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    James Howard Kunstler: The Coming Economy Of “Less”

    Society is approaching a breaking point
    by Adam Taggart

    Monday, March 12, 2018, 12:20 AM

Author and commentator James Howard Kunstler returns as our podcast guest this week for an update on where we are in The Long Emergency timeline.

In this wide-raging discussion ranging from the pervasiveness of propaganda in today's media to the risk of nuclear war, Kunstler also re-news his warnings of a current secular economic slowdown.

After too many years of market interventions, magical thinking, racketeering, and bleeding the 99% dry, he warns that our culture and economic system will soon reach a snapping point:

The important story is what happens in the financial sector and how it effects the economy in the next twelve to eighteen months. As we know, the financial system is the most abstract and fragile of all the systems that we depend on because the other systems can't run without it. The trucks won't make the food deliveries to the supermarkets unless the finance system works. The gasoline won't get to the pumps at the stations.

Nothing's going to move if the financial system cracks up. People no longer trust each other to transact, to get paid. And so they stop transacting.

We're talking about a falling standard of living and getting used to an economy of "less". It sounds kind of Ebenezer Scrooge-ish to suggest that people may have to do with less rather than more, because more has always been the expectation in our lifetime. But that's probably a fact. And as I've said more than once, reality has mandates of its own. Circumstances are going to inform us about how this economy is emerging and where we need to go with it. And we can either pay attention or just sit there with our fingers in our ears. 

What we're talking about here is the armature of our culture and economy that people hang their lives on. And that armature is crumbling. There are fewer things that people can hang a life on in a meaningful way, or a way that even ensures that they can have a little bit of security looking into even a short-term future.

For example, I had a day yesterday that felt like national Murphy's Law Day. I got a screw in a tire. The screw was in a place where, under New York State law, they're not allowed to fix the tire if the screw is near the outside of tread. So I had to buy a brand-new tire. And then I was going to take the trash to the dump in my old pickup truck, which I keep around for that purpose. But the battery was dead. So I had to go down to the auto parts store and buy a new battery, and bring it home and put it in.

Now, I'm among the lucky people in this land who can actually buy a new tire and buy a car battery. But probably some enormous percentage of the population, like 78% or 84% — I'm not quite sure what it is — they don’t have enough money to buy a new car battery if their car dies on some god forsaken freeway shoulder 38 miles from home. Imagine how crazy-making that is. I can easily, because I was a truly starving bohemia until well into my 40s, struggling just to pay the light bill while writing book after book. So I know what it's like to live day after day in that kind of financial anxiety.

I imagine that the financial anxiety out there right now is just so extreme that there's a whole mass of people who are being pushed to the limits of their sanity.

Click the play button below to listen to Chris' interview with James Howard Kunstler (57m:11s).

About the Guest
James Howard Kunstler

James Howard Kunstler says he wrote The Geography of Nowhere, "Because I believe a lot of people share my feelings about the tragic landscape of highway strips, parking lots, housing tracts, mega-malls, junked cities, and ravaged countryside that makes up the everyday environment where most Americans live and work."

Home From Nowhere was a continuation of that discussion with an emphasis on the remedies. A portion of it appeared as the cover story in the September 1996 Atlantic Monthly.

His next book in the series, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, published by Simon & Schuster / Free Press, is a look a wide-ranging look at cities here and abroad, an inquiry into what makes them great (or miserable), and in particular what America is going to do with it's mutilated cities.

This was followed by The Long Emergency, published by the Atlantic Monthly Press in 2005, is about the challenges posed by the coming permanent global oil crisis, climate change, and other "converging catastrophes of the 21st Century."

His 2008 novel, World Made by Hand, was a fictional depiction of the post-oil American future. The sequel to that book, "The Witch of Hebron," was published in 2010.

Mr. Kunstler is also the author of eight other novels including The Halloween Ball, An Embarrassment of Riches and Maggie Darling. He is a regular contributor to the New York Times Sunday Magazine and Op-Ed page, where he has written on environmental and economic issues.

Mr. Kunstler was born in New York City in 1948. He moved to the Long Island suburbs in 1954 and returned to the city in 1957 where he spent most of his childhood. He graduated from the State University of New York, Brockport campus, worked as a reporter and feature writer for a number of newspapers, and finally as a staff writer for Rolling Stone Magazine. In 1975, he dropped out to write books on a full-time basis. He has no formal training in architecture or the related design fields.

He has lectured at Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Dartmouth, Cornell, MIT, RPI, the University of Virginia and many other colleges, and he has appeared before many professional organizations such as the AIA , the APA., and the National Trust for Historic Preservation.

He lives in Saratoga Springs in upstate New York.

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 8:24am

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    borderpatrol

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    James willing wears blinders

    When Chris brings up the fact that we are one of the most propagandized country in the world, James willing believes that there is little organized conspiracy behind it.  The CIA has paid journalist’s on the all  major newspapers and Bush changed the law saying that they can’t be paid any longer, at least up front.  The military industrial complex has accelerated it’s control over our country since the early 60’s and hopefully peaked with the loss of HRC for presidency. Our brainwashes citizens  belief that we are the world’s policeman is the world’s biggest lie.  Marine General Smedley Bulter opinion that “War is a Racket” hasn’t changed a bit and just has got worse.  When will James end his delusion, the plan by the one percent (I’m sure it’s smaller than that) to take even more centralized control of us is obvious to those that choose (verify it) to believe it. 

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 9:18am

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    Yes, but..,

    Caution is very warranted in this area. JHC frustrates me in this area too, but the “conspiracy under every stone” crowd frustrates me even more. This is one of the reasons I respect Chris so much; he walks the line very well. But, still, I note an unwillingness to give his opinion on certain topics, vaccinations being a notable example? That’s not judgement, far from it, I wouldn’t have the audacity. The point I’m trying to make is that we all draw our lines, I’m not a fan of JHC’s location, but I respect his perspective a great deal. Navigating this mess is a massive challenge for all. And a painful one! Loosely related and excellent article…..

     

    https://www.ecosophia.net/a-rhetorical-education/

     

     

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 10:05am

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    chipshot

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    Mentality of the .001%

    Would like to see more discussion about why a handful of mega-billionaires (such as Koch bros., Sheldon Adelson, CEOs of oil and defense companies) are using their money/power in a self serving manner that is causing so much harm to the majority of people and the planet overall.

    These people already have far more money than they could ever possibly spend, especially considering most are 60, 70, or 80+ yrs of age.  It’s one thing to live a hedonistic, even selfish lifestyle w your riches, but another to use your riches to rig the system to gain more wealth  (and power). 

    This handful of incredibly rich sociopaths are in a better position than anyone to take on the biggest problems the country/world faces, yet choose to game the system for their own benefit at the expense of everyone else?

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 10:41am

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    davefairtex

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    big tents

    I like the big tent philosophy.  If someone comes here with an expertise to share, I like hearing it.  They don’t have to agree with all of my beliefs to provide an interesting perspective.

    What does Wolf Richter think about 9/11?  UFOs?  Vaccines?  JFK assassination?  Organic foods?  Operation Northwoods?  I don’t honestly care.  At some point, filtering out people because they don’t check all the right boxes will end up dramatically limiting the variety of people who can come here and contribute.

    I know you weren’t specifically saying “we should filter people out” – I’m just suggesting we be tolerant of differences, that’s all.

    Big tent. 

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 11:27am

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    davefairtex

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    and speaking of UFOs...

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/12/ufo-encounter-new-footage-shows-u-s-navy-pilots-apparent-sighting-alien-craft-near-east-coast/415951002/

    Newly declassified video and audio show U.S. Navy pilots apparently encountering a UFO — with no wings and no tail — as they flew their Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter jet along the East Coast in 2015.

    Why do we think the Pentagon is declassifying these videos now?

    Discuss!  🙂

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 11:38am

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    Karsten Kolliker

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    On the European stupidity

    Remember the division among the European countries in the the run up to the Iraq War on whether to back this military campaign or to oppose it, remember how Donald Rumsfeld played on these divisions with his distinction between Old Europe (headed by Germany and France) and New Europe (the newly liberated East European countries)? Where we thought that the fall of the Berlin Wall marked the end of European divisions, somewhat unexpectedly these divisions resurfaced in a new form in which the East European countries showed their undisputed loyalty to the USA, where some of the traditional Nato allies were voicing their doubts and their calls for reconsideration.

    Well, this division is still very much a part of the European political and strategical situation. Of course both Chris and James are perfectly right in pointing out the stupidity of the official European stance on the coup d’etat in Ukraine and the sanctions on Russia and the outright military provocations of Nato all along the European border to Russia. After all, some of us here Europe are able to see that too, and there is no doubt that in some segments of the European societies the frustrations towards USA are building. USA is seen to deliberately stirring up tensions and divisions amongst neighbors. And USA apparently wants to sabotage the supply of natural gas from Russia to Europe (and from the Middle East to Europe).

    As an alternative pathway regarding its energy supply, the USA is offering the European countries to buy LNG from the American fracking business, an offer that everyone at Peak Prosperity knows is just outright fraudulent and unrealistic. Very tellingly, this past November Poland struck a five year deal with American LNG-suppliers, which should liberate Poland from any dependency on natural gas from Russia. Ironically, when the hard winter hit the American north east, USA had to import LNG from Russia in an amount that matched what was being shipped off to Poland.

    USA is persistently stirring up tensions and divisions in Europe for its own political and strategic objectives, and (some of) the East European countries apparently still revel in the status as special friends and partners to the US. This loyalty of the East European countries to outside forces is what have let Russia and Germany to develop a direct energy supply line in the form of the Nord Stream 2 Project. The track of this pipeline is projected to pass right by the small Danish island of Bornholm in the Baltic Sea, and as a dane myself I picked up on a somewhat peculiar public meeting on Bornholm held by the Danish Ministry of Energy. The peculiar thing about this meeting was, that the attendance of a whole array of Polish officials outnumbered the Danish citizens attending. And the Polish representatives were so eager to pose questions and state all sorts of criticism of the project that they in effect took over the meeting, and half of the attending Danish citizens left before the meeting was over.

    Also very tellingly, a contemporary statement from the then Danish Foreign Minister Martin Lidegaard read: ”In my view, whether Denmark in the end shall vote yes or no [to the Nord Stream 2 Project] depends largely on whether we can unite the EU [member states]”. So one way of explaining the obvious stupidity of the European countries is to factor in just how far the leading countries are prepared to go in the effort to keep the Union together.

     

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 2:12pm

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    Chris Martenson

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    I feel like I'm being 'leak prepped'

    davefairtex wrote:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/12/ufo-encounter-new-footage-shows-u-s-navy-pilots-apparent-sighting-alien-craft-near-east-coast/415951002/

    Newly declassified video and audio show U.S. Navy pilots apparently encountering a UFO — with no wings and no tail — as they flew their Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter jet along the East Coast in 2015.

    Why do we think the Pentagon is declassifying these videos now?

    Discuss!  🙂

    This feels off to me.  The second one just came out and I now feel like I’m being ‘leak prepped’ for some larger announcement about UFOs, ETs, etc.

    Anybody else feel that way?

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 2:33pm

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    sand_puppy

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    UFOs: It all depends on a priori assumption

    What are our starting assumptions about this topic?

    • extra-terrestrial civilizations are virtually certain to exist
    • some will have very high tech, be curious and explore
    • that Earth is and has been visited for a very long time
    • there has been a very organized, conscious and effective effort to disparage and hide this topic.

    For each of us:  What is our starting point?

    ——————-

    Oooooo!     leak prepped.  Good description, Chris.

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 2:37pm

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    MasterOfMyDomain

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    UFO Leak prep

    That was exactly my reaction too. When these stories actually made it to the front page of the NY Times I thought “Why in the world are they publishing this? Are they trying to gradually get us ready for something?”

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 3:21pm

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    Rodster

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    Maybe Aliens are trying to

    Maybe Aliens are trying to send us a message thinking we’re serious about invading Mars and screwing that place up as well. smiley

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 4:25pm

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    Leak Prepped

    Oh that’s an easy one!

    The “Boogymen”, you know really bad guys are more elusive these days and not always as scary or in your face as TPTB would like them to be.

    Enter the new, scary, high-tech, “Ellie” (extinction level type event) such as an extra-terrestrial invasion.  All nations would have to pull together, of course under a one-world leadership, in order to survive.

    Remember – to change the world, country, society etc…..

    • Demoralize
    • Destabilize
    • Create A Crisis (implement new, procedures, laws, changes, etc) (think 911)
    • Then Re- Normalize (mission accomplished the sheep are in a new pen and chipped to boot)

    Guess watching Independence Day II, is still lingering in my mind.  Didn’t Bush Senior talk about the benefit of an off-world threat being a catalyst to uniting the world?  

    AKGrannyWGrit

     

     

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 4:31pm

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    DennisC

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    Perhaps

    I haven’t had a hankering to build a giant mound of dirt in my yard (yet) that would be a welcoming landing site.  Anyway, didn’t they already tell us to leave the moon?

    And then there is this:

    It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.  ― Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

    Live long and prosper, and stay thirsty, mis amigos.

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 5:27pm

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    robie robinson

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    for the...

    finite to exist…the infinite must exist as a reference…Sartre,Jean-Paul

    get your mare settled and learn to live within YOUR limits,,,,the rest will follow or….not…so

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 5:38pm

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    Mark_BC

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    Pipyman wrote:Caution is

    Pipyman wrote:

    Caution is very warranted in this area. JHC frustrates me in this area too, but the “conspiracy under every stone” crowd frustrates me even more. This is one of the reasons I respect Chris so much; he walks the line very well. But, still, I note an unwillingness to give his opinion on certain topics, vaccinations being a notable example? That’s not judgement, far from it, I wouldn’t have the audacity. The point I’m trying to make is that we all draw our lines, I’m not a fan of JHC’s location, but I respect his perspective a great deal. Navigating this mess is a massive challenge for all. And a painful one! Loosely related and excellent article…..

    https://www.ecosophia.net/a-rhetorical-education/

    And mass shooting hoaxes / gov’t ops?

    I’ve mentioned it a few times here, that Youtube has been on a spree deleting thousands of videos that expose the various mass shootings as hoaxes. Some of these videos are so blatant that it would be impossible for any sane person to deny that a given shooting was a complete hoax. Instead, now when you do a search for “shooting xyz fake hoax,” all you get is videos on how the conspiracy theorists are bullying the victims. This has happened over the last several weeks. I saved some of the best ones and could maybe re-upload if anyone is interested, but that would be promptly deleted and may flag my user, as if it already isn’t flagged since the NSA knows everything I type…

    Here is a perfect example that got deleted a couple weeks ago, on the pathetically executed Orlando “shooting”.

    If you open it in a new tab it has been replaced with a screen saying that it violated Youtube’s policy on bullying and harassment. I assure you that it engaged in nothing remotely close to bullying and harassment.

    Note: I’m not going so far as suggesting that no one ever dies in these incidents. From what I have seen of Las Vegas, people did actually die, but I would suggest that the “government:, “Deep State”, whatever you want to call it, organized it.

    These false flags are clear evidence that there is an active and oppressive regime controlling and fabricating “news” and narratives they want people to believe. And they are doing this for a purpose, not just for fun. It has an endgame plan, folks, and it ain’t good.

    I’m guessing this site won’t go down that rabbit hole for fear of being ostracized and labeled terrorists or something. Sure, I can understand that.

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 6:42pm

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    Could aliens be the "new

    Could aliens be the “new Russia” for the deep state to declare as an existential threat that requires trillions of dollars of military expense to protect us?

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 7:24pm

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    JohnH123 wrote:Could aliens

    JohnH123 wrote:

    Could aliens be the “new Russia” for the deep state to declare as an existential threat that requires trillions of dollars of military expense to protect us?

    I’d be very interested to see the evidence they’d come up with to make us believe in extraterrestrial aliens attacking. When radio first came out they had that Martian attacking scare that people thought was real, but was just fiction. Now they have CGI.

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 8:20pm

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    sand_puppy

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    That was Ronald Reagan

    Hi AKGranny

    Ronald Reagan made a couple of mentions of “an alien threat to bring the world together.”  Two clips here combined in this brief youtube video here:

    Steven Greer and Linda Molton Howe have been talking about a false flag scenario for quite a few years.

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 8:53pm

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    LesPhelps

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    Rational Media

    I find it truly disheartening that I frequently switch to Sputnik to get meaningful news.  

    US News sources seem to be entirely about infighting, finger pointing and name calling, not to mention endlessly dredging up 20+ year old misbehavior and reporting it as if it’s the most important going on in the nation.

    Call me insensitive, but I really no longer care who patted who’s behind, in Hollywood 20 years ago.

    To my mind, there are much more important things going on today that need airtime.

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 8:58pm

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    davefairtex

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    prepped for what?

    I think it might be about energy.

    * the spacecraft certainly do not use gasoline as a power source

    * a power source sufficient to propel spacecraft across interstellar distances probably easily addresses the earthly fossil fuel problem.

    * given how long they’ve been around, the US government has probably already reverse-engineered the technology used to power these craft

    * for some reason – hegemony management, you can make a big bomb out of it too easily, or very cheap space travel for everyone could easily result in an extinction level event (just one mistake – or crazy person with an asteroid – and we suffer the same fate as the dinosaurs) – said power source has not been made available to the rest of the world.

    Now let’s imagine that the coming fossil fuels shortage is driving a change of heart by the government.  Slow disclosure is the plan.

    I guess that’s equivalent to being leak-prepped.  Going from heaping ridicule on UFO believers, to an “oh by the way the Air Force has these videos” is an inspired-by-Orwell’s-1984 type of pivot.

    Implications?

    The US Navy, Air Force, and Space Command – a massive, sunk capital investment in a planetary control machine – becomes instantly obsolete.  Suicide/drones made with this tech, in the hands of (say) ISIS, would be utterly lethal.  OPEC would also vanish.  Command of the sea lanes – irrelevant.  Anyone with a grudge and a fair amount of money could cause a great deal of trouble.

    You thought assault rifles were a problem?  Now imagine cranky teens operating spacecraft.  Imagine if the tech was actually pretty simple – if anyone with $100,000 could buy one.  What would society look like?  Instead of shooting up the school with Dad’s AR-15, instead you take Dad’s spacecraft and fly it into the school at 3000 mph.

    Maybe bigger change is coming than we realize.

    That’s the benign view.  The other view is that we’re being prepped for the Big Alien False Flag Attack.  Operation Northwoods Set In Space!  If that were the case, though, I would have expected the videos to be released with a bit more of an alarming context around them.  What we’ve seen so far is almost absurdly neutral, even ho-hum.

    As a wildcard, what if our friendly Alien visitors have informed our leaders that if the plague of mankind leaves the earth in large numbers, given how crazy we have proven to be, they’d have no choice but to drop an asteroid on our heads to nip this plague in the bud.  To mix a metaphor.

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  • Mon, Mar 12, 2018 - 11:44pm

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    RPSTemple

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    It is not only in America ....

    Here is the “front page” of the on line edition of last weekends  Sunday Times (part of Rupert Murdoch’s empire) in the UK.

    Articles linked to Russia in red, North Korea in fuschia.

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  • Tue, Mar 13, 2018 - 2:29am

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    thc0655

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    I'm waiting for this to be replayed for real on the MSM news

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  • Tue, Mar 13, 2018 - 4:15am

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    Rector

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    They're Real, But Not From Space

    In the context of this discussion it would be strange for anything to be “really out there”, but it can’t be helped.  The truth is far more disturbing than an alien invasion.  Most people will not see it – just as predicted.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+24&version=NIV

    Rector

     

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  • Tue, Mar 13, 2018 - 11:53am

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    dcm

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    The problem with flying aliens

    is that the last thing they want

    is to be taken to our leaders  🙂

     

     

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  • Tue, Mar 13, 2018 - 1:22pm

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    borderpatrol

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    My aliens are friendly

    Don’t know about you, but my aliens haven’t raised my taxes, didn’t care if I smoked pot, aren’t sharing my info with foreign  governments(that I’m aware of) and aren’t bombing foreign countries. Seems like a distraction or justification for our underfunded military. 

    Propaganda done by those with an agenda often have very deep pockets. Their plans are long term and often are measured in decades and not weeks or  months. 

    How often do we (those with the peak prosperity mindset) fund think tanks to promote policies in DC or state and local governments?  What organizations do we fund for long term goals for policies that think and care about average citizens and prepare for “the economy of less”. I don’t like being a “Debbie Downer” but when I examine past economic downtrends, what I see is continued organized abuse by our bureaucracy.

    I believe our best and first response to the dilemma is to expose it  and not  hide or ignore it.  When Austria surrendered early in WW1, they were subject unbelievable oppression by the state.  Here is a little snippet of what they faced, an organized government that looked out for themselves first.  

    https://archive.org/details/Blockade-TheDiaryOfAnAustrianMiddle-classWom

    Here is another video on how to promote the military, 

    The other thought that I have is how do we organize to protect us from the state? What has worked in the past and what is working in situations around the world that are happening right now?  

     

     

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  • Tue, Mar 13, 2018 - 1:35pm

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    sand_puppy

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    That which cannot be named

    I just had a chance to read the transcript of Chris’ interview with JHK and very much appreciated both of their insights.  I have always loved JHKs style and his perceptive reading of social trends including the Russian collusion thing. 

    But I also now understand what borderpatrol might have been referring too in his post above.

    There is a limit to the depth of insight when a topic which cannot be spoken of  is approached.

    1.  Who is this group that so wants a war with Russia?

    2.  What happened at the NYT where our brilliant liberal analysts and opinion leaders have become suddenly and mysteriously unable to think?

    Jim Kunstler: I think what is really going on, what’s sort of behind the insanity of this, is the very strange and mysterious collapse of the intellectual class in America. Now, you’ve got a class of people in the media and academia, highly educated people, the permanent bureaucracy in the government who now believe in crazy things and are proposing dangerous things and seem to have just completely lost it. It does demonstrate something about the madness of crowds. Some things, in a way, are beyond the rational reach of analysis. You know, you’re just in kind of unchartered territory of group herd emotion whether it’s wildebeests or lemmings or people on the upper east side of Manhattan setting their hair on fire.

    I think the real question you have to ask is what happens to a society when the thinking class can’t think anymore? …. 

    What kind of strange condition might make the intellectual class in America become unable to think clearly?  A prion disease?  Mad Cow?  Fluoride?  Lead?

    3.  And then:

    The New York Times did another amazing thing about ten days ago. They published a lead editorial by David Leonard, and the headline of the editorial was an interrogatory which went as follows: Still Don’t Believe in Russian Meddling? Okay. Now, the curious thing was this was the only editorial on the op-ed page that day that didn’t have a comment section. Okay. So they pose the interrogatory, and then they really don’t want to hear any answers about it.

    Could that be deliberate?  Is this a Psy-Op?

    —————–

    Dropping back to the philosophical level for a moment.

    Upton Sinclair gave us the gem:

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding.”

    Lawrence Kohlberg gave us the insight that our moral values are arranged in hierarchies.  Sinclair is pointing out that earning a paycheck will sometimes be a higher moral imperative than understanding a topic.  

    Similarly, I would be willing to lie, cheat and steal in order to defend my family–i.e. the defense of family is a higher moral imperative than honesty and respecting property rights.  I am not being immoral, just prioritizing protection of “my people” higher than other values.  And I might do this unconsciously.

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  • Tue, Mar 13, 2018 - 1:49pm

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    Big tents

    I think a good reason to filter is when someone 1) has a seductive message, and, 2) have been shown to be wrong on prior predictions.

    JK’s “Long Emergency” was peened back in 2005. But long-time readers of JK know his Malthusian approach goes back longer that that. I confess I find his writing fascinating. But if one had read him back in the day and invested accordingly? He hasn’t done well at all…because, er, he’s been wildly wrong. So it’s merely prudence to judge a man by results, and shrink the tent accordingly.

    For the record, I enjoy reading JK; one hell of a writer and probing social critic. But as an investor, student of population demographics, or a practical man of the world as it is today? He ain’t. I adjust my tent accordingly…

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  • Tue, Mar 13, 2018 - 2:47pm

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    The military pulls the UFO

    The military pulls the UFO threat off the shelf when their budgets are at risk. My own sense, based on personal experience and the experience of those close to me is this…the beings with the most impact in our world do it through persuasion and influence and their methods are stealthy.

     

     They are masters in the mental realm — with advanced understanding of hypnotic suggestion. And beyond that they may be able to  immerse themselves mentally in our own collective unconscious–and from a distance.  They may have technologies that influence our thinking through manipulating the collective unconscious.  

    An actual invasion though?  Doubtful.  That would be messy and not at all subtle.  Why invade when you can accomplish your goals through infection? Is the technocratic globalism that wears down our humanity part of a larger programme? Are some of these life forms silicon based and are they trying to extend their reach?

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  • Tue, Mar 13, 2018 - 3:12pm

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    Sand Puppy,Most psy-ops use

    Sand Puppy,

    Most psy-ops use the raw material of an individual or group’s natural bent to work their magic. The controllers take sentiments already there and guide them a certain way.  

    Identity politics has likely been fashioned the same way and to my mind, has become so ridiculous a backlash is gauranteed.  I agree with what Jordan Peterson and Kunstler have to say about it but think that there is a control system at work here too.

    In the case of identity politics I suspect military intelligence that helped usher Trump in to power could be assisting.  

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  • Tue, Mar 13, 2018 - 3:43pm

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    Uncletommy

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    I've always been concerned on how Aliens are. . .

    portrayed in the MSM:

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  • Tue, Mar 13, 2018 - 8:13pm

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    Worse than Ferengi

    I think the real question you have to ask is what happens to a society when the thinking class can’t think anymore? …

     

    Just perhaps, it was the “thinking” class that got us into this predicament.  Ah, like those economists with advanced degrees.  And all those highly educated folks that are CEO’s of large corporations that are more interested in profit than people, the environment or society, and the brainiacs at the Fed.  The problem isn’t that the thinking class isn’t thinking it’s that morality, honor and integrity have been replaced with the persuit if profit.  Geez there must be a virus that’s turning people into Ferengi’s.

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  • Tue, Mar 13, 2018 - 10:19pm

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    Time2help

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    Yep. Even Ferengi have limits...

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  • Wed, Mar 14, 2018 - 6:37am

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    Dark Matter and Dark Energy Make Up 95% of the Universe?

    Pipyman wrote:

    JHC frustrates me in this area too, but the “conspiracy under every stone” crowd frustrates me even more.

    Just like with conspiracy theories, it’s quite annoying that dark matter and dark energy have to be postulated to explain the universe.  But, the need for dark matter and dark energy to make up 95% of the universe in order to make our theroies match what we see through telescopes is profoundly annoying… like conspiracies under every stone.

    It leaves you wondering how far you have progressed from the belief that the Earth is flat and at the center of the universe.

    Perhaps it really is “turtles all the way down.”

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  • Wed, Mar 14, 2018 - 8:21am

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    Ditch MSM, Try Jimmy Dore

    MSM has been co-opted by corporations and the ruling elite.  Jimmy Dore is a great source of info and will truly enlighten you.

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  • Wed, Mar 14, 2018 - 9:16am

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    Excellent

    Metaphor and largely highlights the slow death of trust in our “system” and the disparity between what we see, feel and “know” to be the case and what is presented to us as reality and normality on a daily basis.

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  • Wed, Mar 14, 2018 - 8:44pm

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    Conspiracies? You Bet!

    Pippyman wrote – JHC frustrates me in this area too, but the “conspiracy under every stone” crowd frustrates me even more.

    Not me, conspiracies are so very much more interesting!  And really, since the dawn of man the rich and powerful have conspired to keep, even increase their wealth and power.  That’s not a theory that’s a fact.  Just step on over to literature, history or Hollywood and visit a plethora of material that supports my assertion.  Asking questions and investigating everything is the only way to learn and to know what’s going on. Believe no one and verify everything.  The world we know doesn’t always exist except in our minds.

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  • Thu, Mar 15, 2018 - 3:10pm

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    Howd the short work out

    JHC shorted mkt early last year, so he said in PP intvw at the time.

    howd that work? Jes ribbin. #metoo for doom & gloom money losers. I even lost my job! Nobody wanted to even think about long run returns. Skinner pigeons hitting pellets that fell from QE infinity — cfa, mba, frm, phd, Qed, all pimping the money pump.  But i was the loser because i tried to think clearly in the manner of an erudite fellow and historian of crowd psychology. Silly me. Now Im half dead and unemployed. 

    JHK is rite on lotta things cultural, but god forbid you put money down on it. Dont even! Just dont. 

    Funny ufo thread. Its stranger than you can suppose — unless you really know what leprachauns are.

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  • Thu, Mar 15, 2018 - 7:21pm

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    conspiracy

    I happened across this “new to me” conspiracy on You Tube today. Your thoughts? Mary Maxwell The Tsarnaev Trial.

    youtube.com/watch?v=9LXCFp42ERs

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  • Fri, Mar 16, 2018 - 7:22am

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    Jim Kunstler Nails it...again.

    This piece was so completely in line with my thinking that it was difficult to find a snippet to use:

    Drums Along the Potomac

    The amateur psychologist in me suspects that the more the USA heaps Russia with censorious opprobrium and punishments, the closer this floundering polity actually is to completely losing its shit. Friday morning’s front-page headline in The New York Times appears to have been written by Pee Wee Herman:

     

    I can just hear Vlad Putin blowing a raspberry out of the Kremlin: “Nyah, nyah, nyah… I know you are, but what am I…?” We’re also informed today by that august journal that U.S. Accuses Russia in Cyberattacks on Power Plants. (Oh, wait a second, they changed the headline at 8:02 to Russia Wormed Its Way Into Access at Power Plants, U.S. Says.) Hmmmm… well, the amateur detective in me suspects that A) this is exactly the kind of bullshit that US intel excels at making up; plus B) the public was actually told last year that our intel has the ability to place any kind of cyber-footprint and time-stamp it wants on digital information, so that C) this assertion can be neither proved nor disproved.

    The amateur international relations analyst in me sees in these shenanigans a desperate search for a casus belli, an excuse to go to war. But that only brings me back to amateur psychology: the US apparently wants to commit suicide. Wouldn’t war be a great idea a week after Russia announced it had new hypersonic missiles that the US can’t defend itself against?  Hmmmm. Maybe the Russians made that shit up. And maybe they didn’t. Perhaps we’d like to test that, say, by bombing a bunch of Russian military personnel in Syria, just to see what happens.

    There is also the matter of the poisoning in Salisbury, UK, of the Russian Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia with a suspected nerve toxin, Novichok, first developed by the old Soviet military. The two remain in critical condition. A nasty bit of business. Skripal was a Russian-to-British double agent who was exchanged some years back in one of the infrequent swaps of captured intel “assets” by the so-called great powers. British Prime Minister Theresa May had a whack attack over the Skripal hit, reeling out new sanctions and booting a boat-load of Russian diplomats off-island.

    Forgive me for seeming callous, but it’s a little hard, in the first place, to give a fuck one way or the other about the poor Skripals. Being a double agent carries some serious occupational hazards. This is generally understood among observers older than age six. Mr. Skripal came to an unhappy fate, and his daughter is apparently what we like to call collateral damage — of the sort, say, when one of our drones in a foreign land blows up a wedding party by some targeting error. Whoops! Our bad. One lesson here is that people with ambitions in the intel sector should consider sticking with one side or the other.

    Interestingly, and secondarily, the accusation itself is unaccompanied by evidence. The Brits will not release samples of this Novichok for analysis. But are we also to believe that the Brits (or one of their close allies, say) could not concoct a bit of this poison themselves in a lab? After all, when you’re in the world of double-agentry, you’re in a hall of mirrors, and who, really, is to be trusted? Least of all in a matter such as this, would you start banging war drums.

    Well, that was practically the whole piece.  I highly recommend staying current with Jim’s writing as we march towards war…

    Ugh.

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  • Fri, Mar 16, 2018 - 10:39am

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    War with Russia come from the Jewish Elite

    Violating multiple social rules of what is appropriate to discuss in public, I will speak of the unspeakable and, unfortunately, be regarded as “inappropriate” and possibly distressing by some for several different reasons.  Sigh.  And when I speak of the Jewish Elite, I am not referring to my Jewish friends, family and co-workers who do not share these values or intentions or even know that this is all happening.

    Several lines of reading point to the thesis that

    Today’s lust for war with Russia has its origins in Jewish history and is being waged primarily by the Western Jewish elite.

     

    Sources: 

    Slezkine’s “The Jewish Century”

    Kevin MacDonalds review of Slezkine’s book

    Guyenot’s books “From Yaywah to Zion,” “50 Years of the Deep State”

    Alexander Solzhenitsyn, novelist

    Stephen F. Cohen, Professor of Russian History, many posts at “The Nation”

     

    The Jewish elite and Russia have a long dark history

    From Guyenot:

    …. On April 16, 1917, to get Russia out of WWI, the Germans sent back home thirty-two exiled Bolsheviks including Lenin, soon joined by two hundred Mensheviks, and financed their propaganda organ, Pravda, in exchange for their promise to withdraw [Russia] from the war if they successfully seized power. A year later, they signed with Leon Trotsky (Bronstein by his real name) the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, which ended the Eastern Front of WWI.

    Thus, while the English were bringing America into war by supporting a Jewish movement (Zionism), the Germans managed to get Russia out of the war by supporting another Jewish movement (Bolshevism). Robert Wilton, the Times correspondent in Russia until 1920, writes in The Last Days of the Romanovs: “The Germans knew what they were doing when they sent Lenin’s pack of Jews into Russia. They chose them as agents of destruction. Why? Because the Jews were not Russians and to them the destruction of Russia was all in the way of business, revolutionary or financial. The whole record of Bolshevism in Russia is indelibly impressed with the stamp of alien invasion.” The Bolshevik regime was predominantly Jewish from its inception.

    The Central Committee of the USSR, which exercised supreme power, consisted of nine Jews and three Russians (Lenin was counted among the Russians, although his maternal grandfather, born Srul [Israel], was Jewish).

    Among the names of 556 high officials of the Bolshevik state (officially published in 1918– 1919), 458 of the 556 were identifiable as Jews, according to Robert Wilton.  Guyénot, (KL 3799).

     

    And from Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), Russian Nobel-Prize-winning novelist.

    “You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the “Russian Revolution.” It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.”

    Guyenot offers some historical backstory.  

    Russia and the Jews

    Before analyzing the impact of Zionism and communism in Europe during what Yuri Slezkine calls “The Jewish Century,” we need to look back at the history of the Jews of Eastern Europe. From the sixteenth to twentieth centuries, the Jewish community in Poland was the largest in the world. Its origin remains difficult to explain, but immigration from the Rhine countries at the end of the Middle Ages is the most plausible hypothesis. In the seventeenth century, Poland was governed by an oligarchy that concentrated all the wealth in its hands, and relied on the Jews for the exploitation of the peasants. Totally unassimilated, speaking Yiddish and hardly any Polish, … Jews were also important players in the national economy. They were the landowners’ (KL 3896) administrators and tax collectors. As legal middlemen in the grain trade, they manipulated prices at will.

    Their complicity in the oppression of the peasant masses by the nobility inevitably generated resentments that were expressed in explosions of violence. When the Cossacks led by Bogdan Chmielnicki revolted against the Polish nobles in 1648, the Jews were the first to be massacred. 274 After the annexation of part of Poland by Russia between 1772 and 1795, these Ashkenazi Jews lived mainly in Russia, [restricted to a region called the] “Pale of Settlement.”

    At the beginning of the nineteenth century, most Jews still spoke neither Polish nor Russian.

    Tsar Alexander II (1855– 1881), who emancipated the serfs in 1861, also abolished most of the restrictions imposed on the Jews and facilitated their access to Russian education. Between 1876 and 1883, the proportion of Jews in the universities increased considerably. Emancipated an educated, many young Jewish intellectuals became revolutionaries.

    The revolutionaries included all of the underclass, but the Jews took the lead.

    Winston Churchill wrote in a famous article in the Illustrated Sunday Herald published February 8, 1920:

     

    “There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others.”

     

    On the other side, the official gazette of Hungarian Jewry Egyenlöség (Equality) proclaimed:

    “Jewish intellect and knowledge, Jewish courage and love of peace saved Russia and perhaps the whole world. Never has world historical mission of Jewry shone so brightly as in Russia.”

    The September 10, 1920 edition of The American Hebrew magazine pompously bragged:

    “The Bolshevik Revolution eliminated the most brutal dictatorship in history. This great achievement, destined to figure in history as one of the overshadowing results of the World War, was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct.” 282 Jewish financing” should be added to the list, for the Bolshevik Revolution was largely financed by Wall Street bankers such as Jacob Schiff, who gloated: “The Russian revolution is possibly the most important event in Jewish history since the race was brought out of slavery.” 283  (KL 3923)

    Despite the many Russian pseudonyms adopted by the officers of the Bolshevik system, Russians were well aware that they had been conquered by a foreign people. A 1926 Agitprop report to the Central Committee secretariat expresses concern about a wave of anti-Semitism resulting from
     “the sense that the Soviet regime patronizes the Jews, that it is ‘the Jewish government,’ that the Jews cause unemployment, housing shortages, college admissions problems, price rises, and commercial speculation— this sense is instilled in the workers by all the hostile elements.”  (KL 3946) 

    Stalin’s Secret Police were predominantly Jewish.  When you read about Stalin’s genocides rarely mentioned is the aspect that they were actually carried out by his Jewish secret police force.

    “the Soviet secret police— the regime’s sacred center, known after 1934 as the NKVD— was one of the most Jewish of all Soviet institutions. […] Out of twenty NKVD directorates, twelve (60 percent, including State Security, Police, Labor Camps, and Resettlement [deportation]) were headed by officers who identified themselves as ethnic Jews. The most exclusive and sensitive of all NKVD agencies, the Main Directorate for State Security, consisted of ten departments: seven of the ten […] were run by immigrants from the former Pale of Settlement.” [i.e.—were Jewish].

    Robert Wilton, a Moscow correspondent for the London Times for seventeen years, provided precise indications as to the proportion of Jews among Bolshevik apparatchiks as early as 1920.

    The Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party, which exercised supreme power, included 9 Jews and 3 Russians. (Lenin was counted among the Russians, although his maternal grandfather, born Srul [Israel], was Jewish).

    All the Central Committees of the parties represented included 41 identifiable Jews out of 61 members.

    The Council of People’s Commissars comprised 17 Jews out of 22 members.

    Among the high officials of the Bolshevik State [whose names were] officially published in 1918– 1919, 458 of the 556 were identifiable as Jews.

    One of the first measures taken by the Bolsheviks after seizing power was a law criminalizing anti-Semitism  [sound familiar!!!!].

    It is often forgotten that in 1933, when Hitler came to power, the Soviets had just committed genocidal massacres followed by organized famine in Ukraine, at the gates of Germany, killing nearly eight million people, or one-third of the population of the Ukraine.  This crime against humanity, carried out by a predominantly Jewish NKVD, would never be mentioned in the Nuremberg trials, and still today is hardly ever discussed.   In fact, the Jewish connection is actively suppressed.

    When in 2009, Ukraine opened a tribunal to prosecute the crime of the Holodomor, [https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor ], Aleksandr Feldman, the chairman of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, forced the cancellation of the proceedings on the pretext that it would constitute an incitement to hatred, since the names of almost all the Soviet officers charged were Jewish.  291 (KL 3987)

    The Russian Jews of the NKVD were, in Slezkine`s words, “Stalin’s willing executioners.”

    ————-

    Privatization of the USSR state properties under Yeltsin the 1990s: Another triumph of the Jewish elite.

    Space and time limit the breadth of this topics review.   But another powerful connection between Russia and the western Jewish Elite occurred with the privatization of the Russian state property under Yeltsin in the 1990s.  Yeltsin’s Jewish Privatization Minister, Anatoly Chubais, brought in a number of the Jewish elite as consultants from Goldman Sachs to design the scheme: Jeffrey Sachs, Lawrence Summers and Peter Orszag.

    As the State assets were sold off, Jewish Russians who could obtain financing from international Jewish financiers, were able to purchase a high percentage of the state assets.  The result was that six of the seven resulting “Russian oligarchs” were Jewish.

     

    Six of the seven oligarchs who emerged in control of the Soviet economy and media in the period of de-nationalization of the 1990s were Jews.

     

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  • Sat, Mar 17, 2018 - 3:31pm

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    What I don't understand is,

    What I don’t understand is, if both Russia and the West are controlled by Jewish elites, then why all this antagonism towards Putin with the threat of war? Is it pure theatrics? And why would Russia be buying all this gold? If it’s all controlled by the same elites then the gold could be sent wherever it is needed and the west wouldn’t have a gold shortage.

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  • Sun, Mar 18, 2018 - 8:07am

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    Hatred of Russia

    The hatred of Russia/ War with Russia issue, in my view, stems from the fact that Russia is selling energy outside of the US dollar, and they frustrated the regime change efforts in Syria, which are all about pipelines that are again clearly linked to US dollar hegemony

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  • Sun, Mar 18, 2018 - 8:08am

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    Hatred of Russia

    The hatred of Russia/ War with Russia issue, in my view, stems from the fact that Russia is selling energy outside of the US dollar, and they frustrated the regime change efforts in Syria, which are all about pipelines that are again clearly linked to US dollar hegemony

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  • Sun, Mar 18, 2018 - 9:26am

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    True Facts Don't Add-up To The Truth

    That’s what they say about the Han in China.

    Too bad Mr K is still so color blind in his historical perspective on Amercian economics and it’s discontents. “Political correctness” no less. Biology has may answers, as does math. But Novels are easier.

    “…The last word on networks and hierarchies may belong to a figure not usually remembered for his intellectual acumen. Toward the end of his life, it has been reported, Stanley Baldwin (1867-1947)–former Conservative British prome minister, astute political operator, and pig breeder–was asked whether he had been influenced by any thinker or book. After a long pause, he replied,”Sir Henry Maine.” In his once-celebrated book Ancient Law (1861), Baldwin continued, the eminent Victorian jurist showed that history was a process of progressive development in which societes governed by status were gradually replaced by ones based on contract. Then Baldwin paused again, seemingly puzzled, and asked: “Or was it the other way around?” –John Gray reviewing “The Square and the Tower”; Niell Ferguson in the NYRB

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  • Sun, Mar 18, 2018 - 9:04pm

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