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    Transition

    Major Announcement To The Community

    Chris & Adam heading in new, exciting and different directions
    by Chris Martenson

    Saturday, April 3, 2021, 8:22 AM

Finally we can talk openly about ‘the thing’ you’ve all felt and deduced was going on behind the scenes. 

Adam and I started two main business endeavors (1) Peak Prosperity and (2) Greylock (for those unaware, Greylock was the legal vehicle that allowed us to endorse the awesome team over at New Harbor Financial). 

This marks the ending of an amazingly productive, enormously successful partnership between Adam Taggart and myself and the dawn of two revamped and revitalized businesses.    

What this means is that Adam will follow his passion for helping people build and manage their wealth by running Greylock (see Adam’s announcement below) and I’ll be taking over the reins of Peak Prosperity as the sole owner. 

To recount what we’ve managed to accomplish over the past decade+ has been really astonishing.  Literally two guys who poured their hearts, souls and life energy into creating and sustaining this website so that this amazing community could form and, maybe, make the world a better place.

I’d put our output and accomplishments up against any other team out there.  Of course, we had plenty of help along the way with Jason Wiskerchen rock-steady in the background assuring the content got posted and the seminars ran smoothly.  We’ve had moderators and volunteers and all of the Daily Digest contributions over the years. 

My Mission Comes First

I am a natural-born information scout.  I love ferreting out what’s really happening and then using my gifts as a communicator and dot-connector to help people understand complicated issues in real-time. 

I managed to sleuth out the truth behind the “gone walk about” nuclear cores of the Fukushima reactors within 72 hours.  It took the world 2 years to finally catch up to that insight and publicly admit what some good old-fashioned common sense and critical thinking had been able to reveal in a matter of days.  This allowed my readers to plan and react far faster than the general public.

Covid during 2020 was another fast-breaking situation that required every bit of my attention (and then some).  I proudly stand behind not only the speed of what I learned and shared widely, but its accuracy.  People were able to take protective measures and I have hundreds of comments and emails attesting to the fact that this reporting saved lives, and provided emotional comfort to, well, millions probably.  Frankly, it might be years before the rest of our culture catches up with the knowledge most here possess. 

Along the way I’ve matured and grown.  I now see the world differently.  Recent events have taught me just how important my role in the world really is, and I feel that responsibility more fully than before.

By way of example, I created the Crash Course in 2008 because it didn’t exist.  I’m proud of all that the Crash Course has accomplished – without it Peak Prosperity would never have come into being – and while it represents some of the best work of my life (so far), if it didn’t already exist I would not invest the time to create the Crash Course today. 

Why not?  Because the world has changed and I don’t think it would be even slightly receptive to that material now.  The Crash Course had a huge impact in 2008.  My assessment is that today it would fall flat and gain little traction.  The programming against critical thinking and independent thought is too pervasive and successful.  In brief, from my perspective, the world has gone a bit mad.  It’s lost its grip on reality.

It’s in these moments of cultural madness that a site like Peak Prosperity and its community really shine.  It has become, for many, a beacon of hope where logic, actual science, reason, compassion and a heart-centered life still matter.

It’s been my distinct honor to ‘hold center’ for this community, which I will continue to do to the very best of my abilities.  More than that, I am excited to work with everyone here to craft Peak Prosperity into an even better, stronger, more valuable place to gather, share, be curious, learn and grow.

What Just Happened

In order to decide if your will continue to place your trust in this site going forward, you deserve the truth and sufficient context, so here it is.

Adam and I were approached in 2019 by potential partners (a.k.a. ‘the investors’) at a time when we were both working the same long hours but watching our business slowly dwindle.  In the prior few years we watched many of our peers and on-line colleagues burn out and drop away as the endless financial repression (i.e. interest rates down, gold down, stocks up, reality nowhere to be found) continued to grind on and on and on.

The good news was at least we were still afloat!  But we felt in need of a path that would allow us to navigate and survive a world that was increasingly more interested in telling itself fairy tales than confronting its many predicaments. 

So we listened and wrestled with the deal before us.  The intentions were good.  They had powerful back-office and marketing functions and a large database of potential new minds to engage, and we had content. 

I wanted to reach more people and Adam needed help managing the day-to-day aspects of our business.  It seemed that a strategic partnership could offer both of us what we wanted. 

All parties signed a term sheet on December 26th, 2019.   There was much rejoicing. 

/Cue ominous music/

On January 23rd, 2020 my first coronavirus alert went out.   None of us really knew at that time just how much the world had fully altered the terms of our deal. I immediately began producing all-consuming coronavirus content on a daily basis. 

The final offer documents were signed May 20th, 2020 which had a trial period that ended on November 15th, 2020.  As a point, no money exchanged hands – the value of the deal to Adam and I was going to be entirely based on the future expansion.  Our existing income became the baseline, everything between us was going to be a spit of future growth.  We did not “sell out,” instead we were banking on what could all do together.

But Covid-19 had other plans.  As was true for everybody to some extent, our worlds simply tilted.  Things that were important before were no longer important.  Things we never dreamt would become priorities suddenly were front and center.  New business risks and new opportunities emerged. 

My Covid-19 reporting morphed into a very real business risk on December 8th, 2020 when I had a video censored by YouTube.  We got a dreaded strike.  Our appeal went unanswered.   Neither Adam nor I could post anything to our PP channel for 7 days.   A second strike would result in a two-week ban.  A third would see the entire Peak Prosperity YouTube channel terminated.  As we wrestled with this the election drama was unfolding and suddenly Big Tech took the censorship gloves off and became a legitimate business threat. 

None of us knew where the boundaries lay.  Some channels were able to mention certain words and ideas while others weren’t.  Still to this day there’s no predictability to any of it. 

Suddenly, and understandably, my focus on Covid was viewed as an existential business risk to our new owners.  What would happen if I/we received a second strike?  How about a third where the entire subscriber list and all of our Peak Prosperity content would simply evaporate into the air?  What might happen to their other related content channels, would they be dragged down too by association? What would happen if someone took a medicine thinking I had advised that and decided to sue? 

Let me be clear – these are all legitimate concerns.  However, they also represent risks I am personally willing to take.  It took a bit of time to sort out these core issues.  I had to think carefully and deeply about what I valued most.  I’ve worked my butt off for over a decade and, by far, the most financially successful path for me to take here would have been to mold my reporting around these realities.

I chose a different path.  Adam was interested in going in a different direction for his own reasons.  It was a difficult decision to make as I also had to consider Evie’s future, my kids, this farm project and the one across the street, and the life impact of taking on a very big project – sole control of this site – all of a sudden. 

Given the complexity of breaking things back apart, with GBI having one set of interests, Adam a second, and myself a third, many options were explored.  A buyout of my interests in both companies was explored, each of us retaining partial interests post split, and a clean split with Adam and Greylock going one way and myself and Peak Prosperity headed another.  

In the end, the decision was not that hard, and the outcome was always the same for me; I value this community and my intellectual and editorial freedom.  Having a clean break was the only way that finally made sense. I simply have to be free to be and say whatever I wish.  Yes, having principles is an expensive habit.  Luckily money is not the most important thing to me, not even close.  As part of that agreement, Adam will continue to post his content here for a number of months.

I intend to spend the rest of my productive days being exactly the same sort of curious, open-minded individual that I’ve always been.  It’s in my DNA.  I have a strong sense of mission and purpose, and I have to be true to that.  We all have a birthday and a date of death – it’s what you do with the dash between those two dates that matters.  Maturity has also infused me with a strong desire to spend time with others who share and value those qualities. 

It took some time for all of us to figure out exactly where we settled on the matter.  It was, and remains, a complicated affair.  Lawyers got involved, negotiations slowed down.  That’s just how things unfolded.  I’m sorry it all took longer than any of us would like, but that’s how  it went.

But now we have light at the end of the tunnel.  I, Chris Martenson, am going to have sole control over Peak Prosperity.  I hope you will consider remaining a part of this community and helping to make it both larger and stronger. 

TL:DR We all had good intentions, reality had other plans.  I took us a while to sort things out.  All’s well that ends well.

The Bright Future of Peak Prosperity

Peak Prosperity is going to thrive in the years to come.  I have a strong sense of direction and a good working outline of what sorts of content and structure will help achieve that.  I’m excited and have been working behind the scenes with several long-time members to explore these ideas in depth.  Either we’re all crazy or we’re onto something really good. 

The recent forum threads where people expressed the reasons that they personally valued Peak Prosperity truly moved me.  Incredibly fulfilling and validating.  I read every comment on the site and have saved dozens and dozens of them in a word doc as guidance for thinking about the future of Peak Prosperity.

Now is not the time to go into all of that in detail, that time will come in the near future. 

But here’s a hint – I despise being tracked by Big Tech.  Perhaps you do as well.  I’m going to make another money-dumb, principles-based decision and eliminate any and all advertising that has any sort of tracking built in.  You’re welcome. 

I also plan to make the site far more user friendly and simpler to navigate.  As always, this will all be going on behind the scenes and most of you won’t even be aware of the activity until it is released.  I’m already working with a web dev team to begin the process.  I’ll be seeking a lot of input from this community.

Also, I’ll be hiring to help run and improve operations and my fervent hope is that the perfect candidate(s) are reading this now.  Those announcements/job postings will come very soon.

TL:DR – I listen carefully to what you like and don’t like about the site.   With your help we can improve this site and strengthen its community.

Thank you for all your patience and expressions of concern, care and even love for this community. 

Your faithful information scout,

Chris Martenson, PhD

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Adam’s Announcement: The Launch of Wealthion

Boy, does it feel good to finally have this situation resolved and be able to talk openly!

It’s been so very hard to be restricted in what I could say publicly while we resolved things, especially while (pardon my french) working my ass off daily to keep the site running and producing content over the past 3 months while everyone was working things out in the background.

I’m extremely grateful for the PP tribe’s tolerance, loyalty and support as we’ve done our best to navigate a really tricky and sensitive time. I know not every decision we made in handling this pleased everyone, but please trust that we did our absolute best given the conditions.

And, like Chris, I’m very pleased where things netted out. 

As Chris said above, we’re spinning off the financial resilience side of our business, which I’ll be running full-time. 

Most of you are well-familiar with my many articles on money & the markets as well as my weekly interviews with highly-respected investing experts like Jim Grant, Stephanie Pomboy, Luke Gromen, Grant Williams, Jim Rogers, Ron Paul, Danielle DiMartino Booth… and sooo many others.

I’ll be building on that platform to deliver even more frequent insights from this expanding brain trust of experts. To help inform and educate folks about the challenges & opportunities facing those looking to protect and grow their financial wealth. And to connect them with like-minded, trustworthy independent financial professionals (like our long time friends at New Harbor Financial) who can make those insights actionable.

This has long been one of the most frequent and loudly-voiced needs by those who find their way to Peak Prosperity. And the customer demand from this side of the business has been growing steadily for years.

Given its growth and importance to the livelihoods of the people we have reached and referred to our partners, it deserves a full-time CEO. I’ve been eager to step into that role for some time now. 

Why?

  • Relevance: Nearly every expert I bring on my weekly interview series says this is the “most treacherous time” for investors they’ve ever seen in their careers. Close monitoring of both the macro environment and the dynamics playing out weekly in the markets, as well as intelligent actionable insights are now needed more than ever at this moment in history.
  • Impact: Be it hedging against risk of a market crash, defending against dollar debasement/stagnant wages/rising cost of living, understanding emerging new investments classes like cryptocurrencies — the steps we take today can have massive implications on our ability to become financially free or not in the future. 
  • Scale: Financial Capital is the ‘gateway drug’ to the other 8 Forms of Capital we use to define as ‘true wealth’ here at Peak Prosperity. Because practically everyone cares about their money, I have the opportunity to engage much larger, more mainstream audiences for whom resilience is not currently on their radar, and shift them to start caring about it — putting millions more into lifeboats and adding their energy to the larger mission promoted here at PP.com.

As we spin it out from Peak Prosperity, we’re branding this new company Wealthion.

There are some immediate opportunities ahead to expand and uplevel the business that I’m chomping at the bit to finally be able to execute on — though being fully transparent, I’ve got the same jitters as every entrepreneur launching a new venture. 

So I’m really hoping I can count on your help to get Wealthion launched as successfully as possible.  

And I have the following (easy) asks of you:

  1. Subscribe to the brand-new Wealthion YouTube channel by going to youtube.com/wealthion  — my weekly Money & Markets interviews will be moving over to that channel in just a few short weeks. Subscribing will make sure you don’t miss any going forward.  And once we cross 3,000 subscribers, YouTube will take the channel a lot more seriously in terms of promoting its videos. So we really appreciate you taking a second to click the subscribe and alert buttons here.
  2. Send me your feedback — what experts/topics would you most like to see featured? The best ways to contact me are either via email at [email protected] or on twitter @menlobear.

This is one of those major life milestone moments for me, where as Yogi Berra advised, life presents you with a fork in the road and you take it.

Co-founding Peak Prosperity has been hands-down the professional highlight of my life to-date. Alongside Chris, I have poured my heart and soul into birthing, nurturing and operating it for more than a decade. 

Releasing my hands from the wheel is hard. But I know how excited Chris is for the new direction in which he plans to take the site, and I can’t wait to see that vision unfold — just as I know he’s cheering me on in realizing Wealthion’s full potential.

This isn’t good-bye. I’ll still be on Peak Prosperity —  I’ll continue posting for a number of months as I transition, and you’ll see me in the site comments and at June’s event at Joel Salatin’s Polyface Farm.

Oh, and speaking of the comments: as a parting gift, I’ll shortly be launching threaded comments on the site. It’s something we’ve been wanting to do for ages and should make user replies MUCH easier to follow now. 

Here’s a preview:

We live at one of the most uncertain yet fascinating times in history. Our efforts today will not only determine our own individual destinies, but we have the opportunity to be guides for the rest of humanity.

As Chris and I both re-position to make the biggest impacts we can, I want to thank you all again for your past, current & future support of the important movement we all at this site are caretakers of. 

It’s the privilege of a lifetime to play a role in this story. And I couldn’t be more excited at what we’ll accomplish from here.

Your prudent wealth steward,

Adam Taggart

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377 Comments

  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 8:34am

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    Canuck21

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    Congratulations and best wishes to you both

    Congratulations and best wishes to you both. I look forward to following you both on your new paths.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 8:35am

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    alanrgreenland

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    Congratulations and Good Luck!

     

    Thanks for the explanation.  I want to wish you both the best of luck going forward.  I, for one, will continue to be a Peak Prosperity subscriber.  And I will subscribe the the new "Wealthion" YouTube channel, as well.  I look forward to continuing to gain insight from both Chris and Adam, as well as the many other members of this community.

    -- ARG

     

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 8:43am

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    Chuck in Belize

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    Awesome.

    Thanks, guys.
    Both of you.

    It all finally makes sense, and I'm glad our long waiting is over.
    I look forward to seeing this unfold!

    --Chuck

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 8:58am

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    coh

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    coh said:

    Thanks for the explanation and I'm glad the two of  you were able to resolve this to your satisfaction.

    I'm relatively new here and will be watching closely to see how things evolve now that Chris is "back in the saddle." I'd like to see an effort for the site to be more inclusive and tolerant of opinions that differ from what has become the accepted party line here. Less groupthink and confirmation bias. Chris as a PhD should be aware of the problems that have developed here, but if that is the way he rolls now...count me out.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 9:01am

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    nickythec

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    Congratulations Chris and Adam.

    Thanks for the update.   The last few months felt like an eternity out here in the cheap seats, so I can only imagine how it felt to the two of you.  As seems to always be the case, information vacuums tend to lead to unsavory speculations, which I admit, I am not immune to.   Thank you for sharing the story.  I will absolutely continue to subscribe to Peak Prosperity as I can't wait for Chris to get back to his information scout role.   I will also subscribe to Adam's new YouTube Channel  in hopes that it helps get your efforts off the ground.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 9:05am

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    Julie K

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    Thankful

    From the moment I learned of the crash course, my internal lightbulb went off. I am from (and still in) one of the poorest socioeconomic classes in the United States.  With the magic of the internet and the content from both cofounders, I have found myself constantly "out of my league" and "ahead of the curve" when interacting with others that do not follow Peak Prosperity.
    Because of this immensely impactful and actionable information; myself, my son and his father are on a quest to buy land and live small. We want to cover our own needs and network with others already doing it.  Peak Prosperity quite literally saved our lives.
    I am so happy to know that we will still be able to hear from both cofounders in whatever way suits best. We would follow any direction deemed fit as your value is completely undervalued in today's world.
    With all of my heart, thank you for taking such a huge risk to educate us that would never know any better.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 9:07am

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    bogotababy

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    Congratulations to both of you !!!!

    I missed you, Chris      Learned a lot with you

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 9:08am

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    dreinmund

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    dreinmund said:

    Fantastic outcome.

    Thank you, Chris and Adam, for resolving this in a manner that keeps the PP community intact, while still allowing two paths forward.
    I will continue to follow both.

    Keep up the good work.

    Chris,

    I know that funding might be an issue, especially when advertising goes down.

    In addition to membership fees, let’s explore ways how the community can support, both financially and with time / skills, to make sure PP remains a viable business.

    E.g. what if voluntary contributions from members were used to give away “scholarships” (reduced membership fees) for those that can’t afford the full amount ?

     

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 9:20am

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    roosterrancher

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    May your separate paths be blessed!

    Sign me up! I'll follow you both into your bright futures.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 9:34am

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    britmi

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    Congratulations to you Both

    Thanks for providing a detailed update.   It is much appreciated.   Yes times have changed for everyone and what was or seemed the right thing to do a year plus ago doesn't seem like the right thing to do today.  Life has changed!  The world has changed!

    Looking forward to following both of your new paths in the future.   As you said, it is exciting and a bit scary at the same time.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 9:36am

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    Jerryqueen

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    Thank you, both!

    I've been a follower of Peak Prosperity for over a decade and have come to appreciate all that you both bring to us as listeners.  Times like these truly helps shape convictions and it is clear that both of you know more about what direction drives you...and you're taking action to keep you on your individual paths.  I have no doubt that you'll both continue to support the two separate missions.  Thank you for your persistence through these difficult times.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 9:39am

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    brushhog

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    Glad you're back in charge Chris

    I hope to come along and see the site really blossom under your leadership. I still dont understand how a guy with your background and intellect could get involved with such people. The resumes on those characters are what you'd expect to see on the VIP list of an 'eyes wide shut' party at the Clinton mansion.

    I'll chock it up to human error and reckon that your contributions, wisdom, and insights over the years more than make up for it.

    PS in the future, if you make any arrangements with George Soros, the CCP, The Clintons, the CIA, KGB, Satan [ or any of his minions ] that involves PP, please be kind enough to let the readership know.

    Thanks,
    B

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 9:45am

    VTGothic

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    lol

    you're a funny guy, Brushhog! Thanks for the chuckle.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 9:54am

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    KugsCheese

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    GBI?

    Is GBI part owner of Wealthion?

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 9:55am

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    davefairtex

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    and there was great rejoicing

    I'm very happy to hear that things have been resolved amicably with The Investors.

    Very, very, very happy.

    I look forward to what both Adam and Chris will create.

    Ever since the start of the pandemic, there really hasn't been a dull moment.  We are living through a truly remarkable time in history.  In the future, books will be written.  But we are here, living through it, and having to sort it out in real time.

    I'm especially happy Chris will be operational once again.  I'm just guessing he's been...chomping at the bit.  How many youtube videos has he shot?  How many posts are queued up?

    I can't wait to find out.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 10:06am

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    sand_puppy

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    Let us know when DaveF is back on board!

    A trusted and valued member of the truth telling squad who never shirks controversy.

    Would love to see he has a niche here at PP as well.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 10:12am

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    Mike from Jersey

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    I feel sad that Adam and Chris are going in different directions.

    I don't personally know either one of them but they both seem to be "genuinely good guys."

    It is a dilemma for me.

    Adam's podcasts focus mainly on economic/financial issues. The podcasts have been of very high quality.

    But I have come to the conclusion that - as Charles Hugh Smith says - "this baby's going down." I don't think any amount of "hedging" at this point is going to prevent massive systemic losses. 

    Chris - on the other hand - does a lot of homesteading articles. If I were younger and in better health, I would probably do that myself. But it is simply not a possible option for me at this point in my life. 

    My initial gut feel is to renew my subscription to Peak Prosperity and wait and see what Adam's site looks like. 

    As far as suggestions for the Peak Prosperty site is concerned, I have two.

    One. Fix the personal message mailbox. It is horrible. It is very difficult to find a prior PM. Also, clicking on options often do not work at all (at least with my Safari browser).

    Two. Please do something about spam posts. Threads are started which are clearly commerical come ons. Recently more and more posts are made to legitimate ongoing discussions. These posts purport to be responsive to the ongoing dialogue but really are just made to post links to commercial sites. It is really annoying. I would volunteer time to delete spam posts to help put an end to this. 

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 10:31am

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    pcm

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    Congratulations and Thank You

    Chris, Adam,

    First and foremost, a big "Thank You" for everything you have done for the PP community.

    Chris - I missed your "information scouting" and really missed your COVID updates.

    Adam - Thank you for all the efforts in bringing all the industry experts and advisors to keep us abreast of the latest financial market and condition.

    You captured well.  I look forward to seeing both the new endeavor of "Wealthion" as well as the new Peak Prosperity platform and together I hope we will bring the community to the next level of success!

    Happy Easter!

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 10:50am

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    roosterrancher

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    My humor, apologies in advance.....

    Who gets custody of Dave?

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 10:50am

    omavic

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    A big thank you for your collaboration and shared work and support for each of your paths!

    I know change is hard to accept, especially in this fast changing world but if I learned anything from you two is that you both give your best and you each have your own gifts and I have learned so much! It was your collaboration that created the magic and truly helped me believe in your work. I do understand the issues that you were faced with and the missions that each of you choose to lead and the choices you are compelled to make. Thanks for all you have given me, from here on out I will follow you both.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 11:06am

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    Montana Native

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    The universe has realigned

    Well hell, such a relief to read this piece this morning. When Adam mentioned yesterday this could be resolved within a day it seemed a little far fetched. Now he says he's going to have threaded comments too....props! Like others, I am also sad to see the split up here, but it is understandable. I am particularly excited about a streamline of the site here to keep things a little more condensed and focused. Lets be honest, the amount of content to keep up with has increased a lot over the years. Perhaps exponentially.....

    As far as the focus of Peak Prosperity moving forward it seems like it will mainly be where Chris steers the ship. I know the reasons many on the site show up varies greatly. I do also believe that as Chris mentioned a masterwork like the Crash Course wouldn't be well accepted at this point and time. One thing the Cerveza sickness time period has taught me is people like to be told what to do and think......mainstream ideas are safe! It was one year ago today that the CDC finally recommended masks for corona. What a joke.....and now they recommend two masks and their ilk want to have a vaccine passport. All the while one could focus on diet and preventative measures that basically inoculate one from serious damage.

    As a starting point for guiding the new site I'd ask Chris to post links to all interviews he does outside of PP. I really wished I would have listened to his interview early in the pandemic with Eric Townsend at Macro Voices. At the time I was convinced that the market would crash and simply holding a 3x short VIX or other plan would have been like Bitcoin on steroids. Which brings me to the particulars of content moving forward. I feel many here lean more towards the homesteading path while others view wealth creation as their main goal. Furthermore, many like analysis of current events that may diverge from the status quo. For me it's a balance.....a balance I hope Chris maintains the way it was in the old days.

    Although there is a split here, it feels like we are getting the band back together. I so dearly hope and pray (I'm not even religious) that Dave F returns. Hopefully we'll see some open minded guests like Jake Ducey, George Gammon, or Qouth the Raven in the coming months. I think the future is bright for us as a community notwithstanding what is happening out there in the fake world. I'll be checking out Wealthion too! Nice....you scored Jim Grant and Jim Rogers.
    Cheers, TJ

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 11:14am

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    Huge good luck wishes from Sweden!

    2020 you both made sense when this worlds leaderships just fall short everywhere.

    So much thoughts and just the facts facts and facts you share. It made sense and helped.

    Only place that actually looked at science every time.

    I wish you both all the best and will always come over to look what you come up with.

    Trust is earned and you guys stayed true all the way. Huge respect!

    Regards Mikael Bogren

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 11:15am

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    drbost

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    drbost said:

    Chris, Adam -

    So glad to know about the changing conditions and visions and your navigation of them.  And that the paths forward are are exciting to both of you.  I hope that you can continue as friends and collaborators, and that your independent efforts are mutually enriching and even more beneficial to the community that has developed and grown with your guidance and inspiration!  Your information and energy will continue to be important to my family's resilience and to the growth and development of our local neighborhood.  Thanks for sharing!

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 11:50am

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    The Carlyle Group

    I would add The Carlyle Group to your list...

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 11:54am

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    Thank you Chris and Adam!

    How fitting that the rebirth of your respective new efforts is ready to announce on Easter weekend.  While not attempting to promote any religion, I will say that we are in the midst of an information and spiritual war, and we need both of you healthy, productive, and freed of constraints in order to get through it as best we can as a tribe.

    We have work to do.  Susan7 felt so moved that she had Ivermectin bumper stickers made to help awaken folks - is that awesome or what?  Forward motion!  Row!  Row! Row!

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 11:54am

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    New Zealand calling

    Good morning Adam and Chris

    Great! PP has been a looked forward to and key piece of my information gathering for a long time. Groups like 'theautomaticearth' and 'ourfiniteworld' and others of the opposite political view also.

    I would love you to be able to provide transcripts of your interviews?

    If there is something an overseas person could do of use to you (I am part of a couple of interesting projects over here developing models for the future ...) I could probably find time to do so.

    Appreciate your work fully. good skill and good luck where needed.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 11:55am

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    It sounds like a great outcome

    Hi Chris and Adam! Happy for you both. And Adam? We subscribed to your new YouTube channel as requested and my husband went for the free consultation.

    Chris, I'd planned on coming back to being a much more regular participant a few months ago, but could see things were in a holding pattern (which makes sense now, thanks to this post.) I'll be seeing more of everyone on the site.  What can I say? I've been busy going from ill to healthy, but I've missed everyone. Just look at me now.!

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 11:58am

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    Taking a deep breath....

    ...and exhaling.  Great news, for both of you, congratulations!  Relieved to have you back Dr. Chris!  Am champing at the bit to hear your take on the "vaccines" and Universal Surveillance Units, I mean "Freedom Passports".  (Naomi Wolf has a few piquant observations about the latter...)

    May Fortune attend PP and Wealthion, and attend upon us all!

    VIVA -- Sager

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 12:15pm

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    PNW-J

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    Thank You Both

    I have re-activated my subscription here on PP, and subscribed to Wealthion!

    Thank you both for your work that has brightened our world.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 12:22pm

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    penciling

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    Excellent division. More like a divided highway than an agonizing fork in the road.

    Excellent paths to different concentrations! At 76, I've made and implemented almost all of my financial decisions and now concentrate on shorter-term family and personal matters, including 'daily' decisions and actions. One aspect I'll miss is Adam's kindly, even, good-humored personality. One aspect I'll value is a concentration on facts and "to do" suggestions. Best wishes to you, whom I've basically counted as friends and counselors. I'm excited for both of you!

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 12:32pm

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    Kate

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    What a relief! So glad you will be back in action!

    Could not believe how much I missed your scouting overviews of key issues we are all grappling with.  Forced me to explore other sites, but I have not found any other site that sifts through so much real data and presents clear analysis and overviews that clear the fog.  Good luck with your next steps, including getting the farm up and running for spring.  Can't wait to hear.

    And to hear your view of where we are now with this COVID thing.  My husband got the first shot yesterday, and I went along on the 1 hour one way drive with him, to the county fairgrounds, to be able to drive him home if he felt crappy.  Luckily did not need to, but it was eye opening to see hundreds of cars descending on the fairgrounds, all certain that the vaccine is for them.  (I will never get the shot, myself.)  Unfortunately, the staff didn't hand out the paperwork until each of us drove away.  It stated that the vaccine may not prevent COVID, hospitalization or death, and may not prevent passing it on.  And that taking the shot is voluntary and essentially without recourse in case of a perceived adverse reaction.  Seems like they should have handed that out as we sat waiting in a half mile long line, to move on.   Lots to talk about.   Take care, Kate

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 12:46pm

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    Netlej

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    Hip Hip

    Chris - So glad for this transition. I for one believe that it was the best thing that could have happened. No offence to Adam and I wish him great fortune.

    I don't know if it is considered tacky but how about a tip jar? There are times when Chris hits it out of the park and really want to act right then.

    Cheers!

    jef

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 12:57pm

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    Blood red peony

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    Many thanks Adam and Chris for all your work so far.

    I discovered the Crash Course shortly after it came out, it helped me to form a plan for crashing myself out of the system as much as possible and spending quality time growing my own food rather than being a wage slave. I'm so glad to hear that I will be able to continue reading/watching valuable information from you going into an uncertain future.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 1:06pm

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    LL Damour

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    Bon retour dans la tribu PP Chris!!

    Whew! Great News! I was really missing Chris' take on events.
    I re-enrolled (under a different moniker) now that I know 'the Investors' (whomever they were) are out of the picture and that Chris will be free to speak his mind.

    Bon retour dans la tribu!

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 1:13pm

    #35
    whoknew79

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    Questions

    I still have questions.

    Who were the investors? You never really told us.

    What is their business model?

    How does their role inform us regular people about the markets that they are in?

    What other popular websites have financial agreements with the investors?

    Have you signed a nondisclosure agreement associated with the investors? Or between the two of you?

    Who pulled the trigger to censor Dave's original post? Why?

    Why not tell us about this agreement back in late 2019 or 2020?

    I still don't understand fully why Chris went silent. Why did Chris go silent?

    If you could jump back to early February, would you have handled the situation differently?

    Are there ANY other partnerships or financial relationships that aren't public?

    Will Adam continue a financial relationship with the investors?

    What is the purpose of the other LLCs associated with Peak Prosperity? I think several have been around for quite some time.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 1:18pm

    #36

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    Welcome back

    Welcome back to where you once belonged Dr. M

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 1:28pm

    #37
    robie robinson

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    Welcome Back!

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 2:09pm

    #38
    VuDeja

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    Congrats to both of you!

    I'm excited to see where this goes for both of you gentlemen.  It's been a pleasure to follow both of you during your journey and honestly,  this really makes a lot of sense.  Beginning with COVID, it became more clear the content was diverging.

    I completely support Chris in his search for the truth, but, it's clear those in power don't like the truth being uncovered.  At the same time, I always tune into Adam's interviews as they are incredibly insightful!

    As a loyal follower, I'm always concerned when someone will cross the line and you're contributions will find their way into the Ether.

    This is the right move and can't wait to see where this goes! Already subbed!

    Wishing you, your family and businesses much success!

     

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 2:10pm

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    Mots

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    Hamilton and Jefferson

    Adam, Chris
    I have always felt that you two guys were modern equivalents of Alexander Hamilton, with his constant emphasis on money and banking, and Thomas Jefferson, with his emphasis on agriculture and real wealth creation.  Both are valuable and needed.

    I realize that this complexity and the compromises between such people having different goals is the hallmark of advanced civilization.  This change, to me, is evidence that good things will be achieved during these new dark ages.

    I am glad to see all of this finally happening.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 2:19pm

    daveW2

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    daveW2 said:

    Welcome back Chris.....follow you from uk...i am your generation 3 months older than you....i'm lucky to have a garden too but not in uk....but for covid i been staying in uk with family......btw ur following maybe cross generational since it was my son who found your uploads..... & since april 2019 we followed your videos....so...one thank you for all the videos on covid...it helped us a lot and i think a lot of others ....thank you for the personality and presentation .........me and my son our regular watch was Chris....Dr Been...Whiteboard Doctor and Trialsite news....and for the past 3 months we sure missed Chris....sure like to see you back....best regards  to you and Adam...david...Milton Keynes

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 2:43pm

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    agitating prop

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    A thousand thanks.

    Congratulations Adam and Chris,

    I disagree with you politically, Chris-- and also had qualms about the corporate direction the forum seemed to be taking, in the last few years.

    I changed my opinion on the corporate score, a few months ago. Large corporations can provide the corporate backing to enable you to keep doing what you are doing. And though our world views are different, I feel you are sincere and passionately care about people. You also have a hide like a rhino, which will make PP and ongoing success.

    The pandemic threw everybody a curve ball, for sure. But for you and Adam...my gawd...how weird it must have been.

    One of the positives though, was the success of the online seminars. That was just fantastic and, if nothing else, this kind of communication, facilitated by tech will serve you and Adam well in the future. Those in the commenting section who want to be closer and form real authentic communities, face to actual face, will also benefit. I am thinking of Grover, in particular-- and many many who are in the same boat, emotionally. There is a crisis of loneliness int the world and the pandemic has brought that issue to a head and has enabled action to be taken.

    So, it's all good.

    Adam, thank you for being the dispassionate wealth steward these last few months. I appreciate how hard it must have been to keep the ball rolling. You are poised to do really well, while you help others, at the very least, preserve their purchasing power. I will hit subscribe on Youtube and forward to all of my friends and family. If you have a monthly fee for viewing, I will gladly pay...if its not too high.

    A huge thank you to both of you!

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 3:01pm

    Mots

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    The Search for Truth

    In my opinion the biggest challenge we face is finding truth.  Truth has been the first casualty in the disintegration of America.  I became a scientist and then a lawyer because the western dialectic used with reality checking (in science, objective hypothesis testing via collection and evaluation of data; in law opposing views/data judged by an objective 3rd party) has advanced society out of the darkness and is the key to humanity.

    But "science" has been mostly destroyed by money and the legal system has been destroyed by money.  At least in America.  It is interesting to see that both are comparatively thriving in much of Asia and even China is improving, with a patent system that soon will surpass America`s in protecting intellectual property.

    There are very few scientists or legal objective minds anymore.  They are too humble, too willing to listen, and too willing to admit "I dont know."  They have been trampled into the background by the financial zealots. I refer to the so-called scientist who too frequently gets results or logic that conforms to expectations for a political or financial prize,  and the lawyer who starts from the position that the only truth is money and that ethics are for losers.

    I cannot find truth or solace in science "research" or "the law" anymore.  Even the people and sites that claim to investigate truth (Stefan Molynieux, James Corbett come to mind here) are so anti-science and so un-informed of basic science principles and so arrogantly over-confident in their ignorance, that they are often worse than the idiots (fake scientists/corrupt leaders) that they criticize.

    C Martenson`s website is the only place where reasoned thinking with objective review can provide some way forward in discovering truth.  It takes a certain kind of person.  PP membership is a self selected group that is not found elsewhere.  I look forward to an improved structure that  can encourage such rational members. One way to distinguish rationality-members is to test whether the person can accept that he/she does not know the answer (and may never know the answer) and is comfortable with abandoning long cherished beliefs with new incoming data, and can say: "I dont know the answer but will follow your contradictory facts."  Can you make a test for that?

    Maybe truth is found in our own backyard and Victor Hugo is right (see Candide).  Thomas Jefferson taught us by example with his non-financial pursuits of wealth in the land he possessed.  Chris`s work on his land, and his (together with that from the members) objective spotlight on things around, are what attract me to this site.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 3:30pm

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    Back on Course

    As a tribe member since 2008, I have spent countless hours on the PP site and chrismartenson.com before it. The Crash Course opened my eyes to the complex relationships between the 3 Es and it is fair to say that the knowledge I have gained from Chris and my fellow tribe members has changed my life for the better. So, Chris, it is a great relief to learn that you are back and the information scouting will resume forthwith.

    Thank you for everything you have done so far and I look forward to having you at the helm of PP as we navigate towards the coming storm.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 3:33pm

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    agitating prop

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    Mots

    "Even the people and sites that claim to investigate truth (Stefan Molynieux, James Corbett come to mind here) are so anti-science and so un-informed of basic science principles and so arrogantly over-confident in their ignorance, that they are often worse than the idiots (fake scientists/corrupt leaders) that they criticize."

    For sure.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 3:35pm

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    onecallednick

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    I missed you, Chris!

    And I'm discussing a membership with my wife to contribute to the future of this community. I can't wait to see more of your coverage of the crazy world we live in.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 3:59pm

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    Shplad

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    Shplad said:

    Congratulations Adam and Chris. I guess it doesn't surprise me that the two of you can go in different directions peacefully, as you're both humble, secure people.

     

    Just to clarify, does no advertising on PP mean a paid membership only model?

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 4:17pm

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    capesurvivor

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    Good luck to both

    Hey Chris,

    While I’ve  found Adam’s interviews helpful and interesting, I, too am glad to see you back. The reality is, we can get financial info in a lot of places but real facts and solid reasoning with a scientific perspective...nope. You’re the guy and I look forward to a rejuvenated PP.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 4:52pm

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    This may help...

    https://www.bizapedia.com/ca/greylock-peak-investments-llc.html

    Note that the "Company Contacts" address is the address of GBI...

    Also, see https://www.bizapedia.com/trademarks/wealthion-90555177.html

     

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 5:01pm

    RetiredZebra

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    wk79: I tend to agree and remain from Missouri. I wonder if it's all yet been told ....

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 5:26pm

    Chris Martenson

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    My Return to Full Coverage

    And I'm discussing a membership with my wife to contribute to the future of this community. I can't wait to see more of your coverage of the crazy world we live in.

    First, thank you everyone for weighing in with your well-wishes and positive attitudes.  Much appreciated!

    Next, I need to be clear that the deal isn't yet finalized.  We're working diligently behind the scenes, but there remain a number of issues, contracts, and legal documents to finalize.

    Until the last signature page is done and final, I will remain limited in my coverage.  But we're almost there...so just a little bit longer.

    Finally, this is an exceptional time to be alive.  There's soooooOooooo much to talk about.  It's a target rich environment to be sure.

    As I've spoken with people over the phone of late, one thing has become clear; it's a really challenging time to be a thoughtful and observant person.  Especially for those with empathetic tendencies.  The amount of crazy out there is hard to exist within all by oneself.  The common refrain is "This is all really starting to get to me."  I share that experience.

    That's part of the reason this community is important.  It's something of an intellectual life raft that helps prevent me from having to conform to a world which has utterly lost its bearings.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 5:36pm

    wotthecurtains

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    wotthecurtains said:

    Absolutely Chris.

    I feel like my head remains above water but Im starting to have to recognize all sorts of symptoms of psychological stress that I never had to deal with before.

    For me Mondays are hard.  I look at ZeroHedge and feel like a tidal wave of crazy has slammed into me before 10:00 AM.  I don't drink a lot, but the fact that Im ready for a drink on Monday night bothers me.

    Maybe its asking too much, but if Evie can give us some of that empathic "female" sensibility  it would be most welcome.   I know you talked about bringing a (carefully defined) "female" sensibility into things to counter the "male" dominance of thinking in our culture.

    Honestly, part of me wondered if you weren't on some spiritual journey in India all this time (cue the Police song "Secret Journey") lol.

     

    Cant wait for the ride to restart with my old friend who Ive never met.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 5:36pm

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    In the waiting line...

    This song struck home with me early in my Crash Course life. This is a nice cover.

    We miss you. Hope you can make it to Polyface.
    kind regards,

    Tycer

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 5:36pm

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    aimee said:

    Could not be happier to read your post!
    So very glad that you are back and will be running PP on your own terms!
    We missed you!

     

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 5:43pm

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    I’m going to follow the path that Chris is taking

    No offense to Adam and I wish him well,  but I only have enough bandwidth to focus on the Homesteading, lifestyle, and Health issues. There is no more important issue than Covid, and the related dislocations in lifestyle, mental health, loss of personal liberties, and decisions on vaxes and supplements and survival. When PP went 90% focused on Covid it was appropriate. Nothing has been resolved. The focus must remain.
    Regarding money...it never seems to have a good outcome when pursuit of wealth is the primary goal. A prosperous life will come naturally when people pursue virtuous goals.
    I am renewing my subscription to PP.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 5:56pm

    #55

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    Paying (FOR) Attention

    Maybe you should consider using an attention token platform for the site redesign. I think it's a really fascinating concept and a good (but small) investment over almost a year (up 500+%).

    Let the advertisers pay us for our attention, and let us reward good content with crypto.

    Just a thought.

    Edit: Added a random video explanation for the video inclined (btw, video was a great choice Adam)

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 6:17pm

    #56
    Littleskipper

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    Thank you both Adam and Chris

    Just wanted to say how much we appreciate you both.  Thank you Adam for all the varied content during the last few months.  Chris, sure have missed your "voice" but I just assumed you were taking care of personal matters with your daughter.  You and your family have been on my mind and I have sent positive intentions out into the universe.  I hope all is well on that front.  I wish you both success!!

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 6:37pm

    #57

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    travissidelinger said:

    So many questions

    Does this mean we need two subscriptions now?

    Does this mean Chris will not cover any market details, and Adam won't cover anything else?

    Or will there be a gentleman's agreement to cover separate things?

    Will you guys interview each other?

    What about the intercetion of the 3E's?  Things don't make sense until you put all three together.  Meaning one of the E's can't really go it's own way.

    What happens when all this financial stuff gets real, aka "The dollar really starts to loose confidence, and the central banks go all out war on anyone saying otherwise"?  Then what will Adam do?

    What about the yearly PP conferences?

    Who's going to be "Time Cop" now?

    And Who's going to answer email for Chris, because Adam was much better at that?

    Who's going to model the PP tee shirts? Sorry Chris, Adam has you beat there.

    Well it's finally good know what the hell has been going on.

    We support you both.

    Cheers

    -Travis

     

     

     

     

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 6:51pm

    #58
    agitating prop

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    Thank you GBI

    This is probably an unintentional oversight on the part of the members here. Just about everybody has thanked Chris and Adam -- but nobody's thanked GBI, to my knowledge, including me.

    So, I think we should also thank them.

    And I'm looking at you, Wesley Clarke, particularly. If not for you, we wouldn't have known the long range goal of the military was to move from Iraq to Syria and on to war with Iran.

    Who knows, maybe your drawing attention to that detail, many years ago, has played a minor role in preventing it from happening. And now, Biden is heading to Iran to attempt to undo the damage of the former president. Rock on, Wesley!

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 6:58pm

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    Congratulations to Adam and Chris

    Congratulations to both Adam and Chris with wishes for a resilient and bountiful future!

    Maybe it was already discussed, but I'm wondering what piece of the pie the "investors" still have?  What did they keep in the deal and what did they give up?

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 7:25pm

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    Form handed out after my husband's shot

    For those who are interested in the handout info that my husband received after getting his shot, I'm having trouble with the message function.  But, I don't have the handout anymore.  It was a Moderna shot and Moderna handout.  Is it unusual to receive one at all?

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 7:36pm

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    Hladini

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    Hip, Hip, Hooray!

    So glad to hear from Chris!  The internet is just not the same without Chris and neither is PP.  My life would not be the  same without Chris.  Since watching his Crash Course back in 2011 (the first one), I am so much better prepped now.  Primarily because of Chris, we have 8 peach trees, 3 pomegranites, 4 persimmons, 6 pear trees, 5 apple trees, 2 fig trees, 2 lemon trees, a tangerine tree, keylime, grapefruit, elderberry, 2 chestnuts, mulberry, bananas (maybe 2 dozen), raspberry bushes, blackberry bushes,  ginger root, and tumeric,  we have a hand pump for the well, I've been stacking (little by little), and I've managed to diversify my income.  I also farmed for five years, taking produce to market and learned to grow food.    Much thanks to Chris and the Tribe for all this progress.

    I'll be waiting with bated breath on the outcome of the split.  I'm praying the negotiations go forward smoothly, without a hitch, and that it's a win-win outcome.  I mediate for a living, so I know there is no deal until everyone signs, or agree on the record.

    On another note, what is this censorship issue with Dave F everyone is talking about?

    Adam I'm happy for you.  You're a great guy and very photogenic; I think you have a bright future.  For me, I don't have any money to worry about investing.  Although I do listen to these experts you have been interviewing, I find the interviews hard to listen to.  I recommend the ToastMaster's club.   Just learning not to use "filler" words would help your podcasts, and there's much more Toastmaster's offers.

    Once this deal gets done, I've got some controversial data to share with the tribe on facemasks ............

    Hint:  I've ditched them.

     

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 7:53pm

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    Thank you!

    Thank you Chris and Adam for all the years of hard work. It will be a real relief to get the facts on COVID again. So much bogus information on the MSM. Vaccine information please.  Stay well guys!

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 8:05pm

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    Island girl

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    Thanks

    Glad to hear things are working out. Love Adam's podcasts, simpatico with Chris's outlook, and plan to follow you both.

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  • Sat, Apr 03, 2021 - 10:37pm

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    Great news - and crazy world out there

    I am so looking forward to Chris being front and center here again.  And congratulations Adam on a platform to pursue your vision.

    As for the crazy world - I'm personally thriving at the moment.  I've used this pandemic year to delve into personal work and emotional resilience in a way that has mostly eluded me for most of my adult life (and I was even humble enough to find a highly skilled coach and mentor rather than going it alone).  Meanwhile, people I know, including some in my own family have been struggling and a couple of them are barely holding it together, or not quite holding it together.  My own daughters even with the challenges one of them has had, seem to be able to look at the world and see it more or less as it is.

    But ...  over the past week, at their initiation, I've found myself in vaccine conversations with both of my sisters-in-law that taught me a lot about the cliff many people have jumped off of.  In one conversation - after 5 minutes of one sister-in-law gushing about the vaccine and then asking me about my plans, I said  -and gently - "I'm a bit hesitant about the vaccine." Which led to a long diatribe about how foolish I was.

    With the other, we had a long and polite conversation at first in person and then by text.  I was able to have her consider and maybe even come around to my perspective about a certain antiparasitic and vitamin D.  But she couldn't get beyond the idea that "Fauci is a good man and what he says about the vaccine must be the entire truth and he must have had a good reason for not mentioning those two prophylactics."  Eventually, she got triggered enough that she withdrew from the conversation.  I must admit that what probably triggered her was my response to her saying "Fauci got the vaccine."  I answered "Maybe not." and then shared the videos of him receiving a shot in his left arm and then on national TV, the next day, rubbing his right arm as he said it was sore from the vaccine.  I should have known that would be to much cognitive dissonance. I apologized for not ending sooner.

    My biggest takeaway is that the general population could very likely get swept up into a vaccine passport frenzy and become willing accomplices in efforts to corral us "resisters" as much as possible.  I'm just beginning to ponder my course of action given this not-too-unlikely outcome. I'd love to hear Chris weigh in on this as soon as he is able.

    Takeaway number two is that there doesn't seem to be much value in engaging with people who are firmly entrenched in the mainstream point of view.  I really listened hard in the second conversation and asked lots of good questions.  What I got was  "I've watched Fauci and I trust his heart is true. I believe him without questioning."  Or perhaps at least she gives him a huge benefit of the doubt.  There was still opportunity to do an end run around that with early treatments and immune supports (vitamin D), but the vaccine is so central to the story that calling it into question calls him into question.  Once again, I'm eagerly looking forward to Chris' perspective on this.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 12:53am

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    Have really missed You the past 3 months from Dubai.

    Hey Chris,

    Had been wondering what happened to you and glad to know it wasn't a distressing family illness or another health-related event.  I don't drink coffee but as an American living in Dubai, I would not get out of bed last year until I had watched your latest video posting.  Talk about an addiction.  Even limiting to the Tuesday Thursday posting left me craving for more.   I know you have been working your butt off in getting the truth out and to the world for those willing to listen.  We all cannot thank you enough.  It is amazing how you have been able to gather all the information and compile it into such informative videos with such quick turnaround.  Like you say if you can do it why can't the professionals do it.  You should have been leading/appointed the COVID response task force and 100s of thousands of lives would have been saved.  Like you, I could never compromise on the Truth, Integrity, Character that defines us.  I know you have strong values, honest and truthful beliefs and that is why I was always looked forward to your reporting.  I would forward your videos to dozens and dozens of people and still do.  We all trust You and not the Mass Media that has obviously been compromised in so many ways.

    Hope to be seeing you post some new videos soon!

    Dubai Tom

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 3:01am

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    Gerrit de Wit

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    Big pat on the shoulder of Adam

    Wish you both all the best, will follow both. While Chris was silent it seems Adam was working hard to keep the website runnung. Well done Adam!

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 3:02am

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    QB

    My biggest takeaway is that the general population could very likely get swept up into a vaccine passport frenzy and become willing accomplices in efforts to corral us "resisters" as much as possible. I'm just beginning to ponder my course of action given this not-too-unlikely outcome.

    I have had this very conversation with my wife multiple times recently. I think you are right on the money. My belief is that the writing is on the wall and the "unvaxxed" will become pariahs through propaganda from on high.

    I am a dentist that sees, on average, 30 people up close and personal on a daily basis. We have a warm atmosphere in our office and close relationships with many of our patients. Even after the mask mandate being lifted in Texas a month ago, probably 95 percent of our patients show up wearing masks. Many will not take the thing off until they are leaned back in the chair and put it back on as quickly as possible. Talk about getting their "shot" is all day every day. Sure, there are a few that have views similar to mine, but not many. I have to admit that this daily atmosphere wears heavily on me.

    I have a close friend that I went to undergrad with. He went to medical school and has recently retired. During a phone conversation last week he asked if I had gotten the shot. I said, "Tim, you have known me for over 40 years, you know I will not be getting the shot."  His response struck me, "I thought you were my friend, have you lost your mind?"

    My wife has a women's group that met once a month before the "pandemic". She was in on a group text last week and one member wrote, "I will be so glad when we are all vaccinated and can get together again. Everybody has been vaccinated, right?"

    Yes, the writing is on the wall and my position has become how to weather what I see as another facet of the coming storm. I no longer waste my breath trying to help others in this regard. If they should appear as though they might be interested, I will engage. Otherwise, I have learned to just move on. Time is short these days.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 3:58am

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    How to talk to People who are “Vaxindoctrinated”

    QB and Mark....

    I always soften the conversation by saying that “I just don’t know” about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines. Secondly, I am waiting for the trials to be completed (because that’s how science works....Trials!). Third I tell them about some promising new oral vaccines being tested and use that as a segue to send them a Dr. Been YouTube link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-xEyEU4Jb8 And tell them I am looking carefully at all vaccine candidates. I finally say that I am not an anti-vaxer, but am going to do thorough research before taking something into my body that might be permanent. I have this conversation a lot.....and quite often discover people who are on the fence. It does make a difference.

    People whose minds are 100% made up are best left alone. Keeping  friendship and trust is important because it keeps the door open for future conversations. With those people I usually say “I’m going to say this once and then leave it alone” I give my little speech and then back off. But at least I’ve been honest to myself.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 4:53am

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    Kat43 said:

    We may not have seen Fauci being vaccinated, but considering his position and resources, and cavalier attitude about the virus (remember his masklessness in the stands after he threw that first pitch?), it is very possible he was vaccinated last spring.

    The lack of Phase 1 animal testing is really significant to me.  They can't do that now and provide credible results, because if they turned out badly they couldn't admit that after hundreds of millions of doses were already given.  "Completing" Phase 3 doesn't impress me because it's clear they aren't paying much attention to how it is going.

    I don't bother recommending against the vaccines any more.  I do suggest if I'm able to that they may want a backup plan in case they get sick.  I have told the people I work with I won't be getting vaccinated because it seems like a trust issue.  We don't report back to the office before July.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 5:45am

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    agnes xyz

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    agnes xyz said:

    My comment about the "vaccine" is pretty simple. "I don't know what's in my shot. It's experimental, and maybe we're all getting different stuff." That's my own personal take on the shot. At worst, it just shows what a paranoid skeptic I am. At best, it causes others to wonder.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 5:49am

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    The "Vaxindoctrinated"

    I always bring up 3 points;

    1. No stage 3 trials have been completed

    2. The FDA wont approve it

    3. The pharmaceutical companies wouldnt introduce it without guaranteed immunity from lawsuits. [ In other words the makers of the Vaxx dont even trust it with their money, why would you trust it with your life? ]

    Those 3 things are hard to argue with. They are just facts. You are taking an unapproved, experimental, gene altering drug which the companies themselves dont trust.

    If pushed I might also bring up the one person we personally know, so far, who died within days of getting the death jab. The fact that several European countries have halted stopped it because of deaths and side effects. And, finally, the history of bad vaccine outcomes like SV 40 [ polio ] which gave people cancer and the swine flu vax which caused neurological damage  to thousands of Americans in the 70's. I might conclude by reminding such people of the absurdly miniscule death risk of covid19 for healthy people under 65, and ask why they would risk their health by taking an experimental gene altering serum rolled out at warp speed [ other than the fact that somebody on TV told them they should ]?

    Now all that being said...you can only state your case and leave it to the individual to make his/her choice. Ultimately, you cant control how this will all unfold. Will the brainwashed mob come for the hearts of the "unvaxxed" with torches and pitchforks? Probably not. Either way there's not much you can do about it except prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 6:07am

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    Onward and Upward

    Great to see you were able to work things out.  I've been following you since 2005 and look forward to becoming more active with the community. Challenging times ahead for all of us.   But we'll be up to the task!!!

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 6:28am

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    agnes xyz

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    for Brushhog and others

    Brushhog and others:

    That may work well for you. For me, however, I'm a small female with a dum, cutesy face which gives me no knowledge/fact credibility at all. And now that I am also a "little old lady", who would believe my knowledge besides Mr. Black Swan [Taleb]?

    I have compensated and have a lot of fun with it. I get a dum bunny look on my face, ask questions [questions, not facts!] that walk Mr. [yes, usually male, I'm sorry] Know-It-All into a trap of his own logic, and walk away, still looking like a dum-dum. It helps to have been in a performing art. I'm the fool that exposes, rather that expresses truth. I often use Goldy Hawn, a brilliant dum-dum.

    I find I can't go against people's physical perception of me. So I use what I have to work with. Maybe all the world really is a stage. So we all need different approaches. No one-size-fits-all.

    I might suggest to people to look into the mirror and ask: Who is this character? Talk to yourself. Express as you do. Then organize a suitable script around that character. That's all the credibility most of get.

    And it feels so good to be so smart.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 6:43am

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    Wendy

    You didn’t specify your health issues, but your before and after pictures resemble those of people who transitioned to good nutrition?

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 6:55am

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    brushhog said:

    By all means Agnes you should use what you have. Reading your post Im imagining a Miss Marple character who looks up over her reading glasses while knitting to drop logical bombs which shatter the case wide open.

    I dont possess those kinds of wiles. The K.I.S.S principle [ keep it simple, stupid ] usually works for me; Make 3 solid points [ because 3 is easy to remember ], state them loud and clear, avoid arguments. Afterward, Im happy to change the subject and leave the listener to weigh the information [ or ignore it ].

    Ultimately, I believe in action over dialog. The act [ or lack thereof ] of refusing the vaccine and not following the herd is the most powerful counterbalance to the vax-indoctrination.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 7:20am

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    ironpuppy12345

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    ironpuppy12345 said:

    I never really listened to Adam because I gave up on these gloom and doom economic guys whose been warning “the sky is falling tomorrow” for the past 12 years.

    I listened to Chris for his expertise on the virus and other political issues.  But if he switches the platform to homesteading/farming, there are many other more qualified sites to learn from on this topic.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 8:00am

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    Thank you all

    Oliveoilguy, brushhog and agnes, thank you so much.  I think for me a combination approach inspired by all of you might work.  I've done enough dancing over the past few years to give me just enough experience to play the innocent fool that leads unsuspecting smart asses into a trap of their own design.

    OOG, would you care to share your Dr. Been link?

    One more detail about my experience that I forgot in my original post.  I think the trigger in my second conversation was this: "Make your left arm hurt, maybe by punching it just hard enough to hurt for 30 seconds.  Then look yourself in the mirror, rub your right arm and say 'my arm hurts.'".  I personally find that very difficult to do and the cognitive dissonance when doing it quite painful.  It would be nearly impossible to do in a real-life setting if it was the other arm that actually hurt.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 8:03am

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    2retired said:

    I have a strong memory of the social pressure in 1976(?) lining up for the swine flu shot amid all the excitement and rah rah of getting the shot and the misgiving I had of this group charging forward in certainty of 'special' benefit; followed by the dread of knowing people coming down with Gillon Barre desease, and having their health cut short. Looking at the stats from countries that embraced the Sinovac vaccine and Isreal's stats showing some increased mortalities (as opposed to the expected decrease), it may not take too long to be more comfortable with vaccine hesitancy.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 8:10am

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    To Vax or Not To Vax - Is Not the Question

    Like we tend to do often in this community, I think we are making too big a deal out of the vaccine.

    It's not a real vaccine, its just provides another tool for our immune system. And it seems to be effective in this limited role.

    The virus will adapt and it will become invisible to our immune system once again. Auto-immune disorders will probably result as the immune system cannot distinguish friend from foe.

    Humans will adapt again and help the immune system identify the "new" bad guy. Rinse and repeat.

    Bottom line: This is going to be a marathon and will probably get much worse in the years ahead. Don't let politics or ideology limit your weapons against this virus. Use them all. They are just tools, not your identity.

    If you are young with good innate immunity, you can probably ignore the first round of this battle. But know that the second round will likely be a different story as the virus mutations that survive innate human immunity are selected for.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 8:22am

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    The Art of being Underestimated

    Yes Agnes, that is a wonderful classically female way to your point across.  For some reason early in my career I  was always underestimated.  That lasted for quite a while and it was huge fun.

    Being overestimated is another thing entirely.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 8:25am

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    sbastian5 said:

    Thank you, Chris and Adam!!!

    I hope that I am reading the announcement correctly and that you, Chris are willing to discuss controversial, risky topics related to covid, even though this is against your financial interest.  If so, you are a courageous man, like I have always thought you were and I am so thankful.  It seems to me that until the papers are all signed that you, Chris probably cannot be yourself on the site since the other parties  want to limit their risk.

    Thank you, Adam for all of your hard work to keep the site going.  I can see that it's been a whole lot.  I intend to follow you.

    But, Chris, you are the heart of the site and I miss you and very much look forward to hearing from you soon.

    I'm wishing all parties all

    the best.  And thanks for the announcement, even though the papers are not all signed.  I really appreciate it.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 8:28am

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    Reply to MarkM

    I have a close friend that I went to undergrad with. He went to medical school and has recently retired. During a phone conversation last week he asked if I had gotten the shot. I said, "Tim, you have known me for over 40 years, you know I will not be getting the shot." His response struck me, "I thought you were my friend, have you lost your mind?"

    When I see/hear medical professionals taking this attitude, it's almost always coming from a place of complete acceptance of the propaganda narrative that we have no efficacious early treatments (supplement or drug).  MD's understand that our usual approach to infectious disease is the treat as early as possible - this is undeniable.  What many don't understand is how effective Ivermectin in particular is, especially when paired with synergists as in iMask+ from FLCCC.

    We have even seen this kind of awakening in the case of the highly credible mRNA vax alarmist Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, who basically learned about the true value of HCQ and Ivermectin in real time, during a Covexit interview that included himself and Peter McCullough, MD.  Since he is a rationalist and a real scientist (not a science nihilist) he now acknowledges the role they can play... here from his Mar 30 document post on his website;

    Furthermore, data published in peer-reviewed journals provide compelling evidence that treatment of Covid-19 at an early stage of disease can prevent many patents from developing severe illness and ending up in ICUs for prolonged intensive care treatment. I am attaching a link to a seminal paper authored by Prof. McCullough et al.:
    htps://www.amjmed.com/acton/showPdf?pii=S0002-9343%2820%2930673-2

    Again, my read having followed him since his first interviews and writings is that this was new news to Dr. Bossche.

    Denial of role of therapeutics was and remains necessary for the medical tyranny globalist agenda to proceed.  It's the weakest link... we have to attack this lie in particular.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 8:40am

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    Hladini

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    Vaccine Facism

    Hello fellow Tribe members.  I think I  was asking this question a while ago.  Where do  I, you, we, draw the line?

    Personally, I draw the line at forced or coerced vaccination.  I'll fight against it.  The way I feel right now, I'm prepared to lose my DL, Bar License, Mediation Certification, even my home.  I plan on wearing a yellow star that says "unvaxxed."  I plan on bringing pots and spoons to bang at the next Alachua County Commissioner meeting to protest the push to mandate vaccines and hopefully speak against any such ordinance that coerces vaccination.

    Local, State and Federal governments cannot force you to vaccinate, but they can get enough businesses and people on board to marginalize those who don't vaccinate, thus creating a new enemy for the herd to focus on.   The private sector is free to do what it wants.

    Just like the different responses by the States,  I think we'll see different responses from businesses.  Some airlines and businesses will not require vaccination and some others will, and may the odds be forever in your favor or let the free market prevail.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 8:43am

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    MarkBC

    I don't believe that it has any of the intentional ill-effects that many fear since there are multiple private vaccines on the market and they could never be that well coordinated.

    Thank you for being honest and stating this as a belief and not fact.  Notice that all of the vaccines in use in Western-leaning nations are mRNA.  These have never been used before.. but now EVERY vaccine being used - and yes, the adeno-virus J&J also ends up turning your cells into RNA Spike protein factories - are of the mRNA variety.  A variety of vaccine that is such a strong and specific hammer into our immune systems that it puts evolutionary pressure on the that portion of the virus.. the spike protein itself, to mutate in ways that allow it to evade our immunity.  These vaccines literally drive mutated variants of increasing transmissibility and/or infectiousness (if not necessary increased mortality).

    The net result of all of this is that once you get on the vax train, you will be on a never ending vax train, always playing catch-up in trying to match the mRNA sequences of the most dominant mutants and getting your next vax, as the news warns of the next wave coming.  Who could have predicted such a thing?

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 8:56am

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    To Hladini...

    >>> On another note, what is this censorship issue with Dave F everyone is talking about?

    The Investors

     

     

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 9:03am

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    I knew something was up

    PP and comment from Chris had gone very silent of late.  So we knew something was up.

    Thanking both Chris and Adam for all previous Good Work and wishing both well for the future!

    Vaccines are being rolled out in the UK at breakneck speed.  Vaccine Passports appear to imminent?  This is currently my No.1 Issue!

    Following Videos may be of Interest?  Probably should be placed in a new Topic/Thread?

     

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 9:16am

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    LBL said:

    >>> "Personally, I draw the line at forced or coerced vaccination"

     

    How does one deal with Travel Restrictions ?

    Next time I drive to California I will find out if they are using the Agriculture Inspection stations to enforce Covid Law.

    I wonder what it's like at the Tijuana border crossing near San Diego.  There's always Mexican soldiers at the border, and US Customs on the North trip.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 9:16am

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    coh said:

    One more detail about my experience that I forgot in my original post. I think the trigger in my second conversation was this: "Make your left arm hurt, maybe by punching it just hard enough to hurt for 30 seconds. Then look yourself in the mirror, rub your right arm and say 'my arm hurts.'". I personally find that very difficult to do and the cognitive dissonance when doing it quite painful. It would be nearly impossible to do in a real-life setting if it was the other arm that actually hurt.

    Maybe he "slept funny" and woke up with pain in both arms, and for some reason instinctively grabbed the right one. Later in the same video he grabbed his left arm and mentioned it hurting from the vaccine. I know I'm nowhere near his age and it's not unusual for me to wake up with an arm hurting because I had it contorted in some strange position at some point during the night.

    I have to laugh every time I read through these threads and see people here talking about how "others" are brainwashed.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 9:19am

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    So relieved you’re back Chris !

    Great road ahead for both of you, for sure. Looking forward from Paris, France.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 9:21am

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    Brushhog, Quercus, Hladini

    Brushhog - I didn't know Miss Marple, but I looked her up. She'd work better for me now than a 1970's Goldy Hawn. Thanks.

    Quercus - Dancing? Perfect. Not just a performing art, but one dealing with gravity. We all need more grounding. Go to it!

    Hladini - Draw the line? I always start several steps ahead. It gives me leeway.  You have some good scenerios set up already. The International Nuremberg Code [post WW2] does not allow involuntary shots under death penalty for the perpetrator. I think that is still in effect. I should check it out. It's good to know.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 9:27am

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    UK Yellow Card Reporting for Vaccine side effects - Pfizer, AZ, Other

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 9:44am

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    Mine too

    Also in the UK. I’m exploring all options to avoid the shot and need Chris’s guidance.

    Nevertheless, even if I avoid the shot, the battle has been lost. What the roll out of vaccine passports portends is truly horrifying. Can you even imagine what this opens the door to? Over a virus that kills .2% with an average age of death of 80!

    Anyone that doesn’t understand the danger of this is a fool.

    p.s. I fully expect that if I took any of the jabs I’d be fine.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 9:52am

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    Love hearing about productive engagement (or simple withdrawal)

    One reason I like this site a lot is that I've seen about three or four of you say, "Thanks for all your input but Ive decided to take the vaccine" and not one of you yelled "Enjoy your Autism  ASSHOLE!"

    It seems like its socially ok now to count yourself a hero for cutting people out of your life because disagreement on a particular course of action is proof of irredeemable evil.

    I think the key is to default to being gentle with people.   Think of the amount of fear  someone is feeling when they scream "I can't believe people like you exist!!!" just because your reaction to covid (or whether to vote for Biden) doesn't match theirs.

    You know how they rolled their eyes last year when you told them you were stocking up the pantry because the CCP doesn't shut down a city of 10 million for no reason?  They never admitted later on that you had a point there because they don't think the way you do.   They aren't evil and you and I aren't "better" than them.

    It's just that we can't live in each other's world sometimes.

    Anyway, the level of fear people are feeling and the simplicity of the messaging that captures them makes me doubt their ability to methodically go about forcing each and every one of us to get the jab while they watch.   Much as I hate Gates et al, they are also rational enough to know that the energy spent tracking down the last 20% of us could be better spent getting the races and sexes to fight with each other while they scoop up all the remaining resources.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 10:20am

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    Nuremberg Code for permissible medical experiments

    From wikipedia:

    The ten points of the code were given in the section of the judges' verdict entitled "Permissible Medical Experiments":[6]

    1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
    2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
    3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
    4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
    5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
    6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
    7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
    8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
    9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
    10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 10:37am

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    Taking stock and moving onward...

    I’m really glad to hear of the promising directions Chris and Adam are both moving in! Much relieved that PP isn’t dissolving and that Chris will be back.

     

    I’m trusting that we’ll get more information about the deal and “the investors” once the negotiation context allows. Alongside so many others, I can’t wait to hear from Chris when he returns, especially as the vaccine rollout “progresses.”

     

    In the meantime, I wanted to help capture some of the great content suggestions that are scattered in the threads here -- these posts have been a treasure trove of insights for outstanding questions as PP moves into this next phase and this bewildering world.

     

    This is just my own effort (and how I naturally read the contributions here, synthesizing and sensemaking as I go), so please feel free to respond with whatever I’m inevitably missing! This is all filtered through my own understanding of what folks are saying and the patterns I see coming together, though I’ve quoted some members, as well.

     

    1. The COVID-19 Narrative: The Vaccine Rollout Chapter

     

    Vaccination, Immunity, and the Science of It All

    • The case for caution in mass vaccination - Geert Vanden Bossche, Others
      • See thread: “A very dark view of mRNA vaccines”
    • Vaccine efficacy and risks - Vaccine types, Variant types

     

    Censorship of Evidence-Based Alternatives (or, the Anti-Science of it All)

    • Why the censorship of prophylactic options like protecting the immune terrain, Vitamin D, Ivermectin?
      • Why have approaches to managing COVID been so mucked up from the start?
      • What happened with FLCC and the Ivermectin battle, anyway?

     

    Making Sense of It All, With Eyes and Minds Open: Our Rights and the Future

    • What are the signals and the evidence for vaccination playing a role as a part of some larger project?
    • What do we do now, both as individuals and as part of the PP community and other communities?
      • What might we not be able to do in the future and how can we anticipate this? How do we adapt and be as resilient as possible, if certain rights and movements are blocked to the unvaccinated?
    • “My biggest takeaway is that the general population could very likely get swept up into a vaccine passport frenzy and become willing accomplices in efforts to corral us "resisters" as much as possible.  I'm just beginning to ponder my course of action given this not-too-unlikely outcome. I'd love to hear Chris weigh in on this as soon as he is able.” (Quercus bicolor)
    • Is there any hope for those of us who don’t have the resources to homestead at a level that the situation seems to warrant? Help!

     

    Getting through this Without Losing it All: Navigating Our Relationships and Communities

      • I’m thinking of Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay’s How to Have Impossible Conversations here: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/peter-boghossian/how-to-have-impossible-conversations/9780738285320/
      • I’ve used this fairly effectively as a framework for first-year college students in a class session I’ve dubbed “Communicating Across Divides (Or, How to Disagree Better)”
        • Personal note: Higher ed is a space I’m actively fighting my way out of -- it has become untenable for SO many reasons.
      • I don’t know how many PP folks have the felicitous circumstances of sharing their lives with largely like-minded people, but I’ve noticed that at least some of us are living with someone who is approaching the COVID-19 situation from a more mainstream angle and is skeptical (or even hostile) toward evidence that questions or contradicts it.
        • What strategies can we use to (try to) maintain these relationships? Do we have advice for each other on how to do this, or how to find/build new relationships, if necessary?
    • “Takeaway number two is that there doesn't seem to be much value in engaging with people who are firmly entrenched in the mainstream point of view.  I really listened hard in the second conversation and asked lots of good questions.  What I got was  "I've watched Fauci and I trust his heart is true. I believe him without questioning."  Or perhaps at least she gives him a huge benefit of the doubt.  There was still opportunity to do an end run around that with early treatments and immune supports (vitamin D), but the vaccine is so central to the story that calling it into question calls him into question.  Once again, I'm eagerly looking forward to Chris' perspective on this.” (Quercus bicolor)

     

     

    1. The Future of PP at a Critical Time

    The Deal, “the Investors,” and what it means for PP

    • Cohesive explanation of how decisions were made and the parties involved
      • Especially, who ARE these investors, anyway? And how did they come to be involved in the first place? What is their role now and moving forward?
    • Open conversation about what we need to know to rebuild trust in our PP community
      • What is the best process for raising concerns, and for leadership to respond?
      • I can only imagine that Chris himself keeping up on the (excellent!) concerns raised through the maze of threads here may not always be feasible -- Partly why I’m synthesizing some of them here, in hopes it will help in some small way.

    What happens when we drop one of “the Es”? 

    • At a higher level, what does it mean that Adam and Dave’s great work on the Wealth/Finance/Markets leg is being relocated or removed? Can we still link these perspectives in, at critical moments? How can we do this in a fair way?
    • “What about the intercetion of the 3E's?  Things don't make sense until you put all three together.  Meaning one of the E's can't really go it's own way.” (travissidelinger)

     

    Okay...there’s so much that could be included here and I could go on, and on, but time to work on other things for now.  Onward, kindred resilience seekers!

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 10:37am

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    coh - My actual position

    Note how my response to her claim that he was vaccinated was "Maybe not".  I understand it doesn't prove anything, but it does raise doubt.  My mom came up with another plausible scenario.  He got the vaccine, but his arm didn't actually hurt. The empathy he gave to and received from people whose arm did hurt when they got the vaccine would support his goals for the interview.  All are plausible scenarios, but which is more likely?  Hard to say because it's such a unique situation. And of course, touching the correct arm later could have been because of a 'holy sh-t, I touched the wrong arm!" moment.

    Please don't make assumptions.  I do my very best to be a rational person who understands what a particular piece of evidence does and does not prove.  I think I do a decent job at that.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 11:26am

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    Czech Republic and Ivermectin

    Czech Republic was one of the first EU countries to start using Ivermectin.

    Hopefully this trend continues for them and was a result of using IVM and not just lockdowns (as this Bloomberg article reports).

    Czech and Polish Cases Slow (5:07 p.m. HK)

    The Czech Republic reported 2,149 new coronavirus infections in the past 24 hours, the second-lowest number since the beginning of the year, after more than a month of the strictest lockdown measures, according to health care ministry data. Still, hospitals remain under pressure, with 6,384 patients treated in Covid-19 wards, according to the data. The total death toll is 26,945.

     

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 11:52am

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    Fauci's arm...

    All of these arguments fail to step back and view this incident in the light of the bigger picture.  Fauci has lied to us.  He was a cheerleader for Remdesevir ("it's a game changer") when it couldn't even show a mortality benefit... meanwhile Zelenko and Raoult were showing 70-80% mortality reduction using early HCQ-based strategies.

    You can think your way.. but I am going to think my way.  My way is to view everything together.  TOGETHER.  BIG PICTURE.  This business of getting stuck on each individual point is non-productive honestly.

    LIKE THIS:  First ever building collapse due to office fires, and at free fall velocity.  Multiple samples of dust tested in different labs showing signs of Iron microspheres, unreacted multilayered engineered material having an energy dispersive XRAY fingerprint of Fe, Al, and O, as well as differential thermal analysis proof of a highly exothermic nature.  Molten steel where there should have been none because neither office furnishing nor kerosene fires can melt steel.  A hole in the pentagon that can be seen in photographs immediately after the 9/11 attack that shows no sign of entry of the most dense part of an aircraft;  The engines.  The amazing case of the pyroplastic earth in Pennsylvania that ate the remains of a crashed aircraft entirely.  Cell phones that worked at 30,000 feet.

    One could argue each point on and on.. and they do.. but when you step back you see the picture more clearly.  Too many coincidences in the same direction.  As with above... really, none of the video evidence from the pentagon to be had to show the "plane" coming in?  Just a coincidence I'm sure.

    Higher level pattern recognition is needed understand what is going on with Covid-19.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 12:08pm

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    Hans said:

    Today I watched a few videos of Adams new channel. I am glad to see nothing much has changed to the quality of his interviews. I will continue watching it. Knowing about the financial state of the world is also important to prepare for the future, eventhough I don't have much money to invest.

    Thank you Adam for your work at PP. I sure hope you will still be part of this tribe.

    Welcome back Chris. I am looking forward to new videos to watch and articles to read.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 1:15pm

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    Abserfuckinglutly

    👍👍👍👍👍👍

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 1:34pm

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    Spork said:

    Maximum Kudos to both Chris and Adam. Well played on very difficult, shifting terrain.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 1:43pm

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    LBL said:

    >>> "Abserfuckinglutly"

     

    Hey that's my word !

    Except it's spelled "absofvckinglutely", abso-lutely with 2 extra syllables.

     

    America needs a president who can SPELL Abserfuckinglutly.  or absofvckinglutely.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 2:08pm

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    Hey

    Different spelling different owner!

    Anyway, you lot put z’s where S’s should be so what the hell do you know?

     

    😎😎😎😎😎😉

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 2:12pm

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    Dr. Been Link

    Hi QB,

    This is the link I send to people .....It opens up the discussion on alternative vaccines.

     

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 2:50pm

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    Judy said:

    I love your idea!

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 3:46pm

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    Thanks to Adam, Chris & their team

    Glad to hear about both of your plans. Particularly interested in how you will deflect the BigTech bots. Looking forward to the future.

     

    Joe

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 4:00pm

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    Buddhism asserts everything is impermanent.

    I imagine that when Chris & Adam teamed up the intention was to give a holistic panorama of of the phenomena recognised as 'Peak Prosperity'

    both with a similar outlook but different yet complimentary fields of speciality they could provide a comprehensive overview,

    but nothing is permanent, the 2020's are not the 2010's

    if one hemisphere of Peak Prosperity could imperil the whole through the thought crime of being too curious for the status quo to tolerate then some action has to be taken, in this way the external shift in attitudes can be offset and the risk mitigated,

    this seperation is really the erection of a risk firewall between the two hemispheres,

    to me it seems prudent and rational, I'm glad you took the time to think it through and came to such a sensible solution.

    I've always appreciated both of your insights, my only regret is lacking the personal wealth to optimally use Adam's insights but I've still been able to work on my other forms of capital using Chris's insights,

    although  now seperated by circumstance I will always think of you as both connected by a shared ethos,

     

    live long and prosper,

    Matt.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 4:34pm

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    The most important conversation to have

    ...is the one with yourself. Ive already discussed this with myself and Ive decided that I will never voluntarily get the jab, no matter what. I dont really need to talk or debate with anyone else because the matter is settled.

    The reason I am refusing isnt scientific or out of concern for whats in the needle [ although that does factor in ]. Im refusing because I can clearly see the workings of totalitarianism behind this façade. This has nothing to do with a virus and nothing to do with public safety.

    I believe that every American citizen has a duty to be somewhat ungovernable. Its downright unpatriotic, anti-American, and despicable to go along with this in my book.  Sometimes people with my mentality are a liability to society but more often we are a saving grace. We all need a healthy percentage of stubborn, non-comformist Brushhogs in this country to counterbalance the Karens that seem to always get their way lately.

    So the buck stops here. The irresistible force is about to meet the immovable object. I will not comply. That is a constant, around which the universe will have to revolve.

    " I perceive that, when an acorn and a chestnut fall side by side, the one does not remain inert to make way for the other, but both obey their own laws, and spring and grow and flourish as best they can, till one, perchance, overshadows and destroys the other. If a plant cannot live according to its nature, it dies; and so a man. -HD Thoreau"

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 6:24pm

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    Entirely predictable

    Once C19 becomes endemic a yearly vaccine is entirely predictable.    Hence the right choice would be or have been to go at it with all urgency with IVM and vaccine.

    That horse may have left the barn already, with big pharma now lining up to make yearly billions from the yearly re-up.   At least ive heard some of the captured audio showing their plans for this already.

    At some point there may be a really significant (virulant and deadly)  mutation of c19 and we wont be so quick to dismiss any vaccine that can be made available.  Mrna may prove to be 'miraculous' in that situaiton.  To that extent, im hoping it proves as promising as it seems to be at the moment.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 7:00pm

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    Reply to Quercus (post 98)

    Please don't make assumptions. I do my very best to be a rational person who understands what a particular piece of evidence does and does not prove. I think I do a decent job at that.

    Sorry Quercus, that was sloppy editing/writing on my part to combine my direct response to your post on Fauci with a comment based on what someone else had written about brainwashing. No slight intended.

    That said...I find it quite ironic to see people here bragging about how smart they are and referring to non-PP members as a "cult" or being brainwashed. As a relative newcomer/outsider, I think perhaps people here should take a look in the mirror. I see far too many searching out alternative views without really questioning those views or considering other explanations or whether there are any disqualifying motives behind those views. It's very easy to fall into that trap on either side of the covid/vaccination issue. Or any issue, for that matter.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 7:34pm

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    Primary Care_MD said:

    I first learned of your website / youtube videos in April 2020.

    Chris, your coverage of Covid was the BEST, BY FAR, of any news source I have ever come across. I'm sure you have saved thousands of lives, by getting the message out re: Vitamin D, HCQ, IVM. Likewise, the FLCCC has been amazing. But the USGov would have drowned them out entirely, if not for your brave efforts to amplify their message. I have missed hearing your comments over the past 3 months, but political censorship is making it harder and harder for honest journalists to speak freely. It feels like Germany,  1933.

    Adam, I greatly appreciate your efforts as well. Over the past few months I have learned so much critically important information from your interviews. Ted Siedle and Stephanie Pomboy were two of my favorites.

    I, like many of your subscribers, turn to Peak Prosperity for the 'real' story, because I know the msm has turned into a Soviet-style propaganda outlet over the past year. That is unsettling. Big changes are ahead. But what? And when? How to survive?

    I hope you both continue to produce the excellent content that we all have come to depend on you for!

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 8:00pm

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    Primary Care_MD said:

    I can't get my friends, also MDs, to simply look at the evidence from FLCCC (which is compelling). I wanna ask them, "when/why did you become so in-curious?" But I'd probably lose them as friends.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 8:29pm

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    Get Political and I'll drop you like a hot rock.

    Hey Boys!

    Well, what a relief to get the straight story. Ok, here's the deal. Chris, we met in 2019 at Sebastopol. My father had just died, and I had discovered the Crash Course slightly after. It helped me immensely in dealing with a substantial inheritance in a thoughtful, intentional way. I made my four kids watch the Crash Course, before disbursement, and it was spark to us for many useful family discussions, even to this day. Adam, I had the pleasure of meeting you then too, and your thoughtful deliberations continue to benefit me to this day.

    I AVIDLY watch your presentations, Adam, refer people, to them. Chris, your COVID presentations were just invaluable when I temporarily closed my small business, evaluated the research, and then thoughtfully reopened again, armed with reason and the Marik protocol for each staff member.

    I can't thank you two enough, and happily pay my subscription, and will do so with you too, Adam.

    That said, I simply cannot encourage you enough to keep your politics out of your presentations. Or, if you must, continue with the "A pox on BOTH their houses!" as Chris was fond of saying. Adam, I have heard clearly from you an even handed disdain for the irrational monetary policies WHERE EVER they appear.

    I am a political watcher, and am completely overwhelmed by the insanity on both sides of the aisle. I would plead with you to continue your data and issue focused presentations. I count on you two for this.

    I also practice what I preach. I am a pro life, feminist, Christian, pro small business libertarian, and if I can leave my bias at the door, anyone can .

    It's just so refreshing to be able to hear your presentations without having to sift through any bias, so I would plead with you to keep that particular aspects of your presentations intact, and I'll be with you for the duration.

    With much affection for you both!

     

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 8:34pm

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    coh said:

    I can't get my friends, also MDs, to simply look at the evidence from FLCCC (which is compelling). I wanna ask them, "when/why did you become so in-curious?" But I'd probably lose them as friends.

    That is so disappointing to hear. What do you think it is...too many patients/too little time, fear of stepping outside the box (lawsuits etc)? Something else?

    I saw my GP in early December for a physical. Asked if he was familiar with ivermection for covid, he said no. Handed him about the first 10 pages of the EVMS protocols, he said he'd look at it. No idea if he did or if he would even consider it. At the time he didn't think covid was a big deal - most people survive just fine,  no one in our practice has died from it, etc. That may have changed in the past 4 months but I suspect he still wouldn't prescribe it.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 8:44pm

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    I agree coh

    It's easy to get lost in the weeds on either side of the issue.  I've seen quite a few people uncritically accept a given perspective because it somehow meets a deep emotional need to do so or simply fits a deeply ingrained world view.  I have certainly done so myself at times.

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 9:46pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

    OK, here is my wish for PP 2.0:

    I've always thought Chris gave most of his best analysis away for free and paying the monthly was more about supporting him than the additional value behind the paywall.   I hope that doesn't come across wrong because what I'm saying is that Chris is guilty of being "too generous".

    But now that we are (maybe) going "full paywall" and because the current censorship is happening, I hope we will get "Chris: Both Barrels" this time around.

    I know Chris as a straight shooter, but there is no way he so quickly caught on to the Big Pharma games related to Remdesivir, HCQ and Ivm as a pure outsider.  He left a pharma company in a previous life.

    I want to know the inside scoop.   I don't need to see his tax returns or know the names of people, but I want to know how that industry works.   You can see Dr Kory very carefully explaining things in a way fit for public consumption too.  You can see that he knows the games being played but can't fight the whole system at once.

    Furthermore (while I'm making demands), I want expert guests to bring this kind of analysis for every line of business and bureaucracy I will ever encounter.

    I wanna know why the people who call me a climate change denier are selling me plastic snow-shovels that break every two months.   I wanna know how industry so totally captured the "online product review" system that should have given consumers the upper hand over marketer wanketeering.

     

    Most of all, I just want to be a dude living his life in a crazy time making better decisions because I have relevant salient information.   I already understand why that information is usually not available so I know I want that "second order thinking" that gives me an edge in a world dominated by crazy events.

    Is that too much to ask?

     

    Oh and dark humor too.  Really sick twisted stuff that makes me realize how good I have it in this life.

     

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  • Sun, Apr 04, 2021 - 9:46pm

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    sounds good

    Glad it's *mostly* worked out, that speaks to the maturity of Chris, Adam and whoever else is involved.

    Will happily stay a paying member of PP, it's worth it. Subscribed to Adam's youtube channel, it's very well done stuff, but probably aimed at someone with more investable income than myself I think.

    re: the vaccine, I reluctantly got my 2nd moderna shot this past week, although I continue to defend people who don't want to in conversations with pro-vaxxers at work. For me the line is my 15 year old daughter, we'll hold off at least a year minimum but hopefully longer before we'd expose her to one of the vaccines.

    I know Chris came out with evidence about the Wuhan Lab Leak months ago, but I'm glad to see consideration of this idea percolating into the MSM. I saw Bret Weinstein talking about this on the Hill with Krystal and Saager; Weinstein is always such an intelligent, logical and low key thinker, a pleasure to watch.

    Laughed out loud at the suggestion (many posts back) that there should be joint custody of DaveFairtex. Or maybe you could work out a fractional reserve system?

     

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 12:18am

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    CrLaan said:

    E84: Is Our Work Ethic Dead?

    think it was this podcast about getting rid of ‘investors’ and subcontractors.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 12:32am

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    CrLaan said:

    re: the vaccine, I reluctantly got my 2nd moderna shot this past week, although I continue to defend people who don't want to in conversations with pro-vaxxers at work.

    do I want to know this kind of personal info? No.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 12:41am

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    possible forum template

    Here is a template. I know nothing of the background, or how it works. But, after being a member and posting for 7 years I know these features work well.

    --very searchable by member, key word, subject, etc and you can add tags (any member can add tags once the posting is made) --but you don't need tags to have a good search result

    --has long list of recent threads/topics (endless actually) and you can bring up "recent posts" or go by categories.

    --very smooth in operation, fast loading

    --easy to edit or quote from others embedded in your reply

    --easy to flag a new thread as "spam" by any member

    --easy to use PM system where you can invite one or more members in on the conversation

    --I personally would ditch the "like" button, since this only fuels addictive behavior

    --very easy to track responses to your posts, either with email notifications or not, since one tab when signed in is "watched threads."

    I believe it is purchasable template, because I've seen it somewhere else.

    Some folks here might dig this content too because it is about addressing chronic pain (and other symptoms) using our minds and emotional intelligence instead of the medical industrial system.

    https://www.tmswiki.org/forum/

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 12:48am

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    Really see the integrety in both Adam and Chris

    Thank you both for the hard work. When I listen to you guys, I get your honesty and hard work, and the "love" for others. I was a school teacher for a long time, and when I see what you do, and think of teaching ---any work with people really, this ethic of caring and honesty is core. It is a teaching for those who see, a passing along of societal values from one generation to the next. This is precious!

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 3:27am

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    How bad was it?

    So, what info was censored?

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 3:57am

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    Where is Ision on this Post?

    Hear, Hear (cup banging on table).  Excellent response Jim.  No doubt we are living through an extremely well orchestrated, coordinated, planned and deployed operation.  I feel like we got punked by China with tacit approval of the insiders.  Really, does anything leave China without China's permission - like all those videos?

    As for COH, anyone volunteering to be a test subject without knowing they are volunteering to be a test subject is less intelligent:  meaning easily taken advantage of.

    As for Fauci.... well I've nicknamed him F-ckFaceFauci.  I hate that man and want to see him prosecuted for crimes against humanity and sentenced to death, and I don't support the death penalty - at least not for Mainstreeters.

    Is Ision still around?  What say you to Jim's post?

     

     

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 4:13am

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    Stopped Traveling by plane after TSA

    I don't travel by plane and stopped after enduring the lines and the searches, the privacy invasion.  So, I've been boycotting ever since.  Ditto for  cell  phones.  I'm probably the only attorney in the whole country that does not own a cell phone.   I  refuse to be the "product" and pay through the nose for the "privilege."   I will not support a company that sells my private information to others.

    And don't get me started on big pharma and the vaccine industry..........

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 4:47am

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    Why

    Did you feel the need to say that? Expressing myself to a group familiar with the issues i face is a reason I come here.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 5:00am

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    Taking Stock

    You've brought up many issues here, and I may be able to address some of them.

    First, what happened with FLCC and Ivermectin.  Please people correct me if I'm wrong.  After Dr. Kory's testimony, the NIH begrudgingly removed its recommendation against Ivermectin, but has since reversed again and now recommends against it.  I was having a debate with a fellow lawyer and Hare Krsna who let me know the NIH reversed its position on Ivermectin.  The problem:  if there is an effective treatment, like Ivermectin, then TPTB could not roll out an experimental vaccine under "emergency use authorization"  because EUA is only granted when there is no other treatment available.  Ergo, we know why HCQ and Ivermectin have been demonized and politicized.

    As for our future if vaccination is used to marginalize the unvaccinated, I see a nomadic, transient future ahead.   I have witnessed first hand how some folks are choosing to live and that is on other people's land for as long as they can.  It's not legal to live in a travel trailer for than 6 months in any given travel trailer hook up camp.  6 months is the limit.

    On private property in Alachua County, it's 7 days.  No one, not even the home owner,  can live in a travel trailer more than 7 days on your own five acre lot in Alachua County, unless you're building a house.

    As for how we'll all get through this, I feel particularly  blessed.  I am surrounded with helpful people who are all on the same page as I am.  Not one of my children wants to get vaccinated.  I raised them, for the most part, without vaccination.  Former vaxxer, here.   I may have one close friend who will take the vaccine, the rest will not.   I am very blessed in this department.  I know most people are in a different boat in regards to the vaccine.

    I cannot comment on how all these likeminded people ended up together in my world.  It was not planned.  I do pray a lot, though.

    As for opting out of coercion.   What is happening across the country is that certain personality types, young and old, skilled and unskilled are living essentially illegally on private properties by the goodwill of the property owner.   Some property owners run Wolfing centers where folks camp out and work the gardens/farms.  Others are trying their hands at developing intentional communities.   Some groups will make camp in national forests.

    All of these living situations are illegal in most places, so unfortunately these people cannot put down roots and have to move around.

    I have a lawyer friend working at UF who says the environment is toxic to white males.  He is  a white male but you could not find a more liberal guy.  It's been uncomfortable for him.  Would like to know more about what you're going through in higher ed.

    As for what to do so we don't lose it, that is an individual path.  I rely on exercise (started after the survey), getting sunshine much more regularly, calendaring recreational trips and following through, keep prepping, and my sadhana (spiritual practices).

    With Adam starting Wealthion and Chris keeping PP, I don't think we're going to lose one of the "E's."   With more inflation coming our way, there are limited ways to preserve your wealth and purchasing power no matter if you're wealthy or not:  exchange your currency for hard assets.

    For the little guy that means saving $30/month in silver or investing in fruit trees, for the big guy that means buying a port or a railroad.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 5:18am

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    Shouldn’t they feel safe even if I am not vaccinated?

    MarkM: “My wife has a women's group that met once a month before the "pandemic". She was in on a group text last week and one member wrote, "I will be so glad when we are all vaccinated and can get together again. Everybody has been vaccinated, right?"”

    Mark, this almost exact same thing happened to my spouse except it wasn’t a question. It was as soon as you’re vaccinated, we can all get together. My thought is if they are all vaccinated and therefore they feel safe, what does it matter if we are vaccinated? Aren’t we the ones at risk? I really appreciate your or anyone’s thoughts on this or experience with it. Thank you!

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 5:35am

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    Curious why you would take the vaccine given everything Chris has dug up for us?

    I want to ask the question to PP members.  Given what Chris has presented re WEF, Gain of Function, censorship, safe treatments for Covid (IVM) and everything else crazy in 2020, what drives a PP member to take the "Vaccine"?  I am very curious.  I would like to know if there are datapoints or alternative science that has driven you to make a decision of this nature.  I am actually shocked and would like to know your thoughts if you would share.... curious minds.   Thanks!

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 5:52am

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    Shouldn’t they feel safe even if I am not vaccinated?

    Yes of course but logical arguments, scientific data, and rational discourse are irrelevant. They are going to try to force you, by whatever means at their disposal, to get vaccinated. It doesnt matter how good your arguments are or how much science or logic you present. This is a power struggle. The more outlandish their position the better if they can get you to agree to it...the more absolute your surrender.

    They are telling you 2 + 2 = 5....you'll say 5 or they're going to persecute you and they'll keep on persecuting you until you say 5 or until one of you is dead. Once you say 5 they have you defeated forever.

    Its a waste of time appealing to those who agree with you that 2 + 2 is actually 4.  We know, thats the point. Better to discuss strategies for how we can resist the assault.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 6:52am

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    Because 1984 had a happy ending?

    It may be the path of least resistance. But winning the victory over yourself gives true peace to some...

    "But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

     

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 7:28am

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    BH

    You answered your question and I agree completely. These people cannot be reasoned with. Mental and physical energy will be best spent on, as you stated, resisting the assault. I see many in my circle, some who previously told me they would not be vaccinated, giving in. They always have some excuse or are being coerced by family, peers, etc. It is not that they have changed their perspective on the shot, but that they cannot resist the pressure.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 7:37am

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    National debt

    I realize this is probably ill timed as the economic E appears to be given over to Adam at Wealthion.  But, world renowned economist (sarc) John Oliver does a masterful job of describing the history of the national debt over the last 40 years that I have been paying attention, whereas PP has gotten it wrong over the past 13 years I have been paying attention.  To be fair, as Oliver describes, even the brightest economists can't really explain how these things work.  Nonetheless, the current $28 trillion national debt has built up while interest rates have gone down to rock bottom.  It's a mystery, but one well worth thinking about.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 7:45am

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    MountainBlues said:

    I'm afraid you are right. My prediction is they will say, "But we are still supposed to wear masks and social distance because even though it is 95% effective [ummmm on a relative, not absolute basis] we could still get it and DIEEEEEE!" [monster head slap to my own forehead]

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 8:21am

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    MarkM said:

    A comedy sketch couched in the left/right paradigm to explain an adult problem. Our problems are no longer driven by red/blue, but by criminals at the highest level.

    This guy says it is prudent to use debt to build productive assets, e.g. factories, and then talks about welfare programs. Sorry, I can't see the likeness. Not that some social programs are not necessary, but most are not building productive assets. If they were, LBJ's Great Society would have been a success.

     

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 8:30am

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    In reply to Hladini (124), Crlaan (121) David Henry (119) and Pipyman (127)

    >>> So what info was censored. How bad is it?

    Hladini, not to be a dick but it's all in the string I pointed you at. In regard to how bad it is/was, obviously you'll have to reach your own conclusion. I didn't like it at all.

    >>> do I want to know this kind of personal info? No.

    CrLaan, huh? What was too personal about DH telling us he got vacc'ed? I agree with Pipyman, it's half the reason I come here. And David Henry's info in regard to his daughter was very insightful to me. Keep it coming DH.

    I currently follow the I-MASK protocol minus the IVM but I do have IVM ready to go. So far I'm fighting off the pressure from family & friends and I don't waste any energy on people that aren't open to different views. Every day that goes by gives more info about the disease and the vaccs.

     

     

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 8:53am

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    for Hladini, Dave's censored post

    Hladini @ #124

    Dave's censored post was reissued by whoknew79 in "The Investors", post #72, substituting initials for names. It is still there. Find the forum under the "more" selection in the forums' list. It is around Pg 3. You can check out the references yourself.

    I'm among the people here wondering who gets custody of ethically open master sleuth Dave Fairtex. I prefer not to loose him.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 9:07am

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    Mark M

    Well, you can try to politicize it all you want, but there is no denying he got the numbers right.  Argue with the data.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 9:11am

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    Re Curious why you would take the vaccine given everything Chris has dug up for us?

    My prediction: Chris will post an article along the lines of "Why I am not getting a Covid vaccine...but maybe you should." Premium content. Inside: If you are over 70 with two or more comorbidities. If he posts something like that, I will sign up for paid sub. I need to know where he stands.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 9:20am

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    Ditto

    I can't wait to hear Chris' POV on the V

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 9:22am

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    In reply to Hladini (#128)

    >>> Please people correct me if I'm wrong.  After Dr. Kory's testimony, the NIH begrudgingly removed its recommendation against Ivermectin, but has since reversed again and now recommends against it.  I was having a debate with a fellow lawyer and Hare Krsna who let me know the NIH reversed its position on Ivermectin.

    Hladini, the NIH changed it's recommendation once since Dr. Kory's Senate testimony - from "not recommended for C19" to "neither for nor against for C19" and I can't find anything about another change. You might want to ask your fellow lawyer for sources.

    https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/

     

     

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 9:30am

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    dark humo(u)r

    You wrote:

    Is that too much to ask? Oh and dark humor too.  Really sick twisted stuff that makes me realize how good I have it in this life.

    Is this allowed on the site? I've been holding back.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 9:49am

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    I'm so happy it was not your health or the health of your family

    I was worried about you or your family. Thanks for the update. Stay Gold Ponyboy

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 9:52am

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    Doug

    Umm, typical response. The entire video is political and yet I am the one politicizing. Right. He speaks repeatedly of "Republicans". My comment has no mention of political sides. In fact, I claim just the opposite, that our problems are not red/blue.

    Maybe you could kindly point to the "politicization" I am guilty of. It was a short comment, it shouldn't take long.

    He might "have the numbers right", but to state that debt to build productive assets is comparable to debt to fund many of our social programs couldn't be farther off the mark. The "numbers" just don't support that conclusion.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 9:54am

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    RandomMike said:

    Loose him or lose him?

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 10:01am

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    Sort of a reversal

    So, it's not recommended for or against.  Got it.  Thanks.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 10:26am

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    MarkM

    C'mon, quit trying to drag me down rabbit holes.  Oliver accurately portrayed the accumulation of debt and under whose administrations it was built up, or paid down, as the case may be.

    The question in my mind is why we haven't seen runaway inflation or economic collapse while both have been predicted loudly and repeatedly for four decades now, particularly on this site for the past 13 years.  What is actually happening and why?

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 10:31am

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    Well said...

    A comment about this element of wotthecurtains' statement with personal gender alterations, because I will always use gender specific pronouns when I am aware of gender, which is sometimes more difficult than others.

    <<Most of all, I just want to be a dude(ette) living his (her) life in a crazy time making better decisions because I have relevant salient information.   I already understand why that information is usually not available so I know I want that "second order thinking" that gives me an edge in a world dominated by crazy events.>>

    I think wotthecurtains' statement sums it up for me.  This is the "Why?" of Peak Prosperity. For me, it's the most basic and important aspect of Peak Prosperity. and what makes it valuable to me. Knowledge gained here allows me to step outside the fray with more confidence and clarity.  I have gained information that has allowed me to move a few steps ahead of the thundering herd. I gain insight from every post, whether I agree or not.  IMHO, this is the only site on the internet that is worth paying for.

    We don't know what we don't know until someone offers up the spark of information that we need to explore the idea.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 10:39am

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    why to vaccine?

    I want to ask the question to PP members. Given what Chris has presented re WEF, Gain of Function, censorship, safe treatments for Covid (IVM) and everything else crazy in 2020, what drives a PP member to take the "Vaccine"? I am very curious. I would like to know if there are datapoints or alternative science that has driven you to make a decision of this nature. I am actually shocked and would like to know your thoughts if you would share.... curious minds.

    Thanks!

    Tough question, but here is some of my thinking as I have helped a senior with this question:

    --with ages over 60 or so, chance of death about 1% on average, up to 10% for age 90, according to some databases. That is average, with common health issues and probably no FLCCC protocols.

    --If one ends up in a hospital or care facility (not uncommon at the older ages after a fall or ??, then the medical care (such as FLCCC protocols) is essentially  out of your hands, and into the hands of the institution. So with any kind of emergency, you're exposed to high risk setting, with poor prophylaxis.  Yes, maybe you can get a lawyer for IVM in time, maybe not.

    --At age 90, expected life is not that many years so trade-offs with future complications like ADE are not as acute as say a 50 year old.

    --As my Naturopath rightfully decries: there is not any good data on "if you're this age, and you have these health conditions, then if you use (IVM, Vit D at x levels, Melatonin, etc) then we can expect about these ___ outcomes. In other words CDC nor Universities have given us any good data on these. I have heard from a physician in India that with 60 to 100 nl Vit D that most can get Covid and almost not even know they have it. But where are the studies with specific outcomes for specific ages and conditions.

    --No long-term studies on safety/side effects of weekly or bi-monthly IVM use.

    Not saying to VAX up. Just saying these are some of my thinking for an older person.

     

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 10:46am

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    CrLaan said:

    I’m going to reread Scott Nearing......

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 10:52am

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    AndrewOregon

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-vaccine/art-20484859

     

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 11:19am

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    Why I took the vac

    If you can start a thread, im happy to explain why I took the vac even after understanding IVM and potential downsides of vac.

     

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 11:41am

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    Andrew OR..

    I am might be close to you in the Vancouver, WA area.

    You said,

    No long-term studies on safety/side effects of weekly or bi-monthly IVM use.

    I don't think this is really true.  For it's use in, for instance, African nations fighting parasitic diseases, it is given very long term in infrequent dosing (I need to research how infrequent - the FLCCC protocol may call for more dosing that is really necessary).  As I have published several times on this website, when you look at the Covid-19 mortality statistics and compare them for African countries that have WHO-based community Ivermectin programs vs those that don't, as stunning difference becomes apparent.  This ends up being a testament to the efficacy of low and infrequent Ivermectin vs Covid-19.  People have rights to their own bodies... as far as I am concerned they should have the right to choose Vax or (IVM/HCQ) prophylaxis, or simply their natural immunity.

     

     

     

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 12:06pm

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    I think the vaccine makes a lot of sense for 60+

    Conversely I think anyone of child bearing age (or younger) should avoid the vaccine.

    There are vaccines we give to older people( pneumonia, shingles, flu) that we don’t give to those who are younger why should this be any different?

    Life is all about risk vs reward.  When you are young the Covid risk is low and the vaccine risk is high.  When you are old the Covid risk is high and the vaccine risk is lower (sterility isn’t an issue).

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 12:56pm

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    Where's the Inflation?

    Doug wrote

    The question in my mind is why we haven't seen runaway inflation or economic collapse while both have been predicted loudly and repeatedly for four decades now, particularly on this site for the past 13 years.  What is actually happening and why?

    Part One

    Here are three answers for that question, interconnected:

    1. Monetary stimulus (originated at the Federal Reserve) mostly goes almost directly into the pockets of high net worth individuals who then park that money in assets. It's what drives up the prices of luxury goods and equities. Since it doesn't circulate across the economy, it has near-zero volatility; hence no measurable effect on the cost of living of the average Jane and Joe Mainstreet. It just pumps the nominal value of rich people's portfolios and possessions.

    2. The limited monetary stimulus that does trickle down to Main Street affects the price of consumer goods. However, the cost of producing many consumables has been steadily decreasing over the last 40 years. Lower cost of production means prices for many goods could decrease (which would make each dollar purchase more), except that the surplus dollars trickling into the system offset that deflationary trend. It is this battle between production-caused deflation on one hand and excess dollar-caused inflation on the other hand keeps the official rate of inflation around 1 or 1.5%.

    3. The official government calculations of inflation (CPI) is based on periodic sampling of the prices of a basket of common consumer goods. That basket is periodically revised. One effect of that revision is that we don't have an accurate measure of inflation over time. You cannot, for example, compare the official rate of inflation from 1980 and 2000 and 2020. In each of those years, a different basket was used, making a direct comparison impossible.

    Additionally, the vast majority of the items in those baskets are items whose prices are positively affected by the production gains I mentioned in #2. That produces a downward pressure on price inflation that comes from being selective about what to include in the basket at any particular time in history. At the same time, what is removed from the basket are items that are, over time, showing the impact of inflation.

    And thirdly, items that people really want and need are excluded from all baskets. For example, what most people want and need is good food, healthcare, homes to own or rent, gasoline for their cars and oil for their winter heaters, and higher education for their children. (We can all do without the latest, cheaper but more powerful iphone; we cannot do without food and shelter.) Those are areas where the real impact of inflation is evident, but it is not officially tracked. So even though rent, for example, has climbed from about 20% of income 40 years ago (when I rented) to a third of one's income when my kids rented, to a half or more today, officially there is no significant inflation in the economy. Ditto for food, gasoline, healthcare expenses, and university tuition, among other things.

    Lesson: You only get what you look for; the government looks for items to measure that can blithely and untruthfully make a case that there is little to no inflation despite all of the dollars pumped into the system since 2008.

    Part Two

    1. Money generated by the Federal Reserve and spread through large financial houses to corporations and high net worth individuals is known as monetary stimulus. That's what I was talking about in Part One. Notice that monetary stimulus in recent decades is made available to large institutions at zero or near zero interest rates: it's essentially free money that's handed to those who already have plenty. They, in turn, lend it to their best customers at very slightly higher interest rates - making the first users of that money beneficiaries of lower interest rates than you and I will ever see. The further down the economic ladder that money travels, the higher the interest rate to the borrower, because everyone in the chain is taking their percentage. The poorest borrowers - Jane and Joe Mainstreet - pay the highest rate of interest on what started out as free money for the uber-wealthy and highly connected.

    2. Money added to the budget because of Congressional action is known as fiscal stimulus. It can be given out to Joe and Jane Mainstreet either as tax rebates and offsets, or as "helicopter money," like the recent 3 stimulus checks we've been handed since the Covid lockdown. That money - whether it's borrowed to offset tax benefits or to pay directly into citizen bank accounts - has to be borrowed into existence from the Federal Reserve, therefore it carries a real interest rate. Joe and Jane don't have extra money, but are living paycheck to paycheck, so unlike rich Morris and Mavis, Joe and Jane will spend their stimulus checks on consumables (food, gasoline, rent, clothes).

    Morris and Mildred's Fed-direct monetary stimulus was parked long term in assets. It has no volatility. Joe and Jane's Congress-direct fiscal stimulus is put into motion. Depending on how quickly they turn those dollars into consumables, the velocity of that money will rise off of zero more or less quickly. The more times it turns over in the economy, the more it causes inflation - because it's now more dollars chasing the same amount of goods at a growing rate of turn-over. When more dollars chase the same amount of goods, especially at increasing volume, it increasingly takes more dollars to buy each good. We think of that as prices increasing, but actually it's purchasing power decreasing due to a glut in dollars circulating through the economy at a faster and faster rate.

    (When the Fed gets around to increasing interest rates because inflation is running higher than they like, that will be to sop up some of those extra dollars - because the more you have to pay in interest rates the less you have available to spend on consumables. That slows volatility, hence lowers the rate of inflation.)

    Part Three:

    The expectation of many economists has been that the three stimulus checks will cause inflation, making it even harder for Joe and Jane to make ends meet. Several things have prevented that, at least so far.

    1. Joe and Jane used the initial check(s) to pay down credit balances. That was smart of them because Americans are, on average, dangerously in debt and many are at risk of bankruptcy. From a policy standpoint, however, it was a disaster because it did not stimulate consumption.

    2. The Covid lockdown has had the effect of drastically idling spending. We don't consume gas, take-out or sit-in meals, entertainment venues, travel lodging, or transportation services like we used to; we don't even get our hair cut or nails trimmed.

    3. Many renters have been excused from paying rent; students don't have to repay student loans, etc. As a result, dollars that would have been spent on rent, loan repayments, etc., are not circulating in those circles, depressing the rental unit owners, staff and contract companies for student loan processing, etc. Where those dollars are being spent is a question that needs better exploration. On the face of it, I'd say some of it is going to food, which is subject to inflationary pressure. We're also seeing used car prices rise dramatically with nary a peep from retail buyers who seem willing to pay whatever increase is asked - perhaps they're replacing or adding cars with money not being spent on rent and loans. (I'm speculating; I haven't seen data or narrative explaining these correlations.)

    Aside: Some observers have argued that governments don't want to release citizens from Covid lockdowns too quickly for fear of massive consumption binges that would put a lot of sidelined stimulus cash into high velocity. Phased opening and release from lockdown might be the strategy, to moderate the potential spike in inflation. Maybe. I don't know, but it's not inconceivable, sadly. It makes economic sense, if not ethical.

    The government will provide more fiscal stimulus checks because one trend is clear: the month stimulus is released into the populace, and the month after, consumption returns toward pre-Covid normal. But in the month(s) following, consumption drops back to dangerously low levels. Apparently, as long as people don't have jobs, they don't spend unless the government hands them money. Go figure.

    And because so many small businesses have been destroyed by the lockdown, it's going to take multiple years to re-create a healthy economy. In the interim, fiscal stimulus will be necessary to both prevent the economy from caving in on itself, and keep people eating and housed.

    I think UBI has arrived, and is here to stay - at least until the rising load that's threatening the whole economic edifice hits its load limit and the dollar crashes.

    We think that's not possible because the dollar is the strongest national currency in the world. True; but all that means is it's the best floater in the toilet bowl. Sooner or later they're all going to get flushed. Some are flushing now. The dollar will eventually. The declining interest of other countries in purchasing US debt (government bonds) suggests that day might come a lot sooner than most Americans are awake enough to realize.

     

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 1:04pm

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    2retired said:

    vaccines for those over 60? in 6 months it may be more obvious; the noravac product is better in its science, but not yet out of its preliminary trials.

    If you use the flu vaccine as a model, it demonstrates its lack of rigorous examination; the repeated use of the flu vaccine makes you more vulnerable to new stains, does not prevent infection or transmission and it's effective targeting spotty at best. less than 50% of healthcare providers get it unless coerced by management, even then it is hard to get it above 85%; tetanus, 100% no problem.  All vaccines are not equally effective, safe, or worth the (usually small) risk. No one wants to compare the flu vaccine to adequate vit D supplementation, wonder why. The rise in covid19 case numbers in jurisdictions with high vaccine penetration (cases and mortality should be dropping more than areas that are not vaccinated) are enough to give me pause. It is most marked with countries adopting the Sinovac product but the trend may also be there for Pfizer's product.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 1:50pm

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    Agree with the basic idea

    However, given that over 70 year olds with 2 comorbidities still only have around a 2.75% chance of dying if they are symptomatic, I’m certainly not convinced all elderly people should get a jab. And that of course is before taking into account IVM and Vit D.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 2:14pm

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    Runaway inflation

    The government will provide more fiscal stimulus checks because one trend is clear: the month stimulus is released into the populace, and the month after, consumption returns toward pre-Covid normal. But in the month(s) following, consumption drops back to dangerously low levels. Apparently, as long as people don't have jobs, they don't spend unless the government hands them money. Go figure.

    The repuglicans are going to fight this tooth and nail, so dems will have to deal with it by eliminating the fillibuster. And they will do it. It is literally a matter of life and death.

    Also, the close to 2 trillion (or more. I forget) for building back better will create a LOT of jobs, over the next 10 years.

    Automation helps to curb actual run away inflation too. There's that.

    But yeah, a spike in inflation where it will be running hot, as Wolf Richter describes...like between 4 and 5 %, followed by either higher interest rates to curb it, or it burns itself out after a few months, once pent up demand runs its course.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 2:28pm

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    And what about all that unpaid rent and deferred evictions?

    Renters who can’t afford to pay their rent are being protected from eviction for now, but their bill is still accumulating. Unless more stimulus money is given to them, they’re going to have to pay it all back or file for bankruptcy. Imagine your rent is $1,000/month which is 40% of your monthly income of $2,500. Now imagine when your long-suffering landlord can finally make you pay up, your back rent has become $12,000. If you still have an income of $2,500 (not a certainty at all), how will you pay that $12,000 and  resume paying $1,000/month?  How many renters who haven’t been paying rent and have income, have been saving to eventually pay that back rent bill?

    So, 1) will many thousands of renters be evicted for failure to pay and/or file for bankruptcy? 2) will many thousands of landlords have to sell off their rental properties at fire sale prices or file for bankruptcy? or 3) will the government borrow a couple trillion dollars from the Federal Reserve to pay off all the back rent?

    Quite the dilemma. Printing the money seems like the path of least resistance and therefore the most likely course of action. More inflation, or not?

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 2:35pm

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    Not a vaccine

    Over 70, here.

    The current shots are genetic enhancement, not a vaccine.  They do not stop catching the catching of, or spreading the disease.  We know effective remedies, which a competent person, in good health, can apply to self and family members.   Some of us have made choices, all our lives, to be educated and live a healthy lifestyle.  Not all people over 60 are the same.  I'd rather die of Covid.  My choice.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 2:41pm

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    Doug

    Doug: The question in my mind is why we haven't seen runaway inflation or economic collapse while both have been predicted loudly and repeatedly for four decades now, particularly on this site for the past 13 years.

    I haven't watched the video but I can answer this question; because many people, including many on this site were just flat out wrong.

    Credit inflation is not the same thing as printing money. Credit is self-extinguishing.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 2:54pm

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    Kathy said:

    I agree even for 70+ it is may not be the best choice.

    I guess the point I was trying to make is that IMO it shouldn’t be recommended for those under 60.  Kind of like you wouldn’t think about giving a college kid a shingles vaccine unless there was some extenuating issue.

    I find the trials on children disturbing.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 3:03pm

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    Velocity of money

    As the velocity of money slows [ relative to increase in money supply ], inflation is suppressed. Jim Rickards has a good explanation of this. Debt to GDP has been growing very quickly which demonstrates that the rate of new money creation is outpacing economic activity.

    Velocity of money measures how many times a dollar is turned over within a given period of time. If economic activity is slower than the rate of money supply growth than it creates a bottle neck and those newly printed dollars get stuck in the banks...or funneled into the stocks, corporate funds, or 'non-profit' schemes run by billionaires.

    Bottom line, lots of money is being printed but you and me aint gettin any.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 3:11pm

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    LBL said:

    >>>  I'd rather die of Covid.  My choice.

     

    From what you've said, there is Zero chance of that happening.  Unless it mutates into something more damaging than recent mutations, who have moved along the "virus mutation" graph towards, more infectious.

     

    I can't see any reason to vaccinate older folks.  Unless the goal is to generate more medical industry revenues.

    As is, the CDC/FDA/NIH are saying nothing about Vitamin D & natural ionophores like Quercetin - which is like telling people to eat a little orange peel or banana peel (both great sources of Quercetin) ... or just dark skinned grapes.

    They're deliberately refraining from telling at-risk people how to make themselves less at risk.

    That tells us a LOT about the CDC/FDA/NIH.  

    I read the CDC is not actually a US gov. agency.  It's a 501C3 non-profit, with major pharma companies as donors.  Anybody know ?

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 3:24pm

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    I will give you the time that you need, but the questions will still remain

    Out of 161 comments so far, I have only found 2 0r 3 posts that ask questions of AT and CM. PP.com just went through an incredibly awkward few months. I am surprised that there aren't more questions for these two leaders and I think a few tough questions from the membership is appropriate. Don't get me wrong, I support them; I was the one that was advocating a financial strike to support CM.

    Maybe, it's not the right time. Maybe, CM and AT are incredibly busy right now. I get it. I can be patient, but these questions will still remain.

     

    whoknew79 asked:

    I still have questions.

    Who were the investors? You never really told us.

    What is their business model?

    How does their role inform us regular people about the markets that they are in?

    What other popular websites have financial agreements with the investors?

    Have you signed a nondisclosure agreement associated with the investors? Or between the two of you?

    Who pulled the trigger to censor Dave's original post? Why?

    Why not tell us about this agreement back in late 2019 or 2020?

    I still don't understand fully why Chris went silent. Why did Chris go silent?

    If you could jump back to early February, would you have handled the situation differently?

    Are there ANY other partnerships or financial relationships that aren't public?

    Will Adam continue a financial relationship with the investors?

    What is the purpose of the other LLCs associated with Peak Prosperity? I think several have been around for quite some time.

     

    travissidelinger asked:

    So many questions

    Does this mean we need two subscriptions now?

    Does this mean Chris will not cover any market details, and Adam won't cover anything else?

    Or will there be a gentleman's agreement to cover separate things?

    Will you guys interview each other?

    What about the intercetion of the 3E's?  Things don't make sense until you put all three together.  Meaning one of the E's can't really go it's own way.

    What happens when all this financial stuff gets real, aka "The dollar really starts to loose confidence, and the central banks go all out war on anyone saying otherwise"?  Then what will Adam do?

    What about the yearly PP conferences?

    Who's going to be "Time Cop" now?

    And Who's going to answer email for Chris, because Adam was much better at that?

    Who's going to model the PP tee shirts?

     

    I invite you to think of some good questions for these leaders. I would go so far as to say that it is your job or responsibility. We cannot move past this without fully flushing all of it into the light of the day.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 3:27pm

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    LBL

    Interesting about the CDC.  If true, they are like the Fed.

    I believe I heard on one of Dr. Tenpenny's recent videos, the underwater mortgages are to be held by the CDC.  I haven't checked this out, though.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 3:31pm

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    Susan7 said:

    The CDC is a government regulatory agency. The CDC Foundation is a private entity. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation contributes heavily to it. The conflicts of interest are endless.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 3:37pm

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    Doug, your link

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-vaccine/art-20484859

    Doug's link from the mayo clinic-from the department of salad dressing. Forgive me Doug, whenever I read mayo clinic I think of mayonnaise.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 3:42pm

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    Don’t forget: Economics was invented to make Astrology look respectable

    I’ve been expecting huge inflation since 2009 too, but I’m a mere punter when it comes to economics. But I am STILL expecting the inevitable inflation, even though it always seems just around the next bend but never quite arrives. Yet.

    The way I look at it is that inflation is inevitable and baked into the cake. I compare that to something I do know a lot about: chemical addiction. If a drug addict continues to abuse drugs, the trajectory of their lives is very predictable. Narcotics Anonymous even has a slogan about the addicts future if they don’t stop: “Jails, Institutions and Death.” The exact details are unknowable and the timing is certainly unknown but the general trajectory of a drug addict’s life is predictable (“based on the fundamentals”).

    Do you or have you had any alcoholics or drug addicts in your life? Someone close to you? Did you try warning them that disaster and death were the only things waiting for them ahead on the road they were traveling? I have. Frequently.  And I have been frequently amazed  how long addicts can keep poisoning themselves and surviving the consequences. I know an addict who was driving a friend’s car while high and had a roll over accident. The engine of the compact car broke loose from its mounts and flew through the windshield and out the back of the car. The addict got a nasty cut on his scalp from the motor missile that required 45 stitches to close. Just THAT CLOSE to being decapitated! Did that wake him up and get him into sobriety and recovery? No. I could regale you with more close calls and very negative consequences that all failed to wake him up and get him on the road to recovery, but take my word for it: he went on through a hail of consequences without dying when he should have. Multiple times. He eventually had enough and now has nearly seven years clean. But I can also tell you many more stories in which the addict did eventually die or get a multi decade prison sentence.

    I don’t have an axe to grind or a debating point to prove, but I am sitting on the sidelines expecting the big inflation. When and how big? I’m not sure. But I’m ready. Every day it delays, I’m in better shape. I’ve seen this movie before. I “know” what’s going to happen.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 3:42pm

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    About the CDC foundation

    The CDC and CDC Foundation each have review procedures in place to safeguard against possible conflicts of interest.

    https://www.cdc.gov/about/business/cdcfoun.htm

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 4:05pm

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    How are we going to incentivize people to actually get the vaccine

    The whole video clip is in the article, as well as transcript. It was removed from cnn twitter that I could see.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/cnn-medical-analyst-narrow-window-exists-to-tie-vaccination-status-to-people-getting-freedoms-back

    -I mean, you were mentioning, Chris, about how all these states are reopening. They are reopening at 100 percent.”

    “And we have a very narrow window to tie reopening policy to vaccination status,” Wen added. “Because otherwise, if everything is reopened, then what’s the carrot going to be? How are we going to incentivize people to actually get the vaccine? So that’s why I think the CDC and the Biden administration needs to come out a lot bolder and say, ‘If you’re vaccinated, you can do all these things. Here are all these freedoms that you have,’ because otherwise, people are going to go out and enjoy these freedoms anyway. And I fear a situation of coming into the fall, where we never reach herd immunity,-

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 4:08pm

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    Very True THC

    "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little we know about what we imagine we can design" -FA Hayek

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 4:11pm

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    ??

    They had some **** to sort out, they sorted it. As far as I could tell the content was still great and at no point did anyone sacrifice their or PP’s integrity. So why the anger? Don’t see many others willing to do what Chris has done and continues to do.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 4:17pm

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    VT

    • Wow, there's a lot to unpack there.  It'll take me a couple days to get back to you.  Although JAG gave a pretty good short answer.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 4:39pm

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    Human cockroaches

    With hard core addictions, the magic age is 27. Several famous addicts have died at that age. Keith Moon, Jim Morrison, Amy Winehouse, Janis Joplin.

    If you can make it past that age...and you have money to support your 'lifestyle' you're golden. I mean, look at Keith Richards, the human cockroach. Nothing can kill that guy.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 4:40pm

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    whoknew79 said:

    Pigyman said:

    They had some **** to sort out, they sorted it. As far as I could tell the content was still great and at no point did anyone sacrifice their or PP’s integrity. So why the anger? Don’t see many others willing to do what Chris has done and continues to do.

    Interesting response.

    1.) I think I could make a strong argument that the content suffered. How about this one thought: If the content was great, then we don't need CM around anymore.

    2.) Synonym for integrity: honesty. I would say not disclosing the investors to us would be a form of dishonesty. So, one could argue that integrity was sacrificed. Also, I would say that in the last few months we have seen dishonesty, censorship, and poor communication. I think I could argue that those run a foul of integrity.

    3.) Anger? My post is not about anger. You covered up a curse in your post. That's closer to anger than what I said.

    Do you have a response?

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 5:58pm

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    karenpath said:

    I have been a ChrisMartenson.com and then a PeakProsperity.com member since 2009. In all that time, my connection to this site has been for Chris's insights, and his integration of information into making sense of what was obviously happening to all of us in this world. I am not a follower in the usual sense, but here, I felt there was a consciousness and a leadership that mattered. So, I have been a faithful visitor to this site for the past 12 years. I only rarely post, but I read everything on the website.

    When the pandemic started, I sensed something in Chris had shifted, and after reading the Communication to the Community yesterday, I finally understood what had happened over the past year. Chris is a truth seeker, he will never back down and he will never let any outside influence control him. This is why I am a faithful adherent to his work.

    Chris, I know it must have been incredibly hard for you to go through all you have gone through over the past year..with the shifts in your business and your personal life...and your mission...but this is why you are who you are and why you now know what you now have to do. Do it. It is the right path.

    For a time, I was wondering in an information vacuum if you had decided that you would rather just live your own private life in the company of the beautiful people and things you have chosen to surround yourself with...or, if your silence was due to family circumstances, knowing that you disclosed your eldest daughter's struggle with Stage 4 Hodgkin lymphoma. I hope you will someday share with us how she is doing.

    And, with your silence over the past several months, I have grown fond of and developed a deep respect for Adam's intellect...Adam, thank you for carrying the mantle during this time. You are obviously a man of integrity and intelligence, like Chris, which would help to explain your affiilation.

    I am all in, with this community. Live long and prosper.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 6:12pm

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    Check your sense of entitlement

    whoknew79 wrote:

     I have only found 2 0r 3 posts that ask questions of AT and CM. PP.com just went through an incredibly awkward few months. I am surprised that there aren't more questions for these two leaders and I think a few tough questions from the membership is appropriate.

    Frankly, I don't think it's any of my business. Or yours. Adam and Chris provide a product; you decide if you want to consume it. If you don't like the terms, move on.

    When they can - that is, after the legal stuff is settled, which it ain't yet - I'm confident Chris and Adam will share with us what we need to know that they can legally share and choose to share about what happened (although I think that's been answered already; you just don't like the answer), and about their relationship going forward, and how that impacts upon our subscriptions. They'll do that because that's the kind of people they are; if you don't know that, nothing they say will convince you; you'll always be waiting for some hint they're acting deceitfully. Why put yourself or the site through that? What they can't speak about they won't, and what we don't need to know they won't share, and shouldn't. I surely wouldn't, in their shoes. In my shoes, I'm content to mind my own business, not theirs.

    We are not a citizen's truth tribunal. I will not be demanding Chris and Adam's public self-abasement before deciding whether to forgive the owners of this site for the business decisions they have made in the best interests of their company. None of us is in the position to offer or withhold forgiveness. But, if at any time, in the past, now, or in the future I come to think either of them has abused my trust or strayed from my interests, I will leave.

    You are your own master and no one else's; you can make a judgement and decision for yourself based on the information you are given or can glean. That's all the power you have. Move on to more useful topics.

     

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 6:45pm

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    I’m on the fence about site direction and continuing my subscription.

    I’ve been a long time subscriber and supporter of Chris and Adam’s work and I’m happy they’ve worked out an amicable solution and I do thank them for their hard work over the years.  I’ll continue to support PP if Chris stays in his dot connecting mode as I very much value his opinions.  I don’t want this to turn in to a farming/sustainability site though as I’m past physically being able to run a farm and have limited interest in the ‘resilience’ side, so whether I stay a subscriber depends on the direction PP takes.  I have to say I’m also disappointed that when I private messaged Chris giving him a free audiobook (satire on US empire building), I never even received a reply.  Yes, I know he’s busy and I wasn’t expecting much but a one word acknowledgement might have been nice.  It is after all,  the little things.... Still, I hope things work out for them both.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 7:48pm

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    Thank you VT...

    Your post 177 deserves more than a thumbs up... I think you speak for many of us... certainly you do for me.  At some point when things resolve and we have a PP.com get together, I will make it my mission to buy a good fake vaccine passport and make my way across the country to a meet up at the HB farm in MA.  I look forward to meeting you there, Best regards, JimH

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 7:52pm

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    karenpath said:

    John Oliver is a moron. And tax increases will never stop the damage that deficit spending is going to cause.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 9:13pm

    ezlxq1949

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    Brave New World

    Glad to learn of the developments. Hope they work out for all concerned, not just for Chris and Adam but also all the volunteers and ancillary staff.

    I think I will re-subscribe to PP but not to Wealthion. Reasons for the latter include:

    First, thus far I have found most of the financial lectures and discussions to have been very North America-centric and irrelevant to Australia. I got tired of reading about this, that or the other pension scheme with some mysterious title, or some corporate share offer, or how to move house to a state with a better tax regime. Australia has 6 states and 2 territories, and not a lot of economic advantages to offer by moving. And so on.

    Second, my financial situation has no flexibility. I am retired and rely on a government-supported defined benefits scheme; I have no earning capacity left. If the ever-loving government at some future date decides to redefine the benefits — and when they do, not if, it will inevitably be to my detriment — there is nothing I can do. So unless PP can cover this sort of topic in a general way, Wealthion is not useful to me.

    All the best to you in these restless and confused times.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 9:16pm

    davefairtex

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    disclosures, entitlement, caveat emptor

    When I read a research paper, a very important section for me is the "disclosures" section.

    Who is funding the trial?  This is hugely important.  Without knowing this, it is harder to tell if this is a Pharma propaganda exercise (which they often do through intermediaries - Gates at one point gave $100 million to LSHTM, which then funded trials) or if it is a more genuine academic exercise.

    Likewise, if the researchers all work for Merck, or Pfizer, I know how to weigh the conclusions: "gosh this new Merck drug is fantastic."  Sure it is.

    Jeff Bezos is known to be the owner of WAPO.  It is a conflict, but that's ok.  It has been disclosed.  That way, articles in WAPO that say "wow this Bezos guy is so amazing" can be seen in the correct light - because, disclosure and transparency.

    Now hypothetically, let's say Bezos decided NOT to disclose his ownership.  Let's say he secretly acquired WAPO, forced everyone there to keep quiet about it, and THEN proceeded to exercise editorial control over what the paper was saying.

    Is that OK?  Not to me.  That would be a serious "material omission", in my opinion.

    https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/material-omission

    While I do not think Will is "entitled" to answers (i.e. "getting 'answers' is not some sort of human right"), failure-to-disclose is a kind of answer in and of itself, and I believe that the failure-to-disclose is a legitimate topic for discussion.

    What's more, if our belief systems says that it is the duty of every buyer to "caveat emptor" - buyer beware, namely exercise wisdom and discernment - it appears to me as though Will is trying to do exactly this.

    I mean, if you don't ask, and there is no "disclosure" section, how exactly are you supposed to know what the conflicts might be?

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 9:21pm

    Seedsower12

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    Moving Forward

    I've contacted you several times before with site ideas & am excited in your new focused direction.

    Your site on my phone needs a revamp, posting comments, looking at, topic specific needs updating.

    Agree that YT can be problematic, but crypto/blockchain might be solution. Theta (the blockchain version of YT) may be a decentralized answer.

    There are blockchain projects for content creators as well.

    Resiliance speaks to me as a direction, as RealVision is REALLY doing a great job in the financial arena & I have worked for a money manager & brokerage firms over the past 40 yrs. 25 at the biggest.

    My PP experience has not been all peaches & cream, as I'll attach below.

    I first started following in the 08/09 Crash Course days when I downloaded/duped and handed out the DVD to many.

    "Purchased seminar, couldn't attend, never got replay info. When I kept seeing pay a fee and you can listen if you didn't attend, i tried contacting, saying 'I couldn't attend, DID PAY & now I can't listen to what I paid for.

    Ordered the autograph books, got only one of the two I bought, as a way to help support the great groundbreaking COVID coverage. (Watched every video, starting late Jan 2020)

    I was a member last year. But dropped after receiving NO communication after multiple attempts.

    Love your stuff, but all above was a dealbreaker. Part of the tribe, bot farm 2012, cows, gardens, greenhouse, etc.

    I just can't get excited about PP after all the snafus, switched over to RealVision.

    They are not my tribe, but they do EXTREMELY WELL with their member onboarding process & actually respond promptly to member questions.

    I'm even seriously considering investing in their upcoming equity private placement based on their very successful subscription model & future plans.

    Chris or Adam should subscribe to RealVision, seek to learn from their onboarding and subscription model to take PeakProsperity to a new level.

    I do feel aligned with your resilliance minset, as I've had an on-again, off-again preparedness side business for 20+ yrs, though I've gone low profile as I've sought to focus on building a farm CSA heading towards retirement.

    Our area is interesting, as we are seeing lots of additional Mennonite and Amish leaving pricey PA and buying here in southwestern Ohio.

    There are a couple Mennonite twice-weekly produce auction houses, distribution warehouses, etc.

    It's getting exciting here & I would like to help facilitate an even deeper horse & buggy community.

    CD in Cincinnati"

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 9:49pm

    LiquidSunshine

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    You're Back!

    Hurray Chris!  Your questioning mind and ability to explain things has been missed in our sound bite world.  Stay fearless in asking the uncomfortable questions.

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 10:15pm

    agitating prop

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    Seedsower--Adam is Raoul Pal's equal...easily

    Adam will eventually outpace Pal, particularly after bitcoin swan dives. Last time I watched Pal was all in on bitcoin and so, imo is going to end up looking incredibly naive.

    Pal does have a great site and have seen him really shine, especially when he gets into subjects like the demographic nightmare of increasing numbers of elderly people.

    But Adam is his easily his equal.  Plus he has more gravitas than Pal. Hard to put into words what that means exactly. But, part of it is he is maybe a bit more restrained...without being boring.

    I forget who it was, the other day, suggested Taggart go to toastmasters? Guffaw. How incredibly unwarranted. It had me in stitches, laughing.

     

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  • Mon, Apr 05, 2021 - 11:44pm

    Pipyman

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    Uhhh

    I used shit as a noun, hardly in anger. The subtext of my comment was the content was great even though they were clearly dealing with aforementioned excrement. I’d want to know who the investors were if I suspected foul play; I don’t. For instance, if vaccine “research” proves safety and efficacy, I want to know where the funding came from, because I know most of the time it comes from the industry and the CDC and FDA take money from the industry.

    Again what’s with the aggression?

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 6:31am

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    Re: Adam is Raoul Pal's equal...easily

    I did a year's subscription at RealVision and decided to walk away a month or so ago.

    Pal did nail the timing on Bitcoin last year, but he was really wrong on a number of trades too. I'm doing my taxes and though I made good money on the bitcoin trade, when I factor in the Pal trades that failed, I actually made more money with DaveF's help than I did with Pal's recommendations.

    I totally agree with Prop about Adam. There is simply no better interviewer than Adam. Even though YouTube is getting a bit long-in-the-tooth, it is still light years ahead of any website (though the SEO marketing for YT needs a website to work well).

    Adam, if I can help with the grunt work of getting Welthion going, please let me know.

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 6:57am

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    tinarock said:

    Hi Doug,

    I am seeing inflation in foreign exchange. I just paid an annual renewal for a website out of England. They list their price as 99 pounds. Last year that was close to $100. This year it was $134. That means US dollars are worth less than a year ago. That's inflation.

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 7:51am

    davefairtex

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    my trades

    My three primary trades last year:

    1) Puts in February, right as the pandemic became a reality.  I credit Chris for educating me on the overall backdrop, and then myself for taking his wisdom, applying the pandemic math to timing, which allowed me to sort out when things would likely start to tip over, and in what timeframe.  This was the necessary step required to calculate put duration.  I also covered at just the right time.  Incredible good fortune on that one.

    2) Silver at $12.50 at or near the pandemic lows.  Silver miners at or around the same time.  Ridiculously big gains.

    3) I was less fortunate on crude in terms of timing - I was in and out a number of times - but it eventually worked out.  So did the airlines.  Spotting the top of the pandemic in early January was helpful too.

    4) I was not so lucky on the vaxx producer short.  Ivermectin was generally well-suppressed by Pharma & their allies - in the market, and here at the site too.  (Good job Pharma & allies from keeping cheap treatments that work from the general public; sure, hundreds of thousands of people died, but you guys made out like bandits, and that's what is important).  Science says I should have done well.  The vice grip of sociopathic Pharma on the mechanisms of media and government led to a different outcome.

    But tax time was generally a positive review for me as well.  As in, best year ever.  Even with all my mistakes.

    I want to reiterate a key point: without Chris's coverage on the pandemic, I would not have known about pandemic math, and I literally would have missed out on the biggest trade of my entire trading lifetime.  It wasn't interviews with "luminaries" that made me able to trade successfully - it was his deep dive and focused attention on this astonishingly important, perhaps once-in-a-lifetime event happening in real time that was the key to my successful trades.

    Just for what its worth.

    A lot of "those guys" - people I respect like Hussman - are imagining a crash will happen every few weeks.  So far, that's almost entirely been a money-losing trade.  I've stayed away from this trade for years, and done well as a result.  I just went short during the pandemic.  (And a little after too - but soon backed off).

    I'm guessing the Resetters did even better than I did.  Given that they control the levers of power and all that.

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 8:24am

    wotthecurtains

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    wotthecurtains said:

    "I want to reiterate a key point: without Chris's coverage on the pandemic, I would not have known about pandemic math, and I literally would have missed out on the biggest trade of my entire trading lifetime."

     

    I'm no investing genius but Ive long thought that the above is an example of how amateur active investors could be successful.  There is this idea that you need to be investing in something.  Right NOW!!!

    But really, if you are curious about the world around you and you have a habit of paying attention to things you see these opportunities here and there.  None of them are sure things, but there are these cheap (or even "free") options that turn up.  Or weird panics.

    Of course to take advantage you have to be able to go against the herd.  "How can Silver be $12 unless there is something really wrong that the insiders see that I don't?"  is what guys like me ask themselves while the opportunity slips by.

    I owe Chris for the fact that I at least stepped out of the way before the crash last year.  No money made, but money saved is better than a kick in the nads.

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 9:01am

    brushhog

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    Dave, what do you like going forward?

    I find it very difficult to read the markets this year will it be big time inflation? A crash and deflation? Or will we continue going sideways with mixed results?

    It seems to me that with EVERYTHING at all time highs and interest rates rising [ without the fed's input ] we must be coming close to a breaking point already. But I have been thinking that way for a long time.

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 9:46am

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    This is great to hear!

    I haven't been posting as much, mostly due to a career change and raising a now-teenage daughter (it kicks into high gear around 13, I tell ya!), but I still frequent the site and still read comment sections, so I am very glad this situation was resolved amiably for all sides. While I'm sad to think of PP without Adam, let me say he has done an admirable job these last few months...so, thank you Adam for not letting the ship sink while it headed back to port. I plan on continuing to support both you and Chris going forward as much as I can.

     

    DaveF, Sand_Puppy's exhortation for your return has gotten so many thumbs-up that I think it is a sign that this community whole-heartedly hopes for your return. =P

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 9:47am

    Canuck21

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    Canuck21 said:

    @Seedsower - thanks for the idea about the Mennonites in Ohio. It made me realize that for Canada, the equivalent is PEI. Lots of Mennonites have been moving there and establishing farms in the past few years because the land is way cheaper. That adds a lot of resilience to PEI as a whole. Having a physical "drawbridge" to the outside world also makes it a good place to relocate to.

     

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 10:50am

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    hail said:

    Not knowing what the future will bring I want to express appreciation for the past.  2020 was crazy.  Chris' spontaneous pivot away from the 3Es into a military type intelligence campaign on covid brought clarity and stability to many in this tribe.  Much gratitude.

    The reality of large scale censoring is very concerning.

    Adam's filling the void was great.  I'll admit to some disappointment with the interviews.  The answers rarely rose to the level of the questions.  I found the questions more thought provoking than the answers.

    I love my country and it's very sad to see it being killed from within.  BLM?  Sorry, all lives matter.  Intersectionality?  Nope.  ESG scores?  This will be the final injury as large corporations become the parallel government.  Sad, sad.  But, many thanks to Chris, Adam, and Dave for manning the rudder and keeping it steady this last year.

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 12:13pm

    Mysterymet

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    CDC and conflicts of interest

    Of course the DOD and the military industrial complex supposedly have safeguards to prevent conflicts of interest but we all know how that turns out in reality https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_2160771

     

     

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 12:44pm

    agitating prop

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    agitating prop said:

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_2160771

    Mystery Met, your link's now linkable.

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 1:21pm

    agitating prop

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    Jag

    Jag,

    Just for clarity, when you highlight credit inflation as self extinguishing, do you mean those who borrow, will repay, so that represents the extinguishing factor? Or do you mean the act of repayment, will curtail spending, so self extinguishing in that way, or both?

    How do you see actual government give-aways affecting this process? I may have things all upside down here.

     

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 1:26pm

    agitating prop

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    Big Pharma and Ivermectin

    I wonder if there is a way of figuring out which large BP corporations are working on ivermectin. It's almost certain they don't want to miss that gravy train. And also wonder,  if it was ever so slightly altered, therefore patentable, would it still work? That would be a good trade!

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 2:20pm

    Canuck21

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    Canuck21 said:

    The obvious candidate is Merck, which is working on its own antiviral, but if it is as good as IVM, it would kill the much bigger golden goose/gravy train of vaccines, and why would any for-profit company want to do that?

     

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 2:51pm

    whoknew79

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    Check your assumptions

    This will be my last post on this topic for a few weeks. I try to stay away from social media, in part because of the back and forth that is happening now. It is a waste of my time and it is a beautiful day outside and I want to enjoy it. I will post one more comment on this in a few weeks to say how I intend to respond based on the response or lack of response from CM and AT. I am open minded and stand ready to change my thoughts and opinions.

     

    Pipyman: I agree. I don't think your comment had tones of aggression. I was trying to say that I don't see the "aggression" or "anger" in my posts. Anger wasn't my intent. As far as I can tell, there are two possibilities. 1.) There is not much evidence of aggression because it was not aggressive. 2.) I have anger in my post and I am not aware of it and would need it to be pointed out to me, so that I can reflect on it. Can you inform me of the specific words or phrases that indicate anger to you emanating from my words?  Please know that I won't respond again, but if you make some good points, then I will reflect on them. I love learning and improving.

     

    VTGothic: There is so much to unpack in your post and it will take too much of my time, so I will condense it. The amount of untrue assumptions that you put onto me is staggering. I count 7 completely untrue assumptions that you made about me. I have not made any about you. I would hope that you would retract it, but I don't control that. I spent the drive into work wondering if there is a connection between assumptions and emotion. Do assumptions over lay strong emotions? I don't know.

    I don't hold anyone, including myself or CM, above appropriate questioning. Most of the time, questions go unanswered. That's life and the nature of stone walling. There should be no problem with asking some questions of CM that were NOT answered in his post. CM spent a bit of 2020 criticizing censorship, nondisclosed conflicts of interest, and poor communication in the major institutions and corporations around the world. He was right to be critical, but here he is engaging in small forms of that same thing.

    I am not entitled to answers and NEVER did I think that I was (This statement contains an emotion called anger because you insulted me with your baseless assumptions about me).

    Anyway, it is a beautiful day and I am going to water the greenhouse and take the dog for walk. Get out there and enjoy it while you still can.

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 3:36pm

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    Reply to the Prop

    AP: Just for clarity, when you highlight credit inflation as self extinguishing, do you mean those who borrow, will repay, so that represents the extinguishing factor? Or do you mean the act of repayment, will curtail spending, so self extinguishing in that way, or both?

    Exactly. Also debt default will also extinguish the "money" created by the loan. Or, the loan (credit) can be taken out of circulation by the FED and die a slow death on their books.

    The main problem that I see with a credit-based monetary system is that money that is loaned into existence (by the banking system) cannot be paid enough if the monetary velocity is not high enough.

    Here is the current M2 Velocity chart:

    It's the lowest in at least 60 years (probably ever). See that little blip-up on the far right side of the graph? That is what is feeding the current hyperinflation hysteria.

    Our debt is our money supply, but if money isn't exchanging hands in the economy at a high enough rate, the debt cannot be paid off and will be defaulted on (and/or exchanged for more credit by the FED).

    It is an ingenious system (I'm only half-joking)

    How do you see actual government give-aways affecting this process?

    I don't know. I guess it depends on who (or if) the government is borrowing the money from.

    But if the herd thinks it is inflationary then I'm saving all my "worthless" dollars because the herd is always wrong. "Cash will be King" again, and just in time.

     

     

     

     

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 4:22pm

    2retired

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    bitcoin stories

    Just a note that I hope for investors is a one off. I just got back from walking the dog and talked to a neighbour who had just  sold her house (or so I thought); she said 'up until a half hour ago'. She said the purchaser's money was in bitcoin and he could not get the bank to accept it(?) so the sale fell through. She didn't understand the process but felt sorry for the man and his family.

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 6:55pm

    Seedsower12

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    New Direction

    Sorry for hammering you last night on an order snafu.

     

    Think 'blockchain'.

    Decentralized, can't be de-platformed, secure, fast, etc.

    With all your Youtube videos & streaming show, think 'Theta', started by the co-founder of Youtube.

    https://www.thetatoken.org

    Decentralized/distributed networks can't be shut down & allows direct links between consumers and content creators.

    Think about your own blockchain enabled website, and your own crypto tokens.

    Instead of memberships, like-minded members of the 'Tribe' purchase tokens.

    Tokens can be used to 'tip' content creators, tribe members who post great content, spend them on farm projects, assign to members of your 'governance committee', etc.

    If 'Tribe' members don't spend their tokens during their membership period, they go into the 'Treasury' run by the Governance Committee.

    If they spend them sooner, perhaps they will buy more early.

    Tips can rank & prioritize content, so content most valued by the tribe is the easiest to access by all.

    You, as the main content creator, would get the most tips (tokens).

    Unspent tokens can 'stake' members of the governance committee. The Committee is basically voted in/out by tokens 'staked' their way.

    Polyface, Salatin, Chris, Eva, etc.

    This way, your Tribe is engaged in direction, projects, etc.

    As tribe members comment and add content, tips awarded to them will energize them further. Tips awarded can perhaps even be turned into cash, or used by tribal leaders to spend as they want in your ecosystem.

    The tribe sets the direction & tribal leaders will come and go, based on keeping the tribe energized and engaged, network effect, etc.

    Perhaps this can all be done on a mobile friendly platform/app?

    Hope any of this helps, lots more ideas, Decentraland, NFT's, etc.

    Big Sky Farm in Cincinnati

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 7:06pm

    macro2682

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    Why I’m here

    I subscribed to chrismartenson.com when I was in my 20s.  I turn 40 next year.  I’m here because I didn’t have the time necessary to get anything useful out of the news.  I needed someone to read, learn, and tell me what’s 1.) likely true and 2.) worth paying attention to.  I’m with you Chris.

    Adam, you’ve got me on LinkedIn. Let me know how I can help. I’ll certainly watch when you have interesting guests.

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 7:48pm

    EddieLarry

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    The new barter system.

    Hello 2retired, Bitcoin is rapidly descending into a system of barter.  A person buys bitcoin with their hard earned savings but then finds that they can’t trade their coins for cash.  So they want to trade it for things, like houses, private boxes at sports stadiums, etc.  Forewarned is forearmed.

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  • Tue, Apr 06, 2021 - 11:37pm

    Pipyman

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    To be clear

    I have no problem with your questions, they’re totally legitimate. It was simply your tone. It came across as someone that had been slighted. It wasn’t any single comment.

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 2:22am

    Grover

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    Death and Life (is that backwards?)

    In post #157, agitating prop wrote:

    The government will provide more fiscal stimulus checks because one trend is clear: the month stimulus is released into the populace, and the month after, consumption returns toward pre-Covid normal. But in the month(s) following, consumption drops back to dangerously low levels. Apparently, as long as people don't have jobs, they don't spend unless the government hands them money. Go figure. [agitating prop quoting VTGothic.]

    The repuglicans are going to fight this tooth and nail, so dems will have to deal with it by eliminating the fillibuster. And they will do it. It is literally a matter of life and death.

    agitating prop,

    I read this post the other day, and it bothered me. I've been thinking about it on-and-off since then. I understand that you were responding to VTGothic concerning the inflation / deflation question. As such, I may be off base with this response because I'm not dealing with that question. Based on your tone, I doubt it.

    If you remember, those in government throughout this plandemic have been downplaying therapeutics and prophylaxes measures that would reduce the deathly effect of the coronavirus except for those who would generally succumb to the annual flu. They locked us down, told us to wash our hands, wear a mask, and social distance while we wait for a vaccine. They claimed that there were no studies concerning vitamins/minerals, HCQ, or IVM that show these treatments work. If they performed a study, it was designed to intentionally fail. They either applied the drug too late, applied it at the wrong dosage, or neglected to include zinc or some other medication that would improve efficacy. That gave them cover so they could issue an Emergency Use Authorization to Big Pharma concerning vaccines that haven't been through the established safety protocols. (I hope the irony isn't lost on you.)

    Because of the governments' actions, the economy has mutated quite a bit since early 2020. Big box stores and on-line delivery websites (like Amazon) have flourished. The small mom-and-pop main street businesses have floundered. As a result, we ended up with lots of unemployment, and reduced wages. We can't have the unemployed kicked out of their houses, right? Government mandated that renters who can't afford to pay rent will have their rents deferred. As far as I know, there wasn't any official criteria to determine if someone couldn't pay rent - it was self determined.

    Now, the economy is getting back in gear. What percentage of those who deferred their rent will skip out on the landlord when the bill comes due? Should the government cover the cost of the last year's rent to the landlords who provided the housing - without getting compensated? Should the government raise taxes to cover the shortfall ... or just borrow it so future generations are additionally burdened?

    Congress (both sides of the aisle) created this mess. I don't remember exactly who coined the phrase, "never let a crisis go to waste." This definitely was a crisis! They certainly didn't let it go to waste. You can bet that the big winners were those entities who contribute handsomely to reelection campaigns. The big boyz are agnostic concerning political campaign contributions. They donate to both sides. Why? So they can get "favors" later ... regardless of who wins. All it takes is a significant loophole in taxing or regulating to make them happy enough to continue contributing.

    So, let's get back to government hand-outs. The knee-jerk reaction is to give out stimulus checks. This latest US stimulus totaled $1.9 trillion. Of that, only about 9% went to direct payouts to the little people. Who is going to have to pay back that $1.9 trillion? (Remember that the big boyz contribute to congressoids to reduce their taxes.) Should the government just do the despicable thing and default on the debt? That surely won't have any negative repercussions. </sarc>

    Of course, those who consider skipping out on their deferred rent probably don't care who pays the bill as long as they get their "stimmy" check. They don't care that they'll have to pay back ~11 times as much (plus interest) as they got in manna from congress. Those in power (congressoids) don't seem to care as long as they can get reelected. If the stimmies become normal, do you think at least some of these people would vote for the political team offering the bigger future stimmy? Where does it end?

    As far as eliminating the filibuster, the "Dems" removed a provision concerning Supreme Court nominees when they held the Speakership under Obama. It came back to bite them when Trump nominated Amy Coney Barrett and they couldn't stop it. The "Dems" cried foul play when Trump did it. (Of course, they cried foul play on everything Trump did.) Do you really think it is wise to permanently modify the rules that drastically for temporary gain? Where does it end?

    Grover

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 8:00am

    Nirth

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    Good luck with your new projects!

    I am glad to know that you have come to an agreement and found a solution for your situation. I wish you both the best and will be following closely what will happen here at Peak Prosperity and the new endevour with Wealthion.

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 8:21am

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    VT

    As promised, I am replying to your post #154.  Upon reading through it more carefully, however, I realized that JAG in posts #160 and 201, and Whoknew79 in post #200 addressed your post quite adequately.

    As Whoknew79 pointed out, you made many statements that are either on their face false or at least very questionable.  And, of course, you wrote the whole post without citing one source.  As has been said, from those who make extraordinary claims, extraordinary proof is required.  You provided none.  IOW, you have the burden to support your claims, I don't have the burden of refuting unsupported claims.

    Besides, it is a beautiful day here and I have lots of outdoor chores to do.

    Take care y'all.

    Doug

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 12:03pm

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    John Oliver debt video

    I really liked the end where the kids tell adults to grow the fuck up and just spend money exponentially. Eventually the velocity of money will pick up and the massive growth in M2 will compete for real goods on a finite planet. As Jim Rogers says, I trust history more than the latest smart person that thinks this time is different. I can hardly stand the late night comedian "news" people. They are so smug it's painful, no wonder the people who watch them think everyone that disagrees with them is an idiot. Sad.

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 2:23pm

    VTGothic

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    Doug, I'm truly confused

    What did you think you needed to refute? I didn't know I was arguing with you. You posted, and I reposted, this:

    The question in my mind is why we haven't seen runaway inflation or economic collapse while both have been predicted loudly and repeatedly for four decades now, particularly on this site for the past 13 years.  What is actually happening and why?

    So I thought I'd help by giving you some context, and posted my understanding of "what's actually happening". How does that call for a refutation from you? I don't get it.

    I'm also confused by your statement that I made a lot of claims with no sources. What do you need sources for in my response? Do you need me to cite wikipedia where it defines terms like "fiscal stimulus" and "monetary stimulus"? I hope not: those are common terms; nobody cites sources for common terms, unless someone claims that a word doesn't mean what it means, then one has to appeal to a dictionary - but as far as I know you don't dispute the meaning of the words I used. Do you?

    I also don't see that JAG is disagreeing with me. He's approaching the same issues from a different perspective but, like me, he notes that low velocity means no inflation. I said that, too. And I don't disagree with his observation that credit creation is different than money printing. What concerns people this cycle is that money was printed and put in the hands of Joe and Jane. That does produce greater volatility in the short run; then the economy crashes again. Historically, low volatility has been the reason for minimal to zero inflation. We both note that.

    JAG and I might disagree on whether we can keep creating credit forever with no downside for the dollar. I'm not sure if he'd say 'yes, we can.' If so, then he and I disagree. But a disagreement about something that hasn't reached its conclusion is not a contradiction, only a difference of opinion.

    Whoknew79 is calling me out on a completely different post. S/he objects to what I wrote in post 177, not 164.

    164 is where I gave you my opinions as an answer to your question about "what's really happening" in the economy.

    In 177 I told Whoknew why I don't think "a few tough questions from the membership is appropriate," and why I don't agree that "We cannot move past this without fully flushing all of it into the light of the day."

     

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 3:05pm

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    Talking MMT

    One item that bothers me on both sides of the MMT Argument.   Both tend to straw man MMT as I understand it.  (not saying you are doing this).

    MMT, as I understand, stipulates that you can create and distribute money into the economy, and the closer to productive purposes the better.   It also stipulates that you better have pretty automatic procedures in place to stop creating money or even reduce money when inflation starts to show.

    The popular vision on the left is that the money handouts are fine at any level, while the right just shouts about austerity and the govt should not ever create something like UBI.

    MMT, if it could be really done, would not allow infinite money printing, but also it wouldnt necessarily require taxes, it would just adjust the money supply up or down based on inflation and try to put the money in its most productive places to support the correct money velocity and greatest purpose in society.  Granted the allocation would need to be handled fairly rigorously to not spin out of control in some way, so im not saying it would be easy -- as the desire to manipulate would still be present as it is today.

    This would be an awesome series of podcasts, maybe for wealthion?

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 4:31pm

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    John Oliver

    I love 90% of what John Oliver does, but that debt piece was frighteningly misguided. Self-liquidating debt is a good thing, but the finite planet stuff was ignored, as was the fact that we can’t seem to stop people from accruing non-self-liquidating debt (like debt that’s taken on to get a liberal arts undergrad degree). Sadly, John Oliver is one of the only investigative journalists on TV.

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 4:36pm

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    Adjusting the money supply based on inflation...

    “...Is like adjusting the shower knob based on the water temperature.” -CM

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 5:53pm

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    Re: VT

    VT: What concerns people this cycle is that money was printed and put in the hands of Joe and Jane.

    First, my apologies VT, but I didn't read your post. I enjoy reading your posts but I was in a hurry at the time. Sorry if I was redundant.

    Regarding the statement above, I guess it really depends on what the banks do.

    Counter-intuitively, when the Treasury dumps this 'for-the-people-money" into the banking system, if it is a large deposit, it can actually cause liquidity problems for the banks (so can the FED monetary dumps) because their reserve requirements under the newly reinstated SLR (Statutory Liquidity Ratio).

    This is a theory postulated by Barton Wang in his Liquidity Matters newsletter.

    Wang: The main assumption here is that a couple of major banks have balance sheet sizes fairly close to their SLR limits. Sudden (1-day) influx of large reserve causes their broker/dealer arm to freeze or even withdraw margins of their clients (e.g. hedge funds). And it takes a few days for these big banks to shed the extra reserve on their balance sheets to other players (e.g. MMF, foreign banks etc.).

    He explains much of his theory in this podcast:

    I don't really understand the plumbing of the banking system, but I think it is safe to assume that the banks create inflation (as commonly defined) and feed the inflation-trade by providing margin in their brokerage divisions.

    Japan has been giving money directly to its citizens for a few years now with no resulting inflation.

    Regarding hyperinflation, I think Dr. Lacy Hunt said it best here:

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 7:12pm

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    CM & MMT

    CM would be one of the few persons whos in depth investigation of a topic like MMT, I would tend to trust.

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 9:56pm

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    Primary Care_MD said:

    They work for large hospital systems. They've been inundated with 'CDC guidelines' and NIH says 'blah blah blah'. I work in a small group, so, much less pressure to 'toe the line.'

    IMO, the adoption of EHR has 'trained' most of us to submit to authority.

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 10:20pm

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    CrLaan said:

    I never even received a reply.  Yes, I know he’s busy and I wasn’t expecting much but a one word acknowledgement might have been nice.

     

    Annie,  watching this website, my first thought is it lacks some organisation.

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 10:29pm

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    CrLaan said:

    Granted the allocation…

    let me be the first issuer….

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  • Thu, Apr 08, 2021 - 11:24am

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    np, JAG

    Hey, JAG,

    I keep feeling like I've been put in the position of an adversary when I didn't know I was being adversarial. I think Doug completely misread both my response #164 to his question (that I assume was a real question, not ironically rhetorical), and then wrongly thinks Whoknew's post (#177) relates to my comment on the topic he had raised. He also thinks you were writing against what I wrote, which is not how I read your post. Like mine, I thought your post was your educated opinion, nothing more or less, and on many points we're agreed. I think he's just confused.

     

     

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  • Thu, Apr 08, 2021 - 11:39am

    VTGothic

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    BTC FUD

    @EddieLarry,

    Not for the first time, you're talking out your hat re bitcoin. The last thing it's doing is devolving into a barter system.

    @2retired,

    There simply has to be more to this story. Likely you got a confusing account because the seller isn't clear (as you report she indicated.) I can tell you, as someone who's been in the bitcoin space since 2014, that anyone who has accumulated enough bitcoin to be able to use it's appreciation to buy a house would not try to go to a bank and trade bitcoin for the deed. That would be as nonsensical as walking into a bank with a few stock certificates or bars of gold and try to barter them for the deed.

    Bitcoin (or any other cryptocurrency), like gold bars and shares of stock, gets cashed out by an exchange. The dollar-denominated proceeds would then be used to buy real estate (or pretty much anything else).

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  • Thu, Apr 08, 2021 - 4:49pm

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    Thanks Chris

    Please advise us all when the income is coming ONLY to you and I will send what I can afford. Your work on covid in 2020 was invaluable and essential it's just too bad we can't reach more but people have close their minds and it is too bad for them. Good  luck - Odysee and locals beckons........

    Cheers

    Grumpy old Canuck!!!!!!!!

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  • Thu, Apr 08, 2021 - 5:12pm

    rallyman

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    Reality is too hurtful to consider

    The FED is a privately owned company. The CDC is a privately owned company. Live with it!!!!

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  • Fri, Apr 09, 2021 - 5:20am

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    Money Velocity

    When country exports its manufacturing, money velocity will crash since capital investment crashes.   Buy a TV made in China vs USA...China TV money goes to China then maybe TBills.   USA TV plant is built, employees employed, distribution created, money stays in USA etc etc.

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  • Fri, Apr 09, 2021 - 12:33pm

    CrLaan

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    CrLaan said:

    The FED is a privately owned company. The CDC is a privately owned company. Live with it!!!!

    it’s a strong businesscase.

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  • Sat, Apr 10, 2021 - 5:06am

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    The world hasn't stopped being mad - not by a long shot

    In view of what we have seen over the past year and the statements by governments versus reality, we can safely say the bullshit hasn't stopped.  We are getting rosy 'light at the end of the tunnel' messages everywhere.   It s all vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.  Where's the actual treatments?   What are all of these variants really doing?  Why do governments pretend that current vaccinations are totally variant proof?  When HCQ and Ivermectin were first floated the official response was ít's unproven and therefore risky and we can't use it.   Now that vaccines are also killing people, suddenly the official line is "vaccines are an acceptable risk that we all must accept, even if some of you will die"  How fast the language changes!  When I turn on the news, I'm greeted by images of smiling faces getting their shots, but no technical discussion about targets and side effects.  What I am hearing is the language of Damage Control, designed to placate and not inform.    So what's really happening?   I have no f.... idea.

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  • Sat, Apr 10, 2021 - 7:10am

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    Suggestion to both of you.

    To free yourself from the shackles of YouTube you might consider posting content to Vimeo.

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  • Sat, Apr 10, 2021 - 11:30am

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    YouTube will betray you

    Congratulations to you both, Chris and Adam.  I have great respect for both of you, your integrity, insight, and energy.

    I will continue to follow you both, but not on Youtube.  Several other content creators I respect have been censored and I have followed them to other platforms.  I did this because I choose integrity and reject censorship.

    Chris, I think you are headed in the right direction on this count.

    Adam, I don't think you will be uncensored for long; the truth will not be tolerated by the tech giants.

    Sincerely,

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  • Sat, Apr 10, 2021 - 11:31am

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    Wait!

    Edited.

    On second thought, I'm trying not to leave the Internet a more bilious place than I found it.

    I will just say that this post raises more questions than it answers and that it completely fails to address why the site was sold without any transparency to "potential partners" who are not even identified in this post. It is disappointing, to say the least.

    It was a good run, and I especially enjoyed reading UK Locksmith, Dogs In a Pile, and VT Gothic, Karen Is A Farmer, Travissidelinger, and a couple of others. Take care, all.

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  • Sat, Apr 10, 2021 - 12:29pm

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    Something happened....

    Yes.  It appears that Chris made a mistake.  Chris may be human afterall.  The question is, who among us will allow for his redemption?  Must we all have front row seats to Chris' soul searching?  He doesn't owe me anything.  I expect a clean start soon.

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  • Sat, Apr 10, 2021 - 12:36pm

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    New Ventures

    Congratulations to all and best of luck going forward. We are in uncharted waters and the guidance offered on PP has always been most appreciated. I also enjoy Adam’s interviews and will follow along there as well.
    Chris, special thanks to you for going out on a limb to guide us through the early Covid nightmare. Bless you!

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  • Sat, Apr 10, 2021 - 12:48pm

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    dreinmund said:

    People are jumping to way too many conclusions about what exactly happened.

    E.g. the actual influence of the investors is totally unknown.

    Has Chris made a mistake ? Possibly, but we don’t know;

    I actually believe what he wrote, that all parties had best intentions. There’s a difference between a mistake (somethings that could have been anticipated) and a development that was impossible to anticipate. I believe the issues that arose more fall in the latter category.

    Some people airing their grievances about lack of information or involvement of the tribe have might have never been in a leadership position. Armchair-quarterbacking is easy, doing it right in the middle of a crisis is much harder. And because of legal implications, you just can’t always do what would be most convenient to the masses.

    Those overly critical towards Chris should ask themselves - does this incident really negate the character and integrity we have seen from Chris (and Adam) over the past many years ?

    Community is not only built on trust and integrity, but also on grace, forgiveness and the ability to carry one another through a crisis. I’m not interested in a “community of people that are not willing to give and get involved, but are quick to be critical when things get tough. There is not much value in it.

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  • Sat, Apr 10, 2021 - 1:05pm

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    Judy said:

    I’m happy to reassure you that Chris’s daughter has been declared cancer-free.  Her grandmother

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  • Sat, Apr 10, 2021 - 1:57pm

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    Re: Something happened

    I, and quite a few others that I know, would be a lot worse off right now if it were not for the insights Chris and Adam have brought to the table over the past 10 years. If it's uncensored Chris coming back to the table then I'd chalk this one up to experience. None of us are perfect saints.

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  • Sat, Apr 10, 2021 - 3:09pm

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    LBL said:

    >>>  How do we know other machinations haven't been happening the whole time?

     

    In my case, because I trust Chris and Adam.

    Chris shared how he bailed on Corporate America, an experience which I think a lot of us can relate to.

    I'm sure negotiating a less-corporate approach to things is what went on, at least on PP's side of the table.

     

    There's PLENTY of America where Cynicism is very justified.

    In the short term I will reserve my cynicism for the American "health care" industry, for example.

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  • Sat, Apr 10, 2021 - 4:43pm

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    Natural-born information scout

    > I am a natural-born information scout.

    Yes. And for that we thank you.

    > I, Chris Martenson, am going to have sole control over Peak Prosperity.

    👍

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  • Sun, Apr 11, 2021 - 12:09am

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    Kim L. Law said:

    I appreciate and love both your work. I am happy to see that you will still help us navigate through this confusing times from 2 different yet critical aspects. Best of luck to both of your endeavors!

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  • Sun, Apr 11, 2021 - 8:55am

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    PP to go crypto??

    WB, Chris! Nice to see you're working it out.

    @Chris Martenson
    Still to this day there’s no predictability to any of it.

    Disagree, but you'd have to spend a lot of time observing. The main key is avoiding using certain terms, especially in the video titles. Mark Dice is one example of someone still on Youtube because he uses unspecific titles and knows exactly which words and wordings to avoid. Styxhexenhammer is another example, who doesn't restrict his titles/words/wordings but does separate content into YT and alt-tech exclusives. Ideally you would've seen the trend long ago and started to build your alt-tech presence, but it's not too late.

    @kunga
    Over 70, here.

    The current shots are genetic enhancement, not a vaccine. They do not stop catching the catching of, or spreading the disease. We know effective remedies, which a competent person, in good health, can apply to self and family members. Some of us have made choices, all our lives, to be educated and live a healthy lifestyle. Not all people over 60 are the same. I'd rather die of Covid. My choice.

    Exactly, right? But the TV is an extremely dangerous weapon/drug and too many people don't realize it enough to shut it off from and out of their lives.

    @LBL
    I can't see any reason to vaccinate older folks. Unless the goal is to generate more medical industry revenues.

    And the geronticide agendas, where the more criminally-inclined deeply indebted governments need to bring some semblance of balance to their budget and a major strategy is to kill off the elderly population as much as possible. Or at least that's what it looks like. An example is Germany:

    In blue, elderly home Covid deaths until vaccinations started (9 months). In red, deaths in the 2 months after vaccinations started.

    As is, the CDC/FDA/NIH are saying nothing about Vitamin D & natural ionophores like Quercetin - which is like telling people to eat a little orange peel or banana peel (both great sources of Quercetin) ... or just dark skinned grapes.

    They're deliberately refraining from telling at-risk people how to make themselves less at risk.

    That tells us a LOT about the CDC/FDA/NIH.

    I read the CDC is not actually a US gov. agency. It's a 501C3 non-profit, with major pharma companies as donors. Anybody know ?

    The CDC is literally a vaccine company, as JFK Jr. explains:

    Even the former director, virologist Dr. Redfield, has stated that he believes the virus came from the Wuhan lab. The CDC obviously knows exactly what's happening, and that ivermectin and vitamin D are the real vaccines.

    @davefairtex
    2) Silver at $12.50 at or near the pandemic lows. Silver miners at or around the same time. Ridiculously big gains.

    Not bad, but compare that to the multiple >+1000%'s we crypto folks have been seeing.

    @whoknew79
    CM spent a bit of 2020 criticizing censorship, nondisclosed conflicts of interest, and poor communication in the major institutions and corporations around the world. He was right to be critical, but here he is engaging in small forms of that same thing.

    LOL, but Chris isn't causing the unnecessary deaths of over 1.8 million people.

    I am not entitled to answers and NEVER did I think that I was (This statement contains an emotion called anger because you insulted me with your baseless assumptions about me).

    Anyway, it is a beautiful day and I am going to water the greenhouse and take the dog for walk. Get out there and enjoy it while you still can.

    May I recommend something? Cannabis. Less caffeine/stimulants, more social activities, meditation, avoid TV, censored platforms, MSG, aspartame, magnesium or omega-3 deficiency, high carb diet & junk food, electrosmog. Your life will be more fun.

    @Judy
    I’m happy to reassure you that Chris’s daughter has been declared cancer-free. Her grandmother

    AWESOME!!!

    @Seedsower12
    Think 'blockchain'.

    Decentralized, can't be de-platformed, secure, fast, etc.

    With all your Youtube videos & streaming show, think 'Theta', started by the co-founder of Youtube.

    https://www.thetatoken.org

    Decentralized/distributed networks can't be shut down & allows direct links between consumers and content creators.

    Think about your own blockchain enabled website, and your own crypto tokens.

    Instead of memberships, like-minded members of the 'Tribe' purchase tokens.

    Tokens can be used to 'tip' content creators, tribe members who post great content, spend them on farm projects, assign to members of your 'governance committee', etc.

    If 'Tribe' members don't spend their tokens during their membership period, they go into the 'Treasury' run by the Governance Committee.

    If they spend them sooner, perhaps they will buy more early.

    Tips can rank & prioritize content, so content most valued by the tribe is the easiest to access by all.

    You, as the main content creator, would get the most tips (tokens).

    Unspent tokens can 'stake' members of the governance committee. The Committee is basically voted in/out by tokens 'staked' their way.

    Polyface, Salatin, Chris, Eva, etc.

    This way, your Tribe is engaged in direction, projects, etc.

    As tribe members comment and add content, tips awarded to them will energize them further. Tips awarded can perhaps even be turned into cash, or used by tribal leaders to spend as they want in your ecosystem.

    The tribe sets the direction & tribal leaders will come and go, based on keeping the tribe energized and engaged, network effect, etc.

    Perhaps this can all be done on a mobile friendly platform/app?

    Hope any of this helps, lots more ideas, Decentraland, NFT's, etc.

    Big Sky Farm in Cincinnati

    THIS!!!!!

    What are some examples of where this has been done?

    I think it can be done, Chris, you just need to find a good dev team.

    There's also Livepeer (LPT), more decentralized. Not financial advice obviously but THETA is at 18.6x LPT, even as it's up +2000% in the last 3 months (vs THETA +650%).

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  • Sun, Apr 11, 2021 - 3:21pm

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    Chris's mom

    Very happy to hear about your granddaughter. You must all be so incredibly relieved. There is only one thing worse than personal pain and that is the pain or illness of a child, grandchild. It's even horrendous if it's a close pet!

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  • Sun, Apr 11, 2021 - 4:02pm

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    wannabe_cantillionaire said:

    so umm.... does this mean Chris is going to attend the Polyface Farms retreat?

    ..or do we have to ask Joel to use a searchlight to shine the PP symbol into the night's sky as a means to summon him?

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  • Mon, Apr 12, 2021 - 7:37am

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    Mark_BC said:

    Can I ask where you got that chart of elderly deaths? It is very telling but I want to investigate it more.

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  • Mon, Apr 12, 2021 - 11:51am

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    Germany approaching Nazi-level authoritarianism again

    Can I ask where you got that chart of elderly deaths? It is very telling but I want to investigate it more.

    I found it on some Telegram channel but couldn't find the source. I've verified that the German text does say what it's reported as saying, but I can't find the source data. I'll see if I can get a German friend to do some searches for me. But if you have a hard time believing it, check this out: https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/whistleblower-video-footage-of-forced-covid-vaccines-in-german-nursing-homes-goes-public-attorney-were-dealing-with-homicide-maybe-even-murder/

    As Reiner Fuellmich (one of the top attorneys suing Covid criminals) put it:

    It means that people are dying because of the vaccines.

    What we are seeing in this video clip is worse than anything we ever expected.

    If this is representative for what’s going on in the other nursing homes, and in other countries, then we have a very serious problem.

    And so do the people who make the vaccines, so do the people who administer the vaccines.

    It looks more and more as though we’re dealing with homicide, and maybe even murder.

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  • Mon, Apr 12, 2021 - 1:59pm

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    So many early treatments have been ignored

    My favourite site for current research results regarding early C-19 treatments is https://c19early.com, which lists a dozen different drugs and supplements that have been shown to be effective in reducing the mortality and morbidity of this disease.

    You are right that denying the existence of effective treatments and even actively suppressing them is an important part of selling sheeple the line about the vaccine being the only way out of the pandemic.

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  • Mon, Apr 12, 2021 - 2:55pm

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    Incompetence, or malice?

    You're right, Andy.
    But it's much worse than you seem to think it is. I hate to break it to you.

    The Powers that Be know everything that we do.  They have to. They're not stupid.

    It is not incompetence, simple ignorance, or some well-meaning error.
    No. Unfortunately, no. Would, that it were.

    It is on Purpose.
    The sooner we all catch on to this, the better off we'll all be.

    Yes. I know how hard it is, to internalize the import of what I just said.
    I struggled with it myself for a long time.
    But everything I saw, led me to the same inevitable conclusion and does, to this day.

    It is, what it is. We must deal with it.

    -- Chuck

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  • Mon, Apr 12, 2021 - 3:17pm

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    Incompetence, or malice?

    Unfortunately those of us under a certain age who always wondered how the world's great dictatorships got their mojo are in the process of finding out now.

    I briefly knew a guy who was a school teacher who's (middle school) aged students used to brag that if they had been around Hitler they would have told him to "F*ck right off!!!"

    So one time he got permission from the school and the parents to run his class as a dictator would.   He did all kinds of gaslighting to these kids, arbitrarily took good grades away, gave better grades to the ass kissers and occasionally just threw a student out now and then in a rage for no reason at all.

    It sounded like they barely got through a week and he had to be careful because it didn't take long before the kids realized this wasn't fun anymore.   The fear they had of him was starting to get real.  And this from only a few hours a day with him and being able to go home between sessions.

    Anyway, the WHO today says cases are going exponential and the premiere of my good province just announced that "when vaccines beat variants we get our freedom back".  I gotta give him props for making freedom conditional on something he knows can never happen but which many of his lazy listeners won't.

    The local papers that have been covering the local church group defiance in somewhat neutral tones are now warning about the conspiracy theorists operating behind the scenes.

     

    I sense that The Empire is about to take it up a notch.

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  • Mon, Apr 12, 2021 - 4:17pm

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    The Empire Strikes Out

    Hey, Wot,

    What I hope to see soon (A.S.A.P.) is an episode of
    The Empire Strikes Out.  Completely OUT. I mean, like completely, TOTALLY out.
    Like, Kaput.

    I don't hold no truck with no so-called Empire. They can just stuff it.
    I wasn't put on this earth to serve them, and neither were you. Neither was anybody else.

    Look .. I'm just an old-fashioned guy. Live and let live -- that's me.
    I'm not going to get on some pulpit and tell somebody else how they should live.
    But I'm not gonna be pushed around.
    I'm not gonna be told what to do.
    I'm not gonna to subscribe to somebody else's idea of God.
    I'm not gonna be told where I can go, and where I cannot go.

    All that is "off the table" for me. It's simply not negotiable -- ever, under any circumstances.  If that's what's demanded of me then I'll put up my last bit of fight, and expire when I run out of life-energy.

    Sounds like the stalwarts on PP may have more in common than we first thought.

    -- Chuck

     

     

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  • Mon, Apr 12, 2021 - 5:42pm

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    The chart of elderly deaths can be found on the following webpages.

    I used Google search-by-image and found the image on this page:

    https://kristigenkomststorpolitik.blog/ about halfway down the very long page.

    Google search-by-image indicates the image is also to be found somewhere on this page: https://wiederkunftchristigrosspolitik.com/velkommen-til-denne-side/ .

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  • Tue, Apr 13, 2021 - 3:51pm

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    Hoping for Some New and Interesting Videos

    Hello,

    I started watching Chris's videos in January 2020 and found them very helpful, especially trying to contextualize the bigger picture about what was going on around the time my elderly father died of Covid19 in April 2020.

    For months now I had to look elsewhere and thankfully Dr John Campbell based in the UK has been providing excellent content.

    Chris I want you back!

     

    John P

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  • Sat, Apr 24, 2021 - 9:57am

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    timot78 said:

    Yes, it is.

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  • Sat, Apr 24, 2021 - 5:41pm

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    new treatments for covid, three are listed above ivermectin in efficacy

    Thank you Andy for listing this summary of new promising drugs.  You reference your go to site: https://c19early.com

    Ivermectin is listed as the 4th most effective drug on this list.  Vitamin D is 5th. (both very effective).  So, what were the top 3 new treatments summarized in this paper?

    ♯1.The top listed new drug had an amazing reported effect on hospitalized (not tested much on early treatment) patients.  This drug  "proxalutamide," was orally administered and was most amazing, dropping death rate in the hospitalized patients from 48 percent to 4 percent (it seems that most of these patients were already on oxygen or mechanical ventilators).  Anyone know how to get samples of this drug for resilient community use outside the reach of the fascists?  I would love to add this to my arsenal.

    #2 on this list of effective new drugs was "bromhexine."  This is off patent and provided particularly good results.  This helps the lungs expel virus and is used for chest congestion in Europe, but is not available in the US (or Japan).  Those of us with asthma and who are worried about this secondary risk factor might seriously consider buying this on ebay after consulting with a medical doctor, although I see it is over the counter in Europe.

    #3 (third most effective new drug) on this list was the common povidone iodine (used as a throat spray).  Most preppers have this as an antiseptic, or should get it, if we dont already.

    #4 is ivermectin
    #5 is vitamin D

    My take on this is that those of us outside the mesmerizing influence of the fascists and who are already using ivermectin/vitamin D (if based on consultation with a medical doctor of course), should consider adding a. throat spray of the iodine solution known as betadine; b. taking pills or liquid form of bromhexine upon infection to help the lungs clear; and c. try to get some proxalutamide.

    # 6 listed is a known general antiviral Nitazoxanide

    #9 listed was zinc.
    #10 listed was remdesivir
    #11 listed was the drug that I cannot name due to American fascism, and
    #12 on the list was vitamin C.

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  • Sat, Apr 24, 2021 - 5:55pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

    Cool!

    What sort of safety profile do proxalutamide and bromhexine have?

    Ivermectin is nice because its cheap, has few contra-indications and doesn't hurt you if you accidentally take enough for a horse twice your size.

     

    I look forward to watching the WHO stonewall adoption of these new drugs

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  • Sat, Apr 24, 2021 - 6:07pm

    Mots

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    proxalutamide and bromhexine

    Proxalutamide I believe is subject to patent rights.  Therefore, it might become available at 3000$ per pill, based on how the fascists can finagle that.  Or it will become contraband as an evil toxin, if they cannot enhance their finances with it.  I cant find toxicity info but note that it was studied recently (2016-2020) for prostate cancer and has some serious effects in the body.

    Bromhexine, on the other hand, has been used as an active ingredient in a cough syrup (based on an original form discovered from a plant) for more than 100 years in Europe.  The Australian govt states: "Bromhexine is an oral mucolytic agent with a low level of associated toxicity."  It would be interesting to explore whether the fascists who control robitussin (which is in the same market but apparently much less effective) used their ownership of the US govt to keep that out of America.

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  • Thu, Apr 29, 2021 - 7:20pm

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    I found these references:  https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/corona-triage-pflegeheime-100.html

     

    Clearly , many  less cases after Jan'21.   In elderly age group this cannot translate into > 5x more deaths?

     

    This is a total death count in Germany , and clearly there has been 3rd wave (about 3 wks after new infection wave)  https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/corona-todeszahlen-deutschland-100.html.

     

    This is the most comprehensive summary of charts re: Cv-19 in Germany, but the one posted elsewhere is nowhere to find.

    Germany - CV19 deaths

     

     

    Germany- cases before and after vaccination (age groups)

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  • Fri, Apr 30, 2021 - 10:46am

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    Bromhexine,

    Wot, Bromhexine (#2 on the list provided by Mots) seems to have minor side effects. https://docprime.com/bromhexine-mddp

    It is unavailable in the US but is sold OTC and on-line in Europe. Also known as Bisolvon or Bromex it sells for around $10 for a 10 day supply (7 euro for 30 x 8 mg pills)

    https://www.illicopharma.com/affections-bronchiques/9797-bisolvon-8mg-30cpr-3400937360616.html

    I am exploring the possibility of a European pharmacy shipping to the US but don't expect to have any luck. The drug is also available in Australia and many other countries.

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  • Fri, Apr 30, 2021 - 1:27pm

    Mots

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    bromhexine

    Boomer41
    I ordered 120ml of German made bromhexine via ebay for 40$ including shipping.  "Bromhexin 4 Berlin-Chemie Mixture Bronchitis Strong Treatment"

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  • Fri, Apr 30, 2021 - 3:17pm

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    Bromhexine Supplier in France

    Mots,

    It turns out the French pharmacy I linked (illicopharma.com) will ship to the US and Canada. Shipping is not 'free' however. They charge 42.90 euro for orders of less than 59 euro and have a maximum order of six boxes.

    So, six friends sharing could buy a box each (ten day supply) for a grand total of 85 euro ($102 US) including shipping, or $17 US per box.

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  • Fri, Apr 30, 2021 - 5:48pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

    @mots Thanks for the heads up.  I ordered off ebay too.  Mine is made in Germany but comes from the Russian Federation (oooohhh, I hope Putin doesn't jump out of the box when I open it).

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  • Fri, Apr 30, 2021 - 6:05pm

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    Nebulized peroxide?

    I don't see nebulized hydrogen peroxide on that list.

    After reading about it here: https://www.georgekramermd.com/hydrogenperoxide/

    and here: https://riordanclinic.org/nebulized-peroxide/

    It seems to make sense to me.  Also no drugs if that's a thing for anyone.

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  • Fri, Apr 30, 2021 - 7:11pm

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    LB86 said:

    Hello,

    Bromhexine is OTC in Mexico.

    Regards,

    Ed

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  • Fri, Apr 30, 2021 - 7:13pm

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    What about nebulized iota-carragenan?

    We should all be thinking about getting a nebulizer.. lots of beneficial things can be nebulized;

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0237480

    Iota-carrageenan neutralizes SARS-CoV-2 and inhibits viral replication in vitro

    Remember, carragenan was one of the components of a very successful Ivermectin proplyaxis study mentioned in the new Ivermectin paper just (finally, four months post peer review) published by Kory and team.

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  • Sun, May 02, 2021 - 8:17pm

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    whiteycov19 said:

    Can I ask where does it say from any medical scientific authority that if you are eati9ng / behaving healthily you will not get seriously sick from Covid?  I've heard some clowns suggest this to me as well with no proof (and shortly before wolfing down 2 big mac's 🙂 ;  It may help in the recovery but there are numerous examples of athletes at the peak of their performance getting hospitalised and seriously affected.  Plus these new strains are going to be an ongoing concern if the ridiculous anti-vaccers get to go on with life and get away with receiving no punitive result, slowing our recovery down and increasing the chance of a strain beating al our vaccines...

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  • Sun, May 02, 2021 - 8:34pm

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    whiteycov19 said:

    you waiting for 100 billion people toi get it - 100million have got it and virtually no side effects of concenrn apart from linked cases whereby they lielly relate to a health problem.  Antivaccers are going to ruin every aspect of our lives if this gets out of hand.  I these antivaccers are so confident in their abiulity to fight covid, maybe send all antivaccers to india so they get it and then quarantine for a fortnight after they are better before coming back home and we won't have to worry about herd imunity never being reached.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 2:09am

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    To whiteycovid19 about healthy people having less risk of dying

    It is a reasonable assumption to say that the members of the military are healthier than the general population as a whole. As of late December last year 14 service members had died from it.
    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/12/23/covid-19-cases-among-us-military-personnel-top-100000.html

    The government is having a problem getting the troops to take the vaccine. 30-40% of some units have refused. Note: since the vaccine is NOT FDA APPROVED military members cannot be forced to take it.
    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/04/30/biden-making-covid-vaccine-mandatory-troops-im-going-leave-it-military.html

    this article says 24 service members have now died from covid although no percentage of past positivity is shown it can be assumed to be in line with the rest of the population at over 10%. Members of the military are NOT anti vaxers. They receive more vaxes in a military career than the general population probably 3x the normal amount of vaccines or more. Are you saying you want the members of our military to go to India and catch covid Because they don’t want a non FDA approved vaccine on top of the other 50 vaccines they have already had? When you sign up to serve your country you give up a number of your rights. You Cannot even dictate your own medical treatment in many cases. However, this vaccine is not FDA approved and so the DOD is giving the service members a choice. Many and exercising their RIGHT not to receive a non FDA approved experimental vaccine.

     

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 2:49am

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    athletes at peak of performance getting hospitalized: how?

    Can I ask where does it say from any medical scientific authority that if you are eati9ng / behaving healthily you will not get seriously sick from Covid?  I've heard some clowns suggest this to me as well with no proof (and shortly before wolfing down 2 big mac's 🙂 ;  It may help in the recovery but there are numerous examples of athletes at the peak of their performance getting hospitalised and seriously affected...

    Awesome question.  Here is the evidence you asked for.  I knew none of this last month.  It makes logical sense, but - like you, I didn't have a clue about just how all this stuff affected disease resistance until quite recently.

    For the tl;dr answer, look at the fascinating "J-curve" (below) on exercise intensity and vulnerability to URTI (upper respiratory tract infection - of which COVID is one).

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095254618301005?via%3Dihub#bib0065

    Sitting on the couch is "normal" (i.e. "sedentary"), moderate exercise gets you maximum resistance (a 50% reduction in URTI), and then from there, the harder you work out, the MORE vulnerable you get, until you finally arrive at  "heavy exertion" (elite athlete at peak of performance) levels, where you are 2-6 TIMES more vulnerable than the couch potatoes!

    Professor/Dr Seheult of Medcram explains this, and more, for those who find reading tedious, and or want to listen to the evidence in the middle of their...moderate 30-minute daily exercise regime, which is good for a 50% increase in immunity to URTI, did I mention that?  Time for walkies!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnvdUAiTw54

    Kaiser Permanente also did a huge study on physical activity and its effects on member hospitalization and death from COVID19.  The massive study says roughly the same thing as the "J-curve" paper: KaiPerm saw a massive reduction in risk for their members who meet PA goals, vs inactives - with matching co-morbidities, age brackets, BMI, and the ike.

    https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/early/2021/04/07/bjsports-2021-104080.full.pdf

    Patients with COVID-19 who were consistently inactive had a greater risk of
    hospitalisation (OR 2.26; 95% CI 1.81 to 2.83),
    admission to the ICU (OR 1.73; 95% CI 1.18 to 2.55) and
    death (OR 2.49; 95% CI 1.33 to 4.67)
    due to COVID-19 than patients who were consistently meeting physical activity guidelines.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 3:45am

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    The mutations popped up where the vaccines were trialed

    It is entirely possible the vaccines are creating the mutations.

    As for sending people to India, we could just end lockdowns get the young people who are largely unaffected to get natural immunity.  Combine that with the number of vaxxed and we could hit heard immunity by the end of the summer.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 5:01am

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    intheor said:

    Absolutely,well said.

    Warning .....,a bunch of folks will flame you for telling that very true statement.

    Its not what a lot of folks want to hear.

    I believe you are correct.

    My nephew,has long term covid,18 years old ,perfect bmi,high school jock.

    Poor kid spent 2 months in the ICU.

    We almost lost him.

    Heart damage,nerve damage.

    Everyone asking how could this happen?

    People just underestimate ,WHAT,this disease can do,now or in future years.

    This site will most likely label you as a deep state plant,or an A.I.program,for telling your story.

    Ones truth,is often viewed as a threat to others wants,these days.

    unfortunately.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 5:09am

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    intheor said:

    Vaccines creating variants?

    Absolutely not the reason for what is happening,its not in the make up.

    Mutations are happening everywhere,this disease is being allowed to run.

    Thats what happens,when people do not all hold the same needs.

    The disease is like a colony of ants,that you only removed part of your roofs water damage and infiltration.

    The colony is weakened,but will strengthen, because of it.

    Really,because it was not completely taken seriously.

     

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 5:36am

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    brushhog said:

    Isnt it funny how common sense now requires the backing of charts, graphs, and something written by somebody associated with "science" before some people can accept the obvious?

    The "medical scientific authority" has been dead wrong about literally everything in the course of this disease. Yet, the fanatically faithful require their approval before blowing their own nose.

    Any half-assed farmer can tell you that any plant or animal species on earth will fair better, and withstand disease better if it's healthy, well fed, and strong. Thats not "science" its life and its universal common sense. If a scientist disagrees with that, then the scientist is wrong.

    I guess this is the result of people living their lives more and more in a virtual reality. They've lost touch with the basic understanding of life and how reality works. Chasing those dopamine pumps with your head in your phone comes at a price...we're seeing it now.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 5:46am

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    agree

    Isnt it funny how common sense now requires the backing of charts, graphs, and something written by somebody associated with "science" before some people can accept the obvious?

    ...

    I guess this is the result of people living their lives more and more in a virtual reality. They've lost touch with the basic understanding of life and how reality works. Chasing those dopamine pumps with your head in your phone comes at a price...we're seeing it now.

    I do think we've lost touch with our own inner nature, just like you say.

    For me, since I'm a charts guy, I have a special attachment for charts & data.  They provide me motivation that I find harder to get all on my own.  I look at that number "50%" and think, "wow, I can do that without much difficulty."

    Motivation is stronger for me when things are quantified.  Sure, I know that meditation helps, but if I knew it chopped 30% off my risk profile, it would motivate me even more!

    Its just how I'm built.  Maybe its just my engineering background.

    Hmm.  Come to think of it, it is definitely due to my background.  I spent a decent-sized chunk of my life trying to make programs run faster, and that process was all about profiling the existing program, seeing where the bottlenecks were, and then adjusting the algorithms to work better.

    "Oh look, I can get a 30% increase in speed if I just make that one routine more efficient."

    This feels quite a bit like the same process.  Except its with me, not some program.  And it all required me to collect data on how things performed, and then to poke at the program until it got better.

    So I'm probably unique in my delight in finding this sort of stuff.  🙂

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 6:06am

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    brushhog said:

    I hear you, but I was referring to the demand for proof from "medical scientific authority" that prompted you to have to provide it to begin with. At this point, it is a very powerful thing to be able to provide the charts and studies but isnt it silly sometimes when we have to provide those things for shit that everybody is supposed to know?

    I can imagine ten years from now the arguments; "Should I blow my nose when I have a cold, what is the scientific evidence that such thing should be done?"

    "Well according to a study done at John Hopkins' mucus is reduced by 30% by each blow...here's a graph and the findings of Dr Dillingsworth ...."

    "Wiping your bottom after defecating, here's what the experts say...."

    We have to, of course, realize that none of those studies and charts are right. They are loose and flawed approximations of reality. That 30% isnt likely to be 30% in your practice. It might be 50% it might be 1%. It's just a vague direction from which we might conclude that something probably works or doesnt. Thats why studies are constantly contradicting each other. They arent precise instruments and they're not supposed to be accepted at face value [ any good scientist would agree ].

    I applaud and respect your ability to delve into the science, which is important, but it concerns me a little bit when people seem to depend on these things in leu of common sense and life experience.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 6:11am

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    Whiteycov19,

    What we seem to be understanding about the injection is that the spike proteins alone cause covid 19 symptoms, plus it looks like the jab is poisoning the blood. Why can't those in favour of the jab admit that they backed the wrong horse?

    We are dealing with an RNA virus, whether you believe these injections are causing mutations or not is irrelevant to your argument. Variants occur faster than these injections can be manufactured and distributed. We already hear about vaccine breakthrough in Israel for example.

    In light of that, the Great Barrington Declaration was the only workable solution. But of course it benefitted the masses and not the corperations.

    Your name calling and slander really doesn't help the situation.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 6:25am

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    This isn’t a vaccine in the true sense

    This is a tool to get everyone infected with spike proteins.  A vaccine would use a weakened or dead virus.

    So yes, the spike protein would likely mutate as quadrillions of copies are spread throughout the world in billions of different “vaccinated” individuals.

    We do need to consider that the  variants that are more concerning are happening in the spike protein and the locations (Brazil, South Africa, UK) where vaccine trials were underway last fall.

    There are many more variants that we never hear about because they are not more problematic.  The ones that are a problem, either because it is more contagious or more deadly, are those who have mutations in the spike protein.

    I am sorry to hear about your nephew.

     

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 6:43am

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    Hi Kathy,

    I think that is the part of the puzzle that most people are missing. These interventions do not meet the medical requirements of a vaccine. I.e. they do not provide immunity, nor are they dead/attenuated viruses. And so the public has been duped.

    Will they realise this slight of hand? Will they want to?

    I am working under the assumption that those of our institutions which are performing poorly (e.g. national health care, national government) are actually in a state of collapse from which they will never recover.

    One of the things I am starting to look at now is natural medicine and preventative treatment through diet and lifestyle. I really do think we are in for some rough sledding in the years ahead.

    And people can blame those 'damn anti vaxxers' as much as they want. Their civilisation will still crumble regardless as it mimics some Aztecian death cult just waiting to be pushed over.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 7:00am

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    hmm

    I hear you, but I was referring to the demand for proof from "medical scientific authority" that prompted you to have to provide it to begin with. At this point, it is a very powerful thing to be able to provide the charts and studies but isnt it silly sometimes when we have to provide those things for shit that everybody is supposed to know?

    Heh.  Well, if I were going to read between the lines here, I'd guess that the original poster was looking for a reason to dismiss the arguments of his conversation partner.  "Bah.  'Being healthy' is all just 'Big Supplements/Nature Boy' bullshit propaganda.  Pharma has all the answers in this little pill, or this shot of gene therapy.  That's the only 'science' that works."

    I don't think the poster's attitude is accidental.  Pharma makes a lot more money if we all have this worldview.  Remove all hints of agency, and you are under their complete control.  You are the ore, and they are the miners.  The poster is an example of this.  People wake up slowly, one at a time.  Perhaps this poster will awaken given the evidence.  We can hope.

    Google: "supplements <space>" and you'll see what the auto-complete says.  Mostly, its not "will help you a lot."  I'm guessing Pharma has something to do with that also.

    They have a thousand ways to keep people operating within their 20%-of-GDP-sickcare narrative.

    But once you wake up, its all really obvious.  You just assume malicious-greed-centered intent - covering up side effects, lying about efficacy, and so on - and most of the time, you'll be right.  The hard work - and usually its not all that hard - is just finding the evidence for the case in question.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 7:18am

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    data vs data free assertions

    Absolutely,well said.

    Warning .....,a bunch of folks will flame you for telling that very true statement.

    First, I'm sorry about your nephew.  I really wish we didn't live in a "no early treatment for you" country (assuming you're in the U.S.).  If he had gotten early treatment he most likely would have fared much better.

    Second, I'm making a pre-emptive statement: I'm not flaming you here, just pointing out what I see.

    First, your nephew's case, while tragic, is a single anecdote.  The overall statistics show young people are at very low risk.  Young people with adequate physical activity, adequate vitamin D, healthy BMI, and ivermectin available as a backup would probably be at essentially zero risk.  One case should not define a public health policy.

    Second, did you notice davefairtex posted actual data showing the physically active people are at much lower risk from covid than those who are not active. You presented nearly a data-free assertion.  Note "much lower" does not mean "zero".  Unfortunately your nephew was very unlucky.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 7:24am

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    A real Vaccine

    Kathy: This is a tool to get everyone infected with spike proteins.  A vaccine would use a weakened or dead virus.

    I read that the Chinese developed a vaccine that actually used a dead virus and it seems to work, but it's probably too soon to know for sure. It's called CoronaVac and it's made by a private company in China.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/sinovac-covid-19-vaccine.html

     

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 7:55am

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    Yes and there are more

    I haven’t done the research on Novavax or Vacart, but there are more and more options coming down the pike.  I think we will eventually get an effective/safe vaccine I just don’t think we are there yet.  I think it makes a lot of sense to vaccinate those at risk from severe Covid.  I think testing everyone’s vitamin D and supplementing if needed makes a lot sense.  Every Covid test should be paired with a vitamin D test, the mere fact that we aren’t doing that vitamin D testing tells me the managers aren’t looking for a solution.  Thus I question the hard push for everyone to get vaccines.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 8:50am

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    Well said Kathy...

    the mere fact that we aren’t doing that vitamin D testing tells me the managers aren’t looking for a solution. Thus I question the hard push for everyone to get vaccines.

    We are clearly headed for some sort of Vax Tyranny.  The question is why?  We need to wargame this out and identify the likely evolution of this Vax Tyranny so that we can develop the most effective strategies to push back on it.  It's likely about absolute control of the masses.

    That all of the available "vaccines" in the Western world are mRNA is very telling, since this is not a vaccine, but a software operating system for your immune system.  My evolving view through the lens of various commentators like Bossche is that the new software is going to effectively replace our delicate, natural, broad-based, multi-layered immune system function with a hammer into our antibody-generating system that creates a singular and strongly binding antibody immune response to a particular protein (in this case spike protein) sequence.  Once the new software is installed, I think that we can identify the model by which the natural evolutionary biology of the virus behind Covid-19 will be harnessed to impose a form of vaccine tyranny.. and I am not talking about not being able to travel, or not being able to go to a workplace.. I am talking about not dying.  The model is Marek's disease.

      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous

    The deadliest strains of viruses often take care of themselves — they flare up and then die out. This is because they are so good at destroying cells and causing illness that they ultimately kill their host before they have time to spread.

    But a chicken virus that represents one of the deadliest germs in history breaks from this conventional wisdom, thanks to an inadvertent effect from a vaccine. Chickens vaccinated against Marek’s disease rarely get sick. But the vaccine does not prevent them from spreading Marek’s to unvaccinated birds.

    “With the hottest strains, every unvaccinated bird dies within 10 days. There is no human virus that is that hot. Ebola, for example, doesn’t kill everything in 10 days.”
    In fact, rather than stop fowl from spreading the virus, the vaccine allows the disease to spread faster and longer than it normally would, a new study finds. The scientists now believe that this vaccine has helped this chicken virus become uniquely virulent. (Note: it only harms fowl). The study was published on Monday in the journal PLOS Biology.

    This is the first time that this virus-boosting phenomenon, known as the imperfect vaccine hypothesis, has been observed experimentally.

    The reason this is a problem for Marek’s disease is because the vaccine is “leaky.” A leaky vaccine is one that keeps a microbe from doing serious harm to its host, but doesn’t stop the disease from replicating and spreading to another individual. On the other hand, a “perfect” vaccine is one that sets up lifelong immunity that never wanes and blocks both infection and transmission.

    The article is from 2015.  Dispel yourselves of the notion that our health authorities had, "no idea" that something like this could happen in the case of Covid-19, or that the ideas of Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche were coming out of left field... no, this was written about by PBS in 2015.

    So there it is.  I submit to you that the model for Vaxx Tyranny is Marek's disease, and as "hotter", more transmissible variants with mutated spike proteins come around, those with the new pharma antibody software will become very dependent on the new mRNA updates or... well... get very sick and/or die.

    The only way to avoid this (hopefully.. there is this discussion of how the vaxxed are shedding) is to become more and more knowledgeable and armed with supplements and therapeutics.  Because there are so many substances that that have shown efficacy individually or in small combinations, I am confident that there are larger combinations, or cocktails that will be pretty bullet-proof as protection for the unvaxxed.. for those outside the matrix.  We are in an information war.. we cannot be passive in this regard.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 9:04am

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    BTW.... Fuck You GBI

    Fuck you investors for keeping Chris out of the game for so long in this crucial time.  I am not mad at Chris.. I am mad at you.  I will keep putting out content that informs and challenges the narrative worldview that your globalist masters prefer.  You can keep Chris muzzled with your petty legal games, but you can't muzzle me.  I am free and I will die on this hill if needed...

    Vax Tyranny is upon us... I hear your voice (GBI) in every mainstream article like this that I see;

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/time-start-shunning-vaccine-hesitant-080043779.html

    So really, just FUCK YOU

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 9:12am

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    New film

    Posted this on another thread but thought I'd share it here as well.

    Film out of the UK called The Pushback. It can be found here.

    https://www.oraclefilms.com

    Have not watched it all yet but flicking through it looks pretty good.

     

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 9:21am

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    coh said:

    Fuck you investors for keeping Chris out of the game for so long in this crucial time.  I am not mad at Chris.. I am mad at you.  I will keep putting out content that informs and challenges the narrative worldview that your globalist masters prefer.  You can keep Chris muzzled with your petty legal games, but you can't muzzle me.  I am free and I will die on this hill if needed...

    Vax Tyranny is upon us... I hear your voice (GBI) in every mainstream article like this that I see;

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/time-start-shunning-vaccine-hesitant-080043779.html

    So really, just FUCK YOU

    It really has gone past the point of ridiculousness and is starting to seem like a concerted effort to keep Chris quiet (regardless of what he says). I get that finalizing legal transactions can take time, but when was that last video by Chris - early January? Four months?

    I guess we should be happy that the forum hasn't been shut down or more heavily censored than it has but this is such a critical time period

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 9:31am

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    Blaggers said:

    Well said Jim.

    The overreach from government, media, social media, health authorities and now GBI is unbelievable.

    Scary times......if you are 'awake'.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 9:37am

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    Re: Fuck GBI

    Good point in calling this out again Jim H. The longer the lack of leadership on this site continues in this critical time the more it appears intentionally drawn out by GBI. Expectations are set to "low" for the near future.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 9:50am

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    nuff said

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 9:55am

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    Kat43 said:

    John Oliver proved a couple years ago he understands pretty much nothing about vaccines. 

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 10:14am

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    Mercola threatened

    I posted this on another thread but it fits better here.

    Dr. Mercola just posted an article saying he will remove most COVID-related articles from his site due to persistent, serious threats from moneyed interests. Excerpt:

    "Unfortunately, threats have now become very personal and have intensified to the point I can no longer preserve much of the information and research I’ve provided to you thus far. So, effective immediately, much of the information on my website will be permanently removed."

    Looks like the efforts to prevent questions is all pervasive. Here's the link:

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/05/04/removing-articles-related-to-vitamin-d-c-and-zinc.aspx

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 10:25am

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    A word on monoclonal antibodies

    One possible means to diffuse some of the Vaxx Tyranny  is to actually champion the acceptance of monoclonal antibodies, such as those that have passed phase 3 trials at Regeneron.  They seem about as effective as early HCQ cocktail, and maybe not as effective as early Ivermectin cocktail, but still 70% reduction of hospitalization or death is nothing to sneeze at;

      Phase 3 Trial Shows REGEN-COV™ (casirivimab with imdevimab) Antibody Cocktail Reduced Hospitalization or Death by 70% in Non-hospitalized COVID-19 Patients | Regeneron Pharmaceuticals Inc.

    Honestly, these look pretty safe.  The reason they are less scary than the mRNA vaccine is that in this case, you are going straight to antibodies.  No taking over your cellular machinery, no circulating raw spike protein.  Although I would personally still rather go the route of IVM if I get infected, I think that for argument's sake it would be beneficial to suss out the positive case for Pharma's revolutionary monoclonal antibodies as a means to compare/contrast with the downsides of the mRNA vaccines.  A way to tell the story, to point out the dangers of the vaccines, on factual, technical terms without having the bring up trigger words like Ivermectin.  Just an idea.....

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 10:41am

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    little gold bars

    JimH-

    Hey, doesn't You Know Who own Hard Assets Alliance?

    https://hardassetsalliance.com/contact/

    The Hard Assets Alliance
    750 Third Ave
    Suite 702
    New York, NY 10017

    And definitely GoldSilver.com too - at least the "official inquiries" address:

    750 Third Avenue
    Suite 702
    New York, NY 10017
    United States

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 11:28am

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    inhaled alpaca antibodies vs covid

    Speaking of antibodies, here is a fun news story today -- apparently alpaca-cultivated anti-Sars2 antibodies are 10 times smaller than human ones so this scientist suggests the best way to administer them is by inhaling them

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/irish-scientist-optimistic-alpaca-can-be-ally-in-in-fight-against-covid-19-1.4553806

     

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 11:35am

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    Thanks. I reported on this development at this site about a week ago and got shot down by some lurker who didn't want to believe it. This is an expansion of what happened then -- then it was only Vit D, C and zinc -- the addition of covid 19 to the list, plus the explanation is absolutely an escalation. His explanation is well worth reading. A dark day in the history of the First Amendment.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 12:04pm

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    John Oliver's list of "concerns"

    1. African  American concerns: Well, maybe they should doubt medical authority given their history?  In any case, this concern has nothing to offer in terms of getting to the bottom of the vaccine safety issue.
    2. Gates and nanobots:  Come on, we here at PP mostly see that as total BS.
    3. Too fast - we're guinea pigs: OK, they developed it fast.  But no one can argue that they have emergency use authorizations and the mass rollout is essentially the phase III trial.  It is simply hubris to assume we know the results of that trial in advance.
    4. Alex Jones: Come on, we all know it's bullshit.
    5. MRNA doesn't enter the genome: Serious published research actually suggests this is not true in some unknown number of cases.  This has been documented in other threads.  I won't search for the link now.
    6. Pregnancy and fertility:  The phase II trial was hugely underpowered with regards to answering this question.  There is some real world data now that the vaccine has been administered to lots of health care workers of child bearing age.  I haven't seen a review of this aggregated data and suspect it is not being collected in any methodical way.
    7. People die after the vaccine - of course anecdotes don't answer the question.  I remember that the Norway nursing home deaths were at least somewhat statistically anonymous.
    8. VAERS: of course, VAERS is not the final word,  Some of those people really did just coincidentally get sick or die after the vaccine.  On the other hand, the reported data almost certainly represents a minority of the moderate and even severe reactions and probably deaths too.  I personally know at least a dozen stories of moderate to severe reactions including two hospitalizations that were almost certainly not reported to VAERS.  On our weekly team meeting (online of course) at work, several of the people who proudly proclaim their second dose had the equivalent of a bad case of the flu from the vaccine.
    9. Herd immunity:  So natural infection doesn't count towards herd immunity?  Which provides more broad and durable immunity the natural disease or the vaccine?

    Finally, there is serious and real research from mainstream, established researchers that suggests that the spike protein alone can cause significant damage to the lungs and the inner lining of the cirulatory system.

    Oliver's routine is definitely not "Enough said" other than to reinforce my judgement of you, Doug as an unthinking follower of the mainstream narrative.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 12:06pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

    This is an expansion of what happened then -- then it was only Vit D, C and zinc -- the addition of covid 19 to the list, plus the explanation is absolutely an escalation. His explanation is well worth reading

    This turn of events sure doesn't leave me wondering if we will ever see the Chris we once knew again.

    One would hope he could come on here and say, "I'm definitely not changing my focus  due to threats I have received" without causing The Investors any annoyance.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 1:39pm

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    John Oliver

    1.  Yes, of course, African Americans have reason to be skeptical of medical science, not because of the science, but because of some of the practitioners.

    2. agreed.

    3. "It is simply hubris to assume we know the results of that trial in advance"  Somewhat true, but it is also clear we know much and are learning more about the side effects of having covid, and they are bad, and vaccinations work in preventing them.  And, as Oliver pointed out, there have been zero deaths caused by vaccines.

    4. Agreed, but don't forget Tucker Carlson, another raging bullshit artist.

    5. cysp (cite your sources please).

    6. Lack of data doesn't prove anything.

    7.  "statistically anonymous"  I assume you meant anomalous.  Again cysp.

    8. VAERS are just anecdotal reports, meaning no evidence.  You know people who claim having reactions like bad cases of flu.  I know a lot of people who are fully vaccinated including my nuclear family, the kids' SOs and their families and numerous close friends.  I have yet to hear of any symptoms beyond a sore arm and generally not feeling so well the next day.  That was true of my family and friends.  My anecdotal evidence checks yours.

    9. Natural infection, as I understand it, does count toward herd immunity, but it is also my understanding that natural infection plus vaccination makes individual immunity much stronger than natural alone.

    "Finally, there is serious and real research from mainstream, established researchers that suggests that the spike protein alone can cause significant damage to the lungs and the inner lining of the cirulatory system." cysp

    Cheap shot.  You make a lot of claims for which you do not cite sources.  Instead, you seem to follow the PP narrative, which, btw, is frequently wrong.  Do I respect the findings of scientists like Dr. Fauci or Dr Osterholm, institutions like the CDC and major research research centers virtually everywhere, or judgments of philanthropists like Bill Gates over anyone on PP, none of whom have any credentials as far as I know?  Absolutely.

    That's my bias, what's yours?

    Doug

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 1:52pm

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    re: John Oliver

    8. VAERS are just anecdotal reports, meaning no evidence. You know people who claim having reactions like bad cases of flu. I know a lot of people who are fully vaccinated including my nuclear family, the kids' SOs and their families and numerous close friends. I have yet to hear of any symptoms beyond a sore arm and generally not feeling so well the next day. That was true of my family and friends. My anecdotal evidence checks yours.

    This is what I'm wrestling with. I know dozens of people who've gotten various vaccines (including my wife) and have not heard of one significant side effect. And yet we have this VAERS data which shows thousands of reports of various problems post vaccine. What gives? I still have to wonder, are we really seeing anything significant here or is this just what  you would expect to see when you randomly sample over 100 million people (many older and unhealthy) over a 3 or 4 month period? Remember 7000 Americans die every day under normal conditions, many others get blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, etc. My dad suffered from blood clots many times and never got a covid vaccine.

    Right now I've got a poll going on my social media sites. I asked people to report if they had any kinds of unusual symptoms after receiving covid vaccines. So far, sample is rather small (a dozen or so) but absolutely no one in the group who responded had any unusual adverse effect.

    On the other hand, I have been somewhat surprised at the tone of some of the responses. One in particular who told me I should talk to a doctor I trust and stop getting medical advice from social media. Basically get in line and don't question or think about it, do what's right for those around you, etc. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 2:23pm

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    intheor said:

    Thank you Kathy for the kind words,they go a long way.

    I believe we have a situation that is fluid,though some do not want to admit it.

    Yes,its not a normal vaccine,but its doing what a vaccine is suppose to achieve.

    Good enough for me.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 2:58pm

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    EddieLarry said:

    coh, my wife and ZI got the two Moderna shots with almost 0 side effects.  Just a bit of muscle stiffness with the second.  So far, it’s all good.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 3:16pm

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    Making money, spo-de-o-dee

    For me Mots, it is making money snd staying healthy.  Truth is over rated, and I am a philosopher!

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 3:48pm

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    From the UK

    The passage below is what led the UK Government / Health department to suspend use of AstraZeneca jabs in the under 30s (emphasis mine).

    So the theory that these jabs only give sore arms is a bit ridiculous.

    Thrombo-embolic events with concurrent low platelets

    Up to 21 April 2021, the MHRA had received Yellow Card reports of 209 cases of major thromboembolic events (blood clots) with concurrent thrombocytopenia (low platelet counts) in the UK following vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca.

    These events occurred in 120 women and 89 men aged from 18 to 93 years and the overall case fatality rate was 19% with 41 deaths. Four cases have been reported after a second dose. Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis was reported in 84 cases (average age 47 years) and 123 had other major thromboembolic events (average age 55 years) with concurrent thrombocytopenia. Diagnosis was unclear in the remaining two cases.

    The estimated number of first doses of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca administered in the UK by 21 April was 22 million giving an overall case incidence of 9.3 per million doses. The data suggest there is a higher incidence reported in the younger adult age groups and the MHRA advises that this evolving evidence should be taken into account when considering the use of the vaccine.

    Edit: Link - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 5:34pm

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    coh said:

    So the theory that these jabs only give sore arms is a bit ridiculous.

    That's not the theory, though - or at least  not what I'm saying. There are probably some serious side effects that are being caused by the vaccines and we need to figure out what those are, how frequent they are, etc. But any sample of 100 million + over 3-4 months (speaking of US, not Europe) is going to have a large number of medical events that may or may not be related to the vaccine. The difficult task is to separate out the vaccine-related events from background.

    As for the specific numbers you listed...9.3 cases per million. That's a pretty low rate so the questions are, what is the true rate (assume not all have been reported), and how does it compare to the rate of bad outcomes from the actual covid disease (which I believe is considerably higher than 9.3 per million)...is it an acceptable risk or trade off?

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 5:47pm

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    Links

    Not a cheap shot Doug.  It was the middle of my work day and I had no time to pursue links:

    Spike protein damage.  The links were all over this site the past day or two.  Here they are:

    https://scitechdaily.com/sars-cov-2-spike-protein-alone-may-cause-covid-19-lung-damage-even-without-the-presence-of-intact-virus/

    https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/

    https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlSyt7EjmrE

    At 34:34 in the video

    5. cysp (cite your sources please).

    I'm sorry, I can't find it.  It was a week or two ago on this site.  I took the time to read the original paper.  It presented a plausible theory that both the virus itself and the vaccine can reverse transcript mRNA into DNA.  Other viruses have been proven to do it.

    6. Lack of data doesn't prove anything.

    Seriously?  Just recommend the vaccine for pregnant women without making any effort to determine it's safety during pregnancy?

    7. "statistically anonymous" I assume you meant anomalous. Again cysp.

    Sorry, that was a month ago.  I'll let that one slide.

    8. VAERS are just anecdotal reports, meaning no evidence. You know people who claim having reactions like bad cases of flu. I know a lot of people who are fully vaccinated including my nuclear family, the kids' SOs and their families and numerous close friends. I have yet to hear of any symptoms beyond a sore arm and generally not feeling so well the next day. That was true of my family and friends. My anecdotal evidence checks yours.

    Unfortunately, it's all we've got.  I'm not sure it it has happened or will happen, but the manufacturers want to unblind their phase II trials and give the vaccine to the control group. Here's a post I made recently.  Yes, it's anectdotal, but I've overheard plenty of patient-doctor interactions before and they were always about mundane issues:

    This certainly sheds light on the third of my 3 experiences of conversing with or overhearing conversations in medical settings over the past month.  Please note that these are the only conversations I overheard, so I’m not cherry picking.

    1. Hospital roommate of a patient I am visiting.  70-75 years old.  Hospitalized for neurological symptoms that mainly include shaking/tremors to the point where it is impacting her speech.  The husband reminds her that they are safe because they completed their second dose a couple of weeks ago.
    2. Doctor’s waiting room.  A woman in her 50s who just completed her vaccines tells me she is worried because she can’t lift either arm above her shoulders.
    3. Emergency room hallway.  A woman, 40ish is brought in with many little bruises over her legs and arms as well as other symptoms I can't recall. She claims no impacts could explain this which seems likely given the number and small size of the bruises.

    Natural infection, as I understand it, does count toward herd immunity, but it is also my understanding that natural infection plus vaccination makes individual immunity much stronger than natural alone.

    Right back at you.  Cite your sources please.  I've seen many sources that suggest the narrow spike-protein only immunity provided by the vaccine is problematic in the long run.

    Finally,  I'm just totally pissed off  at you as I write this.  You contribute a John Oliver video, clearly much of it cherry-picked for effect and a funny to some, but with, shall we say, a very non-rigorous approach.  When I go to refute, you tell me several times "cite your sources please".

    Meanwhile, I'm just summarizing (admittedly without links) the excellent data mining and careful reading of published, peer-reviewed papers by a few dedicated people on this site, quite  few by mainstream scientists in top-tier journals that have appeared here over recent weeks.  You obviously haven't been paying attention even as you have posted quite a few times at least on this thread, until you felt called to drop a little video in with the post subject "nuff said".  Really Doug, I'm just freaking angry at you.

    And I don't feel like engaging with you any more.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 6:57pm

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    Fourth attempt to get COVID fails....

    Well, I tired, yet again, to get COVID in a hospital and failed again.

    I removed my mask and sat down to talk with a patient with COVID pneumonia who was coughing frequently and vigorously and was also not wearing a mask.  I did not wear gloves and shook his hand.  Five minutes close  contact time.

    I offered him an "herbal" product that "sometimes helps" and "that someone gave me, but tastes kind of bad."  He was willing to try anything that might help.   Brought him a plastic spoonful of the herbal mixture with a faint apple aroma and a cup of juice.   He spent the night, and did the same the next morning.

    Maybe our many concerns about the vaccine's safety will eventually be put to rest and it may seem safe enough for me to agree to take it.  Not there yet, but possibly in the future.  We will see.

     

     

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 7:03pm

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    Doug and evidence

    QB-

    Doug isn't into evidence - at least he's not into presenting any.  That would take effort and intellectual honesty.  But he's not shy about demanding it from you, you anti-science person.  The hypocrisy from his type of thinking knows no bounds.  Hypocrisy is what they do best.

    The "evidence" he selects to bring is a comedian on a video.  Actually, a former comedian.  That's what "science" - and "follow the science" - really means to him.  To him, "evidence" is performance art that makes him feel better about the news sources he consumes.  "Whew, I'm not crazy for believing Pharma's latest narrative, regardless of the $56 billion in penalties this same group has paid out since 2000."  That's what "evidence" means to Doug.

    I was amused to hear him say that the aggregation of VAERS data is just an anecdote.  He clearly doesn't understand that it is aggregated anecdotes that can comprise statistically significant evidence from which a signal can be derived.  Duh.  That's why the government collects it.  Otherwise, VAERS is just waste, fraud, and abuse.  Right?

    QB, while I understand your anger, because you try so hard to do everything in good-faith, I'm paradoxically really glad that Doug continues to come here to contribute.  How can I say this?

    Doug is literally the best that Pharma/CNN/The Oligarchy Narrative Machine have to offer.  He is their top-of-the-line thinker.  He's the Apex CNN News Consumer.  From Doug, we get the best possible face put on the current Pharma/Oligarchy narrative, as well as the thinking that comes as a result of uncritically consuming it, all without having to go through the tedious work of listening to it all ourselves.

    Doug is a huge time-saver.   We need to hear his voice, so we know what effects that the narrative is having on a  huge chunk of America.  He is literally the best thinking CNN has to offer.

    Doug, please don't ever leave.  You really do add value here.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 7:06pm

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    Primary Care_MD said:

    Make sure you check the long-term safety data before you get the injection....

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 7:11pm

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    re: Fourth attempt to get covid fails

    Well, I tired, yet again, to get COVID in a hospital and failed again.

    I removed my mask and sat down to talk with a patient with COVID pneumonia who was coughing frequently and vigorously and was also not wearing a mask. I did not wear gloves and shook his hand. Five minutes close contact time.

    I offered him an "herbal" product that "sometimes helps" and "that someone gave me, but tastes kind of bad." He was willing to try anything that might help. Brought him a plastic spoonful of the herbal mixture with a faint apple aroma and a cup of juice. He spent the night, and did the same the next morning.

    Better luck next time? Maybe you need to expose yourself to patients earlier in the disease course. By the time they've progressed to the pneumonia phase they may no longer be shedding active viruses. Or maybe you had an asymptomatic infection at some point and are immune?

    BTW, what happened to the patient after he got the "herbal" remedy (wink wink)? Did he recover and leave the hospital?

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 7:17pm

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    VeganDB12 said:

    Your patients are fortunate to have you. Regarding your efforts to get natural immunity, do you think it is possible that  you were infected and are a t cell responder? Some of us never get a detectable antibody response even after having symptomatic Covid 19.  The FDA just approved T Detect to test for this type of immunity.  Either way glad you are well!

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 8:05pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

    "I offered him an "herbal" product that "sometimes helps" and "that someone gave me, but tastes kind of bad." 

    This just made my day.

    I have so many questions but for once I'm just gonna enjoy the mystery.

    Remember those stories you used to hear about crazy times full of chaos and needless suffering?   And in the middle of it all there is this hero who's out there just getting shit done?  Just pulling everyone along so they live to get another chance on another day?

    Its going on now.  We should never forget that.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 8:06pm

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    Adam: a complete fail as a ventriloquist.

    Yes he has penned a few posts as if he was Chris, using his login, but his words always fall flat. What a sad state of affairs that the founder of this website has been legally silenced to the full out determent of the community that he created. I suspect that both greed and intimidation are involved. Oh wait, silly me! We should all continue to hold on breathless for another month or two or three or four. In the meantime there are some serious pinch hitters standing in for him on a "circle the wagons" and "gird your loins" call to urgency! Thank you guys and gals. If Chris had not been legally silenced I know he would now be front and center.

    P.S. I'm sure glad that your first priority is to make the site "more user friendly," Adam. Nice.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 8:32pm

    agitating prop

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    bradford..wtf?

    That was mean, ignorant and accusatory. You hit a perfect trifecta. You are saying Adam is pretending to be Chris? Huh?

    I can't get over all the hand wringing about Chris being away from the site. Yeah, it's weird, but for heaven's sakes, it is what it is. He's not here right now so make the best of it. And, btw, get a life.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 8:36pm

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    "Smee"

    Much more to talk about. Much, much more.

    We look forward to the discussions.

    But will my subject matter offend the sensibilities of others? Too bad; let Freedom free.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 8:38pm

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    Bradford said:

    Prop,

    The Emperor is not wearing any clothes, in case you didn't notice. Someone had to say so eventually.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 8:44pm

    agitating prop

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    Bradord

    PM me if you have information on that score. Okay? I don't know what's going on here. Haven't been around that much.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 9:08pm

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    Bradford said:

    Prop,

    I trust my gut and I hope to have one tenth of the commitment to truth and life that Dr. Martenson has shown me on this website over so many years. I would say that the tone that was written in his name above...of making the site "more user friendly" at this moment in history wherein all manner of poo is coming down around all of us, defies all common sense and a recognition of his great heart. Instead it sounds like what some lawyer would write who was intent on obfuscating and pretending to speak with his voice. But, obviously, no one can speak with his passion except Dr. Martenson himself, and I believe that that now seems to have been legally muzzled. So maybe it wasn't Adam but instead a hired writer to impersonate and then to fall flat. Does that really matter if Adam has been singularly sailing the ship?

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 9:29pm

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    Welcome back, Arthur!

    Good to see your post!  I had wondered what had happened to you.  Hope you (and your boat, yes?) are doing well!

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 9:53pm

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    thatchmo said:

    Wow, Arthur!?  Looong time.  Welcome back.  Did you ever cast off the docklines?  Aloha, Steve

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 12:08am

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    The Curse.

    Humans, and binary brained animals, are blessed and cursed by a model making left brain. That's how we roll.

    It is a blessing, in that we can form models of reality, and a curse in that we are not free to rationally consider information that is not within the boundaries that the Left brain permits.

    It is my desire to force open the Overton window. I do not anticipate much enthusiasm for my project, for it will invoke existential angst. So be it.

    Did you know that the dominant force of the Cosmos are Birkland currents and that galaxies of billions of stars are seen strung like pinwheels on a string as these Birkland currents turn them like pancake motors?

    Did you know that the lithosphere slides over the mantle every 13500 years, and that time is upon us now? The lithosphere is predicted to slide over the axis of rotation until the North pole is off South America. Are you prepared for the very seas to be wrenched from their beds? (We have survived before, we can survive again. With a little help from our friends.)

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 12:16am

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    Thanks Pinecarr. (The nomad is back to the summer pastures)

    I am forced to move from platform to platform due to my proclivity to make people uncomfortable with their models, a motivating, unfortunate proclivity on my part.

    Universities should be refuges for argumentative geniuses; they have been subsumed by Midwits, now that education is freely available.

    Evolutionary psychologist, Dr. Edward Dutton, "The Jolly Heretic" on Yutube.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 12:19am

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    Hi Thatchmo.

    Yes indeed, Thatchmo; and scared myself witless. I've still got my boat. She now bobs at a peaceful mooring.

    I have land, and have been reeled in by a Californian run-away child who argues ferociously with me.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 1:39am

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    Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

    FYI and FWIW, this is the best write-up I've seen on this topic: https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

    Post caffeine edit - it's the best write-up for virus layman like me.   🙂

     

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 3:09am

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    intheor said:

    People,

    (HIV),did not get inserted into a cold/sars carrier by itself.

    Ivy league Facility,to Canada,Theft to Wuhan,and insertion.

    Bad lab practices,and oops!

    Welcome to present problem.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 4:19am

    brushhog

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    brushhog said:

    Interesting reading the posts this morning. My replies;

    Sand puppy = You're a hero

    Bradford =  I dont believe that Adam is masquerading as Chris Martenson. VTGothic and other well respected members here have been in touch with Chris regarding the launching and operation of the site. So its not like Chris is tied up in Adams' basement.

    Arthur Robey;

    "Humans, and binary brained animals, are blessed and cursed by a model making left brain. That's how we roll.

    It is a blessing, in that we can form models of reality, and a curse in that we are not free to rationally consider information that is not within the boundaries that the Left brain permits."

    I would argue that the curse is when we mistake our models of reality for reality, i.e ; Money for wealth, social media for relationships, words for real things, fears for threats, social approval for happiness, etc

     

    Wilco - Nature or human intent on the virus? IDK but it sure worked out well for those at the top of the pyramid. The obscenely wealthy got more wealthy and the powerful now have more power. The rest of us got less of each.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 5:48am

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    hand wringing

    AP-

    I can't get over all the hand wringing about Chris being away from the site. Yeah, it's weird, but for heaven's sakes, it is what it is. He's not here right now so make the best of it. And, btw, get a life.

    I see.  Perhaps I can help you understand the hand-wringing.

    During 2020, Chris gave me the information I needed to help my family survive the COVID pandemic with minimal fuss.  This information probably saved the life of my aged stepfather.  Granted he's really old and probably only has a few years left, but - tossing him onto the bonfire just because the WHO and the NIH have decided people like him are not worthy of more life (No Treatments For You!) - well it just seems a trifle callous.  Chris was my defense against these Pharma-corrupted sociopaths who pretend to be looking out for our welfare.

    Today, if not for "The Investors", Chris would even now be looking for the truth about these experimental gene-therapy shots.  But no.  He continues to remain muzzled on the important issues of the day.  Lives are at risk - QB has gone on at length about likely vaccine injuries he has personally witnessed - and "The Investors" continue to stall.  For reasons known only to themselves.

    Winners: Systemically Sociopathic Pharma/Sickcare.  The Oligarchy.

    Losers: us, and our families.  The Plebes.

    Not a fan of The Oligarchy.  Or their ... operatives.

    Hope that clears up the "hand-wringing" thing.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 6:10am

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    SandPuppy?

    SP:

    Well, I tired, yet again, to get COVID in a hospital and failed again.

    I removed my mask and sat down to talk with a patient with COVID pneumonia who was coughing frequently and vigorously and was also not wearing a mask.  I did not wear gloves and shook his hand.  Five minutes close  contact time.

    I offered him an "herbal" product that "sometimes helps" and "that someone gave me, but tastes kind of bad."  He was willing to try anything that might help.   Brought him a plastic spoonful of the herbal mixture with a faint apple aroma and a cup of juice.   He spent the night, and did the same the next morning.

    SandPuppy, can I assume that you are not a M.D.?

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 6:25am

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    Thanks Dave

    To Doug: I'll engage  with you only when I have the time, cognitive space and patience for your tactics that Dave described so well.  No hard feelings.  I know your intentions are good we might have an easier time with an in person conversation.

    To Dave:  I had an interesting conversation with someone known for raising difficult topics in conversation and leaning into them real hard without knowing when to let go.  Of course the conversation was vaccinations and treatment in general.  It was at, of all places, a gathering of folks deeply involved in nature connection work and shamanic journeying.  I finally respectfully ended the conversation at which point, she got in her last comment "You are vaccinated, aren't you?" at which point, I respectfully bowed out for a second time and went to join another conversation.  So yes, I do want to understand the "See, I got the vaccine, aren't I a good person" mentality that people just seem to have soaked up from the sea of vaccine propaganda we swim in (at least those of us who pay attention to mainstream media).

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 6:27am

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    Arthur, good to see to back!

    I always enjoyed and learned from your posts, which were a breath of fresh air, and your outside-the-box thinking, augmented by your real world experience of SHTF and living to tell about it.  Welcome back!

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 6:29am

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    agnes xyz said:

    I'm afraid I agree with Bradford [#307] about Chris' voice being missing from his explanation articles. I have no idea who actually wrote them, but I commented about it myself after the first two. It's my guess, fwiw, that Chris will not be back. I twice posted this article written by Chris last December, but, since there was no comment on either posting, I assumed that no one read it:

    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/2021-is-going-to-be-rough/

    He was basically burnt-out, disillusioned, and wanting to focus on the farm. I don't blame him for any of that. He has done a great job for us. I'm burnt-out and disillusioned, too. And a farm takes more work than anyone could possibly expect.

    But read it yourself, in case I'm lying. I dare you this time. Please comment on it so I'm not alone with this weird piece of knowledge.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 6:39am

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    "Not Medical Advice" Gets You Sued.

    DF: Today, if not for "The Investors", Chris would even now be looking for the truth about these experimental gene-therapy shots.  But no.  He continues to remain muzzled on the important issues of the day.  Lives are at risk - QB has gone on at length about likely vaccine injuries he has personally witnessed - and "The Investors" continue to stall.  For reasons known only to themselves.

    Perhaps the investors are concerned about getting sued over CM dispensing medical advice without a medical degree.

    I was certainly pissed when ivermectin did not help my wife and she had to go to the hospital for her COVID infection. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't pissed at CM, I was pissed at myself because I am a medical professional, have spent 20 years compiling medical research as a business, and I was convinced by the IVM research.

    My wife put her trust in me and I let her down. It's my fault, not CM's or even Dr. Fairtex's.

    But if I was the owner of this site, I would be VERY concerned of getting sued for providing "not medical advice" to the public.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 6:48am

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    Your experience JAG

    Are you still convinced by the overall ivermectin research?

    Your wife is one person.  The literature shows that ivermectin reduces the need for hospitalization by about 70-80%, not 100%.  Chris and others have shared research that supports this claim of 70-80%.  Nobody has claimed %100 here. Your wife could easily fall into the minority of would-be hospitalized patients who still needed to be hospitalized.

    You didn't let her down JAG as long as you accurately portrayed the risk to her and she made an informed decision.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 7:00am

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    so uh...

    JAG.  I just want to get this straight.  Your choice was either:

    a) "No Treatments For You - come back when you can't breathe", and

    b) ivermectin, vitamin D, vitamin C, melatonin, quercetin, and zinc.

    You selected b), and now you want to sue Chris Martenson because your wife was hospitalized, but survived.

    Correct so far?

    [EDIT: QB is a far, far better person than I will ever be.  Just saying.]

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 7:00am

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    high powered muzzling and what to do

    I could certainly be wrong but I get the sense that at least some, if not all, of the "Investors" didn't invest to make a profit from PP.  They invested to muzzle Chris.  And, indeed, he has been effectively muzzled.

    As noted in someone else's post, a kingpin of the natural health world, Dr. Mercola, has just recently been muzzled as well.  Also, some of the smartest and strongest people that I know personally have given in to the pressure and taken the jab.  It makes my heart sad to see this all happening but it builds my resolve as well.

    Our responsibility is to not let their work be in vain.  We have eyes to see and ears to hear and brains to search, analyze, think, and intuit.  Use them all and then put your pen to paper and use your mouths as well.  Let the truth cry out and let freedom ring.

    I see an analogy to the following:

    Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples.” Jesus answered, “I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out” (Luke 19:39-40).

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVc0wBLri1A

    Depicted: Sophie and Hans Scholl of the White Rose Movement.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 7:04am

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    Correct Dave,but ...

    I don't think JAG is planning on a lawsuit.  In his post he took personal responsibility.  He is concerned about others who might bring more of a victim mentality to a similar situation.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 7:18am

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    the Chinese connection

    It ain't this.

    It's this.

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/evidence-reveals-that-military-team-collaborated-with-lab-where-covid-pandemic-originated_3798920.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-05-04&mktids=70d7e48ee298ee1a92a11645db08b3f8&est=kSDb%2BLpeY6MXErzZ3YRD1FLmSecPmyWTfilAkvkjuFYxvirQXbI4ngmX6HU%3D

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 7:19am

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    brushhog said:

    I'm just wondering, if JAG's wife had taken the vaccine, then got covid [ as has happened to many people ], would he still express the same outrage for the "irresponsibility" of having been given medical advice?

    How about when we were told that human-to-human transmission was impossible? Or that masks dont work....or that they do [ and you should wear 2 ]....or that 2 weeks would 'flatten the curve'....or that its transmitted by droplets.....or that it wasnt?? I could go on and on.

    I just find it fascinating that when people are given demonstrably wrong advice by medical establishment their mind does a complete spellbound pass over. Yet when anybody outside the establishment offers advice that might not work for them it becomes 'irresponsible' lawsuit time. Mental conditioning is an amazing thing to watch.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 7:25am

    Canuck21

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    Chris's article from December

    Hi Agnes I read it now, thanks for the link. I cannot guess if Chris will be back or not but PP is his website/territory so I believe he will. I am also (like Chris says in the article that he is) sick to death of covid coverage and of the underlying swamp stink of the whole covid pandemic. There are better-informed places than this one (in Chris's absence) to follow the vaccine story from a medical standpoint, like Dr Been on Youtube or Covid19Crusher on Twitter. And there are still sites like Del Bigtree investigating the swamp. We all need some more positive things to focus on so we can get through this. Perhaps Chris will supply those. In the meantime, I think we need to start a positive-no-covid-talk-allowed thread to encourage each other more. Just a humble suggestion.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 7:35am

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    the eleventh commandment (of the NWO)

    Thou shalt not discuss any approach to managing COVID19 that excludes vaccination.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 7:42am

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    Re: Your experience JAG

    My experience with COVID, at the risk of pissing everyone off here, it scared the sh*t out of me.

    My wife is in her 40's, 10 years younger than me, and when I took her to the hospital because she couldn't breathe, I thought she might die. It sounds overly dramatic, now, but in that situation your mind goes to the worse case scenario.

    She, and my daughter, got exposed on Christmas Eve getting together with her family. She wore a mask the whole time, but the rest of her family didn't. I didn't go.

    I gave her IVM on Christmas Day, about 12 hours after the exposure. We skipped IVM the next day, but took it 3 days straight after that as she started to develop symptoms. I took IVM too and did not develop a COVID infection, but I also really limited my exposure to my family, which was really hard to do when they were sick.

    When she started becoming short of breath, she didn't want to take IVM anymore and I took her to the hospital. She got antibiotics and an antiviral at the hospital and was noticeably better in 3 days. I have a fridge full of antibiotics and other meds but she didn't want to take them.

    I would also like to note that my wife and I had both been taken zinc, Vit D, and Quercetin daily for 6 months prior to her getting COVID.

    My decades of compiling medical research has taught me not to trust it, especially when it comes to nutraceuticals. Unfortunately, this bias is why I give DF a hard time about his supplement recommendations, even though he doesn't deserve it. I know he is sincerely trying to help people.

    But I have little tolerance for those who claim COVID is nothing to worry about. If you are young, dumb, and full of ____, then yeah, don't worry about COVID...yet. But my wife is just in her early 40's and very "healthy", and I thought I might lose her. That changes one's perspective in a hurry.

    And it makes you want to slap people...

     

     

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 7:53am

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    Sand Puppy, I'm with you

    I would love to get Covid and be done with it. No way I'm getting jabbed with the current options.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 8:02am

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    Re: Your experience JAG

    My experience with COVID, at the risk of pissing everyone off here, it scared the sh*t out of me.

    Anyone who would be pissed off about you sharing your experience needs to take a long look in the mirror.

    Sounds like your wife came through and hopefully has no lasting effects? If so, that's terrific. Your story does highlight the simple fact that ivermectin (with or without other supplements) is not a magic bullet that will prevent everyone from getting sick (or progressing to hospitalization). While I do believe it is effective in many cases (and I have a small stash of paste at the ready), I'm not willing to bet my life on it. So I am still considering whether to get a vaccine or not. I may hold out for the novavax but may just decide to go with one of the current options. Or maybe not. No one I know personally has had a significant side effect from vaccination, so I believe those risks are being over-stated by many. But the potential long term risks are what have me concerned.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 8:08am

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    Kat43 said:

    Jane, I don't think that works very well.  Your plan would presumably be to not be very sick.  My understanding is the amount of antibodies you create will be generally proportionate to how sick you were.  Fewer antibodies will wear off much sooner than a really nasty dose of C19.  That's what I gather from Dr. Vanden Bossche.  Not so protective in the long run.  Measles or chicken pox parties when we were young were fine.  A predictable course of disease.  You don't really know what you're going to get with C19.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 8:10am

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    Glad your wife is okay!

    My husband and son had it, and while unpleasant wasn’t a big deal.
    I think that is the challenge in all of this. We are the blind people describing the different parts of the elephant and then getting angry when we don’t all “see” the same thing.

    I would like the information, which I am not getting to make informed decisions and the freedom to choose what is best for me and my family.

    Recognize that perhaps part of your wife’s goal by asking to goto the hospital was to prevent you from getting COVID.  She was likely scared that if you got it, you wouldn’t fare as well as she would.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 8:15am

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    Dave Fairtex M.D.

    JAG.  I just want to get this straight.  Your choice was either:

    a) "No Treatments For You - come back when you can't breathe", and

    b) ivermectin, vitamin D, vitamin C, melatonin, quercetin, and zinc.

    You selected b), and now you want to sue Chris Martenson because your wife was hospitalized, but survived.

    Correct so far?

    Unbelievable.

    Did you even read my post? Maybe I should put it in a chart for you...

     

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 8:32am

    Kathy

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    The value of early therapeutics

    Yes, ivermectin is not a magic bullet.  But remember way at the bringing the fear was the hospitals getting overrun (see India) and then the 20 yo with appendicitis dies because there isn’t a hospital bed.

    This is the value of ivermectin which we are not using and I can’t figure out why.  If they can keep even 50% of the Covid cases out of the hospital by treating them early with ivermectin in the long run that greatly helps those for whom ivermectin doesn’t work because then there is more hospital space.

    None of this is all or nothing!  And why can’t we get thoughts and idea from others without it being considered “medical advice?”  If I read a book on allergies, that isn’t medical advice, why does it suddenly become “medical advice” if it is posted on a social media site?

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 8:37am

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    another interpretation

    My decades of compiling medical research has taught me not to trust it, especially when it comes to nutraceuticals. Unfortunately, this bias is why I give DF a hard time about his supplement recommendations, even though he doesn't deserve it. I know he is sincerely trying to help people.

    But I have little tolerance for those who claim COVID is nothing to worry about. If you are young, dumb, and full of ____, then yeah, don't worry about COVID...yet. But my wife is just in her early 40's and very "healthy", and I thought I might lose her. That changes one's perspective in a hurry.

    And it makes you want to slap people...

    Well, there is another possible interpretation: but for that nutraceutical intervention, your wife would would be ... [EDIT] no longer with us = glass mostly full viewpoint.   "Thank heavens I had those nutraceuticals to give her - she is alive!  Yay!"  Glass mostly full.

    I've had great success with my nutraceutical interventions in my own life.  They've sure worked for me.  No idea why.  But there it is.  Most of my interventions end up working.  Again, no idea why.  They just do.  Often not immediately, but I futz around until things improve.

    I've got three different interventions going on right this moment.

    Heck, it could be the placebo effect.  Strong belief helps.  And those of us who are long-time medical professionals also know about the nocebo effect, which is just as effective in the opposite direction.

    I still say look at the glass mostly full.  Your wife lives!  Be happy!

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 8:43am

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    for Canuck21[#333]

    Thank you for commenting on Chris' Dec 2020 article. I realize it's a lot for anyone here to handle.

    I agree with you about moving ahead to something other than covid/vaccine. I hadn't noticed how tired I was of the subject until you mentioned it. We seem to be in a big collapse: What do we do? Where to we go? Who can we talk to? I would love to hear from anyone who has started a direction forward whether it would suit me or not. It's hope. I'll try to think of a good, forward subject, but I see nothing ahead but a wall.

    I'm afraid that if anyone finds a way forward they will abandon this site and just do it.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 8:46am

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    Haiku Time

    A welcome haiku, for old times sake (as opposed to さ け):

    Breezy autumn seas
    A pungent kimchi wafting
    katana ready

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 8:47am

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    Nice side step, JAG

    "Unfortunately, this bias is why I give DF a hard time about his supplement recommendations, even though he doesn't deserve it. I know he is sincerely trying to help people."

     

    I'll reiterate my question in a slightly different way; When established medical recommendations dont work, do you give them the same treatment?

    You know the vaccines are causing horrible side effects [ see VAERS ] in some people...but you still believe in them. I dont see you out here talking about "slapping people" who recommend the vaccine....why do you think that is?

    I already know the amswer but I want to puzzle that question out [ this could be a big learning moment for you ].

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 9:11am

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    No Chris and no site administration taking place - thanks to *&^%$ GBI

    I support the views of those who think Chris has been muzzled. We have no way of knowing if the few posts he made were legit or from someone who could access his account, which is not inconceivable if for a period of time he did not have full site control.

    It seems that PP is still going only because of the tribe. The site is functioning with bare minimum administration or oversight. The daily digest is daily no more, the amount of spam is ridiculous, there is no moderation, and requests for admin assistance go unanswered. Case point, I made a goof creating a duplicate forum on the weekend and asked the admin to remove it.

    Nothing, zero, nada. No help, no response. In the past that would have been taken care of fairly quickly. I think we have been left on our own, intentionally, and the site will die a slow death, also intentionally, and as desired by the oligarch class who are censoring and shutting down all those who question the narrative. If they threatened Mercola, then it is entirely possible they threatened Chris as well. It would not surprise me in the least if that were the case. I suspect once Adam posts his last interview and moves on to do his thing, we will entirely be on our own.

    I do seriously hope I am wrong. Just as I so seriously hope I am wrong about the vaccines being pathogenic all by themselves, that there is a depopulation agenda, and that dystopia beckons with the apex oligarchs lording over us.

    I do have some hope after reading Karl Denninger's new article - hope that Chris and Mercola and all the others who have been censored will somehow find the strength and moral courage to keep going, no matter what. There are new fissures opening up in the narrative. Gates getting divorced is another one. We must find ways to keep them expanding until the truth outs.

     

     

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 9:18am

    westcoastjan

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    And one more thing....

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 9:40am

    coh

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    response to Kathy (early therapeutics)

    Yes, ivermectin is not a magic bullet.  But remember way at the bringing the fear was the hospitals getting overrun (see India) and then the 20 yo with appendicitis dies because there isn’t a hospital bed.

    This is the value of ivermectin which we are not using and I can’t figure out why.  If they can keep even 50% of the Covid cases out of the hospital by treating them early with ivermectin in the long run that greatly helps those for whom ivermectin doesn’t work because then there is more hospital space.

    Of course. We should be encouraging the use of Vitamin D, perhaps ivermectin or even HCQ as a preventive, and definitely providing access to early treatment for people who do test positive. Early treatment meaning things like Vit D, ivermectin, maybe monoclonal antibodies, etc. This would probably keep a lot of people from winding up in the hospital. It's an absolute crime that people are still told to go home and "come back if  you can't breathe", then we'll give you monoclonals (too late probably), remdesivir (probably ineffective) and doses of steroids that are way too low. Right now cases in the US have dropped far enough and stress on most hospitals has decreased to the point where early treatment should be the focus. We can't undo what has been done, but we can do better going forward.

    None of this is all or nothing!  And why can’t we get thoughts and idea from others without it being considered “medical advice?”  If I read a book on allergies, that isn’t medical advice, why does it suddenly become “medical advice” if it is posted on a social media site?

    Most people just don't think very deeply about things. They take their cues from what they see on TV and hear from friends and that becomes gospel. I posted in another thread that I have a poll going on facebook asking people what kinds of side effects they've had from the covid vaccines (so far, very minor). I've gotten several responses along the lines of "stop taking medical advice from social media." I had to amend my original post to tell people I wasn't interested in any lectures about where to get medical info and that I was more than capable of evaluating data from a variety of sources. Most people sadly are not.

    There's  also the legal side, this country is so litigious that it becomes a big risk to post anything that someone might take as medical advice.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 9:41am

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    Jane B said:

    Kat43, you make valid points. But in the words of two mentors:

    "I don't fear Covid anymore..." Dr. Chris Martenson

    "There are no Certainties, only Probabilities" George Gammon

    Coronaviruses have been floating around for a long time. I'm betting on my T-cells, my strong immune system and my stash of Ivermectin; a much higher reward/risk than the current vaccines.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 9:46am

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    Side step?

    BH: When established medical recommendations dont work, do you give them the same treatment?

    Umm, yeah. I've been a chiropractor and working in the alternative healthcare field for 29 years. My whole career is based on "when conventional medicine" doesn't work.

    I am certainly NOT pro-vaccine. All I said was it was an unknown and not to fear unknowns.

    I already know the amswer but I want to puzzle that question out [ this could be a big learning moment for you ].

    Right, you know. In my experience, you can't learn anything from people who know everything.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 9:53am

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    lawsuits

    @WestCoastJan  the rant by Karl Denninger is interesting reading. I do not know who he is but the emotion in his text makes it easy for TPTB to dismiss him as a nutcase. Far harder for TPTB to dismiss is the very recent discussion on long covid by two doctors (Drs Mobeen and Dr Syed Haider) on Youtube (google it) which ends with them saying the CDC FDA and other organisations should be sued by lawyers and a new WHO be set up. And the anger by Drs Kory and Lawrie mentioned in a previous thread. I predict this radicalization of physicians will continue as more and more realize they've been badly 'had'. And yes, I do also predict that there will be a piranha-fest of lawyers suing employers and educational institutions that have forced people to take the vax. I hope I am wrong. I don't want any of this to happen. But if it does, no one will take another vaccine of any kind for the next 20 years. And popular wrath is a dangerous animal to unleash. That's the other side of the fear coin, it can turn on a dime (pun intended -- gotta have some fun here).

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 10:06am

    Canuck21

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    Canuck21 said:

    @Agnes (343) My direction forward is hope because that's the only direction I see out of this swamp. And also to put my own oxygen mask on first (actually I didn't intend that covid cross-reference). But after decades of putting other people's needs first (it's a gender thing) I now finally realize that I cannot help anyone else from a position of financial/security/emotional/spiritual/whatever weakness myself. So that's two guiding lights - hope + personal resilience. Hey, that rings a familiar bell...didn't there use to be some guy on the internet who specialized in resilience....?

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 11:48am

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    wotthecurtains said:

    the rant by Karl Denninger is interesting reading.

    Karl is an interesting guy.  I used to follow him during the early days of "The Great Financial Crisis" circa 2009.   His foul mouthed precision really fit well with the times.

    He's clearly a smart guy but sometimes his anger and (what I think is) busking for attention gets distracting.  He was trying to be a podcaster for a while there and he went full on right-wing patriot (included many studied references to "turd world nations") which turned me mostly off of him.

    That and he is constantly hawking his daughter's paintings now.  I mean you gotta admire a father's love for his daughter but it gets tiresome.

     

    But as was noted he does raise interesting points about how the world could work going forward.

     

    "Tard jab"  - thats not a phrase I'm gonna use in polite company.

     

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 12:46pm

    brushhog

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    brushhog said:

     In my experience, you can't learn anything from people who know everything

    Hope the irony isnt lost on you.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 1:05pm

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    Kathy said:

    I've gotten several responses along the lines of "stop taking medical advice from social media."

    This is nuts.  Talking through medical treatment options has a lot of value.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 1:58pm

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    Re: No Chris and no site administration taking place - thanks to *&^%$ GBI

    It's been over a month now since this post.  I didn't renew because I sensed something was going wrong.  I see Adam's Wealthion website is promoting goldsilver.com not hardassestsalliance.com...

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 6:14pm

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    Hmmmphhhhh.

    I miss my scout.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 6:34pm

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    A different angle.

    The Bead of Certainty should never fall off the wire into Dogma.

    Here is a small piece of my model. We have been Fooling Ourselves with regard to vaccines. This has led to hubristic scienceism, Along comes this gain-of-function virus and we scream blue bloody murder for somebody to "Do Something". Instead of backing down and acknowledging our ignorance, we have motivated Big Pharma to concoct some hocus pocus eye-of-newt and are pleased to call it a "Vaccine".

    The sorcerer's apprentice springs to mind. We are about to find out how ignorant we really are with regard to the workings of the cell. Let us hope we can survive as a species.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 6:34pm

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    Coming Back Soon...

    This won't even qualify as a partial update, but I can say that we are almost over the finish line for me resuming full control of this website.

    It's a complicated affair and everybody is working as hard as they can to get this accomplished.

    I truly appreciate your patience and support during these times.  I can say this - I am as excited and as hopeful as I've ever been about the direction in which this community and site will soon be headed.

    In order to get back to full-time content creation - my natural role - I have had to invest considerable time and resources into assembling a proper support structure and in assuring continuity of operations.

    More to come...as soon as everything is finalized.  I don't want to jinx anything, but if all goes according to plan, it should just be a matter of days, a week at most.

    Until then, I just want to say that I have been amazed and humbled at the patience and brilliance of this community. The comments and content have been top-notch.  So thank you all again, your support will be returned in spades very soon.

    Best,
    Chris M.

     

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 6:55pm

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    LB86 said:

    Dear Chris,

    We.......can't..........wait......

    Best regards,

    Ed

     

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 7:08pm

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    We are all in this together.

    Jag - If I may ask what antibiotic did you give your wife? From all I have read it is critical that you use the Doxycycline.

    Chris - We got ya bro!

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 7:12pm

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    And yet one more thing...

    Truly safe and effective vaccination programs don't need gov't backed $1 Billion "vaccine confidence" campaigns either;

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 7:32pm

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    Mark_BC said:

    JAG, did your wife take caffeine when on IVM?

    I've personally cured 5 people of Covid from what I can tell (of course you never know for sure if it was the IVM or they just naturally got over it unnaturally quickly). And there was the study in Argentina where 0/800 health care workers caught it whereas around 200/400 in the control group did. So there must be something different explaining your wife's experience.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 7:59pm

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    Chuck in Belize said:

    Well, Chris.
    All I got to say here right now is that

    it's about gott-dammerung time you showed up again.  Mein gott! Wo hast sie bin?
    With all due respect. Kind Sir.  I mean, like,
    Dude.  We seriously need you.  Has that not been totally obvious to you?

    If you have been following (and I know you have) all the various rantings and postings and occasionally some amazing contributions from this Tribe ...

    You know that what I just said here holds water.

    When it comes to your videos and your truly incredible sweep-away-the-silly- fluff and let's get to the Real Issues style,

    I have only this one thing to say Sir.

    Not a moment too soon.
    Not a moment.

    Not One F'n Moment.

    -- Chuck

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 8:02pm

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    The Vaccine Push

    I wasn’t going to take the experimental gene therapy anyway. But the more TPTB pressure me and bombard me with propaganda, the greater my resolve becomes. Maybe it’s stubborn nature, but I tend to feel like anything they have to push this hard comes with a boatload of downside.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 8:05pm

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    Re: Coming Back Soon...

    Don't wait too long Chris (please). The need for your brain has never been, and may never be, greater than right now.

    Good to see you back and posting Arthur Robey.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 8:15pm

    wotthecurtains

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    wotthecurtains said:

    "Not a moment too soon.
    Not a moment.

    Not One F'n Moment.

    -- Chuck"

    Hey man, I thought the Covid Haikus were fun...

    I just had this image of Chris saying "OK here's 78 hours of video that I made while I was away and 250,000 words of commentary.  Glad I can share it now..."

    @TWalker5 said:

    ", but I tend to feel like anything they have to push this hard comes with a boatload of downside."

    The main reason I stopped taking flu-shots was that I saw the local health officials lamenting the hospital costs that could be reduced if more people took the shot.   Thats when I realized it was all a big risk shifting operation on their part.   Which is not to say flu-shots are a bad idea for people likely to have a hard time of it, but for me its just a (very small) risk if Gillian Barre in exchange for lessening a sickness I don't get anyway.   Taleb's idea of Skin In The Game has been really helpful to me when figuring out which authorities to (mostly) not listen to during the last year.

    +1 for Arthur Robey who must have left before I came here because I don't remember him.   Liking his posts a lot.

    And finally, Chris, I hope its not to late to get a Director's Cut of the video you made back in the day with Dr Kory.  Maybe not the most pressing thing right now, but would really like to see it some time.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 8:58pm

    nordicjack

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    Here is a idea regarding the vax push

    Maybe instead of spending billions of dollars on vaxxing propaganda and marketing.  MAYBE just maybe, you should just be liable for any and all injury claims for the vaccine. ANY one that suffers death or neurological or allergy, cardiac, inflammatory, auto-immune diseases, clotting , loss of pregnancy, or infertility which are new to the patient, and within 30 days are immediately attributed to the vaccine and are compensated.  Obviously there can be latent injury, which could be addressed otherwise and harder to prove.   Additionally, if you take the vaccine and actually die from covid or are permanently disabled ( due to lack of efficacy ) or ADE, you are automatically compensated as well.   I am sure if you came out with this as your marketing.. ( people would be 2x likely to take it ) at least it would seem more up front and protection.     BUT THEY wont which implies they are not good for you , YET STILL WILLING TO spend billions of our tax dollars to make a few very very rich.   DO we see you. Its corrupt We call you out.   I don't even need to use studies showing how dangerous vaccines are.. JUST the option that would make much more sense - that the powers that be would never go with. AND it would probably be cheaper than what they are spending now.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 11:36pm

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    thatchmo said:

    Ha!  The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea.  Funny, pretty much the same story here, though my Oregon run-away allows me the ferocity.....Aloha, Steve.

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 11:51pm

    Dutch Boomer

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    Bye

    Leaving the tribe as paid subscriber. Without Chris this is not really worth to pay for. Maybe I'll rejoin at a later point

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 3:55am

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    DaveDD said:

    Hi Jag,

    Good to hear your wife is safe now. Being there myself, but also witnessing from close by how COVID19 was either near harmless to very scary, I know that once it affects you, it is not a joke. I hope your wife and you will recover from this horrifying experience.

    I think however that the data shows that IVM etc are not 100% effective, and most probably, even less effective against new strains. But the thing is, we cannot perform a "counter factual" test: what if you and your loved ones didn't take the recommended supplements? We cannot know. Considering the potential benefits versus risk, it makes sense to me to also use these supplements; and do use humongous doses (like 30.000 iu vitamin D for three days once infected; at one moment in time, I took over 150 grams of vitamin C per day without any adverse effect(=bowl intolerance)).

    Well, take care and best wishes for you, your children, and your wife, Dave

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 3:58am

    brushhog

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    brushhog said:

    "Truly safe and effective vaccination programs don't need gov't backed $1 Billion "vaccine confidence" campaigns either"

    They do if the government pushing them lacks legitimacy. Imagine you had 6 months of rioting which you labeled as "peaceful protest" even though everybody saw the buildings burning. You told the police to "stand down" while property was destroyed and people were beat up.
    Imagine you cheated an election in the largest election fraud in history...and everybody saw it. These things happened in broad daylight. Imagine you had to hide behind 18 ft of razor wire because of the bad odor around your election.

    Now you're going to tell people [ the same people you cheated and lied to, the same people you're afraid of ] "here take this injection"! HA!  Good luck. You can print money but you can't print faith.

     

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 7:36am

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    Re: Mark_BC said

    Mark_BC: JAG, did your wife take caffeine when on IVM?

    I'm glad you asked because I wanted to thank you for pointing this out a month or two ago.

    She consumed caffeine on the first day we took IVM, but not when she developed symptoms (3 days of IVM with no caffeine).

    I noticed that when I first took IVM that I felt like superman, flying around being very productive. Later, I had a few symptoms of too much caffeine and thought IVM might be potentiating the caffeine I consumed.

    A few weeks later I read your post and it all made sense. So thank you for that contribution.

    Now, when I take IVM prophylactically (very rarely), I skip the coffee that day, which sucks, lol.

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    DaveDD: But the thing is, we cannot perform a "counter factual" test: what if you and your loved ones didn't take the recommended supplements? We cannot know.

    You are absolutely correct. As DaveF also pointed out, things might have been much worse without the IVM and supplements.

    I guess I was just really (over)confident that the IVM was going to work, and when I was taking her to the hospital I felt like the biggest idiot in the world. I thought that my stupidity had put my wife's life at risk. Perhaps it helped her, I don't know, but at the time it was a huge mindf*ck.

    Thanks DaveDD for your kind words. They mean a lot to me.

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    Netlej: Jag - If I may ask what antibiotic did you give your wife? From all I have read it is critical that you use the Doxycycline.

    The hospital gave it to my wife, not me, but I can't remember what it was specifically (I wasn't allowed in to her room). I will see if I can find out.

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 7:46am

    wotthecurtains

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    wotthecurtains said:

    "I noticed that when I first took IVM that I felt like superman, flying around being very productive. Later, I had a few symptoms of too much caffeine and thought IVM might be potentiating the caffeine I consumed."

    Same experience here.  At first I felt like, "wow, maybe this stuff is like a little brother to cocaine where you just feel 'better' and in the long run I will regret it.".

    Then, like you, I started getting a periodic feeling like I had drunk a second coffee.  My heart was just running ahead a little.  I was worried I wasn't gonna be able to sleep because of it, but that didn't seem to be a problem.

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 8:19am

    brushhog

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    IVM in livestock use

    My relationship with IVM goes back many years. I use IVM on sheep to flush barberpole worm. Its relatively safe but like all medications it can be over done. A sheep who has been given too much IVM will stagger around and appear confused, this is evidence of toxicity.

    Its not "nothing". Its a drug and it has an effect. Moreover the more IVM is used the less effective it becomes. Either the host or the parasite gains an immunity. Thats why I am very hesitant to use this drug as a "prophylaxes".

    At least in veterinary use, the instructions for IVM require its used sparingly and only when animals show significant infection through a FAMACHA eye test. One of the worst things you can do is treat a sheep that is not significantly infected. Thats a big no-no.

    While Im glad people have access to IVM, I get nervous when I read about people doubling the dose...and it seems the longer I read the higher those doses are getting. You should also be aware that certain dogs will go blind if given IVM. We had an older dog get into a tube of IVM in the barn and he went blind...permanently. This stuff seems to have some benefit when used responsibly but its not a miracle cure all,  it IS a drug and it can be dangerous.

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 8:27am

    DaveDD

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    Hoi Dutch Boomer

    Volgens mij is het geen vereiste dat je betalend lid bent om onderdeel te zijn van de "tribe". Je kan nog steeds replying etc. Zelf kom ik hier af en toe. Sinds corona meer, daarvoor minder. Anyway, sterkte! Dave

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  • Sat, May 08, 2021 - 9:32am

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    QQQBall said:

    I was wondering what happened. The Wealthion Youtube is like 30 mins of doom porn followed by a 30 min infomercial for a money management firm aka "Our Partners." I don't necessarily disagree  with the interviewees, I just refuse to watch the infomercial.  I first "met" Chris at Capital Stool probably 2 decades ago and I followed him to Peak Prosperity.  Chris, that speech/presentation you gave many years ago in Madrid (I think) is still an all time great.   Bets of luck for the future.

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