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    Losing Hope? Focus On Gaining Life Instead.

    As our "leaders" fail us, we can seize control of our own destiny
    by Chris Martenson

    Friday, September 4, 2020, 8:54 PM

For over a decade now, my job has been alerting people — the aware few who will listen — to the massive changes ahead. Many of which are now underway.

Covid-19 has brought these changes to the forefront, serving as an accelerant for many of them.

For instance, the wealth gap was large before Covid, but now it’s massively larger. That’s thanks to the issuance of $trillions in newly-created stimulus by the global central banking cartel (led by the US Federal Reserve).

Rising global temperatures, already well underway, have been goosed this year by the absence of airlines’ vapor trails. These trails had served to bounce a lot of heat back into space as the sun’s rays reflected off of them. But with air travel largely absent, surface heat is now setting records.

The feckless US media remains busy fanning the flames of division. A populace that was already divided and confused pre-covid is even more so today, perhaps dangerously so. I can’t see any outcome besides one half of the US electorate being bitterly disappointed by the upcoming November elections.

It’s been clear for a long while now that the western ‘sickcare’ system pursues money over health. But even I (jaded and cynical as I’ve become) have been shocked by how willing many scientists, doctors and pharma companies are to promote untested and expensive new drugs over cheap, widely available and safe solutions. Far too many people are suffering long-lasting bodily damage or death as a result.

A Covid Health Strategy With Integrity

It has been my consistent position that if we’d had caring, responsible health leaders in the US (and in much of Europe, as well) many tens of thousands of lives would have been saved and millions of covid survivors would have better future health outlooks than they do today.

What would a caring, responsible public health strategy be for tackling the covid-19 pandemic, you may be wondering?

I’m glad you asked. Here’s what I would do if in charge — offered in the hopes that health policy decision-makers either follow these common-sense steps or complement them with even smarter ones.

#1 – Immediately Adopt Universal Mask Wearing

The need a clear and consistent position that masks are essential in blocking large viral loads from both leaving and entering people’s bodies.

Not this freak show:

That is an unforgivable and indefensible Tweet.  Similar anti-mask statements have been made by the CDC, the W.H.O. and many hospital systems.  In my judgement, such egregious and erroneous inconsistency reveals a profound lack of personal and professional integrity, to say nothing of the lack of morals on display.

The logic is, and always has been, simple.  A lower viral load (or ‘inoculum’) means your body has a better chance of detecting a viral invader and mounting a defense before the virus gets the upper hand.  A mask on a sick person reduces the quantity of virus particles ejected.  A mask on a healthy person reduces the intake of virus particles.  It’s best if all parties are wearing them during a pandemic. Full stop.

The failure to (a) maintain an adequate stockpile of masks and other essential PPE (b) in the absence of that, advise the use of DIY homemade masks during the temporary shortage and (c) offer big incentives to companies that could have ramped up mask production is collectively one of the greatest health care blunders of the century.

#2 – Provide Clear, Consistent Advice to Use Proven Supplements

All health authorities from Redfield of the CDC, Fauci of the NIAID, Tedros of the WHO, the FDA, and every equivalent health body from every other country should have been advising people to take zinc, Vitamin D, and an ionophore such as Quercetin. And/or Hydroxychloroquine (upon either exposure to Covid, testing positive or exhibiting early symptoms). Vitamin C and a handful of trace elements and vitamins (i.e. selenium, B-12, etc.) should have also been advised, too.

There’s a vast amount of data from prior outbreaks and peer-reviewed research to support the approach of ‘preparing the terrain’; meaning having people’s immune systems as strong possible to fight a viral invader.  This is especially and startlingly clear for Vitamin D, something I have been publicly advising since April 10th, 2020, based on available science.  It’s manifold benefits are so well-proven that it’s not even remotely up for debate.

That such a campaign for immune system wellness wasn’t pursued, at all, is a massive indictment of the motivations of our so-called health “authorities.”  They don’t deserve that moniker and aren’t even worthy of being called crappy “managers”.  They remained silent on the subject of how people could cheaply and effectively prepare themselves to fight off Covid, and that has led to many millions of people suffering unnecessary and possibly permanent health consequences.

So why wasn’t this done?  I have literally zero knowledge of any US health ‘manager’ advising people to take care of themselves in this way.

#3 – Embrace Effective & Cheap Covid Treatments

By failing to make best use of existing medicines with known anti-viral properties such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine, in combination with zinc and either azithromycin or tetracycline, hundreds of thousands of needless deaths have happened.

The story is as ridiculous as it is dark.  A perverse system of incentives mostly centered around money, petty politics and inflated egos led to cheap, off-patent medicines being either sidelined or put through studies that were literally designed to fail.

Brave doctors and scientists led the way, suffering enormous reputational damage and professional insults as they published their clinical data from a toxic ecosystem of companies, government agencies and a conflicted, complicit media.

My Youtube video series on Covid, always centered on the science, represents the hardest and most sustained effort of my life.  This series was immediately de-monetized by Google/Youtube, thousands of my followers were unsubscribed and the videos were buried by algorithms that cared more about serving the toxic ecosystem than helping us all get through a pandemic.

Google’s motto once was “Don’t be evil.”  Seems they lost the “Don’t” somewhere along the way.

Working quickly and usually with early or incomplete data, I managed to surface and publicize the importance of both Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine early on.  My first mention of Ivermectin was on April 6th 2020.    That’s a very long time ago.  Yet how many studies on Ivermectin have been completed in the US or UK since then?  Zero.

But India has been using this cheap safe drug very successfully. Same for Argentina, which just reported a 0% rate of Covid infection in its front line health care workers. This compares to a 58% positivity rate vs the control group:

(Source)

Let me repeat that: Ivermectin+ has a 100% rate of success in blocking SARS-CoV-2 infection in the most vulnerable group: front line health care workers.

Meanwhile in the US, no such protection is mentioned let alone recommended by our national health “managers” (who really ought to be fired at a minimum) and no studies have been completed.

Where’s the US media on all this?

Well, they do run heart-wrenching pieces when healthcare workers die. But beyond the “if it bleeds, it leads” dynamic, the media appears otherwise unconcerned or unwilling to report on sound evidence that can prevent future front-line provider deaths.  Here’s an example:

How many mentions in there of the excellent prophylactic work done in India that, if implemented, might save many of these lives?  Zero.  Zero mentions.

This is an enormous scandal and a huge indictment of both US culture and the lack of a proper role for science, logic, and common sense.

Along the way, my Youtube videos on covid-19 have been right far more often than not. They’ve saved lives, truly helped people and have elevated scientific communication about this honey badger of a virus.

Want to guess how many mainstream news outfits have wanted to interview me during the past nine months?  Zero.

However, I’ve been derided in the press quite often. Never with an actual interview first being conducted, mind you –as in this truly shameful Mother Jones hit piece that was never retracted or amended:

(Source – Mother Jones)

Yes, Mother Jones, which literally got its start following a mission to nurture citizen journalism, is now writing hit pieces on citizen journalists who dare to buck the system.  We’re living in a time of a near universal lack of integrity.

Don’t Lose Hope. Gain Life.

The behavior of the national health managers has been shameful, if not criminal.  They’ve prioritized many things over saving lives and doing the right things.  They’ve promoted bad science and stifled good science.  The press has mostly gone along.

What was it that made me decide to pick up my tools and wade into that shitshow?  I care.  I actually care about people and want to be helpful.

I also don’t have any conflicts.  I don’t have a boss with a pet theory or strong political views I have to step carefully around.  I don’t have any financial interests in the sick care system, nor will I ever; my ethics forbid such investments.

I care about getting the story right, wherever that leads.  I am more than willing to put my reputation on the line.  Heck, I could have gotten everything mostly wrong, and that would have been a disaster to my goal of reaching more and more people with a truly important message.

But I didn’t.  Using logic and a systematic approach to researching fast moving topics, I managed to get the Covid story pretty much dead right from the very beginning.

I raise all of this not to take a victory lap – because there’s really no victory to be had in this sad tale – but because the same elements that suppressed science and killed & sickened people are also overlooking an even larger story.  One that will assuredly impact us all with far more damaging consequences than Covid.

This is the story that I really want to tell.  It’s a story of infinite exponential growth on a finite planet.  It’s a tale rooted in energy; in many ways it’s really the story of Life.

But instead of boy meets girl, falls in love and lives happily ever after, it goes like this: organism finds tasty food source in abundance, organism explodes in numbers, has no plans for when the food source runs out, and when it does things collapse.

It’s not a tale of woe, necessarily although it might turn out that way, but instead one of change. It’s telling us that the next 20 years are going to be completely unlike the last 20.  We have the chance to do better, and live more fully and regeneratively.

Even though the situation may look hopeless at first, I’m filled with hope.  The past is gone, the future is here.  Our opportunity now  is to reclaim our lives and to make of them what we will.

Step one is to disconnect from the old story, which Covid has revealed to be one shot through with fraud, deceit and a profound lack of integrity.  If items (1), (2), and (3) above haven’t convinced you that the old story isn’t worth your time and attention anymore, then I’m not sure what will.

Step two is to thoroughly ground yourself in the data and let it tell its own story.

Step three is to leap into action and to use your big human brain as a tool for regeneration and to create abundance.

In Part 2: Get Ready: Here’s What’s Coming, I reveal my current understanding of the next BIG story – the one I’ve been diligently  before covid-19 deflected me for a while.

There’s a massive energy and economic crisis on the way, and I don’t think there’s anything anybody in power can do about any of it.

Which is why you need to

Click here to read Part 2 of this report (free executive summary, enrollment required for full access).

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 4:08am

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    tbp

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    The only real existing alternative to central banksters' fiat FRB monopoly money

    How do we take back control over the money we use away from the central banking cartel? It's called decentralized cryptocurrency, where no intermediaries (trusted third parties / central clearinghouses) are necessary as the leveraging of the implicit trust in the mathematics of strong cryptography (and impartial raw computational power in the case of 1st-mover Proof-of-Work distributed ledger consensus mechanisms) replaces them, once we/Satoshi solved the double-spending problem.

    And it's an inherently antifragile system as there is no central point of failure to which alleged "authorities" or cartels of any kind could go to to shut down their competition. It's a parallel process of creative destruction, the "process of industrial mutation that continuously revolutionizes the economic structure from within, incessantly destroying the old one, incessantly creating a new one". You can also make strong arguments for Bitcoin (the cryptocurrency with the most computational/hashpower backing) actually being the world's hardest asset, rather than an "intangible" one as many (generally older) people like to assume.

    Allow Andreas Antonopoulos to explain this transition which is not without precedent when looking at it as another infrastructure inversion:

     

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 7:41am

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    Masks more important than cures?; Optics of CDS

    I don't think masks should be #1, they should be #3, or equally important as #1 and #2 in the case of someone already sick and the elderly and vulnerable. Extended mask usage does not come without undesirable (side-)effects such as hypoxia and hypercapnia, and it can be used and in many cases is being used as a symbol to muzzle/silence us as they do their best to censor all information about #2 and especially #3.

    Don't forget NAC and vitamin B3, as these are very useful to fight off respiratory infections in general. Avoiding glutathione depletion is absolutely essential (NAC is the precursor to take), as is vitamin C depletion, in any infection and many other disease conditions.

    There's also CDS (yes that "bleach" one), which acts just like the endogenous leukocytes-released pathogen-busting hydrogen peroxide reactive oxygen species, which is also highly effective (it's the primary effective treatment/prophylaxis used in the hispanosphere, at least where HCQ is banned), however I understand both the reticence and the optics of addressing that one, as it's been demonized to an extreme degree (they really really hate that entire mechanism of action) already prior to the Honeybadger.

    Your other big reticence is addressing the fact of vaccine adjuvants. Continuing to pretend vaccines are only attenuated pathogens won't cut it -- all truths about the extreme corruption has to come out. We have no choice. HCQ, ivermectin, vitamin D, are only the top layer that we need to hack at.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 7:43am

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    The Real Deal

    Chris Martenson, nice to have you telling us what things were like from your point of view. You're right, the powers that be on the internet aren't fair to individuals like you. Too bad Mother Jones wasn't either and they weren't the first...didn't Boston Magazine put out a snarky piece about you? (The author's first name was "Pagan" ...with a name like that how could she have the nerve to be snarky?)

    The way I see it, you're not bragging if you're just telling us - your followers - how things looked from your point of view.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 7:53am

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    No Room For Mask BS here

    I don't think masks should be #1, they should be #3, or equally important as #1 and #2 in the case of someone already sick and the elderly and vulnerable. Extended mask usage does not come without undesirable (side-)effects such as hypoxia and hypercapnia,

    Sorry and with all due respect, but you've consumed a load of crap somewhere along the way.

    I've read and seen many studies that all refute your claims here.  Further, plenty of people have to wear full face p100 respirators ALL DAY LONG as part of their job, and seem to be just fine.  So I'm pretty confident people can manage loose-fitting facial masks when out in public.

    So either bring data to these claims or drop the assertions please.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 8:15am

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    Careful

    I am a friend of a family of Puerto Rican descent named Pagan (pronounced puh-gone').  It's my sense that it's a pretty common name on the island.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 9:04am

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    A Tale of Two Technologies

    "...organism finds tasty food source in abundance, organism explodes in numbers, has no plans for when the food source runs out, and when it does things collapse..."

    I try to imagine it this way.  At birth, we are provided with a couple of amazing technologies.

    The first, a result of a research effort (of sorts) that has been ongoing for more than fifty years (a lot more) uses the energy of photons to drive enzymatically-aided chemical processes that actually convert atmospheric gases and water into chemicals suitable to run our metabolism.  It's the proverbial free energy that used to be advertised in the backs of magazines, and it's real.  The technology is well understood, and the source is widely distributed and available at no charge. The source provides enough chemicals that it can maintain a population of several billion of us in comfort, while producing waste that is almost entirely recyclable.

    The second technology is based on use of the accumulated carcasses of all living things from the beginning of life until now.  There are a large number of disadvantages to the use of this technology, including, apparently, waste issues that lead to the destabilization of the planet's ecosystems, but the technology has the advantage of using a more concentrated energy source, enabling a few individuals to become extremely wealthy by gaining control of chunks of its source.

    Our society has chosen to rely on the latter, which allows the creation of extraordinary wealth for a few, despite our knowledge that this source lasts no more than ten generations and has the effect of endangering the use of the more basic, less concentrated technology.

    (Briefly, we used a third technology, one based upon an even more concentrated energy source, but the "woke" movement of its time, in which I proudly participated in an insignificant way, saw to it that this technology was suppressed, because it created invisible but real dangers, and because those dangers were deemed incommensurable with the dangers of the other technologies.)

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 9:49am

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    Side-effects of mask-wearing

    @Chris Martenson
    Sorry and with all due respect, but you've consumed a load of crap somewhere along the way.

    I've read and seen many studies that all refute your claims here. Further, plenty of people have to wear full face p100 respirators ALL DAY LONG as part of their job, and seem to be just fine. So I'm pretty confident people can manage loose-fitting facial masks when out in public.

    So either bring data to these claims or drop the assertions please.

    I'm not saying masks are a bad idea, just that it does have undesirable effects. Just like most drugs, and other NPIs like lockdowns and even social distancing.

    As I explained here,

    There’s a fairly strong case that can be made against mask-wearing [at least in various situations]: https://www.covid19refusers.com/heres-the-science-that-shows-face-mask-mandates-are-political-and-not-medical/ – But of course there’s an enormous difference between wearing them in appropriate situations vs. mandates to wear them everywhere outside at all times, and wearing one in the supermarket vs. wearing one 8h a day 6 times a week at work. To say there are no health consequences to extended mask wearing is absurd, a product of unawareness (because YOU don’t have to wear it 8h a day) or [in some cases] slave mentality.

    But more importantly, realize that, while to you and decent people around the world, wearing a face mask is about stopping the spread of the virus (based on the belief in the already-officially-retracted claim of extensive asymptomatic spread, whether true or not), but to a minority of criminals, having us wear face masks (muzzles) is about submission, silencing, domination, fear, control, enslavement agendas… while they censor us to prevent the truth about effective cures coming out.

    You can even measure your oxygen levels with a device, i.e. you can verify for yourself that your oxygen level can drop to unhealthy levels.

    Consider also people with other respiratory or oxygen-related conditions, as many elderly have, who are asked to wear them whenever they are outside. I have friends, young and old, workers who wear it 8h a day and even some that wear it far less time than that, who say they have gotten dizzy from wearing it. Not my case at all frankly, but to deny that there are any side-effects at all seems like an exaggeration. There's a trade-off to most things.

    Masks are now less important than they were (or would have been) early on, as we're now practicing distancing and have effective treatments.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 10:02am

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    mask data

    Here's a study on N95 mask-wearing.  This, on healthy pregnant women.  Definite changes were noted in all sorts of things - most of which I don't really understand.

    I do wonder what would happen to > 70 year old people subjected to the same conditions.

    https://aricjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13756-015-0086-z

    The conclusion:

    Breathing through N95 mask materials have been shown to impede gaseous exchange and impose an additional workload on the metabolic system of pregnant healthcare workers, and this needs to be taken into consideration in guidelines for respirator use. The benefits of using N95 mask to prevent serious emerging infectious diseases should be weighed against potential respiratory consequences associated with extended N95 respirator usage.

    This probably doesn't apply to cloth masks.  In my use of the N95, it definitely provides more resistance than the cloth masks I've tried.

    I'm guessing that cloth masks provide a whole lot less protection than the N95.  I'd be really interested in finding out just how much lower "inoculum" you would get from using a cloth mask.  What percentage are we talking about?  Having actual data could be really persuasive to those who don't like wearing masks.

    I'd be willing to bet that for normal people in most situations, taking a daily Vitamin-D supplement (especially for blacks and native americans) is vastly more helpful than wearing a cloth mask.

    Likewise - situations matter.  Where do we get infected?  Mostly, that would be at home, and on transport.  Home = nobody is wearing a mask, while transport = mostly people are wearing masks.  (And maybe, if we eliminate transmission on transport, maybe it goes away everywhere else too).

    Of course if you are taking care of someone who is sick, you probably want to wear that N95.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 10:03am

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    Cant believe we are still talking about negatives of masks.

    I agree that there is usually some downside and risk/reward with most medical interventions.   But Masks, I do not believe qualify here.   I cant believe this is still a thing.

    Firstly all filter media, be it, an air filter for your AC/heating system or vacuum,  all have a filtration rate , usually expressed in CFM.    The mask media we wear all have filtration rates that far exceed the air requirements of a human at normal activity.  So, there can be no real deficit. However, I do acknowledge there may be a negligible increase in resistance,  which most people , except those with respiratory muscle deficits can easily compensate for.

    As for the for only risk,  Its purely psychological for those who believe it will suffocate them, and therefore refuse to breathe normally, thereby causing some shift in blood gasses.. Which , if and when they do pass out will be immediately restored because they will breathe normal once passed out.

    David, I am not really surprised about the study with pregnant women.   It should be noted that breath rate and gas exchange can be altered just by position. Obviously fit and thinner people are less effected.   Its interesting that the study was no pregnant healthcare workers.  There is an increased workload on pregnant women , I would expect all kinds of altered dynamics on work load with pregnant women,  not just with masks, but breathing alone can be laborious in these individuals as can in obese and unconditioned individuals.  But for the regular paper mask with a good flow rate, it should be so negligible in comparison to those other considerations.   There are workers in industries that use chemicals all day long that virtually live in full-face mask respirators, like auto painters and exterminators etc.   These people are not becoming gas challenged within their bodies.. If they are - its more likely to be from smoking, drinking, medications,  being unfit, over-weight - or even pregnant.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 10:32am

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    If I could award a Nobel peace prize I would be giving it to Chris. As a retired MD who was part of the successful containment of SARS (better than all the rest of North American cities, inoculation of new cases from overseas vs resulting deaths), but not this time; Chris has consistently got it right, and has followed the science, a rarity unfortunately. I will be signing up as a paying member (of PP) as my form of recognition.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 11:33am

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    Mother Jones

    I had introduced your videos to a friend of mine because she had asked where I was getting  my information from.  She found the Mother Jones piece and immediately dismissed you saying she trusts MJ.  I didn't even know where to begin to respond.  If you don't get that no one entity has a cornered the market on truth and keep an open mind then you are limiting yourself.  Everyone needs to think for themselves.  Karen

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 12:11pm

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    immediately dismissed you saying she trusts MJ......no one entity has a cornered the market on truth

    The bigger issue is overlooked here.   Most people in this world (about 94% according to what I have been studying) are incapable of true independent rational thought, wherein a logical conclusion is treated with the same veracity as an empirical observation.  This is why it is worthless or even a detriment to argue with most people.

    As America descends into Germany 1930s- like tyranny it is important to keep this in mind because rational people who think for themselves are a threat to the fascist state (using Chris Hedges definition of fascism as the merger of state and corporate power).
    so my point is:
    1. it is increasingly dangerous to speak truth or argue truth to most people
    2. peak prosperity is a site where rational people can find each other and find the kind of truth seeking that is possible from respectful discussions
    3. it might be best to take the approach "let sleeping dogs lie" when it comes to the majority of people who proudly identify themselves as non-rationals by proclaiming trust in particular media....

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 12:41pm

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    Face masks and Fear

    Hello PPer's,  I just thought I would put this out here as a sort of connect the dots exercise based on the information Chris has so graciously, like a champ, shared with the world completely free of charge at great personal sacrifice.

    I have learned that maybe up to 50% of the population is immune to SarsCov2 based on long term T-Cell immunity.  I have also learned that another good percentage of the population maybe somewhere between 25-35% have very mild symptoms when they get sick.  That leaves somewhere between 15-25% of the population being susceptible to a serious case of Covid19 and a smaller % of this group will either die or end up with long term health problems from the virus.

    According to the CDC, of all the deaths counted, and we know the deaths are inflated  because we've been told the authorities are inflating the death rates, only 6% of the 172,000+/- deaths was due to Covid alone and the remainder of the Covid deaths had 2.6 co-morbidities.

    I've learned that Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Selenium and of course Zinc are particularly beneficial immune boosters for the SarsCov2.  I've learned that quercitin is a potent zinc ionophore along with green tea, which I drink almost on a daily basis.  I've also stocked up on Elderberry tinctures and syrup.

    I've learned that HCQ with Zinc and a Z-pac, early on, will knock out Covid, pronto; and I've found a doctor in a neighboring town that will prescribe it.

    With all the information we have now, knowing there are effective and cheap treatments, after knowing more of the statistics on who's getting it and who's not, knowing how to boost the immune system uniquely for this disease, why the need for face masks?

    Don't we all remember that wonderful interview with the guy from Texas who ran a nursing home and he followed Chris' protocols early, early on, re: quarantine, HCQ and Zinc and only one person died in that nursing home?  I don't remember if he implemented that everyone in the nursing home had to wear facemasks, that's like having to wear facemasks all day in your home.  Maybe just the Staff?  Would be good anecdotal information to have.

    Quarantine the sick.  Quarantine the at risk - voluntarily.  Treat them effectively.  Let everyone else live their lives so the population can reach heard immunity and then it's over.

    No shut downs.  No school closures.  No stopping church!  No agricultural shut downs. No "essential workers."  Who in the sam hell is qualified enough to make the decision to shut down society?

    I don't believe in force or coercion.  What ever guidelines are recommended should remain recommendations, otherwise where does it stop?  I have seen Australians beaten for not wearing their masks correctly.  I have seen an Australian middle age woman tackled to the  ground, sat on by a male officer with his hand on her throat because she was not wearing a face mask.  My county wants it's residents to register if any of us plan on having more than 10 guests at our home - that bit of news this morning was rather chilling.  It felt like a noose tightening.

    Where do I draw the line?  Where do you draw the line?  Where do we draw the line?

    Seems to me, based on all the evidence Chris has presented, this disease is not the bogey man it was portrayed as initially.  I was very afraid and concerned in the beginning but with all the data, my fear meter as to Covid has gone silent.

    On the other hand, my fear meter of what is my government going to do next is on high alert.  The mismanagement of this whole thing is so incredibly poor, I mean even a broken clock gets it right twice a day, right?  The links are below and I saved the best for last.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/29/us_covid-19_death_toll_is_inflated.html#!

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/35636-project-veritas-video-expose-authorities-are-inflating-covid-19-death-numbers-for-money

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-dr-birx-we-have-very-liberal-recording-of-covid-deaths-if-they-test-positive-we-are-counting-that

    Prominent Researchers Say a Widely Cited Study on Wearing Masks Is Badly Flawed

    https://metrics.stanford.edu/sites/g/files/sbiybj13936/f/files/pnas_loe_061820_v3.pdf

    The best for last, for Chris, who  loves peer reviewed science and all on face mask wearing (BTW, the scientists writing the article linked below were really afraid to print it, so they just cited the studies (:

    Do Face Masks Work? 8 Peer-Reviewed Studies on PubMed.gov

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 12:49pm

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    A great read on truth (and certainty) is 'Being Wrong' by Katheryn Schulz.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 1:10pm

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    Have you been called a racist yet?

    Just to let everyone know,  under the most bizarre circumstances I have been called a racist twice in the last 60  days for the first time(s) in my now 60 years on this planet.

    While I just tied the knot with my brown sexy man and partner of 16 years, and I know we are not these bodies!  I'm not even prejudiced against snakes or wasps or scorpions!  I stopped eating flesh food so as to not offend/incur more karma from directly participating in that creature's suffering.

    Has anyone noticed a narrative or two is being shoved down our throats?

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 1:48pm

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    Relating to your energy comments and the future

    Hi Chris, great work, been following you since January.  Since you have a strong science background I wonder if you would take a look at this and comment on it.  Cheap decentralized clean energy is key to the future.  Most people I've shown this to just don't get it, I suspect because they don't have enough science background.  I think you do:

    Kirk Sorensen @ PROTOSPACE on Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors - YouTube

    best to start at 5:00

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 3:00pm

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    Attn: Chris info on hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin

    This shows that the Trump administration knew this protocol was effective months ago.

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhLD1P5nH30

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 3:39pm

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    gkcjrrt said:

    With due respect-

    Granted: if everyone wore masks, the rate of infection/transmission would likely drop.   That's a qualitative statement, similar to: if we stopped spewing C02 in the atmosphere, global warming would slow.   That's not a sufficient reason.

    Do you have any quantitative data and modeling (not from folks like Neil Ferguson) that would gives us a high confidence in some dramatic improvement of ultimate outcome of this pandemic with respect to lives saved and quality of life by everyone wearing masks?  Please share. I have seen nothing but speculation and "it's reasonable to assume" type argument.

    Note that the confirmed cases are plummeting all over the country, even with ramped up testing, and have been since late July.

    When do we stop wearing masks according to your protocol?    When there are no more cases detected?   Epidemiologist have confirmed that SARS-COV2 is not containable, and will always be circulating, and vaccines are only 50-60% effective at best (maybe won't have a vaccine anyway - recall the failed attempt to develop one for SARS).

    Why don't we wear masks during flu season?   The flu does kill also, (20-50K per year in the US at current estimates- and probably more) as you probably know.

    Biden is promising a mask mandate.  Fear and Control, the herding of sheep, nothing more.  Irrespective of whether wearing masks may lead to a significant and demonstably better outcome (and that hasn't been shown yet),  the gov is using the issue as a form of social control.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 3:56pm

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    re: hlandini

    I have learned that maybe up to 50% of the population is immune to SarsCov2 based on long term T-Cell immunity.  I have also learned that another good percentage of the population maybe somewhere between 25-35% have very mild symptoms when they get sick.

    I am glad you think you learned something.  Show me the study proving this?  I can assure it very wrong.   Even if you based on tested people., we now know the tests are way off.  So, no.. I challenge you and anyone who affirms your statement above to go sit in and take care of covid victim and tell me how it goes..    Trust me you will find very quickly what they call mild illness is not..   and you will also find that this immune to covid is far far from fact.    and nowhere near 50%..  it might approach 20% but not 50.   AND that is with bad tests.

    I looked at those ridiculous cherry picked studies, about specific people with significant conditions being affected by masks.. like it substantiates the reason for the other 99.99% of population to throw them away.. Some of those studies were about the wearers protection,. and not the wearer being the spreader.     Which is what we are really talking about  - so again looking at bad science.. other studies said very little about anything at all..   Just really some of the worst compilation of science I have seen to try to prove the point why to get rid of your mask..  Just crazy stuff ..

    I feel I do not even need to justify this type of garbage but since its out here.. and we are supposed to be objective.. I will try my best.. But really , those studies are hardly relevant or very bad science.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 4:39pm

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    re: hlandini re: nordicjack

    Nordicjack, I am pretty sure Hlandini was referring to the things he or she has learned from listening to/reading Chris. In fact, Chris had a recent video that was titled: Good News: Up to 50% of Us May be Pre-Immune to Covid-19  where he discussed some of the statements you take issue with in Hlandini's post.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 6:34pm

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    Thank You oclisa!

    Yes, that's exactly where I got that information from, that good news episode.  It's one of his theories and it makes sense.

    I have a strong science background: EMT training, 2 years Nursing school, worked at Parkland Hospital in Dallas, lots of biology, anatomy, physiology, patho-physiology, microbiology classes, all those labs.  I loved it, it's one of the reasons I never miss one of Chris' reports and I'm comfortable with the vocabulary.

    Nordicjack, as for your comment here:  "Which is what we are really talking about  - so again looking at bad science.. other studies said very little about anything at all..   Just really some of the worst compilation of science I have seen to try to prove the point why to get rid of your mask..  Just crazy stuff ."

    Not sure if you  actually read the links I posted, but the 8 studies on facemasks are peer reviewed and they are the gold standard in the science department.

    Another link provided an article regarding a "study" proclaiming facemasks reduce the spread of Covid19 that is being called out as dog shit science, just like the dog shit study the Lancet published and then had to retract that Chris told us about.  There was a long list of qualified people signing onto that letter to the editor demanding the "facemasks prevent Covid" study gets retracted- just like the one Chris told us about in the Lancet.

    Oh, and we just learned from Chris that the tests being administered are taken out beyond the 32-35 cycle thresh-hold, for no reason...... other than maybe ramp up the Covid19 numbers?  Project Veritas just did an inside investigation on what morticians in NY are saying:  https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-funeral-directors-in-covid-19-epicenter-doubt-legitimacy-of-deaths/

    And where are your peer reviewed studies or other links that support your position ?

    This is what forced, mandated face masks look like on the ground, with a little humor thrown in (:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=whatsherface&t=hk&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D8OchMBJ23j0

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 7:03pm

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    Disagree #1 should be face masks

    Sorry Chris,  I think the number one thing we should be doing is boosting our immune systems, not wearing facemasks.

    As a reminder, we went from a two week lock down to "flatten the  curve" to lock down until further orders and now ya gotta wear a mask outside.  I ain't buyin' it.

    With all we have learned and all we know from the past, do you really think face masks are being mandated for our safety and welfare?

    I think not.

    I think its more for our conditioning.  But hey, I'm a skeptic.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 11:06pm

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    rank ordering

    Perhaps this is a nit-picky thing, but I'd agree with Parkland Hladini here.  We should prioritize immune over masks.  And I'll add, we should be strategic about where we wear these masks too, to avoid "mask fatigue."

    Consider: science tells us that we mostly (80%) get COVID at home.   We don't wear masks at home, yet it is our area of highest risk.  Therefore, boosting our immune system must be the top priority, because that's our only defense in our most dangerous environment.  The critical bits appear to be vitamin D, followed (perhaps) by glutathione deficiency - the older you get, the more pronounced the deficiency is.

    Also, if we have someone sick at home, we might consider wearing the mask at home.  As I said, it is the area of highest risk (80%).

    Then, mask-wearing can be mandated in the other areas of highest risk, such as transport (34%) - buses, planes, trains, subways, etc.

    Wearing masks outside appears superfluous.  Science tells us that this disease very rarely transmits outside (0.3%).  Perhaps there is a placebo benefit for a fearful population.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1

    Areas of transmission for this study were as follows: home (80%), transport (34%), restaurant (3.4%), entertainment (1.7%),  shopping (1.7%), outdoors (0.3%).

    In sum - long duration indoor gatherings with poor ventilation are the danger spots.  With home being #1 by far.

    [We can include "singing" events too; a number of anecdotes involve singing indoors; choir practice should probably be avoided or held outside]

    Given "at home" is most dangerous, our own immune system is priority #1.  It just has to be.

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  • Sat, Sep 05, 2020 - 11:51pm

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    Not contradictory

    They can be both effective and be used for training purposes. Every good lie has at least 90% truth remember? It’s so important not to lose logic in the emotion; I’m talking to myself with that last bit as much as you.

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  • Sun, Sep 06, 2020 - 5:07am

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    Let South Korea be your only example...

    ... after reading that South Korean's were wearing masks to protect them from the Virus there was a spin off effect: no more recorded cases of the flu, not one, zero!!! This is hard data that shows conclusively that mask wearing is so logical, responsible and the best defense against any Covid related illness that one really must be a knucklehead if not irresponsible not to wear a mask.

    As a 65 year old gentlemen with pre conditions and NOT ever wanting to catch this Virus I can absolutely wear a mask the few times I find myself in situations where I might catch something then my n95 mask is a pleasure to wear. As for any discomfort, I agree, it's less than optimal however, how does DEAD or physically harmed in a very bad way sound!? I'll opt for a mask as it is the truly best answer to fighting this Virus. to dispute all the research out there and promote not wearing a mask is one of those arguments I do not want to even share in except for this brief comment. Just wear a mask to protect me then if not for yourself. You should feel better for the effort which will strengthen your own immune system because you are joyful for possibly saving someone else from this dreaded Virus, like me! Peace

     

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  • Sun, Sep 06, 2020 - 7:10am

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    Balancing the value of all preventive factors against the enslaving official narrative

    @Hladini
    I have learned that maybe up to 50% of the population is immune to SarsCov2 based on long term T-Cell immunity. I have also learned that another good percentage of the population maybe somewhere between 25-35% have very mild symptoms when they get sick. That leaves somewhere between 15-25% of the population being susceptible to a serious case of Covid19 and a smaller % of this group will either die or end up with long term health problems from the virus.

    But this is without those 15-25% taking any chemical-based preventive measures, correct? If they even just had 25(OH)D levels above 35 ng/ml, they might not even experience a flu-like run of it.

    According to the CDC, of all the deaths counted, and we know the deaths are inflated because we've been told the authorities are inflating the death rates, only 6% of the 172,000+/- deaths was due to Covid alone and the remainder of the Covid deaths had 2.6 co-morbidities.

    This is a very important revision/clarification indeed, however many people (mostly in the alternative/truth media) are interpreting it a bit wrong, in the desire to label the whole pandemic a hoax. As Mike Adams explains:

    To begin with, nearly all deaths of older people — from ANY cause — have comorbidity factors. When people die from cancer, they often have heart disease. When they die from heart disease, they often have liver disease. When they die from influenza, they often have respiratory problems. This is not exactly bombshell news.

    As a thought experiment, if a bomb were to explode in a nursing home, almost everyone killed by the bomb would have also had underlying health conditions. But that doesn’t mean the bomb didn’t kill them. Yet indy media outlets might run the headline, “Only 10% of those killed in the bombing died from the bomb alone.” That’s the equivalent of what they’re reporting right now, and it’s grossly misleading.

    The loose argument of many media pundits today is that since people died with comorbidity factors, they weren’t really killed by COVID-19. That’s flatly false. The vast majority of people killed in a sudden event — such as COVID-19 — will die with other diseases already festering in their body. The reason for this is simple: People are very unhealthy and are both living and dying from multiple health conditions.

    That shouldn’t be surprising to realize, given how many people are undergoing medical treatments for heart disease, cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer’s disease, liver disorders, obesity and other chronic degenerative conditions.

    It would be absurd, in fact, to think that only “perfectly healthy” people are dying from COVID-19. That makes no sense for several reasons, the first of which is that there are almost no “perfectly healthy” people living in America when considering those over the age of 30. The vast majority of the entire population is diseased right now, so whether they die from motorcycle accidents, drowning or COVID-19, the vast majority of deaths will obviously involve people who had underlying diseases and comorbidity factors.

    So it's not black-and-white, or that "only" 6% died from the coronavirus; but I do generally agree with the idea that with the treatments we now know to be effective, we could likely easily end the pandemic in a matter of weeks... if we weren't plagued by extreme corruption and, as Chris said, a near-absolute lack of integrity in all institutions/positions of power, including -- in fact especially -- alleged/presumed "health authorities", who are funded by the international vaccine-linked foundations, if they are not themselves vaccine companies (e.g. CDC and WHO).

    I've learned that Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Selenium and of course Zinc are particularly beneficial immune boosters for the SarsCov2. I've learned that quercitin is a potent zinc ionophore along with green tea, which I drink almost on a daily basis. I've also stocked up on Elderberry tinctures and syrup.

    Add NAC for glutathione plentifulness, especially if you suspect you might be carry the bug. It's also important to consider the source of green tea, as the plant is pretty good at absorbing heavy metals the soil might be exposed to (you want organic or known low-contamination source, and non-China even if labeled organic). Same goes for EGCG extract (the actual zinc ionophore molecule).

    I don't believe in force or coercion. What ever guidelines are recommended should remain recommendations, otherwise where does it stop? I have seen Australians beaten for not wearing their masks correctly. I have seen an Australian middle age woman tackled to the ground, sat on by a male officer with his hand on her throat because she was not wearing a face mask. My county wants it's residents to register if any of us plan on having more than 10 guests at our home - that bit of news this morning was rather chilling. It felt like a noose tightening.

    Yeah, it's astonishing. We have this thread for Australian covidian authoritarianism. And this one for NZ.

    Where do I draw the line? Where do you draw the line? Where do we draw the line?

    Seems to me, based on all the evidence Chris has presented, this disease is not the bogey man it was portrayed as initially. I was very afraid and concerned in the beginning but with all the data, my fear meter as to Covid has gone silent.

    Same here (it never actually increased above 0 for me). And that's where we want to get to. Some just don't realize yet. The virus itself ceased being the biggest enemy/threat already months ago. Remember how the Honeybadger rampage actually looks like, even in Sweden:

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/581074/ersshe4gn45uxx3u65x33o9bzuqkg7u1.png

    And the fact that FEAR, i.e. a fearful mindset acquired primarily from watching the fear porn that is the fake TV "news", shuts down your immune system, making you far more vulnerable to the virus (and any other pathogen and even cancer). One of the best remedies is turning off the TV for a week or two (or permanently). In fact I have no studies to point to but I suspect that should actually be #1, haha.

    @gkcjrrt
    Do you have any quantitative data and modeling (not from folks like Neil Ferguson) that would gives us a high confidence in some dramatic improvement of ultimate outcome of this pandemic with respect to lives saved and quality of life by everyone wearing masks? Please share. I have seen nothing but speculation and "it's reasonable to assume" type argument.

    Note that the confirmed cases are plummeting all over the country, even with ramped up testing, and have been since late July.

    When do we stop wearing masks according to your protocol? When there are no more cases detected? Epidemiologist have confirmed that SARS-COV2 is not containable, and will always be circulating

    Good points, when do we stop wearing masks, when cases are zero? As if that's gonna happen given how PCR testing can be and already is being weaponized according to political agendas. The virus eradication strategy is already a failed one -- the herd immunity strategy pioneered by Sweden is the way to go as proven by the chart above. Sweden doesn't even RECOMMEND using masks, and yet see their epidemiological curve above. We can do Sweden with mask RECOMMENDATIONS, not MANDATES, for everyone but particularly the more vulnerable population.

    @planfortomorrow
    ... after reading that South Korean's were wearing masks to protect them from the Virus there was a spin off effect: no more recorded cases of the flu, not one, zero!!! This is hard data that shows conclusively that mask wearing is so logical, responsible and the best defense against any Covid related illness that one really must be a knucklehead if not irresponsible not to wear a mask.

    As a 65 year old gentlemen with pre conditions and NOT ever wanting to catch this Virus I can absolutely wear a mask the few times I find myself in situations where I might catch something then my n95 mask is a pleasure to wear. As for any discomfort, I agree, it's less than optimal however, how does DEAD or physically harmed in a very bad way sound!? I'll opt for a mask as it is the truly best answer to fighting this Virus. to dispute all the research out there and promote not wearing a mask is one of those arguments I do not want to even share in except for this brief comment. Just wear a mask to protect me then if not for yourself. You should feel better for the effort which will strengthen your own immune system because you are joyful for possibly saving someone else from this dreaded Virus, like me! Peace

    This depends on how you are perceiving the virus and the threat it represents, and even moreso how you are perceiving the different prevention factors and treatments. IF you wear the mask always (at home too given that 80% of transmissions happen at home?) and don't have the appropriate treatments in your possession, then you're far worse off than you would be if you have the appropriate treatments available and only wear a mask where and when appropriate (as most of us here are doing but most people are not doing). The narrative that masks (and distancing and lockdowns, and remdesivir and vaccines) are the only relevant factors is the enslaving narrative the globalist crime gang want us to believe.

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  • Sun, Sep 06, 2020 - 7:25am

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    2retired said:

    There is humour to be found almost anywhere; When I was reading every surgical journal I could find, for my fellowship preparations. I came across a serious paper (S G&O from the 30's) on the evils of mask wiggling(!) with a long winded justifications for stamping it out. There are depths of earnestness yet to be reached!

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  • Sun, Sep 06, 2020 - 4:28pm

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    IFR and CFR confused .....causing 1% error and panic to shut down the world

    On 3/11/20 testimony before Congress stated that influenza CFR was 0.1% making it look like Covid was 10 times as bad. Actually the IFR is 0.1%...There are always more infections than cases.

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/500000-covid19-math-mistake-panic/

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  • Sun, Sep 06, 2020 - 4:50pm

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    Koi Phish said:

    This is my first comment here at PP.  First I have to thank Chris for this site and his two books, "Prosper" and "Crash Course."  It is so great to see  so much information presented in a simple fact based format.  Chris is so good about being transparent on his opinion vs facts with footnotes for references.  I have been trying to live my life in a more sustainable way since 1985 (35yrs).  Learning how to be self sufficient,  making your own shelter, growing your own food and collecting  your own energy and water are all things that take years to achieve good skills.

    So here is my 2 cents about masks, from the perspective of a person that has worked in air filtration and air monitoring systems in many environments including class 3 bio-hazard labs.

    P100 masks are the least acceptable type of mask for real airborne viral protections.  A P100 is 150 times more effective at filtration than an N95. (99.97% vs 95%).   The next level, typically only used around a known severe hazard is a "forced air HEPA mask" with bio hazard  jump suit costing over $1000.  The old style cloth medical masks (like used in the Spanish pandemic of 1918) seem to be outdated. The recent FDA approval for these old mask as PPE for nurses and doctors is just insane.   I realize that these "unrated non-spec masks can still help the general public, but I feel the main benefit is to remind people about physical distancing.  A hand over your mouth for air diversion can be almost as effective if people could remember.  The absence of any consistent public policy is what causes doubt and conspiracy theories.  I feel that it is already near impossible for the average person the understand basic infection prevention strategies in a pandemic.  The exponential growth rates involved along with statistical analyses of group size, movement, distance, duration and types of activity are just not in peoples intuition.  So all we have seems to be inconsistent rules that limit our freedom .... not a good situation for the American culture of freedom at all  costs to society.

     

     

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  • Sun, Sep 06, 2020 - 11:58pm

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    Trust

    The biggest issue is not intellect. “Conspiracy Theories” are popular because there’s an awful lot of conspiring going on. Three pertinent conspiracies;

    • Hydroxychlorequine
    • Ivermechtin
    • Masks are ineffective and dangerous (now wear them or you’ll be fined)

    And this against the wider backdrop of bullshit and exploitation. I think before those claiming that anyone that doesn’t wear a mask is some kind of irresponsible deviant opens their mouth, they should think a little harder. Trust has disappeared for a reason; our “managers” are not trustworthy. Anyone not seriously disturbed by the way this virus is being used (created?) and the possible reasons/implications for this is not paying attention.

    Just to be clear, I’ve had an N95 mask from day 1 thanks to Chris.

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  • Mon, Sep 07, 2020 - 3:01am

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    critical thinking

    I hear you Mots and agree.

    --Most people in this world (about 94% according to what I have been studying) are incapable of true independent rational thought, wherein a logical conclusion is treated with the same veracity as an empirical observation.  --

    Incapable?  Not sure. I do think (hope?) though that people can be taught  to question everything and critically think things out for themselves.  I have to say that no one taught me. It was something over time, I taught myself.  But if the dots are connected and explained to consider everything, research for yourself, think through underlying hidden agendas and motives, step in other peoples shoes, look for grains of truth in what looks like fabrication...

    This must be one of our hidden biases.  Maybe the need for a leader.  The need to think that someone is smarter than we are and knows the answer so we don't feel helpless, alone and only can rely on ourselves.  That fear probably keeps people from doing their own critical thinking.  It  is too scary and uncomfortable.

    If most are incapable then that may be our true downfall.

    Karen

     

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  • Mon, Sep 07, 2020 - 5:05am

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    To Karenf

    The best bumper sticker I ever saw:  Critical Thinking:  Another National Deficit.

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  • Mon, Sep 07, 2020 - 5:06am

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    More Face Mask Peer Reviewed Studies

    Found a treasure trove of gold standard peer reviewed studies on facemasks:

    http://ocla.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Rancourt-Masks-dont-work-review-science-re-COVID19-policy.pdf

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  • Mon, Sep 07, 2020 - 5:21am

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    Stay at Home: Grave Mistake?

    Karenf,  I think more people are waking up and beginning the critical thinking process.  I think it's people's BS meters that are signaling the shift.  Once we get a whiff of BS, then our critical thinking skills start to kick in.

    And then there's all this more time on people's hands...... and people are naturally curious.

     

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  • Mon, Sep 07, 2020 - 6:52am

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    Q and critical thinking

    ^ Yep, and there also seems to be a massive military intelligence operation going on in the form of coded messages inviting decoding and research, which is a way of activating the frontal lobe and critical thinking ability, while leveraging the sentiment/desire for (or unconscious longing for) some kind of a "leader".

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  • Mon, Sep 07, 2020 - 8:20am

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    tbp, are you channeling Ision?

    Where does Ision stand on the mandatory mask issue?

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  • Mon, Sep 07, 2020 - 10:46am

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    planfortomorrow said:

    I live alone with pooch all day until my Lady comes home from the hospital. She takes a shower as soon as she walks into our place. No mask needed for me as I have a Heppa filter and individual room filters. I wear a mask into and out of the market. Then I wear a mask if I'm with someone who doesn't. I DO NOT gather at any point without social distancing at any gathering. In fact I am probably with Barb 95% of the time and our close friends (2). I believe the load factor just makes sense and the wearing of masks to make perfect sense. Common sense. So this is what I do. I pay no attention to" the man " using the masks to control or enslave me. Wearing a mask is a choice, the right thing to do when situations call for it. I plan to wear it at all times except home during flu season, I don't want to catch the flu anymore either and wearing a mask will help.

    I also believe the immune system boost is the way to go and have done this as well. Still, the number one reason I wear a mask is that I ingest my own spew and not yours. No matter what the science articles say, it just makes sense to me so I do it...Peace

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  • Mon, Sep 07, 2020 - 11:32am

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    Some evidence that mask wearing during illness may help reduce influenza virus transmission

    Hello Hladini,

    From the PDF:

    http://ocla.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Rancourt-Masks-dont-work-review-science-re-COVID19-policy.pdf

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05

    "There is some evidence to support the wearing of masks or respirators during illness to protect others, and public health emphasis on mask wearing during illness may help to reduce influenza virus transmission. There are fewer data to support the use of masks or respirators to prevent becoming infected. Further studies in controlled settings and studies of natural infections in healthcare and community settings are required to better define the effectiveness of face masks and respirators in preventing influenza virus transmission."

    Most of the studies compared N95 vs surgical masks. All of the studies were for influenza, not coronaviruses, if that matters.

    Thanks for the link.

    Hammer

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  • Mon, Sep 07, 2020 - 11:33am

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    Ision said:

    I lived in Japan for several years and I noticed it was quite common to see people wearing surgical/paper type masks, as they would put one on, if they thought they had a cold, or severe allergies, at play.

    The only function of such a low level mask is simply to reduce the chance of an ill person shooting their expectorates down range.  Such masks are not going to save one from an airborne virus, as it simply cannot filter the air to that degree.

    Masks are basically like covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze, as polite people have always done for decades.  Masks can be thought of as a gesture of concern to lessen (to whatever degree) of getting others sick, or sprayed.  But, the type of masks people are now using will not protect one from any airborne virus, or prevent one from shedding virus, even IF they were properly used....which they are not.

    Personally, I only put on a mask if an establishment requires it..or if doing so will soothe the fears of another, whom I do not wish to stress out.

    But, I would never wear a mask at home, or alone, or in an isolated area, or in my car...unless a passenger needed to feel safe.

    Basically, masks are for show and used as a tool of common struggle politics, much like collecting string and junk in WWII was.

    If you wish to be safe from airborne virus, wear a Level 4 suit...and make no mistakes as you do.

     

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  • Mon, Sep 07, 2020 - 4:41pm

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    The creepiest thing.....

    Hello there AKGranny!  Long time, no hear.  The creepiest thing to me is the term:  "essential  worker."   That term is taken right out of the Nazi system of slave labor from the ghettos, labor camps, concentration camps, and death camps.  If you were an "essential worker"  you did not get rounded up out  of the ghetto and onto the trains, until you did.

    It's how Schindler classified his factory working Jews: they are "essential workers."

    I think it's creepy we are using the same language today.... and in NZ and Australia the "essential workers" have to have their papers, too.  Interesting how history rhymes.

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  • Tue, Sep 08, 2020 - 6:18pm

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    Good News Tuesday! Chris' 9/8/20 Report

    Chris does it again.  Knocks  it out of the  ball park.  Today's  report is all about how Vit. D significantly lowers death rates, ICU rates, with no long lasting symptoms.  Now, with this solid proof of solid treatment, Chris is ready to shut down the shut downs!!

    It's nice to know my readiness to shut down the shut downs is seconded by  Chris.

    Loved the quote at the beginning of his presentation tonight. It's very true, morality and philosophy were required classes at universities for centuries and now not at all.  In fact just read a headline claiming a 3 hour credit is being offered on "How to Overthrow the State."  Segregation is coming back in vogue in at least one college, where some black students have requested their own segregated dorm.  Seems recent trends on campus are a far cry from morality, philosophy, or ethics.  Really liked the quote.

    Chris signaled he's taking a new direction with his reporting and I'm glad to see it.  I hope Chris shares more about preparing in the food department.  When I see all those young people rioting and protesting, all I can think is those poor fools, if they only knew what was coming they would be planting food like their lives depended on it.

     

     

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  • Tue, Sep 08, 2020 - 9:47pm

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    2retired said:

    Liked the photo of cinnamon and the lovely lady with the horse tail clouds above (harbinger of impending storm/hurricane), somewhat prophetic cloudscape.

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  • Tue, Sep 08, 2020 - 10:22pm

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    must watch

    https://www.bit chute.com/video/F4ZAPNoXXoWh/

    Take space out of the link above - delete space between bit and chute

     

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  • Tue, Sep 08, 2020 - 10:41pm

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    must must watch /official UN video in Pacific ringing in a NEW WORLD ORDER not on google

    https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/08/1070312

     

    https://www.bit chute.com/video/F4ZAPNoXXoWh/

    in this two hour plus UN official video - first link -you see the same performers as the next video shown on bit chute but not on google

    Take space out of the link above - delete space between bit and chute

    THIS is shocking

    IS ANYONE out there Press?

    I shall repost this in the morning perhaps as not many people up now

     

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  • Fri, Sep 11, 2020 - 12:13pm

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    must must watch /official UN video in Pacific ringing in a NEW WORLD ORDER not on google

    Well that was creepy!  We really need to wake up.

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  • Tue, Sep 15, 2020 - 9:10am

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    YES EEK is correct and it is real and do not believe the debunkers. UN HAS set up a NWO project

    HI

    THANK YOU EEK for also noting this. UN NWO IS real - There is a 27 May report from Spokesperson for the UN Secretary General and he denies but he uses the word sanctioned which has two meanings...This is how they operate I was trained in the same tricks...so do not let that put you off your research.  You will find as I did that YES it is real,,,but they are now denying it.

    I posted about this song from the Pacific a few days ago also. V V Important.  I am so glad EEK also did.  EEK when the song starts check it out, the young girl in glasses sings...

    Truly DUMB and broken hearted,,,, not Truly DOWN and broken hearted,,,,I had a linguist friend AND an elocution teacher watch it and both said yes she says DUMB not DOWN.  If any one in PP has lip reading skills please PM me if you wish......

    We are truly DUMB as in no way of expressing ourselves,,,

    To me this is IMPORTANT as hell as proof of UN in NWO, although no surprize to many, this KIND of proof and catching the UN lying point blank does not happen every day.

    I have been digging for three days now and have found out alot screen shots and saved alot yesterday.  There are MANY debunking saying not true.

    The Secretary General himself denies it but there are many facts which proves otherwise.

    I am fixin to put this article together but my big question is???

    Who can I send this to?

    Please fine minds of PP help me think of who I can send this to?  Who is there  in power right now that can use this information.

    Thank you

    I dont want to reveal my evidence here because I am not 100% sure trolls are not also on this site, and before when I announced some evidence in the Daily Mail comments, the evidence was scrubbed the next day...I know DM must be deep establishment also but I cannot think of where I can reveal -

    Thank you.  Really appreciate any ideas on who/how to send my report once it is done.

    Very tough as we dont know who to trust.

    PLEASE PM me any contacts/ideas as I dont want trolls seeing the ideas in advance.

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  • Tue, Sep 15, 2020 - 11:40am

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    Idiots

    A future New World Order? The world was moving towards multi-polarity before the orange clown came along. The goal, initiated by the U.S. is to isolate itself  economically from China and control through intimidation rather than shared economic interests.

    Super happy there are so many enlightened truth seekers from the alt right on the forum now. You're making such a difference here....as in...Chris is losing most of his members and I am about to quit. So right on!

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  • Tue, Sep 15, 2020 - 12:14pm

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    I doubt Chris is losing most of his members

    Probably just the opposite.  But speaking to truth will often alienate certain individuals.  And when an individual starts lobbing ad hominems, that individual loses credibility.  It's good for us to remember that unjust criticism is often a disguised, unintentional compliment.  As has been stated here before, you only get flak when you're over the target.

    Furthermore, there were plenty of problems before Trump and there will be plenty of problems when he is gone.  He is far from ideal but he is also not the source of all evil on earth, nor is the white man, nor is capitalism, although that is part of the narrative being proffered by those who seem to be much more adept at destroying rather than creating, building, and sustaining.

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  • Tue, Sep 15, 2020 - 2:22pm

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    eek, mary59 and properly agitating
    No need for anyone to panic or point fingers and call names etc.

    eek and mary59 provide information relating to how the world is changing now that America stopped producing wealth and China is taking its place by using its influence to shape the future the direction that their sociopaths desire.  Eek and mary59 point out that the UN has changed, before it was mostly under the influence of the US, now it is highly influenced by China's money and strategic influence as seen by China's man running the WHO  and doing China's bidding etc).  The video is from last year, produced by Chinese and the audio is post-covid recent, presumably paid for by Chinese.
    The UN has always been corrupt and lying and promoting the wishes of selfish people and organizations.  It was created for the purpose of preventing wars via an international government, which many call a "new world order."  This is not new.  Of course the people in the UN hope and expect to create a new world with a government that supercedes national governments. With THEM in charge.  Of course.  This is extremely natural.  Again, that is their reason for existence (for more than 50 years).   The desire to create  one international ruler is nothing new. Some people would argue that despotic rule by Chinese led puppets (again the WHO comes to mind here) is better than experiencing a world war I or world war II over again.  I have no opinion since I believe in an alternative anyway....

    And, properly agitating correctly points out that "[t]he goal, initiated by the U.S. is to isolate itself  economically from China and control through intimidation rather than shared economic interests."  Actions by the US probably are facilitating the new push towards Chinese control it seems.  No one is talking about this, are they?

    I thank both sides of this unnecessarily passionate dispute for pointing out some truth here.

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  • Tue, Sep 15, 2020 - 2:28pm

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    agitating prop said:

    I can speak my mind freely now, AO. This site like so many social media forums has been overwhelmed by people, on the right, who have been duped into believing that all ideas that are alternative to mainstream are true. It is the perfect petrie dish for the military dark state to operate within.

    We owe it to ourselves to question everything, and that includes the hard right propaganda, Q, and all of the other nonsense. Mainstream media is easy, it is so obviously biased and has been since its creation.  But alternative media is leveraging suspicion of the mainstream to push its own agenda to the detriment of everyone in the U.S.

    Some alternative media is fairly objective, or is trying to be, but it is an uphill battle. If your goal as an alternative source is 'freedom of speech,' that can and will be manipulated.

     

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  • Tue, Sep 15, 2020 - 2:49pm

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    The UN

    Here is a perfect explanation of the U.S position within the UN right from the horse's mouth, Former ambassador Bolton. Tell me what could possibly be worse for the world than this? And...if the US chooses to maintain it's global hegemony through aggression, rather than shared economic interests, it will get worse.

    Currently it is rallying Middle Eastern countries to align with Israel against Iran. Attacking Iran, in Trump's second term, is numero uno on the agenda. Not only does this please Israel, it further hurts China --as Iran is  their source of oil.

    Please do a source search of Epoch Times and Falun Gong to see who they are allied and their source of funding. Here you have both the alternative and mainstream media allied in going after China, demonizing its leaders, etc...As far as the Uighurs go, how on earth can we even know what is going on there, in the current atmosphere. That the Chinese are demonic, evil etc..is stated as a given. My position is the fog of proxy war, cold war and hot war makes it impossible to know what is going on. Doesn't mean I am pro-China, it means I am agnostic on the subject.

    Jon Bolton:

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  • Tue, Sep 15, 2020 - 5:10pm

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    Replying to must must watch /official UN video in Pacific ringing in a NEW WORLD ORDER

    Mary - the UN initiative for a New World Order has been in the works for some time, and my sense is that various NGO's are partnering with them to push this forward.  A major goal is the movement of people from poorer nations to richer nations, with the UN self-appointed to manage this process.  The request for all nations to sign The Global Compact for Orderly Migration was a step in this direction.  Most countries (> 150) signed the pact, including Russia (after insisting on the addition of a clause that they retain the right to administer their own immigration decisions).  A small number of countries refused to sign, and a few declined to attend the meeting (and therefore did not sign).  Wikipedia has a summary, which includes a note at the bottom referring to  negotiations taking place behind closed doors.  The logo for this initiative (top right) is also symbolic of their diversity agenda:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Compact_for_Migration

    Stefan Molyneux did an analysis of the wording in the final UN Migration Pact in late 2018, shortly before the signing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AI7uzgHb3w

     

     

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  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 6:12am

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    The UN

    I don't hang around here much anymore but stumbled on this post and thought I would add my .02.

    Yes China is demonic evil. It is naive to believe otherwise. Not only naive but dangerous. I work with Tibetan refugees. I have heard first hand their stories. In the last 11 years there have been around 150 self immolations in Tibet in protest of Chinese occupation.

    https://www.freetibet.org/about/self-immolation-protests

    I have been to the Tibetan Museum in Dharamshala (home of the Tibetan government in exile and residence of the dalai Lama). There are over 15,000 photographs depicting the history of Tibet and the Chinese occupation. Almost everyday I remember a B&W photo of a young Tibetan woman lying face down in the snow in  a Himalayan pass. She had just been shot by a Chinese soldier. Her crime? She was walking across the highest Mtn's in the world to leave the land of her birth to escape the repressive Chinese regime. She was leaving. I met a woman at the museum who had been in Lhasa in 1989. She told me about the Chinese soldiers mowing down monks and nuns who were protesting. She also had been taken to areas where foreigners were not permitted and saw the devastation of monasteries that had been turned into warehouses. The scrolls and artifacts destroyed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987%E2%80%931989_Tibetan_unrest#:~:text=The%20largest%20demonstrations%20began%20on,the%201959%20Tibetan%20uprising%20approached.

    https://tibetmuseum.org/

    The Chinese have systematically destroyed Tibet and its people. So you can save your bullshit about "shared economic interests". China has has one objective and that is world domination, and woe to anyone with the temerity to get in its way. Tibet is an example and a warning. I have no shared economic interest with China. I don't own Walmart stock and refuse to buy anything made in China unless I need it and can't source it elsewhere. As ridiculous as it sounds you cannot buy a ceiling fan made in the US. Even more ridiculous our PPE, drugs, medical equipment , etc. comes from China.

    As for the UN , it is a criminal organization being run by the NWO elites. The latest travesty with the WHO should be all you need to know. The UN headquarters is built on land donated by the Rockefellers. They are avowed globalists. The US should never have gotten into the UN and should get out ASAP. It does not in anyway shape or form benefit the Amerkaan people.

    Trump may not be right about a lot of things but he is right about China and the UN.

    Adios, I am now going back to more productive activities.

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  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 11:22am

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    "Sexual abuse in monasteries and oppressive feudalism in traditional Tibetan society has been factored out of the argument against China's occupation, oversimplifying it."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/feb/10/tibet-china-feudalism

     

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  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 11:44am

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    Mohammed, I agree with you for the most part. I think economic ties based on any kind of oppression is not the way to go. It's why they are being broken at this time that is key though. I don't think that China is looking to dominate globally. It is trying to manage a ginormous population with tremendous demand for food, for starters. And I believe what you say about the people you have met and their stories of their lives in Tibet. It's tragic

    What I don't take for granted as truth is the Dalai Llama's museum in exile. Some of it is true, no doubt, but the info is not from an unbiased source, so there will be spin placed on it. The Chinese are not 'demonic' It's that kind of emotional fundamentalism that clouds analysis of a situation.

    You need more distance from the subject. I had a terrible experience with Somali and Egyptian Muslims in Minneapolis, around the death of my brother in law, a few years ago. They pretty much took over his life, at the end of his life and tried to lock his family out...which was weird because he was living with his mother.

    Then, while he was on his death bed, they tried to get him to cut his girlfriend out of the will and have the beneficiary changed to the local mosque. The hospice had to bar them from the facility they were so disruptive.

    I disliked all Muslims for about a year, particularly due to the fact that the stress of the ordeal on my husband contributed to his death of a heart attack 5 months later.

    I realized after a year, that I couldn't generalize from my own experience and my view had narrowed too much and I had been understandably demonizing all Muslims, so I took a broader view, which was difficult but necessary.

    Too much information, perhaps, but I feel its important that, if we can distance ourselves emotionally, we can think about things more clearly.

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  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 12:32pm

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    Thank you JWhite

    Thank you very much for your post and this key information.  I continue my research on this topic.  You helped my morale also and I really appreciate that.  Kindest -

    M

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  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 12:41pm

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    Thank you MM

    Thank you for this information.  My objective is to write a piece/video  re this topic UN NWO as I am thinking that a large percentage of people (tax payers) do not realize this.  The details I have discovered-(thanks to other investigators mostly) and people like yourself,  provide a story with factual evidence difficult to turn away from for anyone with even basic critical thinking skills.  The issue is what do I do with this piece once it is put together?  Any ideas you may have are appreciated and thank you again for coming into this discussion.

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  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 1:18pm

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    How to get to Texas from Arkansas

    Well first you go West till you smell it. Then you go South till you step in it.

    Bullshit is pretty much the same.

    If ignorance is bliss you must be one happy camper.

    I am out of this conversation.

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  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 1:42pm

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    how gracious, Mohammed

    "Well first you go West till you smell it. Then you go South till you step in it.

    Bullshit is pretty much the same.

    If ignorance is bliss you must be one happy camper.

    I am out of this conversation."

    It's probably best to remove yourself from discussion when you are demonizing entire nations while you insult someone who works double, triple hard to be rational. A wise choice.

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