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    Man, Covid-19 Just Keeps Getting Worse…

    The time it takes to hit the next million infected is shorter than ever
    by Adam Taggart

    Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 4:28 PM

Sick and tired of this pandemic yet? We sure are.

But sadly, covid-19 increasingly looks like it’s going to be with us for a LONG time to come.

Globally, cases are mounting fast, with the time it takes to hit the next million infected shorter than ever.

And not only are we learning people can contract the virus a second time, it’s looking like a meaningful number of patients can get it even more times than that. And successive infections appear to have symptoms that are every bit as intense as the first.

Even among those who ‘recover’ — even those cases that were asymptomatic — numerous patients display long term organ damage (heart, lungs, kidneys, etc).

Chris walks through the latest findings on each of these worrisome topics, yet also shares the more optimistic data indicating the cheap and widely-available drug Ivermectin makes any important positive difference in reducing the damage covid-19 inflicts.

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  • Wed, Jul 15, 2020 - 4:36pm

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    sofistek

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    Small error in that heart study?

    Chris, when you were presenting the data on that heart study, there was something wrong with the age row. The overall age range lower bound was 52 but the lower bound for the "normal scan" column was 51. They can't both be correct. I hope this was just a typo in the study doc.

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  • Wed, Jul 15, 2020 - 5:09pm

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    Worser? Abnormal scans in mild patients

    In the heart study results, 98 (15%) of the patients with mild symptoms had abnormal heart scans, but that is of the total population.  Of the total patients who were mild, 98/215 (46%) had abnormal scans.

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  • Wed, Jul 15, 2020 - 5:26pm

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    heart scans

    WOW I missed that and read it to be 15% ( of the mild patients had heart abnormalities ) but they accounted for 15% of the study group.    not 15% of mild patients.    basically you are saying half the patients with covid had heart abnormalities .  Period.

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  • Wed, Jul 15, 2020 - 6:27pm

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    Heart Disease and CV-19

    With respect to heart disease herewith, the stats for the USA: Heart disease is the leading cause of death for men, women, and people of most racial and ethnic groups in the United States. One person dies every 37 seconds in the United States from cardiovascular disease. About 647,000 Americans die from heart disease each year—that's 1 in every 4 deaths. Jun 22, 2020. Nearly half (48 percent, 121.5 million in 2016) of all adults in the United States have some type of cardiovascular disease, according to the American Heart Association's Heart and Stroke Statistics -- 2019 Update, published in the Association's journal Circulation. So how many had heart disease before supposedly developing it from having CV-19?

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  • Wed, Jul 15, 2020 - 7:12pm

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    Letter to NEJM about Hydroxychloroquine Ignores Zinc

    A letter to the editor published today in the New England Journal of Medicine discusses the effect of early treatment with Hydroxychloroquine, but entirely omits any mention of zinc.

    Are they living under a rock?

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2023617?query=TOC

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  • Wed, Jul 15, 2020 - 8:02pm

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    Mohammed Mast

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    US Ranks 27th in IQ

    Been saying this for months

    https://www.fastcompany.com/90527258/people-who-social-distance-may-be-more-intelligent-study-says

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  • Wed, Jul 15, 2020 - 10:33pm

    nordicjack

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    MM - that is something or is it?

    I mean , I want to say its shocking.  But it is sort of obvious , those that refuse to social distance are dumbers.

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  • Wed, Jul 15, 2020 - 11:16pm

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    Physical distance, not social distance

    There's efforts being made here (Oz) to replace "social distance" with "physical distance."

    People are hard-wired to be social. Social distancing will harm us; physical distancing should help us. We can connect socially while distancing physically.

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  • Wed, Jul 15, 2020 - 11:54pm

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    Need some better scale in this

    One thing that resonated with me with this "heart abnormalities" study was the use of "mild". They are talking about patients with "mild symptoms which still ended up in the hospital because they couldn't cope with it at home", most likely because they needed oxygen. This is not what a normal person would say is "mild". But to the hospital it's mild because they didn't need ICU treatment. So there really needs to be a better scale for this, like "0 = barely any symptoms", "1 = some symptoms", "2 = most symptoms but still manages to cope at home", "3 = need hospital visit for supplemental oxygen and/or meds", "4 = needs ICU", "5 = induced coma on ventilator".

    Because as I understand this most people never go beyond 2 on that scale and wouldn't count in this heart study. So saying "15% will have heart damage" is a bit alarmist. No?

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 4:07am

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    IQ a measure of stupidity?

    To answer my own question: I do not think so. IQ tests are culturaly biased. The greatest story I ever read was about a tribe in Africa that was unable to grasp the concept of Euclidian geometry, angles within a triangle add up to 180degrees, shortest path between two ponts is a straight line etc.

    Until a researcher noticed that their houses did not contain straight lines but circles. So they tested if the would understand Riemann geometry, a generalization of Euclidian geometry involving curved surfaces. Amazingly they did! So, members of an African tribe, with a low IQ according to Western tests, thought Riemann geometry  a breeze. Typically this is considered a pretty nasty subject by University students.

    I do agree however with MM that it is indicative, imo, indicative for a pretty lousy segregated educational system in a society that is mainly ruled by pecuniary interests,

    Grts, Dave.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 5:03am

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    IQ is culturally conditioned

    Remember the old saying that all IQ tests measure is the ability to pass IQ tests.

    A few decades ago when Europeans were a novelty in Papua New Guinea, various tribes had well-developed arts and crafts but were completely unable to make sense of photographs. They were just fine with 3D but had had no experience of 2D forms and couldn't interpret what they were seeing.

    Stupid? Undeveloped? That's how 19th and early 20th century Europeans tended to categorise "primitive" peoples. The real difference was one of cultural background, not of IQ.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 6:07am

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    Cardiovascular Disease

    With respect to heart disease herewith, the stats for the USA: Heart disease is the leading cause of death for men, women, and people of most racial and ethnic groups in the United States. One person dies every 37 seconds in the United States from cardiovascular disease.

    Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn calls cardiovascular disease a ”toothless paper tiger” that should never exist and if it does, should never progress.

    Another way to look at it is that the “Western Diet,” or “Standard American Diet (SAD)” causes 75% of todays population to die prematurely.  Just as bad, most have diet related health issues for extended periods of time before they die.

    Dr. Greger, on nutritionfacts.org has a video where he correlates 14 of the 15 leading causes of death with the SAD diet.  The only cause of death he doesn’t correlate is accidents.

    Among the health issues that correlate to diet are cardiovascular disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer and auto immune diseases.  

    Cancer, which is 4 times as prevalent in wealthier societies, was the eye opener for me. I had no clue of this a couple of years ago, yet our “war on cancer,” signed into existence by tricky Dick in the 70s, never looks at cancer and nutrition.

    “10% of what you eat keeps you alive.  90% of what you eat keeps your doctor alive.”
    - Old Chinese Proverb

     

     

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 6:16am

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    US IQ

    My recollection is that the US education and health care systems also rank somewhere in the 20s.

    I've been thinking that what we are seeing here is a mass "Darwin Awards" event playing out before our eyes.

     

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 6:38am

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    IVERMECTIN

    Any input / experience on best product or source for this?

    quick searches find many veterinary products available including the “apple flavor” 1.87% paste for Horses.  FWIW Many reviews indicate people have used safely for other conditions..

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 7:01am

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    2 things

    If HCQ is in the control then shouldn't the survival benefit of Ivermectin be additive?  The combination could be a cure.

    Unless I am missing something the echocardiograms were done during during acute treatment of covid. Given the disease process I would expect high PAP.  The important  question is whether the scan improves with recovery.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 8:01am

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    T Cell test for Immunity?

    Hey Chris, Just came across this newly developed test by Oxford Labs in the UK which is designed to measure T-Cell response to Covid-19 even if there is no discernible antibody response.  This test could indicate more instances of folks who 1.  have been exposed to the virus, and 2. may have partial or full immunity based on their T-Cell response, even if the antibody response in many people seems limited.  Anyone have thoughts on this? https://www.technologynetworks.com/diagnostics/blog/measuring-the-t-cell-immune-response-to-covid-19-337174 

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 8:01am

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    musherga said:

    I  buy for my dogs from KV vet supply. Important to note the dose is in micrograms (millionths)  not miligrams (thousandths).  I give 5x the heart worm dosage to treat both heartworm and roundworms off-label per my vet. My point is that it has a wide margin of safety - at least in dogs (except collies).  A standard package is 6.08g of 1.87% in a metered syringe for horses branded Ivomec.

    1.87% = 1.87g/100g = .0187g/1g paste = 18.7 mg/g = 18,700 mcg/g paste

    in a 90kg man the dose is 200mcg x 90kg  = 18000 mcg or about one gram of the paste

    I only offer this in the interest of helping someone communicate their interest in it  with their physician. Pharmacies probably don't stock ivermectin here in the US. They would have to order it from their wholesaler.

    https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2009/050742s026lbl.pdf

     

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 8:19am

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    musherga said:

    I think the pessimism on herd immunity may be misplaced.  People recover without mounting an adaptive response.  Also there are a lot of antibodies besides the igM and igG typically considered as adaptive.  I'm reading papers suggesting that igA may be the mechanism that allows people to fight it off without getting real sick.  The counterargument is that people are reporting that when they get it a second time it is worse than the first.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 8:48am

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    Weekend jump in FL new cases.

    FL new cases Sat. 7-12 were indicated at 15300 close to 5000 above the Fri. number, which seemed anomalous (whatever the reason) weekend numbers are always down from the week.  Early this week it was reported that some FL labs were reporting 100% positive which clearly seems wrong.  Of course there was a chant of see, see they're inflating the results.  (which could be or maybe some fat fingering)  I never saw any followup to what the issue might have been; Nor any attempt at correction.  Color me puzzled?  anyone?

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 9:11am

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    IQ

    Of course IQ tests are culturally biased. That has been understood for decades. The IQ tests administered in the US are culturally biased for US citizens with a + or -. Are they completely accurate ? no obviously . Do they indicate a general level of intelligence? Yes.

    For example Bill Gates has a reported IQ of around 160. Steve Jobs 160 Einstein and Hawking estimated at 160. Psychologists use IQ tests to measure intelligence and cognitive ability. When one calls someone an idiot or a moron one is using a psychological term.

    I posted a study which was in line with my conclusion of long standing that lower intelligence correlates with lack of social distancing. I think this site likes data so I provided data.

    Are there other factors involved with social distancing and mask wearing? Of course only an idiot would not realize that. LOL

    We have gone far afield from the OP so I will bow out on this topic. I have no more to add and don't wish to waste bandwidth.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 9:19am

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    Re-backgrounder: azidothymidine, also called zidovudine,or Retrovir?

    This AZT the same AZT?

    https://www.britannica.com/science/AZT

    https://time.com/4705809/first-aids-drug-azt/

    https://fort-russ.com/amp/2020/04/shedding-light-on-the-dishonorable-record-of-dr-fauci-a-real-mengele/

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 9:38am

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Definition needed

    The term "Recovered " keeps being thrown around. It appears that it means different things to different people. There is evidence that people who are "recovered " are experiencing long term damage which may be permanent.

    Does "recovered" mean you didn't die?

    Does it mean simply you tested negative after testing positive ?

    It seems much emphasis is placed on fatality rates when the issue is much broader than that.

    As an example 31% of children tested in Fl. tested positive. This is out of 54 thousand tests. The rate for positive tests in Fl. is 11%.

    https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-children-coronavirus/33324606

    The definitions are critical when it comes to making policy. Are we willing to risk the long term health of kids by opening schools,  because statistically very few people under 18 die from the virus? So a child tests positive then "recovers" and tests negative. Perhaps the child then has long term or permanent organ damage. Plus the children are putting teachers and other school workers at risk.

    There is a lot we don't know yet. Maybe if we err it should be on the side of caution.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 9:43am

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    interesting article on the origin of the COVID-19 virus

    This organization produces some very good scientific reviews.  They present a plausible, evidence-based hypothesis for the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

    Published on Wed. July 15th in Independent Science News

    A proposed Origin for SARS-CoV-2 and the COVID-19 Pandemic
    by Jonathan Latham, PhD and Allison Wilson, PhD

    A Proposed Origin for SARS-CoV-2 and the COVID-19 Pandemic

    Synopsis: SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for the current pandemic, is in many ways an enigma to virologists. First, the virus enters human cells using a viral spike protein that is a tremendous fit for its human receptor (a protein called ACE2). This close fit allows the virus to spread very efficiently between people but such precision cannot plausibly have arisen by chance. Thus the virus appears to have evolved in the presence of that human receptor. Furthermore, the virus has a region on its spike protein called a furin site. This furin site allows the virus to access multiple cell types, making it able to infect and spread through lungs and other tissue types. The furin site is thus key to making SARS-CoV-2 a powerful pathogen. Since none of the closest known virus relatives of SARS-CoV-2 have a furin site, where did it come from? Third, any virus that recently jumped to humans from bats (or any other species) should undergo a period of rapid adapation to its new host. This is what happened when the coronaviruses SARS and MERS jumped to humans. Yet since the pandemic began, SARS-CoV-2 mutations have arisen but the virus has hardly evolved (in an adaptive sense) at all. Current zoonotic origin theories for SARS-CoV-2 have no satisfactory explanation for any of these evolutionary puzzles. Indeed, recent studies have made natural zoonotic origin hypotheses even less viable. For example, the Chinese CDC has ruled out Wuhan’s live market as the epidemic’s origin.
    In our search for the origins of the pandemic we focussed on the nearest genetic relative of SARS-CoV-2, a bat coronavirus called RaTG13. This virus was obtained during 2012 and 2013 virus collecting trips to a mine where, shortly before, six miners had developed a mystery illness while shoveling bat feces. To learn more, we arranged the translation of a neglected Chinese Master’s thesis that documented the symptoms and hospital treatment of these miners. This thesis contains many surprises. Foremost, the miners were diagnosed as having coronavirus infections, and second, their symptoms are now recognisable as those of classic COVID-19. This and other information in the thesis caused us to rethink everything we thought we knew about the origins of the pandemic. In A Proposed Origin for SARS-CoV-2 and the COVID-19 Pandemic, we set out what we call the Mojiang Miners Passaging hypothesis. The theory proposes (1) that the miners acquired a coronavirus from the bats in the mine and (2) that this bat virus evolved extensively inside their bodies to become a highly human-adapted virus. This evolution occurred during a hospitalisation period that, for some of them, lasted many months. From the thesis we also know that blood and other samples were extracted from the miners and some of these were sent to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). We suggest that these samples contained highly human-adapted viruses and were used at the WIV for research. During this research the virus escaped, initiating the 2019 COVID-19 pandemic.

    As we show, the theory solves the currently mysterious evolutionary and biological features of SARS-CoV-2 as well as explaining its eventual appearance in Wuhan. It also explains subsequent attempts to obscure the deaths of the miners and the Mojiang mine origin of RATG13.

    Read the full article at:

    A Proposed Origin for SARS-CoV-2 and the COVID-19 Pandemic

    The authors are a virologist and a geneticist, respectively.

    Please support our work by sharing this article if you find it of value.

    Yours sincerely

    Jonathan

     

     

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 9:45am

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    Ivermectin: Limitations of one study

    I would like to point out the limitations of the IVERMECTIN study.  It is an suggestion that ivermectin may be helpful, but is not conclusive.  Trying to be realistic about the strength of evidence issue.

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    ICON (Ivermectin in COvid Nineteen) study: Use of Ivermectin is Associated with Lower Mortality in Hospitalized Patients with COVID19

    Juliana Cepelowicz Rajter, Michael Sherman, Naaz Fatteh, Fabio Vogel, Jamie Sacks, 
    Jean-Jacques Rajter

    Background

    Ivermectin has been shown to inhibit the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro. (Leon Caly,  DOI: 10.1016/j.antiviral.2020.104787

    However, pharmacologists at Mass General calculated that the tissue concentrations  of the drug shown to inhibit SC2 were higher than the tissue levels likely to be obtained in humans taking the normal human dose (for parasites).  (I am only reporting their conclusion, not their data or logic.)  So the Mass Gen COVID protocol explicitly says "Don't use Ivermectin for COVID." (explanatory comments have been removed in the 7/1/2020 version)

    • Objective:  lower mortality

    Design and Setting:

    • Retrospective
    • cohort study of  (matching a treated patient with an untreated one)
    • consecutive patients (everyone was included during this time period) hospitalized AT Broward from March 15 - May 11.
    • The decision to treat with ivermectin:  Treatment decisions were at the discretion of the treating physicians*.  [In this kind of study, this is a huge potential source of bias.  In other words, there was NO RANDOMIZATION, and NO EXPLICIT PROTOCOL for who was given the drug and who did not.  This undermines the strength of this evidence greatly.
    • 173 were treated with ivermectin and 107 were not..

    Results:

    • lower mortality in the ivermectin group (25.2% versus 15.0%)
    • Mortality was also lower among 75 patients with severe pulmonary disease treated with ivermectin (38.8% vs 80.7%).  (defined as needing FIO2 > 50%, BiPAP or ventilator)

    Conclusions and Relevance: Ivermectin was associated with lower mortality during treatment of COVID-19, especially in patients who required higher inspired oxygen or ventilatory support.

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    So we have a "study" that is not really a "study" but a retrospective scavenger-hunt through the charts.  Multiple potential bias sources make these conclusions soft.

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    *Biases from treatment "at physician's discretion."

    Hypothetical examples of biases: Dr Bill loves Ivermectin and gives it to everybody while Dr John hates it.  Dr Bill's floor has 2 really sharp respiratory therapists who manage the vents with unusual skill, the air-conditioning works well (unlike Dr John's floor) and Dr Bill gives everyone Vitamin C (unlike Dr John).  Dr Bill sits vented patients up earlier, encourages family contacts and attempts ventilator weaning sooner.  In addition, the ED spots patients that they think would benefit from Ivermectin and SENDS these patients to Dr Bill's floor.

    So the lack of randomization or even a decision protocol allows for many potential sources of bias.

     

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 10:15am

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    Ivermectin in Peru

    Good points SP.  We are in the early stages of this thing. We don't even know how early, so people are looking for whatever works. Double blind, randomized studies take time, they also take money and someone willing to conduct them. Studies are mostly funded by big pharma and governments which are funded by big pharma. lol

    There is no incentive to do a study on something which will not make oodles of moolah. So we are left with anecdotal info from doctors on the front lines trying to save lives. Thus we have doctors like Raoult and Zelenko.

    This article is about Ivermectin in Peru. It is anecdotal but worth a read.

    Ivermectin is cheap and has a very good safety profile. It is worth a try since all the medical establishment has to offer is supportive care. Also it acts as an anti viral so it needs to be administered early to stop cell replication.

    https://www.trialsitenews.com/how-a-grass-roots-health-movement-led-to-acceptance-of-ivermectin-as-a-covid-19-therapy-in-peru/

    Also there is this from Medcram.

    https://www.medcram.com/courses/take/coronavirus-outbreak-symptoms-treatment/lessons/11746529-update-52-ivermectin-treatment-does-covid-19-attack-hemoglobin

    EDIT; This is a new Medcram video on Ivermectin worth the watch. The problem seems to be getting a high enough dosage within the safety profile in vivo. Also it prevents viral replication by binding to the ACE 2 AND the CD147 receptor.

    https://www.medcram.com/courses/take/coronavirus-outbreak-symptoms-treatment/lessons/14578388-update-96-rna-vaccine-ivermectin-von-willebrand-factor-covid-19

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 11:20am

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    Elderberries and Fairy Kings of Lore

    ...In Denmark we come across the old belief that he who stood under an Elder tree on Midsummer Eve would see the King of Fairyland ride by, attended by all his retinue; Folkard, in Plant-Lore, Legends and Lyrics relates:
    'The pith of the branches when cut in round, flat shapes, is dipped in oil, lighted, and then put to float in a glass of water; its light on Christmas Eve is thought to reveal to the owner all the witches and sorcerers in the neighborhoo'

    and again,

    'On Bertha Night (6th January), the devil goes about with special virulence. As a safeguard, persons are recommended to make a magic circle, in the centre of which they should stand, with Elderberries gathered on St. John's night. By doing this, the mystic Fern-seed may be obtained, which possesses the strength of thirty or forty men.'

    The more things change, the more they stay the same. Stand in a magic medical office be injected with fairy vaccine and the Devil will be revealed as a stock manipulator and options trader. Oh Lord, protect us from those who would trespass against us.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 11:23am

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    To answer your question...

    So how many had heart disease before supposedly developing it from having CV-19?

    From the Methods and Results section of the Abstract:

     In those without pre-existing cardiac disease (n = 901), the echocardiogram was abnormal in 46%, and 13% had severe disease.

    This study looked at 1216 patient results.  Therefore, just over 74% had no prior cardiac disease.

    Perhaps one of the Physicians could speak to whether an echocardiogram also indicates whether the heart damage is recent, or if it could have already been in existence and not detected / tested prior to the onset of the Coronavirus.  On the other hand, there seems to be growing evidence of the virus resulting in widespread damage to the body, including the heart.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 11:24am

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    NEW STUDY VIT D and IMMUNITY

    Brand new study just reported and examined on Medcram on Vit D. This is a huge study though not double blind / randomized.  People most at risk of bad outcomes or worst outcome(mortality) have been those with low levels of Vit D.

    It should be noted that dark skinned ethnic groups do not produce large amounts of Vit D from sun exposure. It is estimated that worldwide 40% of people are Vit D deficient. This is true for the US. What is also true is that fructose reduces the bioavailability of Vit D. You can stay in the sun all day and pop Vit D supplements but if you intake large amounts of fructose it won't do you any good.

    It is interesting to note that at the founding of this country the per capita intake of sugar was less than 5# per person per year. It is currently around 200# per year . It is also of interest that the rate of cardiovascular disease, obesity, diabetes etc has been increasing. The US consumes more High Fructose Corn Syrup than any other country. There is good reason to believe there is a high correlation with the worst outcomes from SC2 being in the US and the dietary intake of Fructose. That shit is in everything. Best advice read labels or better eat stuff that doesn't need a label to tell you what is in it. BTW Sucrose (cane sugar is 50% glucose and 50% fructose.

    Personal anecdote; Recent blood work revealed my Vit D level is 95 ng/ml. I avoid the sun due to skin cancer and supplement everyday.

    https://www.medcram.com/courses/take/coronavirus-outbreak-symptoms-treatment/lessons/14601448-update-97-vitamin-d-covid-19-immunity-the-endothelium-deficiencies

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 11:26am

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    New invention to reduce airborne virus particles

    Air Filter Designed to Trap, Heat and Kill the Coronavirus

    https://uh.edu/news-events/stories/july-2020/07142020ren-covid-filter

    Edit - From the article:

    Research team included Texas Center for Superconductivity at University of Houston.  The paper was published in Materials Today Physics.

    The researchers reported that virus tests at the Galveston National Laboratory found 99.8% of the novel SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was killed in a single pass through a filter made from commercially available nickel foam heated to 200 degrees Centigrade, or about 392 degrees Fahrenheit. It also killed 99.9% of the anthrax spores in testing

    The researchers knew the virus can remain in the air for about three hours, meaning a filter that could remove it quickly was a viable plan. With businesses reopening, controlling the spread in air conditioned spaces was urgent.

    And Medistar knew the virus can’t survive temperatures above 70 degrees Centigrade, about 158 degrees Fahrenheit, so the researchers decided to use a heated filter. By making the filter temperature far hotter – about 200 C – they were able to kill the virus almost instantly.

    “This filter could be useful in airports and in airplanes, in office buildings, schools and cruise ships to stop the spread of COVID-19” said Ren, MD Anderson Chair Professor of Physics at UH and co-corresponding author for the paper. Medistar executives are also proposing a desk-top model, capable of purifying the air in an office worker’s immediate surroundings, he said.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 11:33am

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    Good one. We stay in regular contact with the Fairies.

    We have a stone plaque next to our front door that says

    " DON'T PISS OFF THE FAIRIES"

    BTW Just planted 3 elderberries this year. Have been wanting to do it for years. Had to clear some land to have enough room.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 11:59am

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    Heated filter for AC systems

    This is a great idea....should be put in all schools asap. And then in all public spaces and businesses. This could be a game changer.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 12:21pm

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    RandomMike said:

    Strictly anectodal, N of me, I've been taking 10K units D3 a day for several years, sometimes more, not been sick much. However I suspect that when I have taken more, say 30K/day on and off for a week or so I get some sort of a blood sugar problem wherein eating sweets gives me a headache. When I cut way down on the D that goes away. It is a hormone, after all.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 12:44pm

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    A cool simulation tool

    https://theconversation.com/this-simple-model-shows-the-importance-of-wearing-masks-and-social-distancing-140423

    "...My team at the Goldenson Center for Actuarial Research has developed a free, user-friendly computer model with a different goal. It demonstrates how infections and deaths progress daily over a three-month period depending on how people behave in the outbreak. This model allows the public to input data that demonstrate how changes in safety measures in their communities, including wearing face covering and social distancing, can significantly impact the spread of this virus and mortality rates.

    Our Goldenson Center COVID-19 model uses a hypothetical 1,000-person population and calculates outcomes using three types of information: the initial number of infections, social distancing, and personal protection measures that include wearing masks, frequent hand-washing, and staying quarantined if one is exhibiting COVID-19 symptoms. Our model then uses this initial information to project daily the cumulative infections and deaths over a three-month period. It’s not based on actual disease data and is designed to demonstrate the effects of safety measures, rather than make specific predictions. ..."

    Perhaps something that might help shift thinking in those who are resistant to taking proactive measures to reduce virus spread.

    *edited to insert link to original article

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 2:25pm

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    Leading hypothesis of the two PhD-s

    Jonathan,  this is a very well researched study / report.    I will go even further and insert the leading hypothesis they came up with:

    The leading hypothesis is a lab outbreak

    For all these reasons, a lab escape is by far the leading hypothesis to explain the origins of Sars-CoV-2 and the COVID-19 pandemic. The sheer proximity of the WIV and WCDCP labs to the outbreak and the nature of their work represents evidence that can hardly be ignored. The long international history of lab escapes and the biosafety concerns from all directions about the labs in Wuhan greatly strengthen the case. Especially since evidence for the alternative hypothesis, in the form of a link to wild animal exposure or the wildlife trade, remains extremely weak, being based primarily on analogy with SARS one (Bell et al,. 2004Andersen et al., 2020).

    Nevertheless, on April 16th Peter Daszak, who is the President of the EcoHealth Alliance, told Democracy Now! in a lengthy interview that the lab escape thesis was “Pure baloney”. He told listeners:

    “There was no viral isolate in the lab. There was no cultured virus that’s anything related to SARS coronavirus 2. So it’s just not possible.”

    Daszak made very similar claims on CNN’s Sixty Minutes: “There is zero evidence that this virus came out of a lab in China.” Instead, Daszak encouraged viewers to blame “hunting and eating wildlife”.

    Daszak’s certainty is highly problematic on several counts. The closest related known coronaviruses to Sars-CoV-2 are to be found at the WIV so a lot depends on what he means by “related to”. But it is also dishonest in the sense that Daszak must know that culturing in the lab is not the only way that WIV researchers could have caused an outbreak. Third, and this is not Daszak’s fault, the media are asking the right question to the wrong person.

    As alluded to above, Daszak is the named principal investigator on multiple US grants that went to the Shi lab at WIV. He is also a co-author on numerous papers with Zheng-Li Shi, including the 2013 Nature paper announcing the isolation of coronavirus WIV-1 through passaging (Ge et al., 2013). One of his co-authorships is on the collecting paper in which his WIV colleagues placed the four fully functional bat coronaviruses into human cells containing the ACE2 receptor (Hu et al. 2017). That is, Daszak and Shi together are collaborators and co-responsible for most of the published high-risk collecting and experimentation at the WIV.

    An investigation is needed, but who will do it?

    If the Shi lab has anything to hide, it is not only the Chinese Government that will be reluctant to see an impartial investigation proceed. Much of the work was funded by the US taxpayer, channeled there by Peter Daszak and the EcoHealth Alliance. Virtually every credible international organisation that might in principle carry out such an investigation, the WHOthe US CDCthe FAOthe US NIH, including the Gates Foundation, is either an advisor to, or a partner of, the EcoHealth Alliance. If the Sars-CoV-2 outbreak originated from the bat coronavirus work at the WIV then just about every major institution in the global public health community is implicated.

    But to solve many of these questions does not necessarily require an expensive investigation. It would probably be enough to inspect the lab notebooks of WIV researchers. All research scientists keep detailed notes, for intellectual property and other reasons, but especially in BSL-4 labs. As Yuan Zhiming told Nature magazine in an article marking the opening of the facility in Wuhan: “We tell them [staff] the most important thing is that they report what they have or haven’t done.”

    Meticulous lab records plus staff health records and incident reports of accidents and near-accidents are all essential components (or should be) of BSL work. Their main purpose is to enable the tracking of actual incidents. Much speculation could be ended with the public release of that information. But the WIV has not provided it.

    This is puzzling since the Chinese government has a very strong incentive to produce those records. Complete transparency would potentially dispel the gales of blame coming its way; especially on the question of whether Sars-CoV-2 has an engineered or passaged origin. If Zheng-Li Shi and Peter Daszak are correct that nothing similar to Sars-CoV-2 was being studied there, then those notebooks should definitively exonerate the lab from having knowingly made an Actual Pandemic Pathogen.

    Given the simplicity and utility of this step this lack of transparency suggests that there is something to hide. If so, it must be important. But then the question is: What?

    A thorough investigation of the WIV and its bat coronavirus research is an important first step. But the true questions are not the specific mishaps and dissemblings of Drs Shi or Daszak, nor of the WIV, nor even of the Chinese government.

     

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 2:58pm

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    timot78

    There will be no investigation. And if there was by some incredible miracle those notebooks would not show anything remotely related to SC2.

    This is the Kennedy assassination of this generation.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 3:47pm

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    From CDC to HHS... in order to hide the data?

    As of yesterday, hospitals have been directed to no longer report data to the CDC, but instead to the HHS. The fear is that this was a political move by the Trump administration to make data less available, or at least less transparent. This seems like the most reasonable interpretation to me. But time will tell. President Trump has already suggested that if we tested less, there would be fewer known cases, and that he urged officials to slow down the testing. I very much hope that I am wrong and the Trump administration (which controls the HHS more directly through political appointees, rather than the career people at the CDC) doesn't start "massaging the data." Additionally, I really hope there is some kind of national outcry in the US if data is not released fully, transparently and in a timely manner. It is worth noting that so far ignoring reality has not been a winning strategy for us with regards to COVID.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 4:16pm

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    Any Studies on Mask effectivines

    Karl Denninger makes the case that Masks may not help as much as you might think. No Study in decades has ever proved that masks reduce risk of transmission due to interference of microparticles  which normally fall when condensed.  Physics seem to make some sense. How about Face Sheilds?  Karl makes the point that masks are illegal since they have not been clealed by the Beurorats at the FDA for such purpose.

    Any data to clear the Air? https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=239710

     

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 5:35pm

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    Peter Daszak

    Peter Daszak also funded Dr. Shi's research on Chimeric viruses via the EcoHealth Alliance.

    Programs

    Look at the financial disclosures in the 2015 paper

     

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 5:39pm

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    @ Timot78 and Blue marble re: Origins of virus

    All - Be aware that there is a fairly technical forum discussing origins of the virus on this site at "Scientific history of RATG13". Those readers may benefit from cross posting of these kinds of data. The new theory alluded to here has been posted.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 5:48pm

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    T-Cells......Today’s new PP video

    https://youtu.be/FG2q_QcAZG8 

     

    Great discussion on the role T-Cells play in immunity or lack-there-of. My question to Chris is....”does this mean that if we are NOT vaccinated against the common cold and we get it.....and fight it off naturally, that we are more likely to have T-cells that cross over and recognize Covid19?”

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 6:32pm

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    jjohn22 said:

    Hi Chis...great information. I read the Detroit Study on Hydroxychloroquine. If you look at the drug table you will see that the groups that had the best benefit from the drug were also the 2 groups that had much much higher numbers who also got the steroid skewing the results. So was it the steroid or the Hydroxychloroquine that led to the positive benefits observed? More studies are needed to flush that out for sure. H only-- 948 given steroid, H+ azithromycin 582 given steroid, azithromycin alone 57 given steroid and neither drug given steroid 146. Many physicians wonder if the steroid was the reason for the benefit and not the H. Please clarify. Jennie RN-BC, PhD

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 7:05pm

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    @Jjohn re steorids

    Yes, there was a large difference is steroid use between groups. It seems they attempted to control for this confounding factor with their statistical methods.

    https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

    Please look at the statistical analysis section - it seems two analyses were done. Read the section regarding the one-to-one patient match-ups according to a propensity score (page 8 of preprint).

    Then take a look at Table 3 before and after propensity score matching for all the different factors. Looks like they matched 84 patients on steroids in the with and without HCQ.

    Then look at table 4 showing the difference remains significant.

    Caveat: I'm not a statistician, but I have posted on this before asking anyone with expertise to assess whether the statistical analysis employed was adequate to adjust for steroid use.

    If I can find the previous post I shall PM you and give the link. I hope Dr. Martenson is aware of this aspect of the analysis.

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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 10:17pm

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    HCQ Randomized Controlled Trial

    Not looking good.

    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4207

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 12:37am

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    re not looking good

    I know that looks suspicious.  It is a garbage study.  Why?  because I have seen how it works and spoken to drs using it.. AND none say it works like this.   One thing is for sure; this dose is way too high.   It is probably gamed too be high to fail .. The study was funded by private donors.. ( big pharma )      I know for fact there is actually an action that happens in the body with HCQ.  The sicker you are the less the dose needs to be.   Your body actually needs less the sicker you are.   So, I am sure the dose is too high - in fact its twice all other doses used in studies claiming to be effective.. I know it would not seem counter intuitive to use more than needed - and have a poor out-come - but my understanding tells me the more you body is sick the less it needs - the way this drug functions.. AND if I am the powers that be and wanted to make it look bad and I knew this ( which i do ) I would over dose it too.   just saying...  its garbage.. dose is wrong.. throw it out..

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 12:43am

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    regarding move from cdc to hhs for accounting

    I see no reason to move it at this point other than to control and manipulate the numbers and its very stupid political suicide to do this now ( because its blatantly obvious to the whole world )  More of the same corruption.. we worried about china numbers - well worry about US numbers just the same now.

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 4:35am

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    avoiding hospitalization

    With placebo, 10 hospitalizations occurred (2 non–COVID-19–related), including 1 hospitalized death. With hydroxychloroquine, 4 hospitalizations occurred plus 1 nonhospitalized death (P = 0.29).

    I'd pick the "avoid hospitalization" outcome, myself.  What about you?

    [Its ironic that the study makes a point of saying that 2 hospitalizations are "not COVID related", and yet anyone who dies while testing positive for COVID is counted as a "COVID death".  "Protests are encouraged, but lying on the beach = you want to kill grandma."]

     

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 4:51am

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    My understanding...

    The move is to free up the CDC to do medical stuff.

    You have to realize most of DC and the federal workers are working from home.  And with the schools not opening up they won’t be going back in to work anytime soon.  There are probably lots of HHS employees that have finished all their sexual harassment training and have nothing to do.  They could easily input data and make graphs in their pajamas.

    The last thing we want are the few CDC employees that are going into work to be inputing data.  We need them working on solutions.

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 5:38am

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    Economic Impact Might Be Even More Devastating

    What's even scarier is the economic impact of COVID-19 going forward. How are people supposed to pay their bills when their jobs are gone forever. 2021 Might see the full impact of coronavirus and I don't think it's going to be pretty. I came across an estimate of up $2.7 trillion on the global economy (Source). Scary stuff.

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 6:03am

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    If mRNA vaccine available in Jan 2021, will you get it?

    I'm not sure I would. I'm not convinced the safety would have been adequately studied...

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 6:12am

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    Mohammed Mast said:

    Dr. Seheult of Medcram said he would not be first in line.

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 6:19am

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    HCQ Randomized Controlled Trial

    Here is my take after reviewing this study.
    The guys who carried out this study expected to have a 4x larger incidence of hospitalization and death.  They expected to test for differences in hospitalization and death but had to change the valuation parameters to "self reported" improvements in how the subjects felt.  even so the raw data shows that HCQ takers had improved condition compared to placebo, BUT the number of subjects were too low to call that significant.  Dave Fairtex points out that the HCQ takers had less than half the hospital admissions.  Perhaps if the number of subjects were 6000 instead of about 200 per group we might see a significant difference.
    Of most interest is that only less than 25% of the subjects were over 50 years old.  But in that over 50 group the self reported improvement in symptoms was 25% better for the HCQ takers than in the placebo takers.  These data (greatest improvement in the most vulnerable) indicate that virtually everyone in the study did NOT need medical intervention but that for the ones with the weakest immune systems, HCQ seems to have been a real help.  Again, if there had been 10 times as many subjects or if they had all been over 50 or had co-morbidities, it seems reasonable that HCQ could have had a significant measurable effect.

    To me this study does not definitively determine HCQ is not helpful, but hints at the need for greater numbers of people for a proper test and also hints that the HCQ effect is mostly seen in older people who are having a difficult time getting rid of the virus on their own.  The people in this study were young and although many of them were found to have the virus, only about 3% bothered to check into a hospital...............  Come on, there was about one researcher for every 20 subjects and only 220 subjects per group in a continent spanning study, where most subjects are young and virtually no one has to go to the hospital..... Why not limit it further and just include 10 college students in each group who are not sure whether they are really sick? And then use the altered protocol to base conclusions on self reported comments on how everyone is feeling?

    If you want to see an effect from a putative drug, maybe you need to:
    A. test enough people so that you can see statistical differences and
    B. test people who are vulnerable and need medical assistance.

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 6:52am

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    marti61 said:

    my understanding is that african geometry is fractual based, like nature.

     

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 8:29am

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    Hydroxychloroquine

    Another article on Hydroxychloroquine.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hydroxychloroquine-one-chart-you-need-see

    I was just at my doctor's office (non-covid related) and I asked him about what treatments were being administered here in New Jersey for Covid. He said that right now it is anti-coagulents, steroids and remdesivir. He said that the anti-coags and steroids both helped but remdesivir doesn't do much at all.

    This is really sad, there are treatments like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin that show real promise but the word is not getting out.

    He also told me that if it is true that the anti-bodies don't last more than a few months, we are all in deep trouble.

    .

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 8:53am

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    This is very important

    Thank you for this information.  With all the creative minds on the planet, the answers are already here.  This is a working answer right here to helping to open up but in lieu of funding these science inventions and good ideas, the money is being spent to prop up the elite in the market and PPP etc.

    Answers are already here.  I am 100% convinced that the powers that be behind the powers that be.... have no interest at all in helping the peons.  Us.

     

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 9:12am

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    taking moderna vaccine

    No way.  I can't believe they are going ahead with this. If its such a good idea why don't they gather up some pancreatic cancer antigens and see if that works first?

     

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 9:25am

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    Not only are they not interested in we peons...

    ...the global elites are actively working to eradicate us via population control and, for those who survive, to assert control over every aspect of our lives. Of this I am 100% certain.

    June 5, 2020 – The Injection Fraud with James Corbett of the Corbett Report

    https://www.fbcoverup.com/docs/afi/2020-03-16-WEAPONIZED-CORONAVIRUS-IS-AN-ANGLO-AMERICAN-PILGRIMS-SOCIETY-ATTACK-ON-TRADE-COMPETITORS-IN-AMERICA-AND-CHINA-Americans-for-Innvation-Mar-16-2020.pdf

    The KHAZARIAN MAFIA: You Don’t Know, What You Don’t Know!

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=98787

    An excerpt from the last link:

    Why do all of these powerful entities want war?

    Because there’s really no other way out of their unsustainable predicaments.  Only by triggering a full-blown World War III scenario can they continue to exist, and even flourish.  Truly, the New World Order globalist cabal now finds itself in an untenable situation as it grows more desperate by the day.

    The single most unsustainable aspect of their house of cards is the ever-collapsing Global Economic & Financial System (GE&FS).  Who does not recognize this multi-decade racket as a global gambling casino where the house always wins?  When all major institutional investors are forced to play the game to maintain the appearance of a fair marketplace, it was only a matter of time before this massive Pyramid-Ponzi scheme was exposed.

    What is not well known is that the creators of the current Global Economic & Financial System knew that it would come to this.  That the cracks in the pyramid would become too large to hide.  Most importantly, the crushing amount of management necessary to maintain the GE&FS mirage has simply become overwhelming.  The banksters can’t do it anymore and everybody knows it.

    Then there is the rapidly deteriorating state of international affairs (manufactured via incessant false flag operations) that stands as a testament to the ongoing and engineered clash of civilizations.  The domestic affairs of many nations are also in the state of permanent disarray by purposeful design (e.g. Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Palestine, etc.).

    All of these apocalyptic events point to the inevitable demise of the present world empire.  Each one represents a colossal convulsion that reflects an empire in its death throes.  The current Zio-Anglo-American Axis that administers this empire is being exposed mostly by exposing itself.  The whole world is now witness to the outrageous crimes constantly committed by politicos and power-brokers in Washington, D.C., London and Tel Aviv (Paris, too).  Their unrelenting warmongering throughout the Mideast has been especially calamitous.

    I could add so many more links to fabulous, highly credible investigative articles I have read since Covid-19 arrived. I have in fact tried to post comments in the past few weeks links as I come across them. I am continuously stymied by those comments failing to post, for reasons which I am still not clear on. I will be surprised if this comment makes it onto the thread...

    It is a lot of reading but well worth it for those who are trying to pull the bigger picture all together.

    Jan

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 10:01am

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    New MN HCQ trial

    Just looks under powered to me.  4 days is probably too long to wait for truly infected.  The treatment effect size was overestimated relative to the sample. So when you have an under powered study you have to give less credence to the null hypothesis, especially when your sample is diluted by people who don't have the condition being tested.  Eyeballing the charted data shows an obvious treatment effect. Randomness, i.e. assertion of the null hypothesis would have shown up in the error bars and inconsistency of the difference between the 2 groups over time.  Still if there was a big treatment effect like with antibiotics on pneumonia it would have shown up so I call it disappointing.  The high doses are being chosen based on antiviral activity in cell culture. It may not take as much to achieve the immune modulatory effects. And high doses might be counter productive but I doubt it. That would show up in a trial like this.

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 10:32am

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    Oxford Trial Study "Double Protection Against Coronavirus"

    Chris - Love your analysis of various studies. This is one I thought looked promising. Can you please research this and break it down for us? Does this sound legit?

    https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/oxford-vaccine-early-trials-suggest-double-protection-from-coronavirus/

    Thanks and keep up the great work. We are listening! Susannah & Patrick Howard

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 10:35am

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    Censorship

    Google will "ban publishers from using its ad platform next to content that promotes conspiracy theories about Covid-19."

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/google-will-ban-ads-sites-publishing-debunked-coronavirus-theories

     

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 10:58am

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    tbp said:

    @westcoastjan
    I could add so many more links to fabulous, highly credible investigative articles I have read since Covid-19 arrived. I have in fact tried to post comments in the past few weeks links as I come across them. I am continuously stymied by those comments failing to post, for reasons which I am still not clear on. I will be surprised if this comment makes it onto the thread...

    There's a secret blacklist which will filter/eliminate any post you make, even if you're editing a post or even a thread (also eliminating anyone else's posts), if it contains a blacklisted string. This is very much what some of the Big Tech companies like FB are doing. The PeakProsperity team has yet to address the problem, every day that passes turning more and more into PeakCensorship.

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 11:36am

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    FL new cases

    I did find a followup,  reading correctly, the 100% reporting labs were actually only publishing the positive cases (aka 100% positive).  Seems the labs had been instructed to report positive, negative and total.

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 11:40am

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    95 ng/ml Vit.D at what dose?

    @Mohammed Mast
    Personal anecdote; Recent blood work revealed my Vit D level is 95 ng/ml. I avoid the sun due to skin cancer and supplement everyday.

    Wow, that's huge! Are you sure it's 95 ng/ml and not mmol/L? What doses were you supplementing with? What's your melanin level / skin tone?

     

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 11:49am

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    D3 levels

    Tbp........my level has stayed around 90 for the last 10 years... i do a hydroxy-25 blood test every 3 months to check levels ( My doctor put me on  D3 for prostate cancer).. i take about 15,000 iu per day....but everyone is different.

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 12:25pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Jan

    None of this is a secret and hasn't been for decades. Carroll Quigley wrote a book called Tragedy and Hope. You can find it on Amazon for around $30.He was Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown. Btw Clinton was a Rhodes scholar. That should ring a bell. In the book he talks about the elites and their plans. David Rockefeller was quite open about it.

    All of this is not conspiracy theory it is conspiracy fact. At the end of the day however, what are you going to do? They have recruited the best and brightest from the best universities. They have super computers that have run millions of different scenarios. They are 100's of moves ahead on the chessboard. They are out in the open now. They have their bugout "estates" secured. They have their own private security forces, think Eric Prince.

    You know you are here on a site started by one very smart person, Phd, and Mba. Workd for SAIC, VP at Pfizer. In all the years he has been posting has he once ever suggested anything to unseat the elites? That would be a NO. His advice is simply secure your personal assets, buy gold, guns and grow a garden. If he has reached the conclusion that there is no solution only coping mechanisms where does that leave us?

    You are right but as they say in India "kaikaroo". What to do?

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 12:45pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Oh yeah Jan "Let us Pray"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dmIt81JkAg

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 12:47pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Mohammed Mast said:

    I am sure, I am a White wealthy male with a huge portfolio like most everyone here.

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 4:23pm

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    Mommer said:

    At least we have race in common...

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 4:49pm

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    To whom is the Covid-19 data reported? Another interpretation of the switch from the CDC to HHS

    David:

    The administration may be asking that hospitals report Covid-19 data to HHS rather than the CDC because the CDC has screwed up so often and so badly in their response to this pandemic that the CDC has lost the confidence of senior officials in the White House.

    They certainly have lost my confidence. Here is a relevant summary of the CDC screwups.

    https://www.rightcountry.com/peter-navarro-calls-out-dr-anthony-fauci-for-his-coronavirus-missteps/

    I note that this summary omits two other major screw ups:

    1) Their failure to have adequate masks, etc. on hand to meet national needs. This is part of the CDC's core assigned mission and I don't accept their excuses.

    2) Multiple failures to get a reliable virus test kit produced and distributed in quantity--rendering contact tracing impossible. This is also part of the CDC's core mission. They screwed the pooch on the test kits also--in spite of Fauci's saying, essentially  "well, these things happen--nobody was at fault".

    So--I don't trust the CDC to do much of anything correctly--including count cases properly.

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 5:27pm

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    kb3dhn said:

    I get mine from tractor supply

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 6:52pm

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    Replying to This is very important

    Mary – I understand your pessimism.  However my impression is that this project was initiated by, and funded by, the Medistar Corporation, a Real Estate Development company which has a specialty in Medical real estate projects, but also engages in development and financing of non-medical real estate.  The founder and CEO of Medicare has already applied for a patent for this air filter.  Given that there is a pressing need for solutions to the Coronavirus, and presumably there is substantial money to be made by quickly manufacturing these filters for both public and private settings, I see no reason to expect that it won’t happen.  Hopefully, Finance Officers and Facilities managers in charge of buildings where many people must congregate, as well as private individuals (in the case of the personal air filter model) are likely to see a positive in the cost/benefit analysis.  I could be wrong, but I’m not sure the federal government would need to be involved in these decisions, except in the case of government buildings.  Given that the collaborators came up with a successful model within 3 months, let's hope Medistar makes it happen!

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 7:07pm

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    yes, but...

    Mohammed: Not everyone is as aware, or as expert as you purport to be... I am well aware of Chris's credentials and what he has and has/has not said/done here at PP.

    While this is Chris and Adam's site, it is also about information sharing. One of the common refrains/complaints here is that trying to get family, friends and others to buy into the 3Es concepts and resilience is met with A LOT of frustration and resistance to anything outside of the status quo. This is largely related to lack of awareness of how the world really works e.g. not knowing it is the Kasharians not the Kardashians who are running the world.

    In my mind, awareness and understanding are a precedent to taking action. In my experience, awareness among the sheeple of what is really going on behind the scenes is slim to none. So is it any wonder that things are as screwed up as they are, the elites are miles ahead of us, and so few are clued in that moving towards resilience is no longer an option, but rather a survival necessity.

    If I were to buy into what I perceive you are saying in your response, then we should all cease and desist posting any articles or videos that would serve to create greater awareness for all the people who are lagging behind in their awareness of all the esoteric crap that is under the radar. Why should any of us bother to help anyone else understand how to manage this major predicament? Why should Chris & Adam keep producing videos to enlighten and create awareness?

    The cake may be baked but there are still a lot of mitigation strategies to be used & discovered. Few will benefit & get on board if there is no information sharing to help them understand WHY they need to get on board.

    It truly did not have to be this way...

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 7:19pm

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    Clearly you missed my Point

    You are absolutely correct everything you post is spot on. You can make billions aware of the fact that they are being ruled (fatmed) by psychopaths . Then what? Do you not think Chris knows all of this? Do you ever wonder why he never posts solutions and only coping mechanisms?

    My point is there is nothing you can do about it. There is nothing billions can do about it. These people have been doing this for centuries. They own all the resources, they own the military etc. What is your proposal? That is my point. Also my point is yes it had to be this way, it is a plan.

    You can share all you wish. And yes I do know a lot about them.

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2020 - 10:45pm

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    "it had to be this way"

    it had to be this way

    Although Mohammed messed it up by adding "it is a plan", I think he is spot on. Chris keeps saying it didn't have to be this way (at one point he said "it doesn't have to be this way") but I doubt it could have been any other way. There are variations according to whether a country is lucky enough to have some leadership or an iron fist, but this is how humans were always likely to handle such a situation in current circumstances.

    So, hypothetically, it could have been handled differently (and even with minimal disruption to economies) but there was zero chance of that happening, since we're talking about human societies.

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  • Sat, Jul 18, 2020 - 12:43am

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    Dr. Sellins' Analysis of the origin of COVID-19

    In 2013, Zheng-Li Shi, the “bat woman,” and her team from the Wuhan Institute of Virology were asked to investigate the virus profile of a mine shaft in Yunnan Province after six miners contracted pneumonia with symptoms similar to Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

    After sampling the mine shaft for a year, the researchers identified a diverse group of bat coronaviruses, one of which was designated RaBtCoV/4991 (GenBank KP876546) and partially sequenced as a 440-base pair fragment targeting the RNA-dependent RNA polymerase gene (RdRp).

    Despite being  unique enough to be considered a new strain and associated with a human SARS-like outbreak as a Potential Pandemic Pathogen, thereafter, RaBtCoV/4991 disappeared from the scientific literature.

    That is, until 2020.

    The COVID-19 pandemic triggered an intensive search for the origin of the coronavirus responsible, SARS-CoV-2.

    In the February 3, 2020 Nature article, scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, led by Zheng-Li Shi, stated that the coronavirus RaTG13, isolated from bats in Yunnan Province, China, showed a 96.2% sequence identity with SARS-CoV-2 and, therefore, “RaTG13 is the closest relative” forming a distinct lineage from other coronaviruses and supporting China’s claim that SARS-CoV-2 is naturally-occurring.

    A month later, on March 17, 2020, the article “The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2,” widely-cited by scientists and the media, supported the conclusion that RaTG13 is SARS-CoV-2’s closest relative, which likely “jumped” from animals to humans in the Wuhan Seafood Market.

    It is important to note that, Ian Lipkin, one of the authors of “The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2,” the article supporting China’s claim that SARS-CoV-2 is naturally occurring, received a medal from the Chinese government in January, 2020.

    It did not take long for doubts to appear about the validity of the RaTG13 argument or even its existence . We have now learned that RaTG13 existed only on paper. RaTG13 and RaBtCoV/4991 are the same virus.

    The entire RaTG13 genome was first uploaded to the National Institutes of Health GenBank on January 27, 2020 and updated on March 24, 2020. In those filings, there is no mention of RaBtCoV/4991.

    Yet, in a Chinese virus database, dated March 7, 2020 in the source code, RaTG13 and RaBtCoV/4991 are listed as being the same virus. It means that China knew early on that RaTG13 was not a unique coronavirus, but merely a duplicate of RaBtCoV/4991 and kept that important fact secret.

    China has long implied that RaTG13 was only discovered in 2020 after the onset of the pandemic via a search of its coronavirus database.

    That claim was echoed by Peter Daszak, President of the EcoHealth Alliance and long-time collaborator of the Wuhan Institute of Virology:

    “We found the closest relative to the current SARS-CoV-2 in a bat in China in 2013. We sequenced a bit of the genome, and then it went in the freezer; because it didn’t look like SARS.”

    Now comes yet another stunning revelation. It was not in the freezer.

    According to new information, Chinese scientists experimented with RaTG13 during 2017 and 2018.

    The evidence clearly shows that, not only did China lie in a major way about the origin of COVID-19, but that it is, without question, due to a man-made virus.

    China lied, people died.

     

    https://www.wionews.com/opinions-blogs/yet-another-stunning-revelation-about-the-true-origin-of-covid-19-311048

     

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  • Sat, Jul 18, 2020 - 4:23am

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    Prepping may be the Only Path to Revolution

    MM.  You say “In all the years he (Chris) has been posting has he once ever suggested anything to unseat the elites? That would be a NO. His advice is simply secure your personal assets, buy gold, guns and grow a garden. If he has reached the conclusion that there is no solution only coping mechanisms where does that leave us?”

    That leaves us with a fantastic opportunity to get back to nature and cut ties with the failing system, and create a new viable system. That is the revolution. We have abundant resources at our disposal today....the only question is how do we use those precious resources in the short time we have left.

    In a societal collapse the elites may have bunkers and piles of money and hired staff, but they won’t survive. The humble prepper might be the only demographic to come out the other side..........hopefully with a few like minded neighbors.

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  • Sat, Jul 18, 2020 - 6:10am

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    tbp said:

    @Mohammed Mast
    You are absolutely correct everything you post is spot on. You can make billions aware of the fact that they are being ruled (fatmed) by psychopaths . Then what? Do you not think Chris knows all of this? Do you ever wonder why he never posts solutions and only coping mechanisms?

    My point is there is nothing you can do about it. There is nothing billions can do about it. These people have been doing this for centuries. They own all the resources, they own the military etc. What is your proposal? That is my point. Also my point is yes it had to be this way, it is a plan.

    You can share all you wish. And yes I do know a lot about them.

    It's really more the other way around: there is nothing they can do about it. What is "it"? The ascension and anchoring of the Earth's energies into the 5th density, and of those humans who join her into a 4th density Earth experience. The darkness is within you. We wanted to be challenged so we invited the best ones around. They've been around for many thousands (not just hundreds) of years, posing as our gods and even claiming descendance from Atlantis some 12,000 years ago way before the period they tell us is our "history" (but represents more the idea of an alien invasion or pulling of a great yet thin veil over our senses that prevented us from remaining in contact with our ET neighbors as we always had been). Their plans are massively failing, like never before, making them desperate to the point of attempting a timeline hijack via a medical police state. There is nothing they can ultimately do because their service-to-self negatively-polarized frequencies don't resonate (aren't vibrationally compatible) with our ever-increasingly service-to-others positively-polarized 4th density frequencies.

    There isn't just one planet. There are infinite parallel versions of Earth, which you are shifting through every instant (every planck length of time) based on your choices/beliefs/definitions. It's always been, and now more than ever it is, all about YOU. Research metaphysics. Check out Peter Russell, Tom Campbell, Bashar, ... and DMT or otherwise softer 5-HT2A agonists, to open your senses/perception to more of what you are and what's within you (whole densities of experience/reality far beyond physicality).

    Dr. Tom Murasso explains in the simplest of terms what ascension means:

    BTW, just curious, do you know if your vit.D level is 95 ng/ml or mmol/L?

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  • Sat, Jul 18, 2020 - 6:27am

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    The Lies of the Batlady and Daszak, et al.

    Steve:

    China has long implied that RaTG13 was only discovered in 2020 after the onset of the pandemic via a search of its coronavirus database.

    That claim was echoed by Peter Daszak, President of the EcoHealth Alliance and long-time collaborator of the Wuhan Institute of Virology:

    “We found the closest relative to the current SARS-CoV-2 in a bat in China in 2013. We sequenced a bit of the genome, and then it went in the freezer; because it didn’t look like SARS.”

    To believe these weak-as-wet-tissue-paper lies, you'd have to believe the following string.

    1. The Batlady, Daszak, Lipkin, et al were hot on the trail of SARS-like coronaviruses.  Their entire professional careers were organized around finding SARS.
    2. They struck paydirt!  6 miners were stricken by a virus and they sampled one from the very mine shaft they miners worked in that had enormous sequence homology to SARS itself.  This would be 4991.
    3. So, naturally, as the liars would have us believe, they simply stopped looking into this any further, and forgot about it in some lonely freezer.
    4. Instead they fruitlessly explored elsewhere sampling furiously because, you know, that's how motivated, intelligent people go about things.
    5. Later, once SARS2 exploded onto the scene, they then magically uploaded the entire sequence of RaTG13 to the virus database.  Presto! Unfortunately, the rate of non-synonymous mutations, while matching at the macro level, did not track naturally (at all!) at the micro level.  Oops!  Like a building coming down at freefall, it's not always possible to get all the pesky details of an operation right.

    The main difficulty I have is in believing that the very people who were scouring furiously for SARS somehow overlooked the best sample they had, even forgetting to store it in a freezer, and then spent the next 7 years scouring elsewhere.    But then magically had the entire thing sequenced .

    Yeah, right.

    I have to confess; I no longer trust anything coming from any of the virologists, including that paper by Holmes allegedly showing an insert in a (not very) closely related betaC.  Could that be entirely made-up too?  Quite possibly given the desperation of the GOF crew.  At the very least, I'd want to see original samples handed to a second lab for verification.

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  • Sat, Jul 18, 2020 - 6:44am

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    Prepping may be the Only Path to Revolution

    Right on, Olive Oil Man.

    Propaganda Posters: They’re Back! | Propaganda Review

    Every major revolution has come from a new way of using (unlocking) energy.  From the invention of fire, to settlement agriculture, to coal/steam engine-industrial revolution to the oil age our language and relationships have drastically altered due to how we get and use energy.  We are embarking on a new paradigm shift, now.  Preppers are leading the way.  This has always been the case, if you look at development of new technology that changed things.  The history of development in automobiles, the steam engine, radio technology, computers, chemicals etc. the early guys were all do-it-yourselfers.  The do-it-yourselfers in the present context are the preppers.  This is because an entire lifestyle is at stake.  The preppers are the only ones facing the problem and doing something about it by taking matters into their own hands in the grand tradition of adopting basic new technologies/new modalities for living.

    The present "crisis" is an energy crisis.  Those of use who prep well and get energy right will pave the way.  The Elite with their Tokyo's, New Yorks, Londons etc. need us.  We do not need them.  (see the cartoon- I want to modify this to show the guys stepping off the board and walking TOWARDS a DIY work bench and use for a topic page). This is a crucial point to me because I am writing a book on this topic.  I am looking for someone who might read and comment on my short chapters (I have 7 one-page chapters so far) and also am looking for someone to draft simple pictures for each short chapter, as a partner in making the book happen.  My wife is starting a group to translate into Japanese and wants me to publish here.

    This point (your comment) is the most important thing in the world right now. Thanks for mentioning it.

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  • Sat, Jul 18, 2020 - 2:04pm

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    Eventual strategy suggestion

    Assuming that these initial indications of limited immunity are true and that any vaccine will be affective at approximately the same level and timeframe we can still work to make best use of their affectedness within the time frame allowed. If whatever effective vaccines can be produced and scale enough to manage a large percentage of the worlds population eventually we should try to propose agreements for a time structured application to make herd immunity a conceivable achievement.
    When general vaccinations are possible, even when they’re prophylactic viability is limited to a few weeks, coordination of their application to discretionary populations on say, the first of each month could perhaps help minimize transmission within the effective time frames more effectively than if only randomly administered.
    Any epidemiologists know if this has any mathematical truth to it as a strategy? Because given what we know it seems that total worldwide eradication has immense value over the long term.

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  • Sun, Jul 19, 2020 - 6:45pm

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    A personal account of Covid ICU

    https://vimeo.com/437942887

    This lady tells her story at Methodist Hospital in San Antonio where she barely survived Covid.

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  • Thu, Jul 23, 2020 - 7:10am

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    Safe Shelter post COV

    Heating filters to kill air born pathogens with thousands of CFM passing over it is complex and energy-intensive. Think of the Megatons of coal burning.  It would make sense to slow the air down which is a system re-design. Single speed central AC is a disaster in so many ways. Ducted central systems are common since building envelopes suck - bleed calories.  Is this the end of tall buildings post COV?  Now it's clear the future is Ductless.  For Off Grid we use the Fujitsu 12 or 15 RLS.   In the EU there is a move to ban use of compressed gases in buildings. High-temperature combustion for forced air  heat is a problem since it dries out the body's defenses .... the sinus.  So perhaps it's back to water as the medium for heat/cool. https://www.chiltrix.com/FAQ.html

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