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I want to preface this video by saying that I will interview anybody about anything.  If you value learning, as I do, then you know that you have to consider all sides of every issue.  It’s non-negotiable.  If you’re serious about learning, then you are serious about listening especially to people with whom you do not entirely or even remotely agree.   

Those who insist on not being exposed to different or uncomfortable ideas are shortchanging themselves. Learning something new is always an uncomfortable process.  In fact, being uncomfortable often is my first clue that I am on the right track for learning something new or sharpening up something I didn’t know quite as well as I thought I did.

One final point; I do not consider it my role as an interviewer to convert someone to my point of view or let them know I think they are wrong about something.  Quite the opposite, my job is to get them to speak as completely and as freely as I can.  I always seek to ask great questions to draw people out more fully, not to put them on the defensive.  That’s how I roll, and if that works for you – great!  You’ll enjoy my work and this channel.

David Icke, one of the most controversial personalities of our time, has become a central figure in the UK Freedom Movement protesting ongoing lockdowns and the otherwise general medical tyranny following COVID-19’s emergence in 2020. Icke argues that the extreme overreaction by governments that we’re witnessing around the globe in reaction to COVID-19 (see Australia, New Zealand, UK, Canada, etc.) has little or nothing to do with public health, but is rather a well coordinated plan to clinch control and transform society as we know it.  In this Brave New World of frightening technocratic dictatorship, what it means to be “human” and have “rights” no longer applies. 

So why this interview at this time?  Because I talk with people all day long – very smart people – and we ask ourselves “what’s happening…what’s even going on?”  None of us really know.  We turn the possibilities this way and that way.  We weigh possibilities.  We ask, “who predicted any of this?”  And that’s when David Icke’s name shows up frequently.  He foresaw many of the features that we now struggle with – Big Tech power and overreach, centralization of power and control, the loss of border and cultural boundaries as billionaire globalists push their agenda.

Well, when someone gets a lot of things right, it behooves us to ask them how they did that and to explore their methods and ideas.  

So, in the spirit of being open-minded, we bring you David Icke…

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Chris Martenson:     Welcome, everyone, to this Peak Prosperity podcast. I am your host, Dr. Chris Martenson. Our method, my method, is to explore widely and to find guests who are willing to stand alone against the consensus and share their life’s experiences with us.

Today, we're going to stretch that boundary for many people, but not for me. I rather enjoy speaking with people whose theories and orientations are exceptionally different from mine. Can I keep an open mind? Will I be open to changes my views? As a reminder, nobody should ever have to agree with a hundred percent of someone else’s positions to learn something from them.

Now, let’s be clear about something. it’s perfectly obvious that the response of nearly the entire Western world to Covid has not been about public health or setting our resources against finding the best medical solutions. Instead, we’ve seen the public health authorities and their big tech enablers shut down legitimate inquiry into everything from the lab leak hypothesis to effective off patent medicines that also happen to be safe. So none of that was about public health. That’s obvious.

But what was it about? Clearly, we’ve seen in UK, Canada, and Australia, and the US a little bit, that it’s largely been about imposing medical tyranny and a bio-police state. That too is obvious.

So what is the agenda exactly? Here we must suppose, guess, and therefore run the risk of connecting dots into patterns that don’t really exist, but that’s a risk we must take because we haven’t any better options.

Today’s guest has been invited because he was saying that we’d see the emergence of a bio-security police state, a push for transhumanism, and the loss of freedom and imposition of digital tyranny since well before Covid came onto the scene.

Our guest today is David Icke, a controversial figure, to be sure, but one whose voice cannot simply be ignored because the BBC says so or YouTube has taken his channel down. Today, those are often signs that someone is actually someone you perhaps ought to get to know more of your attention to than not.

David Icke is a former footballer and sports broadcaster and is often described as an English conspiracy theorist. He’s also written over 20 books on everything from environmentalism in It Doesn’t Have to Be Like This to , and Human Race, Get Off Your Knees to his most recent autobiography, Perceptions of a Renegade Mind that came out in 2021. He’s also been featured in several movies including Zeitgeist in 2007 and recently Renegade. It’s fair to say he’s influenced millions of people.

David, welcome to the program.

David Icke:   Thanks very much.

Chris Martenson:    So let’s start here. Our rights seem to be getting taken away almost of if they were mere privileges in  much of the West, and so I mentioned three sort of monarchy states: Australia, the UK, Canada. What is going on here?

David Icke:    Well, you know, you can see the world as a series of random events, as a series of dots, and it looks a certain way. It looks very bewildering. It seems to make no sense. Why are they doing this? Why are they saying that? Why are they telling us to do this when quite clearly it makes no medical or scientific sense?

And I have a phrase, know the outcome and you’ll see the journey. And if you know what the outcome is planned to be, then these random events, these things that just happen, become very clear stepping stones to the outcome.

And it’s a long time ago now, I mean, the best part of 30 years, that I uncovered what the outcome is planned to be, and I’ve added more and more to that as the years have passed. But once you get a grasp of what the outcome is planned to be, then daily events are like putting pieces in a puzzle. They make total sense.

All the stuff that’s happening now, it makes total sense of where the outcome is planned to go. And that is to create a centralized global tyranny in the end unelected – none of that seems to matter anyway – but technocrats, bureaucrats, and scientists, engineers, making decisions that are dictating the fine detail of people’s lives without any public involvement at all. You look at the Covid era, that’s exactly what’s happened.

And so it’s a very simple process. If there's a few of you, and they're compared with the global population, we're talking about a network that’s a very few people. I mean, at the core of the core you get them into a single room globally, then you’ve got to centralize power. Because at every stage you centralize power fewer people are dictating to more and more people, and this goes back a very long time.

You know, once I realized this was happening, this agenda was being followed, I asked the obvious question, where did it start? And you can go back to the ancient world and pick it up. You pick it up in places like Babylon, Sumer, Egypt, coming through to the Roman Empire, coming through to the British Empire, whatever this I call global cult put its flag in the sand, headquartered itself, an empire followed. The Roman Empire, the British Empire, the European Empires in general.

And so the whole process, if you look at it, has been a constant centralization of power which has got faster and faster the closer we got to present time. And there's a reason for that too. Because the more  you centralize power, the more power you have at the center to centralize even quicker, so the momentum gets faster and faster, exactly what’s happened.

So we started off in tribes and the people in the tribe decided what was going to happen in the tribe. Then lots of tribes are brought together in what we call nations, and now a few people at the center of the nation are dictating to all the former tribes that form that nation.

And then, in Europe, we’ve got this European Union, which is bringing all the countries together, so now a tiny few people at the center of European  Union are dictating to all the countries of Europe. And this stepping stone is designed to end up with a world government, a world central bank dictating all finance, and overseeing it. I’ve been saying this since 1992 that the plan is to get rid of all cash and have a single, digital, electronic currency, and this is massively being advanced by the Covid era where they said you can get the virus off of money. They said that very early on to advance this side of the agenda.

Like I say, once you know what the different elements of the agenda are, you can see how they all fit and how one situation, like the Covid era, can be used to push all these different elements at what is the same agenda.

And so, you have this situation where we're moving to more and more centralization of power on a global level, faster and faster and faster. And what we call globalization – we even give it a name in the end, globalization, the centralization of power incessantly in every area of our lives is this cults power base advancing itself and advancing itself and advancing itself.

And we’ve reached a point now here now in the Covid era where you’ve got basically the World Health Organization since all this begam dictating the narrative and the response to basically the rest of the world. And if you look at these different countries and how they’ve responded, there's one or two exceptions, one or two, they're starting to be reeled in. but you look at how these different countries have responded, and it’s the same.

You know, these Covid passports, which are nothing more than the social credit system of China being played out across the world, you can chart the preparation for those back before Covid even was mentioned. The European Union, you go back 2018, they were bringing forward the advancing of this process towards a vaccine passport.

So in China, you have a system which has been systematically incubated, because this cult has no borders as for public consumption, it’s incubated a system which has always been designed to play out across the world. A system that’s based on technology, that’s based on 24/7 total surveillance and control where if you go out into the street – I’ve seen documentaries where they’ve done it – you can be found in a couple of minutes sometimes by this technology. And this constant monitoring of your life means that they can see whether you're doing what the government wants or whether you're not.

And so they introduce this social credit system whereby you get credits if you live your life and act like the government wants, and you get them taken away if you don’t. And if you get them taken away you can’t fly, you can’t go on the train, you can’t do the normal things in life.

Now, play out the vaccine passports and what do they say? If you don’t have one of these things, if you don’t do what we say and have these fake vaccinations that don’t fill the criteria of a vaccination, then you won’t be able to do the normal things of life. It’s just the Chinese system playing out, and it’s been planned a very, very long time.

See, just very quickly. We have two worlds. We have the world of the population, and that is given as best as it can be monitored and controlled, that’s given a limited amount of information about everything because through the education system it’s a programming system. And all they went through the mainstream media and now the Silicon Valley giants, we’ve seen it very clearly in the Covid era, there is a wall on information. They don’t want the population to be informed.

And over on this other world, the world of the cult, which is a global network of secret societies and semi-secret groups with an interlocking leadership and mission control, they are hoarding knowledge. That’s why the secret society is a secret. Why are they secret? To keep that knowledge from the population.

So there's a completely different timeline in understanding of technology, understanding of reality and how it works in the realm of the cult, and I'm talking the inner cores of it, not everybody who’s in a secret society, and it’s kept from the population.

And where I'm going with this is if you can tap in to this other world and uncover the information and agendas that are held there, then you can predict the future as I have many, many times. But I’ve not predicted the future, you see. What I’ve done is said, this is the future if nothing intervenes to stop it because this is what this cult is planning for the world.

And because nothing has intervened yet to stop it, we're working on it, that future has unfolded. And people say, oh, I could predict the future. No. I predicted the agenda that was meant to become our future and has become our future.

So then you look back at people who have been extraordinarily prophetic like Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, 1932, where he was talking about the species being procreated, not in the way that we have up until this point, but technologically, and now the technology is unfolding which he described in 1932.

Then you’ve got George Orwell in 1948 when he published 1984, and he was describing technology that was not around at that time. The telescreens and all these things which we now call Smart TVs, and they're meant to become more and more like telescreens as they advance.

I quoted a guy who Dr. Richard Day, who was a big Rockefeller insider connected to Planned Parenthood, and he addressed pediatricians in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in 1969 and shocked them all – no one knows why he did it, but I'm glad he did for reasons that are obvious – and he aksed people not to take notes and turn off any recording equipment because he was going to tell them how the world was going to change. And he told them.

In one of my books called Phantom Self, I cover what he says at length. It’s extraordinary. He’s describing the fine detail in 1969 which he’s only 20 years after Orwell of what’s happened since right up to present day.

So there is this agenda that’s playing out in this other world, and it’s meant to be kept from the population in the world that we call the human society, and it’s for the constant centralization of power until its in the hands of, globally, of a tiny few people. It’s to connect the human brain to artificial intelligence, so artificial intelligence becomes the human mind. You don’t have to manipulate perception anymore by controlling information; your perception is going to come direct. And a stream of other things that I lay out in the books, and we could get into them as we go along if you like but are unfolding now.

And so it’s not a random situation that we're facing here; it’s coldly calculated. And because of that, and I’ve used this phrase many times over the years, this is why the cult system doesn’t take no for an answer. If it’s one of its agendas that has to happen for this thing to play out to its conclusion, its end game, then nothing’s going to stop it happening. Not exposing the nonsense of it, not exposing how ridiculous and unsupportable by the evidence and science it is. It’s going to happen.

And so you see why this unceasing pressure continues daily for people to get fake vaccinated when there's no need for them to do that when the vaccine doesn’t even claim to stop transmission and stop you catching it. And it’s going down now into children where even if you believe the official story of Covid – I blood don’t – then the chances of then being affected by it are basically zilch but they’ve got to have them.

We got Pfizer now saying that in November they're going to be looking for approval to give this stuff to babies as young as six months. This is insanity. But it’s the agenda, so they don’t take no for an answer.

Chris Martenson:     So this outcome, and I agree with the idea that if you know the outcome you can predict the journey. I'm called a futurist. I'm not a futurist. You know what I do? I say if a baseball it throw I can tell you where it’s going to land unless something intervenes, right. Unless a bird hits it midflight, we're pretty sure we know where that thing is going.

And so one of the things that I’d like to get your view on this – a lot of ways we can look at this. So one orientation I look at is Admiral Hyman Rickover gave this speech to a group of doctors in 1957 – he’s the father of the nuclear sub – arguably a very, very intelligent man – and he said, hey, we can  predict how this is going to go. Humans are going to eat into this tasty stuff called oil; we're going to expand our population; we're not going to have a real plan for how we're going to get past that at that point in time, and it’s going to be a real nightmare of a problem when we get there.

Everything he said in 1957 has played out almost perfectly. And so I do think that when you look at the Davos crowd, they say within their opening paragraph, by 2050 the world’s going to need three planets of resources, and we don’t have them.

So my orientation, looking at this from a resource standpoint, by the way, I can rotate this cube and see other faces, but when I look at that it feels like the outcome here is that somebody up high has realized for a long time that humans are going to go through the oldest organismal problem in biology which is we eat into and past our food supply – oil in this case – and then we suffer some consequences after that. You think there's any basis to that? Is this about resources, or what is this about? What is this…

David Icke:      No, no, no, this is about control. It’s about control.

Chris Martenson:    But why?

David Icke:   Well, you say why, but why do psychopaths do what they do? Explain. Why do psychopaths do what they do? They do what they do because they're psychopaths. That’s the reason the do it.

And, you know, if there's a resource problem, like a food problem, why are they paying American farmers now subsidies to destroy their crops in the field before they turn them into food?

Chris Martenson:     I’ve been wondering.

David Icke:     And not given ______ [00:18:44] if they turn them into food. That’s ridiculous. That’s manufacturing a food shortage. What’s all that about? It’s about creating a food shortage because its very simple. Dependency equals control. If I have something that you need, I have control of something that you need to survive, then you're going to do what I'm asking and what I'm saying, what I'm telling you because you want to survive. That’s what it’s about, controlling the need of survival so that people become dependent on you and thus under your control.

Now let’s look at the Covid era on that point. I’ve been making this point now since the thing started. Lockdowns are nothing to do with health. Nothing. Never were. They are designed to destroy independent business and independent livelihood the world over so that there is a dependency on the state, i.e. the cult, for survival.

And so way back in my books, way back, I said the plan is to create a situation where people have no means to earn a living, and independent living, and one of the big elements of that is the takeover of AI, artificial intelligence, taking over what jobs they use them for.

And then I said what they plan to do is introduce what they're calling a basic income, it would be a pittance, and you get the basic income to overcome the fact you can’t earn a living anymore. But that basic income will only be paid, pittance as it is, if you do as your told, otherwise you won’t get it. I mean, hello, vaccine passports?

And we had a precursor of this in Australia over a few years now whereby if you're on state benefits and you do not agree to have your children vaccinated according to the official schedule, then you lose benefits. This is what it’s all about. It’s about control.

So what I’ve been saying for – and this will put the Covid era into perspective – what I’ve been saying for decades is that the plan is to create a global society which after The Hunger Games movies games came out, I called The Hunger Games society because what they portrayed with a tiny elite of super wealthy and super privileged overseeing a poverty stricken population. That is – and by the way broken up into sectors so they couldn’t communicate with each other – to create a united response.

The Hunger Games society structure is where this is going, is where this is going so fast now. So the idea is that you have a tiny elite at the top of the pyramid. We even refer to this now as the one percent – actually, it’s less than one percent if you get to the core of the core – and they would impose their will upon the rest of the population that is in a state of dependency for survival on that view. And in between the two, I’ve said for decades, is planned to be a police military state, a fusion of the two eventually, to both impose the will of the few on the population and to stop the population of challenging the few.

Now, to create that point of dependency of the population, or great chunks of it on the few, you have to destroy the ability of the few, of the many, rather, to have an independent income. Because once they’ve got an independent business or they got employment at an independent business, then they have some form of freedom, some form of independence. They're not dependent on the few – they're doing okay, thank you very much, by themselves.

 

So you need to take that ability to generate that livelihood away, so the only form of survival is dependency on the few. That’s what lockdowns have been about. That why they’ve made no sense from a health point of view. They’ve created enormous amounts of ill health and psychological ill health.

But what they’ve done is destroyed the ability already of vast amounts of people to earn a living. Their businesses have gone. I know people. I have family who have spent 45 years building businesses up to see them brought to their knees by this lockdown.

You see, this is the point. Know the outcome and you’ll see the journey. When you know this is the outcome, the plan, this is what it’s all about, then you look around the world and there's still – there's nothing like as many as there were, nothing like – but there's still a lot of independent people, independent business. So what does that tell you? That tells you that more lockdowns are coming, and they're going to make the excuses for them. They're going to lie, as they have from the start of this. They're going to frighten people to justify lockdowns because there's still a lot of businesses and independent incomes to destroy.

Chris Martenson:        You know, I’ve seen Justin Trudeau. He’s got this little troupe he does when he’s on the campaign trial right now. He says, if you're playing along, if you get your vaccine passport, you're being a good Canadian, you can go to a restaurant, a bar, a gym. He says those three words. He never says if you don’t get your vaccine passport we're going to shut down Walmart, McDonalds, Tim Hortons. It’s always a bar, a gym, or a restaurant meaning a smaller place.

So he’s targeting, specifically, he said the punishment will be meted out upon small and medium size businesses. It’s always targeted there. They never mention that they have to shut down a big business.

David Icke:      That’s exactly in accordance with what I’ve just said. And if you look at the Amazon’s and the big, big global corporations, which all in the end lock into this cult, the idea like people like Zuckerberg and Dorsey and Wachowski at You Tube and these characters at Google are actually in charge is ludicrous. Once you realize that there's this global web of secret societies and semi-secret groups that have spawned these corporation to dominate the areas that they operate in, then you realize that some guy like Zuckerberg is not going to be the one that’s behind it; the cults behind it.

Amazon’s a good example. They bring these – well, let me just go back one step, and let’s look at the internet. The internet was created on military technology. DARPA, the technological arm of the Pentagon claims credit for the foundation of the internet, and the plan was to create a situation where the internet was the central pillar of human society. Everything came from it.

But to reach that point, you had to have the free flow of information because if the internet was censored like it is now, it wouldn’t have caught on like it did. So freedom of expression, oh, yeah, that’s great. You can talk to people around the world, and free expression is great. But that was for building it up.

 

At the same time, they received funding, these corporations. So you had, for instance Amazon like I say, and they were able, like Uber, all these organizations, to go for a long, long, long time making big losses. But there's always funding for them. And when you’ve got limitless funding, and you're competing against other organizations that do not have limitless funding, then what you're going to do is  you're going to dominate the market more and more and more like Facebook. If there's opposition, well, we’ll just buy them.

 

And so to build up your Facebooks and your Twitters and your YouTubes and all these people, you had to do the same as they did with the internet. You had to have the free flow of information because if Facebook started out now with the censorship it has now, it never would have got what its become.

So you move forward to the point, in both cases, one, where the internet is the central pillar of human society, and it’s irreversible. And these mega corporations, seed-funded by the cult, have reached points of near monopoly where they can start playing the real agenda that was the agenda from the start.

So suddenly the free flow of information becomes faster and faster and now hysterical levels of censorship. Because the idea was to get all communicate onto the internet where it could be censored algorithmically, without even human input once the codes are written, to get the mainstream media as was before increasingly onto the internet and unravelling its ability to operate off the internet.

You look at the media now, the mainstream media what it was, and it’s struggling with advertising, with income, and the internet is becoming the center of everything. So now you’ve got these mega corporations operating through the internet, the forms of communication, your Twitters and your You Tubes and your Googles fixing their search engine and your Facebooks, and now they're in a position where they're going to decide what you can see and what you can’t see, which is what’s happening.

Then you’ve had, interestingly, Amazon started out doing what? Books. And it’s expanded into anything that moves now, but it’s created a near monopoly on the distribution of books, of the selling of books, and now you're starting to see what can be sold through Amazon and what can’t because that’s the plan as well.

Once you reach this monopoly – so many independent publishers have gone out of business because of Amazon – you reach this point where well, who else you going to go to? Right? No, no. So now we’ve got near monopoly power. Now we're going to start censoring books at the same time they're censoring everything else. So it’s been a fishing line out, and then a fishing line in. Pull them in with the free flow of information and then pull it back with increasingly hysterical censorship.

And I said years ago in the books, the plan is – I mean, how pathetic is this is the Covid era – and I'm talking way back that this was in the books – the plan is to create a situation in which no one will ever see anything that the system doesn’t want you to see or hear. And that’s why there's been this movement of communication almost in totality now onto the internet because then it can be controlled in terms of what you see and what you don’t see.

Chris Martenson:     Now, I want to turn this to what we can do about it. I articulate problems a lot, but I only care about solutions. So what I love in researching this finding out about all the things you said about how people are gaining control of this.

So one of their main tools, besides this ignorance that they're going to hoist upon us all by controlling what we see, is fear. This period right now, I know people who are so desperately terrified of Covid, of whatever – I saw a really cute little video that articulated it as a mass psychosis. And then a mass psychosis is something that can be instilled by leadership if they want to by pressing fear buttons, get people down to their fear centers, and then they're very much more easily controlled. You can give them ideas, all of that.

This looks to me – first A) would you agree that this is an episode of fear and control as one of their levers but B) once you recognize that, how do you life yourself from that?

David Icke:   Well, I don’t think looking for solutions is a good idea. I think looking for the cause of the problem is the wise thing to do because if you can identify the cause of a problem and you’ve removed the cause, the problem must disappear. You're not trying to find a way to overcome it, you're deleting it because you're deleting the cause.

And the cause of the few controlling the many throughout human history has been the acquiescence of the many to the few. Look at any point in human history, any culture, and you’ll see this process of the few controlling because the many they control give their power to the few.

Because, you see, authority has no power. It doesn’t. It has no power because there's not enough of them. You know, we're talking about getting on for eight billion people being manipulated and being directed along this road where the world’s being taken. And the number of people actually doing it – I say at the core of the core you get them into a single room, but let’s go further out, let’s include all the law enforcement, let’s include all the military, let’s include all the government administrators, and you're still looking at a tiny number of people compared with the population that’s being controlled.

And how this works is real simple. It a process of imposition and acquiescence right the way down the pyramid hierarchy that runs the world, runs countries. They all work in the same way. It’s like a hologram. They way this cult works is holographic. Every part of the whole works the same as the whole.

So you’ve got the global web manipulating on a global level, and then in each country you’ve got subsidiary webs answering to the global web whose job it is to impose the will of the global web upon their country of influence. And that’s why you can create a situation like the Covid response where virtually everyone’s responding in the same way. This is the process that the structure because you need a structure if you're going to make this happen, through which it works.

So if you imagine a pyramid, a hierarchical pyramid in a country and globally, and at the top of the pyramid is a tiny few people, ultimately the inner core of this global cult, and they impose their will, their agenda, what they want to happen, on the level below them, which then acquiesces to that imposition and imposes it on the level below them. And very soon, after you’ve come down from that pyramid peak, you're meeting levels of the hierarchy that have no idea there is a cult, have no idea there's any coordination. All they're doing is being told what to do by what they perceive to be their superiors and then imposing that on the level below them. And so it comes down the pyramid, imposition acquiescence, until you’ve reached the bottom of the pyramid where the global population are.

And if we acquiesce to the impositions of government, law enforcement, et cetera, upon us at the level we operate, then we complete a circuit. We complete a circuit of imposition and acquiescence between the tiny few you get in one room and the global population through imposition acquiescence.

And so the answer is shouting us in the face, and you can look at it just from the basic mathematical level of it, numbers. We have to stop acquiescing and cooperating with our own enslavement. If governments say do this or whatever, then we ask the question, is it justified? Is it justified? Does it make sense? What’s the motivation? Who benefits from me doing what they're telling me to do?

And if those answers are it’s about controlling me and my family, it’s about imposing a tyranny upon me and my family, well, you don’t do it. You don’t do it. And what you’ve raised about fear is why they don’t do it. Don’t do it in a sense of don’t refuse to acquiesce because they fear the consequences of not doing what authority tells them.

And this is a program that is systematically downloaded into people from the earliest age as very small kids. And you go to school, and you’ve only been on the planet for three or four years, and now suddenly you're sitting at a desk, and an authority figure representing the state is telling you when you can be there, when you have to be there, when you can leave, when you can talk, when you can eat, when you can go to the toilet. They're telling you what you must believe or you're a disruptive influence in the classroom if you don’t.

You could start to see the carrot and stick of going with what you're told and acquiescing to it and challenging what you're told and not acquiescing to it. And this process of obeying authority becomes a reflex action in so many people. We’ve seen it in the Covid era. And, you know, people have got these compartmentalized minds where you’ll talk to them and say yeah, governments lie. So why are you believing them about this then? Oh, the media, oh, you never believe what you read in the paper. So why are you believing it?

There's a whole perceptual download going on into people through repetition of the same thing, and if you accept that repetition and just subconsciously absorb it, it becomes your conscious opinion. And what you call your opinion is nothing more than the download into your subconscious and conscious mind of this repetition of a narrative.

So you will have noticed, I'm sure, I see it all the time when people tell you, who’ve bought the narrative of Covid, they tell you what their opinion is. I’ll tell you what my opinion is on this; I’ll tell you what I think is going on. And what comes out of their mouth is basically the official narrative word for word which they’ve called their opinion, but actually it’s not. They're just repeating the statements of authority.

And so, you know, if we're going to bring an end to this, we’ve got to take control of our perceptions back. We’ve got to stop downloading our conclusions and come to them ourselves because this is what is happening, and this is why there's such a difference, such a clear difference between those who bought the narrative unquestioningly, those that go with it because they don’t agree with it but they're frightened about doing anything about it, and contract that with those that are awakening to it, who can see it, who are refusing to cooperate with it. Of course, they're a minority compared with here, but they're a significant and growing minority, and the difference is their perception.

What happens with your people that just believe whatever they're told is they don’t come to conclusions? Their conclusion is the start of the process, so this is what’s happening. And therefore the information will be molded to confirm the conclusion. Whereas people who think for themselves, they look at the information and then conclude what they think is happening from the information. With the downloaders, the conclusion is the start of the process.

So you talk to a woke mind about unicause [PH] global warming, as it’s called, you talk to a woke mind about Covid, and their conclusion, which is immovable, will never be changed by information. The conclusion is what it is, the information is almost irrelevant, the conclusion is what matters.

Whereas other people, they listen to information, the hear information, and they say oh, hold on a minute, I didn’t know that. Maybe my conclusion about what’s going on was not quite right if that’s true, and their conclusions move as they process information. This is the difference between those who bought the Covid era hoax and those who are questioning it and refuse to cooperate with it.

So the awakening people are showing the answer to this. It’s noncooperation with your own enslavement, and it’s getting the hell informed about the subjects that are affecting your life so you have some control over your conclusions.

What is happening? You know, there have been whistleblowers in the national health service, nurses, et cetera, in Britain, and they’ve described how doctors, or what we call consultants in Britain, the top doctors, have had this jab themselves and had no idea what was in it. And they're pumping this stuff into their patients and getting a payment to do it from the government, and extra ten pounds, by the way, for every child they do, and they have no idea what’s in it. And the people are coming up and rolling their sleeve up, they have no idea what’s in it. And their kids are getting it, and they have no idea what’s in it that’s going in their kids.

There's someone locally here, a mother, who’s asked if she was going to let her 12 year old, which they’ve now got down to here – it just started this week – in fact, started today – she was asked if she’s going to let her 12 year old have the jab. And her reply was, I'm leaving it to him. I mean, so if you – this is the point – this is a big, big point – the biggest point, the biggest difference between this group and the awakening group – self-respect. Self-respect.

If you have self-respect, you are not going to acquiesce with your own enslavement because you’ve got the self-respect. It’s not going to happen. You’ve got the self-respect to say hold on a minute, I'm not just going to believe authority because of what it tells me, I'm going to check it out. That’s self-respect.

When you concede your self-respect, then you do what the government tells you and authority tells you without question, and you don’t check out what they tell you to see if it stands up to scrutiny.

And if you look at it, because it’s all a psychological game, I mean, in Britain the scientific advisory groups to the government on this Covid hoax, they're dominated by behavioral psychologist. This is a behavioral psychology operation, not a health operation. It’s manipulating perceptions so people behave the way you want them to.

And so you look at the number of people in positions of political power around the world who can only be described as bloody morons. You’ve got one in America, Biden. I mean, for all his flannel, Fauci is not the brightest man ever to walk the earth. You look at Gates, he’s not the brightest man either. You look at Johnson in Britain, complete idiot. Macron in France, ditzo. You look at the Premiers of Australia that have imposed that fascism like Daniel Andres in Victoria and the one in New South Wales, they're complete idiots. I mean, Queensland too. I mean, where they get them from I don't know, but they get them.

What is that saying? Because they're not running the show. They're just front people. What they're doing is putting moronic people in positions of power because if you can see the moronic, and who couldn’t – advanced minds people obviously can’t – but you still do what they say, you have conceded your self-respect. This guys a moron. This one’s a moron, but I'm still going to do what they say because they're authority. They’ve got a title, so I'm going to do what they say.

And this is the reason too because it’s all psychological. Masks are all psychological. People think well, you know, it’s so obvious that what we're being told to do, the social distancing and the masks and all these things, the vaccines, it’s obvious this is nonsense. What are they telling us to do this for? It makes no sense. And what about the contradictions? They said do this, and then they do that, and then they said do that again. It’s crazy, yeah.

But they want you to see that. They want you to see. They're not hiding it. They don’t want to hide it. They want you to see it. And I'm not talking about the people playing it out, I'm talking about the inner core that’s running this psychological SYOP on the world. They want you to see the contradictions, the nonsense, the unscientific baloney. Because if you can see it and you're told to do that nonsense by a moron and you still do it, you got no self-respect left whatsoever.

And you take self-respect out of the human personality  you’ve got submission. Submission remains the other side of self-respect. Deletion. And if you look at every tyranny that’s been overturned throughout human history, it’s been overturned by people with self-respect, that won’t have it, that won’t just acquiesce without question.

Chris Martenson:     It sounds like you're describing bootcamp for if you join the Marines or the Royal NAVY, right. The first thing they do is they strip you down. They take your self-respect. Is that not true?

David Icke:    Exactly. I’ll tell you what. I did an enormous amount of research into mind control from 1996 right across the millennium and for years afterwards. A lot of it was done in America, and a lot of it surrounded this horrific mind control  program that came to light in the 70s called NK-Ultra. I’ve met and talked to so many people who were survivors. Great numbers didn’t survive, of course, NK-Ultra.

Then I was watching a documentary on the training – it was in Britain – of elite troops. We call them the parachute regimens and things like that, the elite of the elite, as they call them. And I'm watching NK-Ultra mind control. I'm watching these people  are put on NK-Ultra mind control techniques because they want them to be unquestionably obedient. That’s what they want. ‘

Go into this situation where there's no reason for it, and you're going to be in great danger, even if something happens that we want to happen, it won’t make any bloody difference to where we are in this situation where we are in this conflict, but you're going to go. And they go, and they get killed and oh, they're a hero.

You know, my father told me a lot when I was a kid growing up. He was in the medical Corp during the war, during the second world war. He served in Italy and North Africa and other places. And he would tell me about these, again, moronic people who came from good, wealthy backgrounds, so they got the offices jobs, and the rest of the people just had to do what they told them.

He told me one story. He said, this guy was so unbelievably dangerous to the troops because he was like a general, but he was utterly incompetent, that he came in not feeling well one day – this was in North Africa – and he said we put on the diagnosis probably TB. And so when that happened, he said, they sent you back to Britain, Blitiers [PH] they used to call it, to be treated. But he never had TB, but they had to get him out because he was killing people with his incompetence.

And so you see this process or this structure all the time of incompetent, moronic people in positions of power because they are acquiescent themselves to that which is behind them which is driving this agenda.

And with the NK-Ultra, the techniques that have been used on the population, that I saw used on those troops in that documentary in the Covid era are NK-Ultra.

I was contacted in 2020 by a lady called Cathy O’Brien. Cathy O’Brien is very, very well known in mind control circles. She wrote a book called Trans: Formation of America, Trans: Formation of America about her experiences in NK-Ultra, an elite part of NK-Ultra where sex slaves were provided for rich and famous people like father George Bush and the Clintons and Dick Cheney, et cetera, in that period that she was there called Project Monarch.

And she was describing to me, she said, I just want to remind you that in NK-Ultra they used masks. Cathy gave birth to a child, Kelly, in captivity in NK-Ultra. I’ve met Kelly. I’ve met Cathy many times. And she said that they forced Kelly, from the age of two, to wear a mask because it was part of the dehumanization process of NK-Ultra mind control. It was to deny enough oxygen to the brain so it didn’t develop as it normally would, and I’ve seen neurologists talking out about this and the effect on the brain of masks, especially in young children and youngsters in general because of the growing development period demands lots of oxygen which can be devastating to the body and the brain if you don’t get enough.

And it was to basically be a symbolic gag silencing them, dehumanizing them, taking away their sense of an individual personality. Now, you walk down the street when the masks are going, and they want to bring them back. Talking about it here now already. I mean, I don’t wear a mask. I’ll die first. No way. But you walk past people, and you might know them, but you don’t recognize them, and it’s just dehumanizing.

And the people that have been pushing these masks in Britain are behavioral psychologists because they know the effect that it’s having. And she pointed out that the NK-Ultra program didn’t end. It just carried on under other names. It’s gone on ever since, and that one of the victims of it was Michael Jackson. One of the reasons his strange behavior. He was subjected to terrible levels of mind control, a lot of it based on _____ [00:54:36].

And she pointed out, what was Michael Jackson famous for doing for a long period? Wearing masks, wearing a mask. It’s all part of this effect on the psyche. And so you have masks introduced, justified by “Covid” which have holes far bigger than viral particles anyway if you believe in viruses, and so if you sneeze or cough, they're going to come through. It’s just a waste of bloody time, but it’s not because it’s about changing the psyche. It’s nothing to do with health.

And this is what’s going on. It’s all mind control. It’s all psychological manipulation. And it’s to bring the population into a state of what we call nodding dog acquiescence so that you never question anything, you don’t challenge anything, you just do what you're told. And if you take away the awakening who have stood up to this, and you look at the people who have bought it unquestionably, and that’s what they are, they're just nodding dogs. The government says do something or presses enter, and they respond.

Chris Martenson:     I want to talk now about this awakening because I do agree that there are obvious psychological profiles being developed and run and things like that. We know about that because a couple of psychologists, I believe in Britain, apologized, and said, oh, we're so sorry that we participated in this, but there's a behavioral unit there. They have nudge units is what they call them in Australia.

David Icke:     Yeah, they call them nudge units here. In Britain it’s called the Behavioral Insights Team it’s called in Britain. And its nickname is the nudge unit.

Chris Martenson:     The nudge unit. Yeah, so we have those. Those are a matter of open discussion. For anybody listening, if you want to look into this further, the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, was also an NK-Ultra, well known to be an unwilling participant if you will. He was pushed through the NK Ultra program, so it’s a very real thing.

But I want to talk about this awakening. From your vantage point, are there more people waking up now?

David Icke:   Oh, my God, yes. You know, because I’ve been doing this for 31 years now, and so I remember what it was like 31 years ago. I mean, there was virtually no one you could get to take interest in any of this. Virtually no one. I      I came to America even as late as 1996, and I was talking in people’s front room. I spoke near Chicago once and eight people turned out. This is what you were dealing with even in 1996.

And so when people are relatively new to this, say all people should be waking up quicker, well, we all want that. But when I compare with what is happening now with what was happening then, I mean, it bears no resemblance whatsoever. I mean, enormous numbers of people are waking up.

I was walking down the street in Britain in the 1990s, and I was being laughed at by people. People would point me out as the mad, crazy man. And now they stop me in the street and ask me about what’s going on, the same people. There has been this great awakening which really has happened, to a large extent, because – well, first of all, when you’ve been saying for 30 years something’s going to happen, it happens, well, that gives you credibility. What else have you said that’s going to happen?

But more than that, the Covid era is when the manipulation, for those who in any way have a brain cell anyway, has been the time when this came out of the shadows into the room where we could see it. And you know, for all this period, right up to the Covid era really, except for those people who have been looking for it and seeing it, it’s all happened in the shadows, and that’s just another term for subconscious. It’s all happened in the subconscious, and the conscious mind has not been aware of it. To the conscious mind, the things happening in the world are all random events. They aren’t connected at all. Because the manipulation has been coming from the subconscious, what we call the shadows. It’s not been in the awareness of the conscious mind.

But in the Covid era, because they're now running for home, they're now going full blast with their anger, they have to enter the room because, you know, you can only manipulate under the radar up to a certain point. I mean, you can go a long way down that road, and they have. But there comes a time when your manipulation to transform society in a certain way, what they're calling The Great Reset, has to physically happen where people can see it. You're no longer manipulating and moving this bit and moving this piece and then this piece. You are actually transforming the world of the seen, the world of the conscious mind, and that’s what’s happened in the Covid era.

And it just shows the level of perceptual manipulation that there are vast numbers of people that still can’t see it even though it’s been presented to the arena of the conscious mind. But lots of people have, and they can see that this is not a game, and it’s not a theory. It’s real because it’s happening before their eyes.

This is what is getting a lot of so far vax people, fake vax people, to actually move into this awakening group. Because what’s been happening – this is what always happens – is you have a script, and there are elements of the script that need to play out. So if it’s not in the script to have masks at this point, then Fauci will say there's no need for masks. But when it comes to the point in the script where they want to play the masks out, then suddenly masks are necessary to save you from Covid. So they lie all the way.

So they’ve got a test called the RTPCR test, which is not testing for the SARS-C V 2. But they claim it is, and when you test positive, you're called a case. So what they say at the start is if we're going to go back to normal, which is the carrot that’s never designed to go back to normal, then you must get tested. Everyone must get tested. Oh, yeah, well, we’ll get tested then. Well, but the more people test with the test not testing for the virus, the more people are going to test positive, going to be called a case, and the authorities are going to use that number to say we need to go further away from normal, not nearer to it. And then they say the same with masks and all that stuff, and then they come around to the fake jab.

And this is what is starting a lot of people who have been jabbed saying well, hold on a minute here, but no further, is they say okay, go back to normal this, the carrot, everyone’s going vaccinated. And so you have two jabs, and that’s what you need. Go back to normal. And we are going to give you incentives; free beer, free donuts, free entry to a lottery, which is all about health, of course. So yeah, we believe in your health. Have a donut for having the jab. I love it. I’ll have a beer.

And so you’ve got the incentives, and then you’ve got the stick. Well, if you don’t have the jab, you're not going to be able to do this, that, and the other and have a normal life. And so people, for various reasons, either they just believe what they're told, so they do it, or they think well, I don’t really want it, but I can’t do this, that, and the other, I better have it. And they get the two jabs.

And then they say, well, actually you need a booster. Like I say, in Israel they're talking about the forth. And what are they saying in Israel? I said back in 2020 they would do this. They're saying in Israel, you have had two jabs, and  you’ve got your green pass, your vaccine passport? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, well, if you don’t have the third one within six months you're going to lose your green pass, your vaccine passport which means you're going to be in the same position the non-vax-ed are, and you’ve had two of them. And this is the idea.

You look at some of these vaccine passports and they’ve got sections for more and more jabs in them. I mean, hello? And so a lot of jabbed people are now looking at this and saying, hold on a minute. You said if we did this we got back to normal. We didn’t. If we did this we’d go back to normal. We didn’t. we got two jabs, we go back to normal? We're not. And I can’t do, unless I have more jabs, what the unvaccinated can’t do. So I had these things for no reason. And the pennies are starting to drop in more and more of those people and not least…

Chris Martenson:     Not for no reason, David. These vaccines harm people. They actually harm people. There was a little local like ABC affiliate here in the US put up a very unfortunate Facebook post and they said, hey, if you're unvaccinated and been harmed by Covid we’d like  your story. They had 220,000 responses on it, and almost all of them were people saying, no, I don’t know anybody that fits that category, but my aunt just died after having the jab, or my uncle started bleeding out his nose, and it couldn’t be stop.

So these vaccines, like I know more people who know people who have been harmed by the vaccine than from Covid. That’s what I know personally in my life.

David Icke:    Well, when I said for no reason, I mean, for no reason in terms of going back to normal. But, of course, the jabs are not for no reason. They're for no reason health wise except for destroying it.

I mean, when your putting synthetic genetic material into a body – I mean, how do you think that’s going to work out? Self-replicating synthetic genetic material – I mean, how do you think that’s going to work out? Any idea? Of course it’s going to be a disaster. Because it’s self-replicating, it’s going to be a cumulative disaster. The more of the boosters you have, the more of the impact on the body, it’s messing with the messaging system of the body. I mean, the body is in balance and healthy because the communication system of the body is healthy, the communication from the brain to the genetic structure and vice versa. When that’s in balance like a computer’s communication system is in balance, the computer is working.

But when you throw it out of kilter, like with a computer virus or something, or mRNA, fake vaccines, then once your communication system starts breaking down, it can manifest as endless disease, disharmony, because the communicate is not happening. It’s like the virus on your computer, the communicate goes haywire, so does the communicate. It won’t work anymore.

And it’s the same principle. I’ve kind of been on this case, really concentrate on this area in the last few weeks. And the number of people who are dying and having life changing effects from these fake vaccines is absolutely fantastic.

I saw a 16 year old girl in America the other day talking about the fact that she’d been devastated, her health had been devasted, by having this fake vaccine, but no one in the medical profession will agree that the vaccine caused it. They says it’s psychosomatic. She’s having these shakes because she’d succumb to stress or something and needs to see a mental professional she was told.

And then this moronic, again, neurologist she saw said that even though yeah, it’s psychosomatic, you need to see a mental professional, she said, but, you know, I have seen more of these cases since the vaccine rollout. And then she was asked, well, why do you think you're seeing more cases? And she said, well, it’s because there's so much stress about this vaccine it’s all psychosomatic.

I mean, it’s unbelievable, the idiocy that we're seeing unfolding in all these different professions. But where I'm going is that she was told what was wrong with her, eventually, was that the communicate had gone haywire from the brain and through the central nervous system and therefore she was having these bodily movements that she couldn’t control. Well, that’s messing with the messaging system of the body. We haven’t seen nothing yet. And there are deeper levels of this. There are deeper psychological and energetic levels of this.

Do you know Rudolf Steiner, a hundred years ago – he was obviously behind the Steiner schools, Waldorf education it’s also called I think, and he was a very, very enlightened man, and he had a lot of connections into the system as well. And he said a hundred years ago that they were planning, what he called the materialists, were planning a vaccine eventually that would be given to babies at birth and would disconnect their five sense mind from their other levels of consciousness and it would isolate people in the five sense, and they would be literally only able to perceive what they perceived to be the materialist world and not other levels of awareness which is absolutely vital to have to get a fix on this world because the five sense will only give  you a certain experience and understanding of it. You need other levels of conscious in the perceptual process, otherwise you are just a baby in arms to the system.

And what we're now seeing with Pfizer, talking about November, is we got down to six months now they're talking about giving this fake jab. And they want to give it as early as possible after birth. And, you know, when  you look at these people like Reiki healers and people like that that work with the other energetic levels of the human entity, and some of them are saying that when they worked on the energetic fields of people before they had the jab and afterwards they're totally different. There's a disconnect between the different levels of being after the jab and before which fits the kind of – well, it doesn’t fit. It’s exactly what Steiner predicted.

I have talked to a lot of people who’ve said about workmates, loved ones, people they know, they're not the same person anymore since they’ve had this jab. The word that comes up more than once, to say the least, is vacant. They look vacant. It’s like no one home.

And so I think we are going to see multiple, multiple effects of this fake vaccine. And there are multiple effects that were planned. I keep seeing doctors talking about unintended consequences of the fake vaccine. They're not unintended. They're absolutely intended.

What we're looking at is a massive [PH] population program on one level and those that survive a genetic transformation from the biological state that we’ve always known to a much more synthetic state which fits in with the sort of things that Husky was talking about. That’s what we're looking at.

This is not a game. It’s not a phase that eventually will end. This is the cult running for home. And we need to face that and realize that the power is with us but only if we use it.

Chris Martenson:     So let’s, as we – and by the way, this has just been a fabulous interview. Thank you so much for your time. I want to direct people to your website. And I’d like to know what you think, if you have advice for people who are listening. So we know the people who have already awakened and there's lots of them, and they're growing. There are the people who probably never will be reached, but for those people on the fence, what’s the message for them? How do we encourage people to think for themselves as it were?

David Icke:     Well, first of all, recognize the historical, endless, constant, incessant confirmations that authority lies. It’s always done it. So why would they suddenly tell you the truth now about this?

Then ask the question who benefits? Who benefits from all of this? Don’t people that want freedom and justice and the right to free opinion, to freedom of lifestyle, do they benefit from this? No, no. Those that want to destroy all that benefit from this. Who benefits from all the small and medium size, and even some big businesses that aren’t cult businesses going under, those that won the giant corporations?

Who benefits is the question? Who benefits from a crime is the one most likely to have committed it is a great line, and it points you to the real villain time and time again.

So ask these questions. But once you’ve asked them and found answers that give you a fix on what’s really happening, stop cooperating with it. One things for certain, and it’s guaranteed, if you cooperate with fascism, you cooperate with tyranny, you’ll get tyranny. You will get what you will take.

You know, I’ll give you a quick example. There are fantastic people in Australia who are pushing back against this under the most enormous intimidation from these fascistic states in Australia and the federal government. But there's not enough of them yet. And so you’ve seen what’s happened in Australia across their winter up to present time. Very clear extreme levels of fascism, beyond anything the Nazi’s did in some ways in terms of lockdown, not being able to leave your house, have been imposed.

So if you take it, they will give it because their agenda is to do to the world what they’ve done to Australia. And yet, in Britain, they announced last week they were going to introduce vaccine passports at the end of September. Two days later they withdrew it, and now they say that they're not going to do it until the end of September. Now, they are going to come back again. As the number of fake vaccine deaths increase and increase and increase, and they're going to, they are, they're going to be blaming this on Covid and variants to hide the fact that it’s the bloody vaccine that’s causing it.

They're going to use that fear to come back again with the vaccine passports, with the mask, with the lockdown, In fact, the UK government has said well, that’s their plan B. Well, no, it’s your plan A, and you know it is.

But the point I'm making is, they made a decision last week, they don’t think they can get away with vaccine passports in Britain at the moment as things stand because there's been a lot of pushback here. I mean, there are marches in London every month. There's another one this Saturday which I'm going to where hundreds of thousands of people take part, and there's big pushback.

You know, in the spring of 2020 when people were just buying, you know, we're all going to die scenario, anyone that was protesting was picked off immediately. There were so few. But now the police will go in, arrest them and all that stuff. But now the police just have to stand aside because the numbers are so vast there's nothing they can do.

And this is making the point that they will give what you will take. If  you’ll take it, they’ll give it because they want real extreme stuff, real extreme fascism. And if we acquiesce to it, that’s what we’ll get, as simple as that. And if you think it’s bad now, and it bloody well is, what kind of world are your kids going to live in? and your grandkids?

Beyond anything, we say now, so why would you just sit there with your mouth zipped and sitting on your hands acquiescing to this? This is backbone time. This is grow a pair time because the way that this human society is going depends on the noncooperation with this in the next two years. It absolutely does. I'm not a pessimist on it. I'm optimistic. But optimism needs to be supported by action. And it’s not going to write itself. We have to write it. I think we will, but we’ve got to get started in a much bigger way and now.

Chris Martenson:     I agree. I'm reminded of a Nietzsche quote which is, “No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself.”

David Icke: Here, here. Here, here. Okay, you people that have chosen to have this fake vaccine for  reasons of not questioning it, do what I'm told, do you own  yourself? Of course not. And if you don’t own  yourself, someone else owns you.

And, you know, another aspect of this which is – I’ve written about in books before going, of course, a long way back, is the plan to change the nature of the human body to the point where you can patent it and own it. I think there was a case went through the Supreme Court in America, as I recall, where they tried to patent the elements of the body, and it was knocked down because you can’t patent an actual thing. That was basically the judgment.

But if you change the natural thing with non-natural stuff, synthetic stuff, then you can claim that actually you're doing something that’s not natural, thus you can patent it, and that’s been in the agenda for a long, long time.

This is exaclty the same principle as your Monsanto GMO where they changed the nature of the plant, the crop, and then they patent it, and you have to buy it from them because they own it. Even though it started out natural, you flicked it with unnatural stuff, genetically modified, now you can patent it, and you can own it. They want to do that with the body.

To understand the scale of what’s going on is to understand the true evil that we're dealing with. My definition of evil is the absence of love. And when you pull love out of everything, so it becomes this black hole without love, that’s what we call evil. These people are evil. I feel sorry for them. I feel sorry for them, I do. I mean, they wake up every day and realize they're still them. It must be a nightmare.

But this is the state of consciousness if you can call it that that we're dealing with. So if people say well, no, they’d never do that. No, no, no. no, no, no, you would never do that. They would do it and get off on it. I mean, you look in the eyes of these people. The eyes really are the window on the soul. I look in the eyes of Fauci. I look in the eyes of Gates. I love in the eyes of local Chris Whitty here who’s Chief Medical Officer driving the policy like Fauci is in America. And I look at the Daniels Andrew’s. I look at the Klaus Schwab’s, the World Economic Forum. Look in their eyes. There's not a soul on the other side, I’ll tell you that. So who are these that.

Chris Martenson:        Remember, rules for thee, not for me in this crowd. We had our governor of California eating out with all of his friends maskless. And of course in the UK I think we had Matt Hancock shagging the Secretary all while telling people they couldn’t touch, they couldn’t hug, they had to be very, very afraid. So that’s always the tell in this thing too.

Chris Martenson:     This guy Matt Hancock, I’ve done a lot of research on this, people like _____ [01:28:06] and a journalist called Jacquie Deevoy [PH] in this country,  a proper journalist in this. And Matt Hancock mass murdered enormous numbers of old people in the spring of 2020. You can show the data. He ordered, mass ordered, a drug called Midazolam, which is an end of life sedative drug which is used by some states in the execution process. He ordered enormous supplies. He got two years supply from France in.

The did this in America in some states and in New York big time. They said, well, this Covid is going to be so bad we’ve got to clear the hospital beds, so get everybody out of the hospital that you think you can. So enormous amounts of old people who were not in the hospital with Covid; they were in the hospital because they were ill and because they were old. They were in the hospital; they must have been in a bad state.

They were moved into the care homes, which is a bit of a misnomer in the Covid era, and they were given Midazolam and things like morphine, but Midazolam dominated.

And you see, when you see the prescriptions of Midazolam, they absolutely go through the roof in this period where enormous amounts of old people died in the care homes. And I’ve seen unimpeachable documentation of some of the levels of prescriptions of Midazolam or doses that were given that would kill and elephant, and they called that the Covid first wave.

In America they used a drug imposed upon the hospitals by Fauci called Remdesivir to do the same, to create the first wave. Many thousands of people died because of Remdesivir which destroys organs, particularly the kidney function, and so people fill up with water and the lungs fill up with water, and they call it Covid 19. And Fauci well knew as a doctor in America – he’s done a fantastic amount of research on this – knew that this Remdesivir would do that, and it would kill people.

Because there have been trials where Remdesivir was for Ebola treatment where Remdesivir affected people so badly in the trials they took it out of the trial. And then he says, well, you got to use to for Covid.

This is the level of psychopathy that we are dealing with. These people have no soul. And if you look at the traits of psychopaths, the top two traits are lack of empathy and lack of compassion. And if you don’t have empathy – I’ve called for decades empathy the failsafe mechanism of human behavior. If you can have empathy, you put yourself in the feeling of those your affecting, then that’s a failsafe mechanism because you have an emotional consequence for what you're doing to them.

When you have no emotional consequence because you don’t have empathy, there's no limits to what you will do because you have no downside. You have no impact emotionally on what you do.

We talked earlier about MK-Ultra. Kids put through enormous, fantastic traumas in NK-Ultra to split their mind into different compartments. You're going to have empathy and do that to a kid? No way. This is what we're dealing with. And when people grasp the scale of evil we're dealing with, they will start to grasp actually what we're facing.

Chris Martenson:     That’s a difficult process for people to really face I think. It’s hard to imagine. But because we don’t have the frame of reference for it, you know. The only way I can sort of connect with it is the same level of care that I think about when I put an ant trap on the counter is probably the same amount of care that Fauci says when he says give these people Remdesivir.

David Icke:   Exactly right. That’s a very good analogy. They don’t see us in anything more than vermin terms. So what happens to us, what’s it matter? They're very, very sick people. But at the inner core, they're not stupid. Well, they're stupid because of the consequences long term of their actions, but they're not intellectually stupid.

And the one thing they understand is how the human psyche works, and they know if they press button A they’ll get response B. That’s how they're doing it. It’s not that they're all powerful. They're not. They have to manipulate us to give our power to them. That’s where their power comes from. And because they understand how the psyche works, that’s how the manipulate us to give our power to them because they have none unless we give it to them. If we don’t, then they become impotent.

Someone comes out of the White House or Downey Street and says we’ve had a discussion, and this is what’s going to happen. If enough people say we're not doing it, we're not doing that, where’s their power? Their power is in use saying I think it’s ridiculous. I think it’s crazy. I think it’s outrageous. I think it’s political crap that’s gone mad, but I’ll still do it. That’s where their power comes from. We stop that, game over.

Chris Martenson:     Well said, very well said. David, fantastic interview. Thank you for the work you're doing in the world. If people want to follow you, where do they find you?

David Icke:  Well, I hope no one will follow me. This is how we got into this mess, following people. But if people want to see what I'm saying and the information to back it up then they go to davidicke.com. That’s the hardware that the news is put into context every day and videos galore there. New ones all the time.

And then there's Iconic which is like an alternative Netflix which covers all the different alternative subjects, not just conspiracy, everything with documentaries and series and what else? I just actually recorded a series on The Nature of Reality, thirteen parts, which is going to be on Iconic pretty soon.

And I'm doing a live stream, buy the way, on Iconic on November 6th called Where From Here? It’s going to be six hours of how did we get into this mess, and how do we get out of it. Because get out of it we will, but we’ve got to have some real commitment to do it.

Chris Martenson:     Fantastic. Well, I'm looking forward to that. Thank you for your work in the world. You're a very busy man, obviously, so thank you for your time today. And God speed.

David Icke:    Pleasure.

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 7:26pm

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    David understands the pychology of this governing and financial control warfare better than anyone

    It was actually by way of David's site that I was first introduced to Peak Prosperity , starting with Dr Martenson's very first wuhan virus video back in January 2020..   I feel I have remained ahead of the curve with the knowledge imparted by both David and Dr Martenson.

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 7:32pm

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    Interesting guy... he's not wrong.

    I'll edit as I go along but his comment at 20 minutes food shortage=control... I have questioned how thos global cabal intended to boost vaccination in the third world and Africa particularly. But then when you consider how much food subsidy they actually get and how restricting that food aid will ensure their hunger turns to compliance, then it starts to make sense. Every vax-hesitant country has a fulcrum to move their vax rates, and I'll bet the globalists have a long enough lever.

    Min 35. I love his explanation of the top down control structure. A very elegant design that is very effective... that's exactly how the military operates. You absolutely CAN have naive enforcement, and that is exactly what we're seeing with medicine these days.

    Fascinating interview. Worth a second watch for sure. Everything that has been said by many thoroughly and comprehensibly articulated.

    He's right about the idea of resistance to authority. About the power they weild being made up only of power we have ceded to them.

    I was explaining to a friend of mine today that faith in the system is the same thing as syncytin to embrionic development. Its a clever twist that the vaccine destroys both. Everyday I see more pieces of this puzzle develop, and only from the perspective of a skeptic on the fringes looking in does it reveal itself. And everyday more people see a piece unveil itself and gives them pause to ask the questions that expand their awareness to the darkness in the world. I have become aware of many voices that previously were ridiculed and alienated. No self respecting person who valued their reputation would pay heed to. I didn't listen to them, and today, I feel like I can hear those voices clearly. Their message has not changed, but my willingness to hear them out has.

    I don't think he has everything right. But at the same time, neither do I. I have my own model for explaining the world we are dealing with, but its those points of overlapping confirmation that make it clear that the full story is out there if the voices of the demagogues are heard.

    Chris, this interview was excellent, and strangely hopeful. The fact that this organized evil can exist and still allow people like David Icke to exist means they are not interested in silencing pariahs, merely discrediting them. But the more of them I hear the more credible they become, and as you said at the beginning, it is almost proof of bona fides that they ARE disparaged and silenced by the mainstream. At least then, you know they are saying something dangerous. And nothing is more dangerous than the truth.

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 8:29pm

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    Control of Food

    Check James Corbett's #SolutionsWatch interview with Christian Westbrook. Lots of the same ideas with a "how we can become more resilient" spin. cheers

    #SolutionsWatch: James Corbett with Christian Westbrook of Ice Age Farmer (odysee.com)

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 8:56pm

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    Thank you!

    I so appreciate Icke's take on the big picture.

    A triumph of the intuitive function that looks at the dots and suddenly sees a vision that ties it together.

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 9:17pm

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    Power pyramid

    Loved the explanation that the whole power structure is based on the next level down complying with the instructions given. Perfect scheme for plausible deniability and info compartmentalization. Those below will never know who is really pulling the strings from up above. Big "a-ha" moment for me. Thanks to both David and Chris.

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 9:19pm

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    I am surprised

    I had thought that Icke was a whacko, but actually he makes an awful lot of sense.

    The quotes that got me were these:

    And so you look at the number of people in positions of political power around the world who can only be described as bloody morons. You’ve got one in America, Biden. I mean, for all his flannel, Fauci is not the brightest man ever to walk the earth. You look at Gates, he’s not the brightest man either. You look at Johnson in Britain, complete idiot. Macron in France, ditto. You look at the Premiers of Australia that have imposed that fascism like Daniel Andres in Victoria and the one in New South Wales, they're complete idiots. I mean, Queensland too. I mean, where they get them from I don't know, but they get them.

    ...

    They're just front people. What they're doing is putting moronic people in positions of power because if you can see the moronic, and who couldn’t – advanced minds people obviously can’t – but you still do what they say, you have conceded your self-respect.

    So true.

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 9:25pm

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    Incredible interview and guest, Chris!

    David's ideas elegantly (and horrifyingly) explain so much of what we're seeing.

    Love his saying: "Know the outcome, and you'll see the journey"!

    Thank-you for this incredible interview with an incredible guest, Chris!

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 9:37pm

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    Fear = lack of self-respect

    I was prompted by his discussion of self-respect to consider that fear can be a manifestation of a lack of self-respect. I've decided to respect myself more in future.

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 9:50pm

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    emdashtheory said:

    If you're going down the rabbit hole and you find lizards, You've gone too far!

    Just teasing. Awesome guest! I read a few of Icke's books when I was younger. He's got a good perspective on a lot of things

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 9:56pm

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    Can't wait till November for action plans

    He said that he will be giving a six-hour talk in November including on how to get out of this mess. Can we brainstorm here at PP before that?

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 10:07pm

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    Loved this...

    "They will give what you will take".

    "Evil is the absence of love".

    Money quotes for me.

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 10:16pm

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    Mr. B said:

    Had a friend that always told me; "you deserve what you tolerate".

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 11:01pm

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    nurse collapse

    If many of the nurses will not take this shot, it must be something they are seeing in the hospital? Things may not be what it seem to be.

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 11:54pm

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    Island girl

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    Predates Huxley - The Open Conspiracy by HG Wells, 1928

    H. G. Wells wrote The Open Conspiracy in 1928. Here are some quotes:

    This candid attempt to take possession of the whole word, this Open Conspiracy of ours, must be made in the name of and for the sake of science and creative activity...

    .Intelligent control of the population is a possibility that puts man outside competitive processes that have hitherto ruled the modification of the species...

    ....the organized world community conducting and ensuring its own progress requires a deliberate collective control of population as a primary condition...

    ...The first thing we should examine is what we want to do with natural resources, and the next, how to get men to do what has to be done as pleasurably and effectively as possible

    I’m with Chris. Subjugation is about control of resources by the elite few.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 12:02am

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    And prior to Huxley, August Comte - the pinnacle of human development is scientific thinking

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/law-of-three-stages

    The culmination of this line of thinking is the current push to technocratic feudalism - rule by the technical elite.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 12:21am

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    Peter Jorseph's new film

    Thanks, it was well worth listening to Icke as it helps put things in a larger perspective.   For those who haven't watched Zeitgeist series you can watch it here:

    https://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/watch-now

    and for Peter Jordan's most recent film InterReflections you can find it here:

    https://www.interreflectionsmovie.com/

    As I've mention before I believe that changing the narrative, "the story", that we frame and make sense of our observations with is going to be a critical component of creating a world that we all want to live in and one way to do that is through conversations like this one between Chris and David.  Another is through media such as film.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 12:34am

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    Excellent interview

    Nowadays I listen during either when running errants by car or bike, or while excercising. I couldn't help myself this time, and listened early in the morning. I fully recognize his statement about self esteem. I think that this ties in neatly with Chris's "integrity": once one embraces ones "wholeness", there is only the option of not accepting what the AMF's want us to accept.

    I find it difficult however to translate all this into a general recipe: I started some time ago with preparations to be sufficiently financial free to not accepting this BS. But I realize that for most people who are less prepared, this is a devilish choice. The mechanism that David describes in this interview and other interviews, are clearly visible in the company I'm working in at the moment the only differemce being that people are not really silently accepting certain things, but they are nevertheless accepting it. In discussions, people always say that they would make a different choice if they were not dependent. However, I think that PP's "rescilience" nicely ties into all of this.

    With respect to our education system, my mind was blown open by this speach of Sir Ken Robinson. It is very funny, brilliantly articulated, but also highly relevent today.





    Btw, I agree with Canuck21 .

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 12:35am

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    Interview.

    He us very right, and yet there are elements he leaves out, maybe because they don't matter in the end or he just didn't think to get into it. I am certain his pyramid/control data is correct, but what also goes on in this dynamic is those at the top tend to eat each other as they go along.  Any power structure just does.  From Rome, to the monarchies, to empires - it's endless and will play a part in how things evolve.   Social engineering is real and this is as good an example as I have ever seen in time.  This is where we hope Hegel is correct and the will to be free creates the counter force that takes us to an ever evolving synthesis.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 12:39am

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    Thinkers from other regions drawing similar conclusions to Icke

    USA - Patrick Wood on Technocracy - history of the global technocracy movement and players to present time

    Peru/UK: Miklos Lukacs - Transhumanism

    US: Edwin Black (historian of the holocaust) - the algorithm ghetto (e.g. Vax passport/social credit system as means to deal with the noncompliant)

    US: C.J. Hopkins (satirist) - the Covidian Cult

    Australia: Alexandra Marshall - Apocalypse politics as manipulation of the masses

     

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 12:59am

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    hard to swallow

    While listening to David speak about lack of self-respect,  I could only keep thinking about all the people asking about or questioning what to do after their employer mandated the shot.   And I can only think "how little does one value one's self?"

    This all ends tomorrow if we turn off the telly ( news ) and simply do not comply.

    It is really this simple.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 1:48am

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    Gregory said:

    thank you *so much* for the Ken Robinson link. *really* great and spot on.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 1:51am

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    Gregory said:

    Chris, who types the transcript??? that's a lot of typing.

    and btw, it would be useful if we could collapse the transcript.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 2:12am

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    Wow

    Amazing interview.

    Loved it.

    Thank you.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 3:58am

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    I’ve seen everything now!

    Chris Martenson interviews David Icke!

    Fuck, why not, things are so crazy I’d believe my balls go on skiing trips whilst I’m asleep…

    🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 4:34am

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    David İcke!?!

    İ never heard of him before yesterday but then watched a video one of The Tribe posted in comments after another Peak Prosperity video. That video was concerning the zoom call between two high level UK health officials and the conspiracy to administer morphine and midazolam in fatal doses to care home residents. I'll admit i thought David Icke sounded a little cracked and i was skeptical of the claim. 

     

    After watching this interview with Chris i feel differently. David Icke's mind and heart feel intact and whole and that means to me that i must at least take his claims about midazolam murders seriously. 

     

    Just about everything he said in the interview by Chris resonated with me and i thank Chris profusely for blowing my mind once more. 

     

    Layers of reality are peeling off. 

     

    We will get there!

     

    Do not comply!!!

     

    Nurture and keep your self-respect!!!

     

    Xoxo 😘

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 6:00am

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    Canuckian said:

    Fuck, why not, things are so crazy I’d believe my balls go on skiing trips whilst I’m asleep…

    Thanks for a good laugh dude!

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 7:06am

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    I'm so glad Chris has an open mind

    I've just found out about David Icke last year, I saw ppl say he's a conspiracy theorist, but my inner conspiracy theorist said he can't be that bad...... boy was I right. Everything this man said was exactly what I feared was happening. I am glad that Peak Prosperity gave him a platform to speak to us, im grateful that Chris could be open minded enough to even listen to him. In a world of science there are plenty of things that cannot be explained by science. The great awakening is very real. Started for me in 2018, as strange or crazy as it seems I'm forever grateful for it. I hope more ppl will open their minds and understand a majority of our lives have been one big controlling lie. From school, religion, and especially our government. Again I'm so thankful to have found Peak Prosperity, and other like minded ppl. This is our tribe now, and we must stick together.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 7:07am

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    Social media now banning the term “natural immunity”

    Sanjay Gupta and Fauci discuss natural immunity.





    ”Natural immunity” now getting banned by social media.





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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 7:20am

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    Instagram bans #naturalimmunity

    Instagram ‘fueling conspiracy theorists’ by banning #naturalimmunity hashtag

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 8:43am

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    Love The Twilight Zone

    A big Hurrah for Chris to tackle this unpleasant material.  You don't have to buy everything Ickes says to get a lot of value here.  What spoke to me was his calling out of human conditioning techniques and propaganda.  Such as the "imposition, acquiescence" routine, as well as breaking down of our humanity thru masking, fear, policy vacillation, etc.  It's all a well documented and researched play book.  First you break them, then you condition them.

    "They" are very especially concerned about future generations, wanting them to be docile (oxygen deprived), subservient.  It's accepted the young are more teachable.  Kind of like dog training.  Started with George Bushes post 911 terrorism level indicator with red, yellow, green, orange lights.  Thank god that failed!

    The training has nonetheless progressed with removing shoes and belts at airports, etc.  Now we're onto masking protocols, travel restrictions, vaxx status.  The TSA may yet fulfill it's destined role as modern day American Stazi.  Yup, they already wrote book.  Just now they're dusting it off.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 8:48am

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    Aquila Virtue said:

    Great interview, thanks CM for bringing him up

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 8:58am

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    laku334 said:

    Gave me a laugh when he started roasting all the leaders of the free world (46:30)

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 9:08am

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    Throw in a quarter and listen to the rant

    This Icke guy is a bit like Jim Willy at TFMR; throw in a quarter and listen to the rant. I managed to keep up for almost an hour and then gave up.

    Icke is so focused on his own theory that a simple question like "what actions to take?" is being dismissed as irrelevant. So following his logic we need to trace the master puppeteers and eliminate them?

    Cutting the cords is less violent and equally effective.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 9:11am

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    The story of the 2 ants

    There were two ants walking across a TV screen. One ant remarked: "why do you think the pixels under our feet keep changing colors?"

    "I don't know" replied the other ant but we will dig down into one and try to see what is going on". Then we will know.

    The movie The Matrix was being broadcast at the time.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 9:28am

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    Today is part of a “lull”

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 9:41am

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    Nothing new here,

    I didn't see any new insights here, even though I still enjoyed the interview.

    'Centralised power' or 'power being concentrated into fewer hands without accountability' is a mainstream topic today. So is the presence of sociopathy in hierarchical structures...

    The virus-denial/anti-mask stance is potentially dangerous, & gives the authorities more excuses to impose further mandates... Yes, masks might not be appropriate for all situations - but it is highly likely that we are still dealing with a lab agent that can mess up your body & brain - even if it wasn't the instant 'civilization killer' we were led to believe, or even if jabs turn out to be more lethal...

    I agree that the lockdowns were nothing to do with public health in England, 0:20:00. People were being fined for meeting up on the park, while supermarkets were full of families shopping without masks right up until July 24th 2020. Masks have since become optional again.

    Interesting point about how people are unable to see beyond materialism, 1:10:00. I'm no meteorologist, but I remarked to colleagues a few years ago, that the winter cloud formations I was seeing  looked similar to the ones you'd expect  in summer, but I was always met the same blank expression - I quickly came to the conclusion that most people don't even look up at the sky anymore...

    Part of the problem with public compliance to evil systems, is simply that too many people buy into the consumer culture - getting caught up into the debt-trap, & terrified of losing their jobs/positions if they speak out against injustice etc.. I assume that most PP members have withdrawn as far as possible from these systems of debt & control, as I have done, even if it means going frugal or becoming more self-reliant etc.

     

     

     

     

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 10:29am

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    The Product is You

    I commend you, sir. You win the objectivity award of the year. I'll have to add Martenson's Predicament Cube to my toolbox, alongside Robert Anton Wilson's Reality Tunnels, and Einstein's Thought Experiment.

    Read everything. Listen to everybody. Don't trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research. ― Bill Cooper

    When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?" ― John Maynard Keynes

    Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. ― Mike Tyson

    Everybody is a scientific materialist until they experience the supernatural.

    Over twenty plus years ago, Alex Jones called David Icke fringe. He complained that he was detracting away from what was clearly a historical problem of wayward absolutist governance. Then he crashed Bohemian Grove. Jones started singing a different tune after that. Those of you who think Alex Jones is merely an over-the-top radio performer should watch Bohemian Grove: Dark Secrets (c. 2000).

    Again it doesn't matter if you believe in secret rituals. They do.

    This cabal/cult conspiracy mirrors the UFO/Abduction conspiracy in an interesting way:

    • Both are constructed with a bias template. They tailor themselves to your ability to receive or comprehend them. Remove the templates, discover the same patterns of obfuscation and narrative shaping (nudging).
    • Both display an intimate relationship of seemingly orthodox conspiracy (government/CIA intervention) and preternatural conspiracy (lock step western accordance is too perfect/ET story illogical).

    So if on one side of the Martenson Predicament Cube, we see a McCarthyist's nightmare come true, where the CCP has successfully infiltrated our country to destabilize it, well that lines up with much of the evidence. But if on the other side, we see aliens/demons and a courtier of sycophantic worshippers whom we call governors, well that has some merit, too. Also, who said these things are mutually exclusive? <Zoinkz, Scoob!>

    So Cui Bono? For what? I'm convinced that we are the resource. And this fits on either side of the Martenson Predicament Cube. On one side, there's a war for souls. They eat/feed on our negative emotions and very life essence (a fate worse than death). On the other side, well....I'll just drop the secret right now: the only thing that gives money any real value is the promise of future human labor. Yeah there's still a surplus of primary and secondary wealth around, but if you wipe that away:

    No Slaves = No Bond Market

    The financial dictatorship could fly it's flag in NYC, London, or now Shanghai. The bias template shifts, but the game is the same. There's just one thing: if we're the goal, why are they trying to kill us? Greedy bastards want it all, don't they?

    The "us vs them" narrative is unhealthy. It's a useful tool to a point, but I feel like psychological splitting becomes the result. Let's talk about solutions.

    If history is cyclical (probably more like a Fibonacci Spiral), and we have a model of Saeculums and Turnings, then what is the actually nature of a "solution". What if you could jam a sabot into the gears of the saeculum and perpetually freeze society on the first or second turning? Would that be considered a solution? I don't think so. It would be unnatural, just as it is unnatural for autumn and winter to be postponed, or perhaps death, the ultimate price we all pay. We could control the weather and conquer death. Make deluded misers of us all. Solomon has some words on this in Ecclesiastes.

    I don't believe in solutions, at least as we perceive them (from an Authoritarian Capitalist perspective). This society has created this concept of "static" answers to emergent cyclical problems. Vote with your dollar, one-size-fits-all, ice bucket challenges.

    Essential Observation: People claim to "believe" in evolution, yet they miss the premise that 99.99% of all species that have existed (past tense) are extinct. This means that to believe in evolution, you must first accept human extinction as an eventuality. Human supremacism seems really infantile in this light. Like, what are we working towards, if our entire species doesn't survive? Bobbleheads and corn chips?

    Essential Observation: Robin Dunbar's work essentially makes a case that humans are physiologically incapable of retaining a psychologically healthy mass society. What if the solution was for humanity to break up into tribal units of <5,000? Most people reject that, yet it's glaringly obvious.

    These types of essential observations make most proposed solutions non sequiturs.

    New Thought Experiment:
    The Cryptoterrestrial (Mac Tonnies) + Homo Capensis (Karen Hudes)
    What if there is an apex predator above human, who has become outnumbered over time, and their main purpose is to prevent us from exceeding the carrying capacity of the planet?

    The Time Machine (2002) - 800,000 Years of Evolution

    Who are you to question 800,000 years of evolution?

    I disagree with Robey, but not entirely.

     

    Post Script:
    Topics brought up in conversation - Related Resources

    The Gatto interview is long, but worth it.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 10:32am

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    Replying to Nothing new here, (#36)

    There really was something new here - at least new to me.

    When the internet first started I thought it was wonderful. It was so democratizing and free. Because of its democratizing effect, I fully expected that there would be attempts to censor and control it all. Of course, that happened.

    One thing that hadn't occurred to me is that it might all have been deliberate. In other words, the early freedom of the internet might have been a "bait and switch." The freedom allowed on the 'net brought people flooding into it. Once everyone was "in" and relying on it, the "freedom" was shut down and the internet was used as a tool of mass surveillance and control. That is what Icke suggests. He suggests that the whole thing was a massive "bait and switch" operation. That had never occurred to me. I am not sure that I agree with him but I would not put it past the jackals to do such a thing.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 10:55am

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    Aquila Virtue said:

    I think that this isn’t necessarily right to think in terms of one powerful group bureaucrats that has a masterplan executed precisely by pawn placed in key positions over the course of decades. However, I would go along with something that it’s human nature that people in decision making positions faced with more and more crisis (health, weather, economic, civil unrest, military) will naturally select to impose regulations, mandates, intervention and more taxes and bans to control the short term effects of these crisis and in order to keep the regime going until their next election or just long enough so that officials can pocket the benefits for their own via corruption and self-dealing. It’s just what monkeys do apparently when they are in any form of management. I would also say that, there’s evidence that’s there’s some level of central coordination of that worldwide but frankly it appears limited right now, although I could be wrong on that. Overtime, you are faced with an accumulation of bad short term policies and unquestionably reduced freedoms over the altar of the can kicked down the road. The more the whole thing is approaching change of regime, the more drastic and outrageous the interventions will be.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 11:07am

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    About 2/3 of the bottom of pyramid will do what they are told

    I'm open to criticism on my comments below.

    I'm guessing most know about the Milgram experiment. Here are a few videos on it, if you are unfamiliar.

    https://youtu.be/Kzd6Ew3TraA           Summary

    https://youtu.be/rdrKCilEhC0    Longer version

    https://youtu.be/Xxq4QtK3j0Y    Modern unscientific version

     

    I bring it up because it has been on my mind a bit recently. How could the bottom of the pyramid refuse to acquiesce when about 2/3 will go along with something so obviously terrible if told to?

    What if the requests from the authority...

    a.) aren't as directly terrible as shocking someone to death,

    b.) are explained as right action,

    c.) are backed up by all available data (mainstream media and censored internet),

    d.) are supported by friends and family and,

    e.) are imposed upon a populace that is clouded by the fog of strong emotions (fear) and have been trained their whole lives to follow orders from authority?

     

    Under those conditions, do you think more or less than 2/3 would follow those requests?

    I know that I am a terrible dinner party guest. I bring everyone down. I don't have the optimism that the bottom of the pyramid will refuse the requests of the top. I do believe that the top of the pyramid has enough power and tools to do what they want.

     

    Just because I want something to be the case, doesn't mean that it will. As an example, "The FED is going to get what it deserves!" There's not much evidence of that. Occupy Wall  Street looked like the start of the rebellion, a much needed rebellion, but nope.

    I don't want to be the person in the concentration camp saying, "See I told you that things were going to get better! Things are starting to turn around. They are letting us take showers."

    I don't mean any offense by that. I want to learn from history. It seems to me that the right choice of Jewish Germans in the 1930's was to get out of there. When you can't stop it, then get out of the way. None us can stop more than 2/3 of the populace following orders.

     

    The only hope that I see is if "they" over play their hand: too many terrible orders, too fast, with voices of descent able to sneak in public view, but "they" can just back off a bit allow things to settle down and try again or try a different way. My wife says that if they don't like the result of a vote, then they will just revote.

    Will

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 11:15am

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    Interviewee suggestion - Russell Brand

    May I suggest that you consider interviewing Russell Brand?  Your concerns align in some parts, but seem to differ in others, and I think it would be a very entertaining, and possibly educational, conversation.









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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 11:45am

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    Replying to Mike from Jersey.

    "In other words, the early freedom of the internet might have been a "bait and switch."

    Or just simple, classic market capture 101... Make something free or easily accessible - then put up the price when you're hooked in....

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 11:49am

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    Netlej

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    It's about the money for most people.

    Every whistleblower situation I have ever looked into talks about an environment of insecurity where everyone is afraid to speak out, afraid to question authority no matter how egregious the situation. They all recount how so and so lost their job for asking questions or stating something was wrong/bad/harmful.

    I don't know of a single person who would risk losing their job, who could afford to lose their job. Especially if it is a high paying job and doubly so in this current employment situation where pay is stagnant, benefits are going, going, gone, cost of living going up, uncertainty increasing every year.

    This is why people do what they do and it is true all the way up the ladder until you are in the million dollars a month club and even they feel the insecurity, maybe even more so.

    Maybe most of you have not ever been in a situation where you didn't know where your next check will come so you can pay rent/mortgage, food, car, phone, health care. Add in some children and the fear factor skyrockets. Anyone who has been there will do just about anything to insure that never happens again.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 12:03pm

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    Interview suggestions?

    Good suggestion DaveM - no pressure on Chris 😉

    I would add Dr John Campbell (I know he watches Chris's videos - but don't dis jabs...).

    Robert W Malone MD

    James Lyons-Weiler

    Dr Richard Flemming

    Kevin McCairn PhD (discoverer of the 'covid zombie').

    Dr Paul Cottrel.

    Brett Weinstein

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 12:08pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Replying to Interview suggestions? (#44)

    I would love to see an interview with Robert Malone.

    Definitely.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 12:42pm

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    davefairtex

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    great interview

    Great interview with David Icke.  Sorting out who "they" are is not an easy task.

    I need some time to think through what it all means.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 12:42pm

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    Debt is the shackles they use to control us

    https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/09/23/whats-the-plan-stan/

    ….The “sick” will be sent off to hospital-prisons, where they will be “treated,” like it or not. The building blocks of this regime are already being laid, as in Australia. As in the state of Washington, where it has come to light that an “isolation and quarantine facility” is being built – and jobs listings for “strike team” members have been posted. This isn’t Alex Jonesian “conspiracy theory.” It is publicly established fact.

    For the moment, no one is being forcibly “relocated” by these “strike teams” but the language is alarmingly suggestive – and so is the prior behavior of the various state and now federal Gesundheitsfuhrers, who are clearly bent on forcing compliance with their prescriptions.

    It would be prudent to prepare for what’s next – while hoping it never comes and doing all we can to prevent it from coming.

    If you are “locked out” from commerce – from your current job, from being able to shop at most stores – because you refuse to roll up your sleeve and present your “papers” – will you be able to provide the necessities for yourself and your family? Everyone – who isn’t willing to submit – is at risk from this threat and had better be thinking about it and what to do about it.

    The risk can be greatly reduced by lessening your dependence on your current job – if it is one that may become conditional upon the rolling up of your sleeve – and by making yourself more independent of stores that won’t permit you to shop, absent Proof of Jab.

    Many Americans are vulnerable – because they have bought into a lifestyle of debt-service that has made them dependent upon a high-paying job. They earn a lot, but it doesn’t accumulate, much – because of the endless expenses.

    How to continue paying the mortgage on the expensive house without a high-paying job?

    That is the trap, set carefully – many years ago. The very rich don’t have to work – which is what makes them independent. But one does not need to be very rich in order to not have to work for a corporate employer. To be at liberty to change jobs when a given job becomes unsatisfactory – or insufferable.

    Live in a smaller house, in a more affordable area and suddenly, you are rich – in terms of the freedom you now have, to say no.

    To do something else.

    Many people have been quietly doing this over the course of the past year or so. There has been a mass exodus of people away from the “hot spots” – of medical and financial  tyranny (in the form of usurious taxes, including property taxes) and toward areas of the country where one can live freer, for less – and often, better.

    The best scenario of all being home ownership – to the extent such is possible in a country that perpetually taxes things even after they have been paid for in full. Even so, to not have a monthly mortgage on a 1,500 square foot home will liberate you from the chains around your neck that come with the $1,500 per month mortgage payments on a 3,200 square foot home. If you own your home, they don’t own you. Even given the obnoxious taxes on what you own, which are far less than a mortgage payment – especially when not in addition to them.

    Most property taxes can be paid for via part-time work.

    If you don’t own your car, get one you do own.

    By selling the one you don’t.

    The market for used cars is bubblicious right now. Cash in – and pay off. Use what you have to buy what you can afford. Now you can afford to say no to any boss who tells you to Jab. Is having a touchscreen in your car worth being enserfed?

    Take your kids out of government schools – which you’ll be able to do now, because you can easily live on one income rather than two. Now they don’t own your kids. No more “masks” – and never a Jab.

    If you buy a home away from the hot spots, you will likely own some land along with it. Even if it’s only half an acre, that’s enough to have a garden and perhaps some poultry, to provide eggs, ongoing – greatly reducing your food dependence. You will also connect with people of like mind, build refusenik networks of people who have – like you – cut the ties that bind and who are thus much less vulnerable to being “locked out” of that which they have already kicked to the curb.

    We can do this. Provided we stop playing by their rules.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 12:46pm

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    davefairtex

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    agreed

    Yes; debt = slavery.

    Debt chains you to your current job.  If you lose your job, you lose everything that you've bought using borrowed money.

    So if you are in debt => you must take the shot.

    Debt = slavery.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 1:08pm

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    Ha

    You can always count on me to lower the tone 😎

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 1:41pm

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    An early court victory against unvaxx mandates

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/florida-judge-halts-citys-covid-19-vaccine-mandate_4011700.html

    A judge in Florida on Wednesday blocked a city’s COVID-19 mandate from taking effect.

    Circuit Judge Monica Brasington, a Sen. Rick Scott appointee, granted a request for an emergency injunction. That means the mandate, which was slated to take effect on Oct. 1, is blocked for now.

    “The city did not put on any evidence, at all, at the injunction hearing,” Brasington wrote in a 7-page ruling.

    “Without any evidence, the court is unable to consider whether the vaccine mandate serves a compelling interest through the least restrictive means, whether the vaccine mandate meets a strict scrutiny test, a rational basis test, or whether it meets any other standard,” she added.

    Gainesville’s City Commission on Aug. 5 decided all city employees needed to get vaccinated against the virus that causes COVID-19. A week later, City Manager Lee Feldman ordered employees to get at least one dose by Oct. 1 and be fully vaccinated by Oct. 14.

    More than 200 Gainesville employees sued, noting that the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines in stopping transmission of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus has stopped. They also said that the mandate did not make sense because many of them have natural immunity, or protection from having had COVID-19, and because area hospitals were not experiencing a shortage of beds.

    In a recent hearing, the employees argued that the mandate violated their right to privacy under the Florida Constitution.

    That means defendants have to show that the law “furthers a compelling state interest in the least restrictive way,” Judge Brasington said.

    But the city submitted no evidence, called no witnesses, and did not file any affidavits or declarations, leading the judge to rule in favor of the plaintiffs.….

    Unfortunately, the city probably didn’t didn’t put on any case because they know the judge(s) they’ll appeal to will rule for them.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 1:46pm

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    Even if this video has nothing to do with what we are talking about....

    it is still worth watching. Would you rob someone at gun point? Before this video, I would have said, "No."

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDtMMsFoHuY&ab_channel=DerrenBrown

    How much are we unknowingly being manipulated?

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 1:55pm

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    MariaDWhite

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    We must really be in trouble

    Let's get clear about this, Chris: you'd rather interview David "the Queen is a lizard" Icke than publicly admit that you are into the same game?

    Sure, mainstream media shutting down questions about lab leaks or certain drugs has been part of it. It has also been the other part of it that the other side has been gradually positioning themselves anti-vaccine, and you are part of that.

    Let's repeat this again, Chris, because it's worth repeating: you are a PhD in medicine, turned anti-vaccine. What the hell???

    I mean, I could believe that you have reached that conclusion looking at the data, but I just don't. First, because the data doesn't support it. Second, because, well, it's got you to the point that you are interviewing David "the Queen is a lizard" Icke. There's obviously something else going on.

    So, what is going on?

    I don't really know. I have a couple of half-baked theories.

    1. You (and just about everybody else) are trying to get people to "wake up" by forcing the issue. David Icke said it straight: "Well, I hope no one will follow me. This is how we got into this mess, following people." Then commenters showed how much attention they were paying and how much self-respect they have, by respecting David Icke and not respecting themselves enough to ask around their circle of friends looking for any nurses or doctors that could be first-hand witnesses to any questions they have on covid.

    2. One of the commenters said something about whether it's possible to keep a sane society at the scale it's being tried. I wonder if that's what's going on. It may not be so much a question of size, but of information pyramids. Enough inequality in the information pyramid, and you can't have a sane society. Maybe that's how it is. But if it really is a pandemic of madness what you are trying to prevent, it seems to me that you are doing it wrong. I mean, supposing that's what's going on, I'd hope a prepper site might be able to provide some info on how to weather that storm. I don't know, maybe I'm just being too naive here. How true is it that you can affect somebody's health by hypnotising them, or something along those lines? I have no idea. The problem might be far more complicated than it seems to me.

    3. If it's all about control, any techie can tell you that the way you know the chip that controls any circuit is the one with the most legs (the most inputs and outputs). So of course I believe that control is at the top, where people get the most info about public opinion and the most listeners. Where else would it be?

    4. But then, control may have become totally constrained by the environment, and that would be resource issues having complete dominion over our destiny, or something along those lines. Which again might explain the situation.

    I don't know if any of these ideas is about right, or a combination of them. Why can't somebody say things straight, for Chrissakes?

     

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 2:00pm

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    Reply to: An early court victory against unvaxx mandates

    A little legal explanation. This quote from the judge is crucial:

    “Without any evidence, the court is unable to consider whether the vaccine mandate serves a compelling interest through the least restrictive means, whether the vaccine mandate meets a strict scrutiny test, a rational basis test, or whether it meets any other standard,” she added. (Emphasis supplied by Mike from Jersey)

    The two clauses that I bolded are crucial. The "strict scrutiny" test is a test applied if a Constitutional right has been found to be violated. The "rational basis" test is a test applied if no Constitutional right has been found to have been violated.

    If the court applies the "strict scrutiny" test, the mandate will be found to be unconstitutional.

    If the court applies the "rational basis" test, then the mandate will be found to be constitutional.

    I won't go into a detailed explanation of that but, trust me, that is nuts-and-bolts Constitutional Law 101.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 2:04pm

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    Ision said:

    Are you really this far behind?

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 2:11pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Replying to We must really be in trouble (#52)

    MariaDWhite,

    You wrote:

    Then commenters showed how much attention they were paying and how much self-respect they have, by respecting David Icke and not respecting themselves enough to ask around their circle of friends looking for any nurses or doctors that could be first-hand witnesses to any questions they have on covid.

    That statement is simply not true. I have been asking doctors and nurses (as well as others) questions about Covid 19 and the vaccines. I know others on this site have been doing the same since I see their posts on this page over and over again.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 2:15pm

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    It's not just the sociopaths

    Sure, there are certainly savvy sociopaths whose plans for humanity spell ruins. But in the US have we not been at least complicit in the construction of their power penthouses? How many Iraqi children were bombed due to the yellowcake that didn't exist? Where was our outrage? The Libyan head of state was ghoulishly deposed and our government cackled. Where was our outrage? We flaunted our theft of Syrian oil. Crickets. We don't like so much the head of Venezuela so it's okay for us to decide for them who that should be, and, failing that, since their gold is in stored in London we can just take it. Silence.

    So now we face some purebred sociopaths who have ascended the escalator of corruption long under construction, and now see we are really in trouble. I see many hospital whistleblowers coming forward, and I sadly expect much more death. The painful times ahead could be a time of great spiritual progress, but as I see it, this must include the humility and realization of our own involvement. I read elsewhere that we may see many suicides among the good doctors and nurses as the consequences of their actions can no longer be overlooked. Their agony will be real.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 2:18pm

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    brushhog

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    The queen IS a lizard!

    Maria,

    These photos captured at Windsor castle tell a different story;

     

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 2:24pm

    Steven Kelso

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    Information Hierarchy

    Folks outside of the middle 50% of the bell curve aren't getting the jab.

    That's my anecdotal observation, anyways.
    Bias is a factor, obviously (Ignorance vs. Intelligence).

    I mean, I could believe that you have reached that conclusion looking at the data, but I just don't. First, because the data doesn't support it.

    Could you please clarify this?

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 2:28pm

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    Ironic that I got Covid from a double jabbed colleague

    Just got my result that I’m C19 positive.

    I work at a mining camp in northern BC where I shared a bathroom with a guy (double injected) that was coughing for days and then tested positive. They got me to do a rapid test which was negative but I was feeling OK at that time.

    Got home and started feeling rough. Crushed it using the FLCCC I Mask+ protocol outpatient treatment (page 2). Took 0.4mg/kg IVM pony paste (about 6 notches on the plunger) once a day.

    Felt improvement immediately and much better after 4 days. Stopped the daily IVM after day four but continued all the supplements, mouth gargles and nasal spray.

    Dr Peter McCullough is really talking up the gargles and spray which is interesting.

    Slight cough now but feel pretty good.

    Glad to have tested the home treatment kit and looking forward to getting an antibody test next week.

    My wife (unjabbed as well) and I live in a 600’ apartment where I coughed all over her for days and she got nothing. She’s all sad about that but may have already had it last year. She’s getting an antibody test next week as well.

    All in all 👍👍 for FLCCC I Mask+

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 2:28pm

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    disagree somewhat

    Dave said - "Debt chains you to your current job". This might be true in the "West", I say might because a large % of labor does not make enough to incur debt therefore it is that next paycheck that chains those people to their current job.

    Globally over 80% of the population lives on $10 or less per day, half of them, 3+ billion on $2 or less. The vast majority of the population of the world has no debt but must do absolutely anything possible for money or watch their children die a slow death.

    Debt slavery is indeed a thing but it is the US/Uk and their close allies who decides who gets money(and lives) and who does not (and dies). Look at Iraq, Venezuela, dozens of other examples, and currently Yemen ... if you can.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 2:36pm

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    Ision said:

    Good God!  I'm in the upper 1.5% of Humanity.
    This explains my bad attitude.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 2:46pm

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    Great interview Chris!!!!

    Now that we went down this rabbit hole together can PLEASE interview next:

    1) Chris Duane - “greatest truth never told”’(silver shield)

    2) Max Keiser & Stacey Herbert

    I think they can add dimension and more  solutions to the tribe

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 3:56pm

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    Chris + Bret W

    I vote for Chris and Bret to dissect all this -- it'd be stellar... with sushi-carving precision.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 3:58pm

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    Speaking of control...

    Remember how the FDA vaccine advisory panel rejected boosters for people 15-65? The panel of experts from the field? The people who truly follow the science?

    OVERRULED.

    https://trialsitenews.com/booster-program-decision-cdcs-director-walensky-goes-against-her-own-acip-aligning-with-fda-potus-and-pfizer/

    Thank goodness we have a captured bureaucracy that can make decisions independent of these troublesome "experts" and their "science".

    After a lengthy series of deliberations, the majority of the ACIP members opted not to include health care workers, teachers, and other cohorts that could be classified as at-risk. Deviating from the FDA’s findings, as well as the White House’s already announced intentions, the ACIP took a more cautious, data-driven approach to their decision-making. Importantly, in many cases, the dearth of data perhaps leads ACIP members to err on the side of caution.

    But in a controversial and rare move, the CDC director rejected her own advisory panel’s intensely deliberated decision to limit the reach of the booster program at this point in time.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 4:10pm

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    FDA goes agaisnt the science

    Yes, it clearly not following the science - Never the less, mass death will be caused , but most that took the shot are going to die anyway.   The  unvaxxed will die too because of this - but some will survive.

    Biden praises the FDA.  while not following the science - Biden has a long list of dirt and bad policy.  So, whatever he thinks, doing the opposite is likely moral and legal thing to do.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 4:19pm

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    Half Baked Logic

    Let's get clear about this, Chris: you'd rather interview David "the Queen is a lizard" Icke than publicly admit that you are into the same game?

    This false dichotomy is risible.  You're welcome to your opinions  about David Icke,  but your projection of outrage or discomfort about Chris interviewing him fails to account for Chris' extensive preamble about the value of gleaning useful information from alternative voices particularly censored, ones or ones that you don't agree with in all or in part and that in so doing does not mean that you endorse everything (or anything) they believe.

    Sure, mainstream media shutting down questions about lab leaks or certain drugs has been part of it. It has also been the other part of it that the other side has been gradually positioning themselves anti-vaccine, and you are part of that.

    This is a false equivalency, understates the mendacity of the organized disinformation campaign by the MSM and discounts the evidence that has emerged regarding the dangers of the "Vaccine" particularly in light of the availability of effective therapeutics that the Government and MSM are actively suppressing.

    Let's repeat this again, Chris, because it's worth repeating: you are a PhD in medicine, turned anti-vaccine. What the hell???

    I mean, I could believe that you have reached that conclusion looking at the data, but I just don't. First, because the data doesn't support it. Second, because, well, it's got you to the point that you are interviewing David "the Queen is a lizard" Icke. There's obviously something else going on.

    False assertion compounded with a false dichotomy.  I would suggest that you're either not looking at or don't understand the data or you are rejecting the data that has been presented ad naseum here by Chris and others due to an emotional belief system. Or more likely, some combination of all of the above.

    So, what is going on?

    I don't really know. I have a couple of half-baked theories.

    This I agree with!

    mm

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 4:43pm

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    Acquiesce -- head splinter

    I can't seem to shake the word.  But it pretty much sums up we and they and them and us.   Maybe the prophetic NWO  book should have been titled "THE ACQUIESCED"   It just really sounds like what happened here.   Or maybe "THE VACQUIESCED."

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 5:01pm

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    whoknew79 said:

    Can you send me some links of videos or posts written by David that reference lizard people? I didn't know that he said things like that.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 5:02pm

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    LK1E Emerson said:

    Thanks for yourcomment. Re turning off the TV... I agree.  My husband and I have not had one for a decade.  We can choose to watch videos, like Peak Prosperity, but we are not tethered to the TV. We do not respond to beeps on a phone tied to the body like a pacemaker.  In fact, my phone is only on when I wish to make a call. Meanwhile, a close relative cries while listening to mainstream news...and takes anti anxiety medicines and high blood pressure pills.   Just a personal anecdote.

     

    We moved 10 years ago to a remote location where are 3/4 self sufficient, so have much less stress than those who watch the news and experience the disease, inflation, shut downs, and escalating prejudices.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 5:07pm

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    A more hopeful interpretation

    I have listened to David Icke over the years and been impressed with many of his ideas, particularly around the nature of consciousness. He famously says, “know the outcome and you’ll see the journey”. I think it is relatively easy to interpret the bizarre response of western governments to Covid and interpret this as yet another step towards a dystopian future – one where a small cabal of elites own all the marbles, and the rest of humanity lives in a dystopian “Hunger Games” type of scenario.

    We may end up with that type of reality at some point in time – but it wouldn’t be by design. Think about it. The elite may be comprised of a disproportionate number of sociopaths and psychopaths – but they also want to be able to enjoy the diversity of the planet. Living a life of relative exile behind impregnable security fences while the rest of humanity toils in despair, poverty, and desperation is no life for anyone. We may get there, but it is more likely to be a function of ecological and resource collapse rather than by design as David Icke surmises.

    A more plausible explanation for what we are seeing is one that Chris has posited: that elites are well aware – because they have disclosed this through the World Economic Forum – that we are facing resources challenges. We’ll need three planets by 2050 if we continue to consume at present levels. Something needs to be done to reel in the human condition. One could think that the type of draconian actions taken by western governments are a first step in that direction: a proverbial shot across the bow to get a population accustomed to restrictions on their liberty and freedom. The next shoe to fall could be a climate card, which may result in far greater restrictions in the interest of reducing our draw on resources, saving future generations if not the planet itself.

    The problem with these scenarios is that they require a level of collusion and cooperation between political “leaders” that is frankly improbable. It is highly unlikely that all heads of government are quietly and secretly participating in conversations with representatives of the WEF or the elites. If these conversations were transpiring, something would leak at some point – it would be impossible to keep such a bold plan, to essentially reduce consumption and consumerism, from leaking out.

    There has also been speculation that the vaccine is part of a plot to depopulate the planet. Think about that too. Everything that governments are doing, presumably at the will of the elites, is about saving lives.  While the WEF and elites may think two or three billion less on the planet would be a good thing, the actions being taken in response to Covid are the very opposite. If depopulation were the agenda, it would have been more profitable to have understated the health risk and allowed the virus to spread unchecked. Or even better, unleash a version that had a much higher case fatality rate – and then rush in with a vaccine when depopulation targets have been hit.

    In my country, we have just re-elected a Liberal government under Trudeau. Chris has pointed out that the actions being taken to encourage everyone to take the vax target small to medium sized businesses. Is that because our government – and other governments – want to eliminate these crucial business in the interest of large global companies? No. Unfortunately that is the business segment that can be targeted as a way to motive non vaxers to get their jab – restaurants, gyms, public arenas, etc. Our government can’t target large businesses like Walmart, Cosco, Business Depot and certainly not grocery food chains. To do so would be to deprive individuals who have opted out of vaccination for whatever reasons from actually living. That would be pure evil. That in my opinion is not the intent.

    So what is going on?

    I submit to this group – this tribe as Chis refers to us – that what we are witnessing is human emotion and the premature institutionalization of a narrative around Covid. That narrative was hammered out 12 to 18 months ago, and it basically promoted the idea that this virus is extremely dangerous, particularly to older individuals. Once an idea is institutionalized, it means government and big business rallies around it. Changing that narrative takes a lot of time and effort – because opposing or detracting viewpoints are derided and rejected at every opportunity. Exactly what we are seeing with the Covid response.

    Nina Teicholz does an excellent job of showing how ideas get institutionalized in her book: The Big Fat Surprise, which destroys the conventional wisdom around eating saturated fats. To this day, despite a great deal of new information most people still avoid high fat dairy and meat because they believe it to be unhealthy and likely to cause high cholesterol and heart disease. This idea was institutionalized by self-serving packaged goods companies that were not interested in promoting what is correct or right, but a narrative that favored their unhealthy food product(s). Doctors, health advisors, and nutritionists still advise against a diet high in fat.

    I don’t think it is a stretch to suggest that we are seeing a similar response to Covid. Government “leaders” aren’t trying to destroy SMBs and march their populations into servitude – to do so would be an unelectable platform that will in short order ensure they are removed from office.

    Instead, politicians are responding to an idea that “we” have been far to quick to institutionalize. Being politicians – taking actions they believe will be optically in their best interest – they will take drastic actions to ensure the elderly and children are protected at any cost. They simply can’t and won’t take a chance that Covid could be rather benign – because the endorsed, institutionalized narrative says otherwise. This is not evil, it is the action of misinformed and risk adverse public officials responding to an extremely emotional issue: the protection of the most vulnerable in our society.

    I would prefer to believe that this is closer to the truth than attributing the draconian Covid response of western governments to some plot by the elites to enslave humanity; it seems more hopeful.

    But I could be wrong.

     

     

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 5:31pm

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    Goodsalt said:

    • I read this 21 years ago, even before The Crash Course and amazingly, it's still around.  His lens included and was largely based on the end of oil.  He predicted the elites would have to unleash a bioweapon once the effects of the loss became hard to ignore.
    • https://dieoff.com/page185.htm

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 5:40pm

    Netlej

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    control

    DKN - I saw that too. PBS radio made it sound like the decision was universally in favor.

    I am beside myself... and I just want to smack that myself up-side the head.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 6:39pm

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    Looking up the skirt

    we see as far as the knees and get very excited.

    The Assumption that David makes is that the top of the pyramidal society are "psychopaths".

    They are not. At the knees we find the Mantids. They are insects, not psychopaths. Pyramidal societies are Insect societies. (Ref Dr. David Jacobs, et al.)

    Who knows what lies further up the skirt. I certainly don't. The imagination boggles.

    The difference between David's view and mine is that I Know that my bubble of knowledge is incomplete, and am content to chip away at the walls. David thinks he has all the answers. He will have to agree with me when I say that he hasn't.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 6:40pm

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    Icke's Shapeshifting Lizard People

    whoknew --

    David Icke has claimed for decades that the world is run by a secret cabal of shapeshifting lizard aliens:

    Thousands of years ago, the reptilian beings [from the constellations Orion, Sirius, and Draco] intervened on planet Earth and began interbreeding with humans. Not physically, however, but rather through the manipulation of the human coding, or DNA.

    You can get a full background on Icke's proclamations over his life here

    https://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/10/17/david-ickes-theory-of-the-reptilian-human-hybrid-apocalypse/#_

    To your request, here's one of many videos in which you can find Icke defending & affirming his belief in a sinister alien lizard race controlling humanity's destiny:





    He's known for many other outrageous claims, including announcing on TV back in the early 1990s that he was the 'the Godhead in a physical body' (comparing himself to Jesus) and that a planetary calamity was imminent -- which of course didn't happen





    Can this site claim intellectual integrity when willing to invite someone like Icke on as a featured interview guest?

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 6:53pm

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    More Lipstick, Maria.

    Your tone is awfully masculine.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 7:17pm

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    Icke has an amazing record of being outrageously wrong.

    This nut job has been wrong so much with his outrageous claims I refuse to give him any attention. He needs to be cut off of making money and fame by being an utter crackpot. I've been so sick of his bullshit that never happens and gets invalidated because of it. I don't know how people try again with someone who has repeatedly shown how he is. Yes, Einstein had it right: More of the same expecting different results. Come on now. I'd rather listen to Biden and Trump than him.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 7:27pm

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    Solutions

    Problems have solutions. Predicaments have outcomes.

    Or somesuch. (Apologies Dr. Martenson)

    And seeing I am in the mood for quotes, From Ingo Swann "Resurrecting the mysterious"

    It is good to always bear in mind that the denial of matter and the physical creates just as many lunatics as does the denial of the paranormal

    I pick it from a rich treasure of beautiful quotes.

    Further; because I reject the entire edifice of Abrahamic monotheism, I recognize no "Satan".

    All evil stems from the stupidity of people who follow the priests.

    Our Oera Linda.

    So you want a solution to our predicament? Attack it's assumptions vigorously.

    Attack the notion that we are condemned to remain on the surface of this microscopic Orb. Attack Einstein's "Bent Nothingness" daydream. Attack all physics "Models". (No Gladys, LIEGO didn't detect movements 1/200 the diameter of a so-called neutron over several kilometers.)

    Attack the notion that the sun is a great nuclear fireball in the sky. Ref The SAFIRE experiment.

    Dust off Dr. Gerard K O'Neil's solution. We have to take Gaia off-world. It is for this reason and this reason alone that she tolerates our existence. (And No. Mars is not a destination. The Void is.)

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 8:24pm

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    Lizard Brain ~ a reflexive response

    This nut job has been wrong so much with his outrageous claims I refuse to give him any attention. He needs to be cut off of making money and fame by being an utter crackpot. I've been so sick of his bullshit that never happens and gets invalidated because of it. I don't know how people try again with someone who has repeatedly shown how he is. Yes, Einstein had it right: More of the same expecting different results. Come on now. I'd rather listen to Biden and Trump than him.    ~Sedona Dennis

    And

    Can this site claim intellectual integrity when willing to invite someone like Icke on as a featured interview guest?  ~Cbeach

    The short answer is yes, based on everything Chris prefaced his interview with.

    I for one don't believe in space lizards, although I'll confess, The prevalence of Hillary Clinton and John Bolton types in the halls of power, does give one pause..

    Someone Like Icke can be fantastically wrong about many things and still be correct about others and have useable insights as I think this interview proves.  It is not an accident that Genius is often correlated with mental illness, Visions, hallucinations etc.  Would you object to Chris interviewing William Blake, Nitzche  or Nikola Tesla?

    Indeed, I think the value of David Icke's insights in this interview maybe a direct function of what you see as his crazy wiring.

    "Mental health research claims that individuals experiencing various states of psychosis will filter stimuli differently than the average person. Psychosis allows the human brain ‘to ponder contradictory ideas simultaneously and gain insight into loose associations that the general unconscious brain would likely not consider worthy of sending to consciousness."

    This is not unlike the insights one potentially gains from hallucinatory experience, Aldous Huxley one of the twentieth Century's greatest intellectual visionaries who's Brave New World vision we are now unfortunately  living  was interestingly enough,  a big fan of the mescaline!

    Also curious, apparently DMT and Ayahusaca reportedly produce transformative out of body experiences, that include very common repeatable 'experiences' to include talking lizard guides..

    At any rate,  I evaluate everything, on it's own merits.  I also weight any information I have about the source. In the case of Icke, I factor his certitude and confirmation bias evident in his persistence of the lizard theory over time more importantly than the "craziness" of the theory itself.  that tells me about his tendency to "fit" observations to his "facts." Still,  I found this interview to have some very interesting and valuable insights and I came away richer in my own tool kit in my ongoing search for truth.

    I don't go into any interview thinking anyone has all the answers, I assume they are describing the part of the Elephant that they can sense, with the worldview they have.  I trust myself to filter and evaluate accordingly.

    mm

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 9:04pm

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    and yet

    It does seem to be about control.  And many of the things he said in this interview do seem to match up.

    Here's the really funny thing.  The more people come out of the woodwork to bash him ("OMG!  The Queen of England is a lizard!") the more I want to listen to the interview again.  Its as if - even if he gets the lizard thing wrong - who knows, maybe they are insects, like Arthur says - his framing is accurate enough, it represents some serious danger to "someone."

    Certainly they say something similar about Martin Armstrong.  "But he was in prison!"  Sure.  But is he right?  At this point, that's my sole focus.  "Is he right?"

    Just last year - say in March - I assumed CDC, FDA, and NIH were there to keep us healthy.  When Raoult came up with HCQ+AZI, NIH would run off and test it in a quick 2-month trial and save America.  Boy, was I wrong.  "Outrageously" wrong.  So after my 18-month outrageously wrong-about-NIH COVID experience, I now wonder - what else have I been wrong about?

    I mean, we all know UFOs exist.  What if they are playing some role in human history that we don't quite understand?  Certainly I'm leaving that option open.  That's why I don't bash Arthur for his contributions.  He could end up being right.  The extent of the UFO influence on this planet is a known-unknown.  My mind remains open.  Especially after COVID.

    Thanks for the flak.  That's one of my filters during the Fourth Turning: if you try to close my Overton Window, my response: look more closely.

    I was wrong about NIH early last year.  Outrageously wrong.  I mean - who would have predicted "NO TREATMENTS FOR YOU!"  Not me.  So I could certainly be wrong about Lizards too.  Or Insects.  Or whatever.

    I'm definitely going to listen to the interview again.  This time, I think I'll take notes.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 9:26pm

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    Space lizards?

    Many years ago, I think it was about 2007, I met a young woman who was on her way to a David Icke sponsored event. I expressed that I didn't believe that Queen Elizabeth is really a space lizard. She insisted that only a neophyte would take this seriously, and that anyone who really knew Icke would understand that it's just a metaphor. It's Icke's way of saying that these people have no soul because they're psychopathic.

    Not being an inner member of the circle myself, I don't really know... but this seems consistent with the way Icke presents himself in this interview, which is very level-headed.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 9:49pm

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    that works

    She insisted that only a neophyte would take this seriously, and that anyone who really knew Icke would understand that it's just a metaphor. It's Icke's way of saying that these people have no soul because they're psychopathic.

    That works for me too.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 9:54pm

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    Why not Flat Earthers then? And why not a conventional doctor?

    mememonkey wrote:

    The short answer is yes, based on everything Chris prefaced his interview with

    Someone Like Icke can be fantastically wrong about many things and still be correct about others and have useable insights as I think this interview proves.  It is not an accident that Genius is often correlated with mental illness, Visions, hallucinations etc.

    Well, by that logic, why doesn't Chris bring on one of those Flat Earthers he frequently derides?

    Honestly, their theory is more believable than many of Icke's...

    mememonkey also wrote:

    Would you object to Chris interviewing William Blake, Nitzche  or Nikola Tesla?

    Not at all...because they effected their thinking into demonstrated works that proved truly transformative -- Blake created masterworks, Nitzche's logic survived peer review, Telsa made AC a reality.

    What has Icke brought into the world besides decades of bunkum?

    And last question -- why interview a rando like Icke before bringing on a senior medical doctor from a hospital busy treating COVID patients?

    Seems that a respectful debate with a licensed professional who holds a different perspective than Chris (pro-vaccine, anti-IVM) on the key focus of this site would be far more valuable right now. Curious why that hasn't happened yet.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 10:04pm

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    Time2help said:

    "Instead, politicians are responding to an idea that “we” have been far to quick to institutionalize. Being politicians – taking actions they believe will be optically in their best interest – they will take drastic actions to ensure the elderly and children are protected at any cost. They simply can’t and won’t take a chance that Covid could be rather benign – because the endorsed, institutionalized narrative says otherwise. This is not evil, it is the action of misinformed and risk adverse public officials responding to an extremely emotional issue: the protection of the most vulnerable in our society."

    They are evil as fuck.

    The upper echelons comprise, quite literally, a death cult.

    I am not a fan of David Icke...and yet this is one of your best interviews yet Chris.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 10:12pm

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    senior medical doctor interview

    And last question -- why interview a rando like Icke before bringing on a senior medical doctor from a hospital busy treating COVID patients?

    It turns out, Chris already did that.  Guy named Pierre Kory.  I guess you missed that one.

    Seems that a respectful debate with a licensed professional who holds a different perspective than Chris (pro-vaccine, anti-IVM) on the key focus of this site would be far more valuable right now. Curious why that hasn't happened yet.

    Well, because the CFR for the pro-vaccine anti-IVM "conventional docs" are pretty pathetic.  That would be one reason.  "Remdesivir and ventilators for everyone!  Dexamethasone 6mg, just like that UK trial!"  But doc - shots for children - who aren't at risk?  What about risk/benefit analysis?  "Take the freaking shot!"  How about COVID-recovered immunity?  "Didn't you hear me?  TAKE THE FREAKING SHOT!  NO EXCEPTIONS!"  Oh, ok.  Thanks doc.

    While we're at it, we could ask Chris to interview Admiral Kimmel or General Short on "how best to protect Hawaii from a sneak attack from Japanese carrier-based aircraft."

    This really is all about control.  The mainstream is so hypnotized that we can learn nothing useful from them, except - as Icke might say - to gather information about what those in charge of the narrative want us to do.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 10:36pm

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    Australian Morons

    We are being lead by Morons, this is true.  I just cant figure why Australia is first? I also cant figure why we are being so compliant and disrespectful of ourselves.

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 10:43pm

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    why aussie first?

    My understanding is they are going to push the "great  reset" as fast as they can. Your system allows it to pushed faster , first.  You gave up your guns, that makes it a bit easier.  Also, the police are easier to make complicit for one reason or another ( I keep asking myself  ) WTF is wrong with those cops.   We dont have that across the board here in the US.  But your caving with ease is really hurting the rest of us.  we will get the screws torqued faster and harder now.

    I am telling you, if the cops pulled this shit here - on me - there would be dead cops very very fast.   This shit where you cant leave home , are rationed alcohol ,"CANT FUCKING Protest"  and that is incitement, is utter bullshit.    I can tell you what is inciting to me - is your fucking police and governors , not your protests.

    I don't care, I would never allow to be treated this way. I may end up dead, but i am bringing a lot of these fucks with me.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 11:07pm

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    The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude Étienne de La Boétie (1530-1563)

    https://selfdefinition.org/psychology/etienne-de-la-boetie/contents.htm

    Part I

    The fundamental political question is why do people obey a government. The answer is that they tend to enslave themselves, to let themselves be governed by tyrants. Freedom from servitude comes not from violent action, but from the refusal to serve. Tyrants fall when the people withdraw their support.

    Part II

    Liberty is the natural condition of the people. Servitude, however, is fostered when people are raised in subjection. People are trained to adore rulers. While freedom is forgotten by many, there are always some who will never submit.

    Part III

    If things are to change, one must realize the extent to which the foundation of tyranny lies in the vast networks of corrupted people with an interest in maintaining tyranny.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 11:15pm

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    BigBlue Narrow View

    mememonkey wrote:

    The short answer is yes, based on everything Chris prefaced his interview with

    Someone Like Icke can be fantastically wrong about many things and still be correct about others and have useable insights as I think this interview proves.  It is not an accident that Genius is often correlated with mental illness, Visions, hallucinations etc.

    Well, by that logic, why doesn't Chris bring one of those Flat Earthers he frequently derides? Honestly, their theory is more believable than many of Icke's...

    What has Icke brought into the world besides decades of bunkum?

    And last question -- why interview a rando like Icke before bringing on a senior medical doctor from a hospital busy treating COVID patients?  ~BigBlue

    If logic is your criteria, then don't rely on a straw man argument to refute my point.

    I didn't notice in the interview where Chris, explored the lizard theory,  perhaps you listened more closely than I did?

    I suspect Chris would happily interview a flat earther If they had something interesting to say or were actively doing something, that was relevant to current events, or say perhaps had a record of predictions that now seem eerily prescient.

    "Today’s guest has been invited because he was saying that we’d see the emergence of a bio-security police state, a push for transhumanism, and the loss of freedom and imposition of digital tyranny since well before Covid came onto the scene." ~Chris Martenson

    Or is that bunkum?

     

    mm

     

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  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 11:46pm

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    Re: More Lipstick, Maria

    Sexist much Arthur? Does she really have to keep to a "Feminine Tone?" Degrading response.... I thought we were past this shit.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 12:26am

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    What can I say?

    I only knew of stigma against Icke. I have to admit I went into the interview with doubts and he delivered no doubt. We live in crazy town. Made this one the other day.....

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 12:29am

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    heh

    I think was just Arthur's way of speculating that "Maria" may not in fact be female.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 12:35am

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    reply to nordicjack: why aussie first? Aus started as a penal colony...

    Being beaten to submit to "the man" is, I suspect, deep in their Egregore.  Despite their machismo, as a country they have a lot of training in kneeling. They have been awaiting a new Master for a long time.

    As Jung pointed out, racial/institutional memory which is not worked out tends to live on in the collective unconscious.  I imagine you have noticed that alcoholism, incest, and other unexorcised demons tend to reincarnate, repeatedly, in certain family trees.

    In the United States, the predominant Egregore is embodied in "land of the free and home of the brave" and all those stories of revolution and frontier life which come with the territory.  It remains to be seen whether Our Masters, or Our Egregore, will prevail.

    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to relive it." -Santayana

    https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.149153/2015.149153.The-Rise-And-Fall-Of-The-Third-Reich_djvu.txt

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 1:09am

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    Hi Jane.

    In fact I am a sexist and a racist and I can prove it.

    Studies were done flashing images up on a screen at the limits of time perception. The pictures were so fast that the conscious mind was unable to perceive them. When pressed it was found that the subjects were able to first; identify the sex of the image and second; the race of the image as the images were left up for longer periods. (I was not a subject.)

    But Dave was correct. I was casting aspersions. I know what My sex is, but you can only assume that I am male. But I trust that your intuition leads you to believe from the style and tone of my writing that I am indeed male.

    I assume that you, Jane, are female. But how would I know?

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 1:22am

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    Merecenaries in Oz?

    I have been reading rumours from various sources of paid mercenaries in Oz who are playing dress up cop. No proof. Makes sense to me though. The whole over the top police brutality thing has not sat well with me from the get go. For sure there are some zealot cops who will follow orders to the max, but what we are seeing happen in Oz is just so extreme. Looking at videos and pics [if they are to be believed and not propaganda] I do not see your average cops from a largely unarmed Commonwealth country. Maybe I am naive, but I cannot ever imagine cops in Canada standing together in a row shooting fleeing people & kids in the back with rubber bullets. That does not compute, on any level...

    Hells bells, cops at our protests stop and talk to us and ask us if we are staying hydrated!! Seriously!

    No, these are not regular cops. No way. I see militarized police and special forces, highly trained, executing tactical operations with precision and every increasing force clearly meant to intimidate and suppress dissent.

    Mercenaries have long been used in the middle east and elsewhere to support / drive hidden agendas. It is perfectly conceivable they are being used in Oz to quell rising dissent. This too must be seen as part of the propaganda campaign - overt messaging to cower others who are watching from afar.

    Yes, it really is about control.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 1:28am

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    Hi BigBlue.

    Honestly, their theory is more believable than many of Icke's...

    I do believe that you are making an appeal to incredulity. I come across that all the time.

    Of cause appeals to incredulity are not valid arguments. However I permit that they could be backed up with Intuition, but then you would have to concede that Intuition is real; and thereby concede that Mantids might exist.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 1:30am

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    The lizard people

    I haven't seen this many theoretically paid shills crawling out from underneath their rocks here, in a long time. I like the quote that Dr. Lee Merritt often uses: "when you're taking lots of flack, you can be pretty sure that you're right over the target."

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 2:21am

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    Arthur

    Arthur said: "I trust that your intuition leads you to believe from the style and tone of my writing that I am indeed male."

    Nope. Style and tone of writing have nothing to do with physical sex. Maybe they did in the pink frilly apron 1950s but not any more (though George Eliot proved that premise wrong 100 years earlier). Content, yes, when PP members start talking about their b*lls going off on ski trips. But not style and tone. What style and tone are you claiming as exclusively masculine?

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 2:46am

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    Gregory said:

    *everything* we're seeing in Oz and indeed in the U.S. was seen in 2019 in Hong Kong. police infiltrating and prodding violent acts from peaceful protesters. police pretending to be rioters destroying private property (caught on tape). chinese military masquerading as Hong Kong police (first hand knowledge). tear gas and rubber bullets. pushing people to the ground. soaking people, young and old alike, with pepper spray. people who watched the happenings in Hong Kong will recognise it around the world.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 2:53am

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    Brave and commendable interview

    Chris, I’m absolutely delighted to see that you’ve been open-minded enough to interview David Icke. In spite of much ridicule from friends and family, I started listening to him just over a year ago, (when it became obvious that things didn’t add up), and, whilst I do wear a mask, and I do believe that a virus was released, I find his ideas interesting - compelling, even. It’s obvious that he was right about one thing: this is not about health. The man was well ahead of the curve and predicted much of what is now unfolding.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 2:58am

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    Lovin' it!

    I'm totally diggin' this thread, despite it's ominous origins.  I've never delved into Icke's suppositions even though the sweetheart- that's right, the one who keeps her tin-foil hat in a Faraday cage- has many of his books.  Great interview (Icke allowed you to get in a couple questions) and a greater thoughtful- mostly- response from the tribe.  Well played all!  Aloha, Steve

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 4:46am

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    Canuk

    You are right. I am told that Japanese womenfolk used to study male actors impersonating females in order to learn how to be feminine.

    How convenient it would be to impersonate a female on a thread in order to rely on white knights rushing to your aid.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 4:51am

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    Spectacular Volcanoes and Other Important Subjects.

    Come for the eye candy; stay for the propaganda.

    Observe someone explain to us why we must give up our Freedoms and enjoy the benefits of living in a pyramidical insect society.

    I'll pass. Giving up my freedom is an offence to my Gods. Lose it and squeeze out your ulcers for a very long time.





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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 4:56am

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    Cryptocurrency could be the same

    I often have wondered why crypto has been left to develop without interference.

    Given this idea the internet was permitted to freely develop with an intent to ultimately control(bait and switch), then why not apply the same concept to crypto?

    More control is coming.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 5:02am

    You've been Nudged...!

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    Humans are 'hackable animals'...

    Humans are 'hackable animals' & the need to 'reinvent democracy' are points which Ice Age Farmer has brought up in a recent video, which ties in with some of David Icke's comments:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/34AVwjWe8joH/

    As the UK government regards outfits like Cambridge Analytica as "weapons-grade technology", it is wise not to underestimate the capabilities of these 'nudge units' and their ability to shape both sides of the narrative...

    Neil Sanders is a bit of an authority on the subject - despite his lefty bias:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Your-Thoughts-Are-Not-Own-ebook/dp/B00IC5HXCS

     

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 5:09am

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    petcat said:

    You are correct, from QLD lady in Oz.

     

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 6:22am

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    Government dependency

    A culture of government dependency is one that promotes and facilitates slavery.  When people allow, even demand government provide for them, they have been bought into slavery.  When people make government their "god," servitude becomes the calling and the following.   Our once great Country was founded not upon  "rights" provided by government, but those given freely by God.

    The Old Testament tells the story of God's people being led from lives of bondage and slavery.  Read Proverbs 1, https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+1&version=NIV  the dates and times may have changed, our needs  eerily similar.   TPTB fool themselves and their followers.  Until hearts and minds are opened and changed, evil will flourish.  Our founding father's knew, understood, and promoted God's will for us as a nation and peoples, evidenced by our Constitution.   A Spirit freed leads to a life of freedom.  If you haven't already, read the Gospel of John, read Paul's letter to the Romans. Takes but a few minutes, the impact potentially profound.  Resiliency is good, peace better, His Spirit and freedom the best.  Man's control is overcome in the Word.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ,

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 6:39am

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    "Throw in a quarter and listen to the rant". Agreed.

    Some people love listening to other people rant.  I guess they lay back and let it wash over them.  I find it obnoxious myself; even though I agree with most of what Icke said in the half of it I listened to.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 7:04am

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    "Paid shills"

    I think conspiracy theories about paid shills do more harm than conspiracy theories about lizard people.  Unless it looks like an automated response, or that it's trying to sell something, a comment is most likely genuine.

    If anything, it's people who immediately pipe up with "look at all the Russian bots!" or "look at all the paid shills!" who are the most suspect.  They're the ones using one of the Establishment's favourite tools for shutting down opposing voices.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 7:18am

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    Arthur

    I agree totally with you on that point. My point is simply that you cannot tell if a poster is male or female simply based on the style and tone of language they use. For example, the "bleating confusion" approach I have encountered lately on internet forums, which I suspect is used by trolls, has been used by posters with both male and female "names".

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 7:36am

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    Presented without comment

     I've been so sick of his bullshit that never happens and gets invalidated because of it. I don't know how people try again with someone who has repeatedly shown how he is. Yes, Einstein had it right: More of the same expecting different results

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 7:44am

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    Vaquiesce.

    Resistance is futile 🤖
    You will all vaquiesce.

    They’re not lizards, they’re Borg

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 7:53am

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    Keep your eye on the ball (not the lizard people)

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 8:05am

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    Vaquiesce!!

    Tycer, that's brilliant.  And probably all yours.  It doesn't surface on Google or DuckDuckGo at all.  I'm going to a rally tomorrow.  I'm making up a sign -

    I WILL NOT

    VAQUIESCE

    edited:  Thank you nordicjack!

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 8:17am

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    H/T nordicjack

    Post 67 nordicjack coined the phrase.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 8:23am

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    Push is definitely coming to shove

    Who would have believed we are finally here.  Perhaps this is what we all needed. For the longest time my biggest worry was humanity mindlessly heading off a cliff while tangled up in a fit of greed and incompetence.  Seems like things much more sinister really are afoot.

    The relentless drive for vaccinations and the over the top suppression cheap, effective, off the shelf remedies does point to something well beyond greed.  Any thinking person would have to start asking themselves, what the F is going on. So here we are, an interview with David Icke.

    Chris has said more times than I can count, "it doesn't have to be this way".  That is true, but equally true, and this is one of those seemingly impossible dichotomies we just have to live with, is that "if things could have happened any other way, they would have".

    Perhaps this is the kick in the pants that humanity needed. That oil change really can wait another month, that bare spot in the lawn, just leave it be. That closet you have been meaning to clean out and reorganize, well, I think that can wait.

    This reminds me of the saying ascribed to Eleanore Rosevelt, not sure whether it is accurate or not, "women are like tea bags, they don't know how strong they are until they get themselves into hot water".   I like that a lot better than the frog in the pot.  Well we are all about to find out. First take, people are rising to the occasion, we've just begun.

     

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 8:25am

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    Baseball trajectory?

    Obviously Chris never faced a MLB pitcher!

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 8:42am

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    second time through

    Ok, if there was anything better than the first time through this interview, it would be the second time through - taking detailed notes this time around.  This is literally the first time I've done this - but the amount of "flak" that emerged following this interview from long-time members I didn't know really impelled me to action.

    The framing: "If you know the outcome, you'll see the journey."

    The Outcome:

    • a centralized global tyranny, where a collection of scientists, technocrats, engineers, make decisions that dictate the fine details of people's lives without any public involvement at all.
    • total surveillance
    • social credit system
    • elimination of independent income & small business results in dependence; dependence transfers control to central authority.
    • transformation of the physical and psychological nature of the human being
    • depopulation
    • disconnection of humanity from the spiritual
    • weakened health

    Operational thesis:  they don't take no for an answer.  If an agenda item has yet to be achieved, then no effort will be spared to bring this result about.   Example: the reason for lockdowns is to destroy small business.  If there are still small biz remaining - then more lockdowns will happen.  Because - its an agenda item; in this case, total dependency on the state.

    Once you know the desired outcome, it is easy to predict the events that will occur.

    The cult:

    • psychopathic.  we are just vermin to them.
    • no borders, small group, globally interlocking
    • fractal international organization - top down - same in all countries
    • they hoard knowledge
    • they've been operating in the shadows for a long time.
    • they are now running a "for all the marbles" action plan.[my thought: this "plan" is why they absolutely had to get rid of the Bad Orange Man; he was not going to play along, nor was he compromised enough to control]

    The mechanism:

    • education system programs people for acquiescence at a young age
    • the internet is used to centralize and then censor human communication
    • Pharma created to maintain ill health - for profit, and engineered weakness
    • the cult understands how the human psyche works
    • but in truth, their only power is that which we cede to them

    The answer:

    • don't acquiesce.

    This sure matches up well with what is happening.  Thanks Chris for being brave enough to interview David Icke.

    And I want to give a special shout-out to PP's Overton Window Police for encouraging me to listen to it twice.  You guys are awesome!  I hope you won't slacken your efforts to police our content, and that you'll object - in exactly this way - each time someone like Icke appears at the site.  Super helpful.  Thanks again.

    Icke reminds me of Dr Kats.  Kats started out by saying that Niacin cures COVID.  I don't think it does (my sister was taking niacin when she got COVID - Ivermectin seemed to be the thing that fixed her up) but I think niacin (and niacinamide) does address a metric shit-ton of problems in the human condition; conditions that Pharma - now, "the cult" - would much prefer we not cure at all.  I suspect this is why the US RDA is 16mg - just barely enough to stave off pellagra.  (Same thing with Vit-D @ 800 IU; identical game, different substance).  And if I'd just ignored Kats, my life would have been much poorer for it.  Both Jim and I could sense "there was a pony in there somewhere." And its entirely possible that at least some of the designed-ill-health from the "subscription-vax-model" could be addressed using niacin too.  Maybe.

    Our journey is just starting.  What's more, "the cult" has never tried this op before.  They have no clue how it will all turn out.  And the outcome is all up to us - not them.

    "Don't acquiesce."

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 8:54am

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    Yes, We Can

    Having a guest on the show doesn't imply that Chris or the PP tribe endorse his every statement or every viewpoint.  You have the choice to ignore the interview completely and/or leave the site entirely as we are not sufficiently intellectually pure for your participation.  Besides - the lizard/demon/alien theory deserves some investigation.

    Rector

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 9:16am

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    LBL said:

    >>> "The cult:

      • psychopathic.  we are just vermin to them.
      • no borders, small group, globally interlocking
      • fractal international organization - top down - same in all countries
      • they hoard knowledge
      • they've been operating in the shadows for a long time."

    2000 years or more.

    #1 "Blood Passover" by Israeli Professor Ariel Toaff.
    About the LONG history of Ritual Human Sacrifice of Gentiles by Jews.
    Dr. Toaff writes about the case of "Saint Simon". Though Simon was a 2 year old when he was kidnapped, drained of his blood (per Jewish custom, the blood has to be from a living person), and dismembered. Didn't get much time to be a Saint.
    http://BloodPassover.com

    from Senator Al Franken's Autobiography.
    Senator Franken admits that Mayor Koch warned him before 9-11, not to go to work at the World Trade Center on 9-11.
    "One of the widely disseminated stories was that no Jews died in the collapse of the Trade Towers because they had received calls telling them not to go to work that day.

    To tell you the truth, I got the Jew call. I had an office in the Trade Center where I used to do most of my writing. The call came from former New York mayor Ed Koch. "Al," he told me, "don't go to work on the twenty-third day of Elul."

     

    So a US Senator admits, in writing, that he received specific targeted knowledge about the World Trade Center not being a good place to be on 9-11.

    The SF Chronicle also reported in September 2001 - that Cal. politician Willie Brown received a phone call warning him not to fly.

     

    These are just a few examples of foreknowledge.  The US government claim that 9-11 was a "surprise" is shredded.

     

    But nobody will talk about it.

    This is related to Americans NOT living in a democracy.

    It's sort of a simulated democracy - you can vote for the County Council-members.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 9:54am

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    It's not about control, ultimately it's about Power...

    In DaveFairtex's list, the item "disconnection of humanity from the spiritual" rang a giant warning bell for me.

    Responding to Chris's title of this thread, I believe the Great Plan is not ultimately about control, it's about Power. What's the difference? Control is the exertion of Power. But Power (I keep using the capital P because the word craves it) -- Power exists in and of itself. It's exhilarating. It's addictive. It is thrilling to the point that it has a very strong element of sexual arousal. It grows when it is used to control others -- I would almost say it feeds off of it. It makes the tiny, mortal human self feel so very much bigger and more important. As such, is a gigantic temptation to the collective human psyche.

    Thanks, Dave Fairtex, for the great summary, and thanks THC0655 for the great Nazi sign, and thanks to NordicJack for the beautiful "vacquiesce".

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 10:04am

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    We didn't start the fire.

    It started when Germany built a railroad to Rumania to purchase Rumanian Oil, to which the British Empire took exception.

    Having had their true origins obscured by Abrahamic Monotheists the British started a Saxon war, little understanding the Brutality that that would inevitably cause.

    From our Oera Linda.

    Where Lyda's children could bend a tree and kill a lion, Finda's children could not bend a tree. But where Lyda killed one lion, Finda killed ten.

    This is Finda's war.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 10:27am

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    "If you know the outcome, you'll see the journey" is not a good rule to go by

    Using "if you know the outcome, you'll see the journey" as your rule of thumb is a great way to see the evidence you want and to ignore the evidence you don't.  "If you can see the path their journey is taking, you can tell where they're trying to go" is a far better heuristic.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 10:30am

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    Definitely an interview to know where you stand

    What an interesting interview. I personally got the impression he was based in fear and he kept focusing on what the psychopaths are doing without taking a moment to understand resources or solutions. In fact, I had to laugh when Chris brought up solutions and he replied that solutions are useless but then gives a solution by telling people to not consent. Yes, I absolutely agree that these “managers” want power, are evil, are soulless psychopaths that will do whatever it takes to get power. I agree we should all at the individual level walk away and continue building our own alternative present and future. I do not agree that “their plan” has been passed down since God knows when. It’s evil people doing evil things in every generation and these are not demigods. I also believe that just as there are limits to growth, that also applies to limits on how evil someone or a group of people can be. Maybe they are not dealt with in a timeframe we would like, but there are limits for everything under the sun.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 10:52am

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    Be careful connecting dots

    Alot of what Icke does is to take a series of events and actions, then connects the dots to form a picture. His picture might be absolutely correct, I dont know. But I've learned to be careful with that sort of logic. Two people can look at the exact same series of dots and see two completely different pictures. Things like this end up reflecting more about the observer's mind than the actual object of observation. You've seen pictures like this;

    Which is the real image? Only in the case of the subject at hand, there are many more images [ infinite? ] that can be gleaned from looking at the same set of marks.

    We see small business hurt, mandates, surveillance, illness, fear, shifting narratives, etc.

    One person sees a pandemic, flawed but well intentioned attempts to combat it, unfortunate fallout, etc

    Another person sees a bioweapon released by an enemy during a trade war and an attempt to bring us in line with a rising communist regime

    Still another person sees the machinations of a death cult, a satanist cabal that goes back to the time of Christ.

    ...and many many more. The pictures gleaned from the image may be literally  different for every single individual on earth. I think thats true for all reality to a certain extent. We all live in a different reality as we simply all perceive everything a little bit different [ maybe alot different ].

    Which is the truth? I'll be the honest one and say that I dont really know. Maybe on some level we get to choose which reality to live in and that reality becomes true for us...and that choice is a reflection of ourselves? The Hermetics say "as above, so below. As within, so without" [ or some such ].

    Maybe if you look at the page of dots and see a death cult, lizard people, and evil conspirators then that BECOMES your reality. Thats your karma. And it is a direct reflection of your inner being. For better or worse thats what you live with.

    If you look at the set of dots and see well intentioned but flawed responses to a legitimate pandemic, then that is your reality. Your karma. For better or worse. Etc, etc.

    Maybe all the problems we perceive are problems within ourselves and the answers lie within...IDK. Enough pondering, Ive got wood to cut.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 10:54am

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    Great article that is easily understood by all

    The greater the fear the greater the deer in the headlight's stare.

    https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/freedom_from_fear_stop_playing_the_governments_mind_games

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 10:55am

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    Not Science

    Exactly. Starting with the end in mind is not scientific.

    This is why UFOlogy, a study over 70 years old, has gotten absolutely nowhere. At every twist and turn, anything that sat outside of the extraterrestrial paradigm was excluded by lies of omission. The USAF Catoe bibliography includes a caveat at the beginning about the abundance of occult material associated with the subject, because "alien" doesn't mean what you think it means. Science demands objectivity and esteems for falsifiability.

    There's an account of a CE in S. America with two stranded motorists. One guy experienced a UFO ride with aliens and the other guy with him experienced a tour bus of strangers. Same experience. And dichotomies of this sort are ubiquitous in the literature. The sex stuff can't be ignored, either. It's frequently left out of the Betty & Barney Hill story, on purpose.

    Icke's failed predictions don't surprise me, either. Apparently nobody here is familiar with John Keel of the Mothman Prophecies and Operation Trojan Horse? Tricksters have a habit of misinforming. A little bit of the details, truth and lies wicked together. It's funny. As Whitley Streiber wrote about being sodomized by aliens, he even mused that he could be being used as a mouthpiece to disseminate the myth for these things.

    We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extra-terrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us. - Terrence McKenna

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. -  Carl Sagan

    And when you get it, just shove it to the back of the drawer in favor of the official narrative.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 11:19am

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    Greetings Arthur

    Tone shaming women is an American past time and I will speak up when I see it. You think Maria is a man posting as a woman.... How would this revelation change Her/His message? I'm missing your point

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 11:22am

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    Reply to thc0655 - CDC proposal for relocation to "green zones"

    The attached link details CDC plan to relocate individuals at "high risk" for COVID-19 to green zones. They call it a "shielding approach".

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/global-covid-19/Interim-Operational-Considerations-Implementing-Shielding-in-Humanitarian-Settings.pdf

     

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 11:27am

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    A global digital ID for year 2020 has been planned for some time

    The concept was called ID2020

    Sponsors: Microsoft - GAVI (Gayes vaccine alliance) - Accenture

    https://id2020.org/

     

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 11:29am

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    DaveDD said:

    Amazing posts! Great line of thought of  DaveF. This triggered me to write down my private thoughts, I did not want to get involved in the “shooting the messenger” debate that is ongoing here.

    I wondered about the speed with which the Taliban were able to conquer Afganistan. Conquering a country the likes of Afganistan would be a logistical nightmare, unless this is well prepared. Secret weapon and fuel depots throughout the country, sleeper warriors placed throughout the land. Police and military bribed as much as possible. All well positioned in advance, and once the conquering starts, you basically have the recipe of a “Super Blitz Krieg”. Blitzy enough to have a superpower flee in panic.

    If the Taliban has both the patience, insight, and organizational skills to achieve this, for sure a small group of highly intelligent but ruthless  psychopaths, with virtually an infinite amount of money, will also be able to plan and organize this.

    I’ve listened to interviews and read Books from David Icke, and articles about David Icke; I take a lot he is saying with a grain of salt, I always interpreted some of his thoughts as resulting from his realization that “reality” as we perceive it, is very different from the actual reality. Once you understand that, everything is suddenly possible. And because there are not many people of his intelligence allowing this type of free thinking, there was only pushback from “the blind”. People here complaining about the obvious lies and stupidity of pro-vaxxers, politicians, journalists, and “scientists ”, kind of are in the same position that David Icke was for decennia. If you go over the many posts on PP, you will find the exact same “weird” lines of thoughts, because these people realize that actually everything is suddenly possible. This is, imo, just a temporary phase, a recalibration of our senses, thoughts, and departure of our old dogma’s. As mentioned before, David Icke had to go through this process all by himself. We have hundreds, maybe thousands of people walking that exact same path together.

    So, I long time ago forgave him his boundless foolishness because hidden in his thoughts, are, imo, some real mind provoking gems. And, underlying to all of this, is the realization that we have believed in fairytales our whole life.

    To cut a long story short: don’t shoot the messenger, let’s focus on the message. And let not forget that we have witnessed this exact same scenario enfold before our own eyes this year in Afganistan. Sometimes “the Universe” gives us pointers that we might want to pay attention to…

    edit: note to self, do not type on a smartphone

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 11:30am

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    Jane B said:

    I did not know who David was prior to this interview, and after reading numerous derogatory  comments on this thread, I chose not to investigate before listening. He sounded sane and rational to me and I agree with much of what he said. I assumed he was referring to oligarch families going back many generations, but instead he is referring to alien Lizards? I watched a clip of him on a talk show from the 90's where the host kept trying to make him say he was the Son of God, yet he kept reiterating that we are all a piece of the divine spirit. It was spun as I'm sure it remains today.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 11:56am

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    Unable to contribute positively

    Admin:  A previously blocked non-paying member set up a second account to continue his non-stop pot-shots at this site and its members.  If you've been blocked, there's a reason and you're not welcome to continue detracting from this site and its mission while denigrating its members.

    So, blocked again.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 12:00pm

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    sisk said:

    • Thank you Chris,  this rabbit hole is much larger and deeper and older than we have been lead to believe...

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 12:08pm

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    I’M EXTREMELY SURPRISED..AND IMPRESSED.

    I had dismissed him as a wacko, with his views on ´Reptilians’ etc., but his well thought out, reasoned arguments impressed me. An interesting interview with a very perceptive man.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 12:15pm

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    Sticks and stones Jag... Sticks and stones...

    Wouldn't you feel better if you got rid of that chip on your shoulder?

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 12:25pm

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    chips & shoulders

    "Just when I thought I was out...they pulled...me...back...in!"

    Another thought: "projection"  🙂

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 12:53pm

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    orange man and lizard people

    It's crazy that people think the orange man is thier savior and wasn't compromised like the rest. You don't get on TV unless they want you on TV.

    I believe he was there to create more of a division of people. Do you not remember Biden and kamala saying if Trump is pushing the Vax then I'm not taking it. Well look at them now. There was always going to be 2 sides.

    As far as lizard people, yes it sounds crazy but if you look at how far removed from what we were even just 30 years ago. And what we can do with genetics now. To think the earth has been spinning for a few million Years and this is the pinical of society. I don't buy it.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 12:57pm

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    A Great Analysis of What's Going On

    I thought this article was really insightful. On the one hand, this crisis was totally predictable.  OTOH, shit's about to get real if/when the NE has their winter surge.

    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/a-bureaucracy-seeking-to-protect

     

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 2:10pm

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    Thanks...

    Chris... Thanks for daring to have Icke on as a guest. He is incredibly accurate in many of his observations, but his courage in speaking truth to power has made him an easy target for the mainstream media and the nattering class of sheeple that try to stifle all debate. This was one of the best interviews I have seen with David in my nearly 30 years of following him... Thanks for doing this. Well done.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 2:11pm

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    Robert Dotson said:

    Amen!

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 2:13pm

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    Andrew said:

    I realise that most of the the tribe is already aware of the agenda set by the WEF.

    These two links are taken from a U.K. Government website: They relate to digital IDs and ‘human augmentation’.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uk-digital-identity-and-attributes-trust-framework

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/human-augmentation-the-dawn-of-a-new-paradigm

    I understand that the vaccine passport/digital ID contract has already been awarded by the U.K. government to Entrust, a company apparently owned by a family that derived its very considerable wealth from Nazi Germany, (employing Jewish slave labour in its factories, amongst other things).

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 2:16pm

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    Wow. Is this the crack in the MSM narrative we’ve been waiting for?

    Sept 24 (Reuters) - A World Health Organization (WHO) panel on Friday recommended the use of Regeneron (REGN.O) and Roche's (ROG.S) COVID-19 antibody cocktail for patients at high risk of hospitalisations and those severely ill with no natural antibodies.

    Take away the fear of Covid and this whole thing falls apart IMO.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-backs-regeneron-covid-19-drug-cocktail-un-body-calls-equal-access-2021-09-23/

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 2:26pm

    DaveDD

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    Sorry Blaggers, no

    But, keep on dreaming!





    Edit: sorry for misspelling your name.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 2:34pm

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    Blaggers said:

    But Toto and I want to go back to Kansas……..

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 2:47pm

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    Rodster said:

    I've Been Listening To David Icke For A Few Years and he is the real deal. Some don't like him because he at times comes across as raw and blunt but that's what I like about the guy. An example of that was when Chris brought up the resource issue and Icke jumped in and said no, no, no it's about control.

    His thoughts about a Hunger Games society is one that I also have been saying to others for the last 4-5 yrs.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 2:52pm

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    Psychopaths are at least as alien as Lizard People & Considerably More Dangerous. Wake up.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/63/92/f1/6392f172e407a2302af678bf2fd65d60.jpg

    Psychopathy is a critical BRAIN DEFORMITY which renders the people who have it -- who probably constitute 1-4% of the population -- as NOT HUMAN.  Yes, they look like human.  And they can FAKE being human pretty well.  I suspect few of the people on this site have any solid idea just how real this condition is, and how intractable.  I suggest anyone who wants to survive The Great Reset get up to speed, as best they can, as quickly as possible.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 3:48pm

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    A Great Analysis of What's Going On

    This is a good article, worth reading. Basically it argues that bureaucrats will double down rather than ever owning the 'vaccine' fiasco, and that the situation could become dangerous for any opponents.

    Quote: "...no one wants to own this.

    keep an eye out guys, this is where it can really get nasty. the data going bad on them is not going to drive re-assessment, it’s going to drive the most mendacious sort of bigger hammer theory and anyone opposing it is gonna look an awful lot like a nail.

    they will try to bully a win and play for time and they’ll do it by blaming you."

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 4:00pm

    Canuck21

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    Israel: are the boosters increasing covid deaths?

    The same author as in #138 has also written an article (with charts) about the time correlation between the Israeli 3rd booster shots and an increase in the death rate. He/she notes that the death rate data for the 3rd-shot recipients excludes people who died on days 1-6 after receiving the shot, thus skewing the data (?!). Also suggests that the boosters are creating a 14-day "risk window" when the immune system is suppressed due to the booster.

    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/are-covid-boosters-accentuating-covid

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 4:18pm

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    A pandemic of the vaccinated...

    This is the same author again. Another article. Posits that the vaccinated are superspreaders -- that the vaccines create some protection on the individual level but are a disaster at the society level. Says this would explain why the case fatality rate for delta is lower than with alpha but the death rate among the unvaccinated is much greater. Lots of charts.

    Quote: "there has been a strange riddle in the covid data of late.

    we have a lower CFR variant of the disease that has become predominant. delta has roughly 1/3 the case fatality rate of prior variants (like alpha)

    far more people have acquired immunity from having had and recovered from covid. this immunity is long lasting and extremely effective. (much more so than vaccines)

    high risk cohorts were significantly reduced last year. there is less “dry tinder” now.

    we have FAR more people vaccinated now. it’s 50-90% in many places and in many high risk groups. last year it was zero.

    and yet in many of the high vaccine uptake places, we’re seeing deaths from covid (and excess mortality) rise to levels ABOVE last year.

    ...if this validates, it’s not the unvaxxed threatening the vaxxed, it’s the vaccinated threatening everyone."

     

    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-vaccinated-superspread-hypothesis

     

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 4:18pm

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    Acorn Endeavors said:

    Canuck21--wonder if anyone has run the #s--compare percentages of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated in Israel, then look at raw #s of hospitalized/deaths.  Surely the #s would bear out that the majority of hospitalized and deaths are vaccinated.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 4:23pm

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    Canuck21 said:

    Acorn, there has been some discussion of this here on PP but I do not have the links.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 4:41pm

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    Stephen R said:

    I saw DI talk about the elites being literally lizard people. Wtf?

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 5:07pm

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    Esticans

    The Mantid race is not very well known, but they are among the frequently reported types of extraterrestrials by a few but growing number of the contactees and abductees willing to share their experiences. This fact alone makes the information on these creatures extremely difficult to find and cross reference.

    The Mantids, also called “Esticans” by a small minority, are an ancient and respected species that have been seen cooperating along side Greys and Reptilians alike normally in a medical type of setting. They are a fourth dimensional, hierarchical species of technological, medical, and supervisory expertise concerned with the path of spiritual evolution for the life on earth as well as their own well being in the evolving universe.

    source

     

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 5:13pm

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    DaveDD said:

    Could be, because TPTB started to suppress crypto, as per actions of the IMF towards El Salvador (what’s in a name!), the crackdown in China, the comming crackdown in the US, and the fact that the banks are finally catching on. My interpretation of this is that they totally underestimated it. Due to thr action of our potential savior, banks are scared that they are missing humongous revenues in the remittance market, well, F’em I would say. Of course they went to their friends in de SEC and central banks, who are now coming to their rescue. God forbid that the populace can transact among themselves without some sticky fingers inbetween.

    On the other hand, you might be right, but for the foreseeable future, one still might gain some financial benefit, and maybe independence. I’m all in favor of that, beggars can’t be choosers, especially when you do not want to lower yourself to the level of those greedy little [email protected][email protected]$.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 5:16pm

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    Stephen R said:

    Whitney Webb says Facebook was set up with DARPA money

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 5:24pm

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    Icke, Corbett, and Alison McDowell

    I was also thinking about Corbett while listening to this. I recently discovered the research of ALISON MCDOWELL and can’t stress enough how intense and thorough she is about the technocratic future.

    I would love to see Icke, Corbett, and McDowell on a project together - they have really cracked the code of our conundrum.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 5:51pm

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    Video re family behind UK vax passport

    I posted this on PP awhile back, but worth revisiting again in light of your comment, Andrew. It is a good expose on the relatively unknown Quandt family, and how they are carrying on with the Nazi agenda.

    https://rumble.com/vkmvhq-boom-vax-passport-companys-horrifying-history.html

     

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 6:12pm

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    Icke interview - complete waste of time

    I am embarrassed to say that in the 1990s, I bought and read two of Icke's books:  The Biggest Secret, and The Truth Will Set You Free.  Both books were then thrown in the garbage -- not even good enough to be given to a used bookstore.

    He writes exactly as he talks ... rambling stream of consciousness ... which some poor sap has to transcribe.  At one point in the book he said, "Oh come one now if you believe that you would believe that I can tie my willie around the lamp post across the street."   And then some poor sap had to transcribe it for the book.  He has no new info, no new analysis.  He does not know to present evidence.

    Chris M., I gave YOU the benefit of my doubts, and watched this interview.  It was a waste of time.   Nothing about Icke has changed in 20+ years.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 6:51pm

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    the biggest take-away

    At least for me the biggest take-away from the interview is: Psychopaths gonna psychopath.

    For the past year I've been looking for a connecting motivation behind the lockdowns, the crazy mask mandates, the war on early and effective treatments,  and most recently the drive to vaccinate against all evidence that the jabs do nothing to get us toward herd immunity while they carry big risks.

    Nothing seemed to fit.  Money?  Nah, you don't put a kink in the world's economy just to turn a few billion bucks for big pharma.  Push the Bad Orange Man out of office?  Seemed plausible, but then the crazy-making didn't let up after January.  More power?  They've already go most of it.  Population reduction?  Then why didn't they spring a virus with a 20% CFR?  No, nothing quite fit.

    Then Icke comes up with the idea of  sociopaths wanting to push people around, ramp up fear, control people down to any desired level, all just for the sick fun of it.  Crazy as this sounds, it actually fits what we're seeing.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 6:53pm

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    Epistemology

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. -  Carl Sagan

    Oh nooo. Not that old thing! Sagan regretted uttering it. Claims require evidence. Period.

    I'm reading an autobiography of a bush born Aboriginal. Being "Sung" (Cursed) was very real. As a young innocent boy the author near lost his life from being sung. What evidence do we need to know this truth? His word will do.

    "I, The Aboriginal" by Douglas Lockwood.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 6:55pm

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    Spork said:

    Hidden in plain sight!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zorak#Personality_and_traits

    Space Ghost (2004–05 DC Comic miniseries)[edit]

    Zorak and his race, the Dokarians from the planet Dokar, appeared as antagonists in the 2004/2005 Space Ghost comic miniseries published by DC Comics. In this series, Zorak and the Dokarian army called the Zorathians were designed with a heavy emphasis on the insect aspect of their appearance. They attack the colony world Meridian — homeworld of Space Ghost's sidekicks, Jan and Jace —, intent on devouring and enslaving the population. It is also revealed that the Dokarians have a Hive-mind, and that Zorak himself is not a single member of the race, but can be embodied by any Dokarian, should his current body be destroyed. The current Zorak's appearance is distinguished by a white exoskeleton torso, as well as possessing four arms; one set with mantis pincers and the other with human hands. They speak in an alien dialect, though the dialogue boxes translate this into English. Only Zorak ever develops the ability to speak English. The Zorathian culture is built around murder and conquest, which forms the basis of the philosophy they refer to as "The Way".

    "They" are so devious, attempting to discredit the Truth by publishing it in Comic Books and Cartoons!

    OTOH, we are seemingly down a reality tunnel where folks like David Icke or Menncius Moldbug are capable of running some operative predictive heuristics, while the well coiffed pundits are thumpingly wrong, over and over. It's the crisis of epistemology rearing another shaggy head, yet again. Which, ironically, is one line of critique against Icke, he seems so certain, which was par for the course in the 1990's Fortean Times.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 7:16pm

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    Banning CNN

    That's ok, I've banned CNN, so we're even.  I have natural immunity, antibodies nice and high 9 months post infection.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 7:21pm

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    Psychopathology

    Words have meanings. I disgrace myself by quoting Wikipedia

    Psychopathy, sometimes considered synonymous with sociopathy, is traditionally a personality disorder characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bolddisinhibited, and egotistical traits.[1][2][3] Different conceptions of psychopathy have been used throughout history that are only partly overlapping and may sometimes be contradictory.[4]

    In discussions with a psychopath I discovered that the subject felt no remorse nor feelings, and was puzzled by the rest of society's hatred of him.

    So why is the genepool not cleansed of these people if they are maladaptive? Because they are not maladaptive. They are vital to the survival of the group as a whole.

    They make excellent butchers and can do tasks that the rest of us find repugnant.

    If there existed a button to eliminate all psychopaths, I advise against pressing it.

    "Psychopath" does not mean "Bad Guy." Nuance is required. We are all in the spectrum. I can put an earthworm on a hook, but I would be unable to stick a needle into a babies arm.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 8:12pm

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    Observations about Power

    I was born as a white man in Africa and was called "N'Kosan" (Little god) when I was a child. I had power in abundance.

    It is the dream of the powerless to have power; as it it is the dream of the penniless to have wealth.

    The truth is that you inherit all the problems of the world if you have power. This wisdom leads me to reject the Power motive and the Greed motive out of hand. (Why would you do that to yourself?)

    That leads me to the Altruistic motive. Whoever is doing this operation Believes that they are doing a Good thing. (We are free to vociferously disagree.)

    Pyramidal (planned) societies can be more efficient; but the flip-side of efficiency is fragility. Ref: "Anti-fragile" by Nassim Talib. The sheer chaos of Human affairs may save us yet.

    Somebody tell the Insects that we don't need any "rescuing".

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 9:20pm

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    nice tales but that's different than careful analysis

    David Icke can be an engaging speaker and spins interesting tales but Chris has brought us careful analysis of covid (what works against it, what doesn't, etc, all backed up by data). The former is fluffy and basically 'unactionable'; the latter is useful. It's fine to talk with anyone, but Chris has a track record of being right and ahead of what the 3 letter health agencies eventually acknowledge as true. In contrast, to my way of understanding him, David Icke might be better understood as a performance artist singing about dreams of freedom.

    My central epistemological bone to pick with David Icke is "if you know the outcome, you'll know the journey" or some such. This strikes me as dangerously close to, I know what I know, and I'll interpret events to support what I already know. In our modern, high technology, centralized states, power is increasingly centralized. This is to be lamented and peacefully resisted as much as possible. But bureaucrats and billionaires increasingly taking away our freedom seems not to require conspiracies, or tyrannical alien bugs, or anything else to explain it. A mixture of naive do gooding and some greedy self-serving suffices as most of the explanation to my way of thinking.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 10:30pm

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    My respect just skyrocketed 👍🏻

    David Ike my favorite conspiracy theorist.  He’s a bit crazy but I’ve always enjoyed listening to his perspective. And while I don’t agree with everything I have such respect for Chris that you gave him a platform.  Crazy times such as this we need a little crazy to make us sane.

    And frankly hearing David Icke was like a breath of fresh air.  So much Of what he saying is ringing true.

    I keep waking up and thinking no way this is possible but I’m seeing things happen before my very eyes that I never thought were possible.

    thank you!!!

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 11:03pm

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    Susan Heming said:

    "In discussions with a psychopath I discovered that the subject felt no remorse nor feelings, and was puzzled by the rest of society's hatred of him."

    I feel no remorse for not getting the vax and I am puzzled by the rest of society's apparent hatred of me. Should I be worried?

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 11:11pm

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    Psychopaths

    I can only attest to that. A very close friend, a psychiatrist used to “treat” psychopaths. He stopped doing it. These were the only patients that really, really scared him, even the ones without criminal tendencies, and especially the highly intelligent. They crawl under your skin in a really frightening and scary way, and even worse, most people do not have a clue what they are dealing with. Interestingly, research found that people that “listen” to their own “gut feeling” are capable to “sense” when they are dealing with a psychopath. This made some researchers call the “intraspecies predators”.

    I would suggest, spend 15 minutes to check out Eric Barker. His main advise in “ how to deal with psychopaths: Run. The end.

    This Is How To Deal With Psychopaths And Toxic People: 5 Proven Secrets

    Also wondered about (Tech) CEO’s, and “journalists”? Check out this article in Huffpost. It will explain a lot about MSM.

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_2084246

    I’ve met a few in positions in power in my life. It is really interesting to see how they manipulate their environment. I usually tend to run, I do not want them near me. You will never ever be able to change them…

     

     

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 11:59pm

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    Susan Heming said:

    A lot of them are riot police and counter terrorism units. They are tactical units attached to the police force but I don't know in what way. I doubt they are mercenaries. I don't think our governments would pay that sort of money.

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 12:36am

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    Threads to Crypto from the Lizard People

    Check out this video about threats to crypto. To me this, and the SEC stance, is proof that TPTB want to get rid of crypto. God forbid that we, the populace are truly free, and that we do not kiss the ground on which our Ordained Rulers Walked.





     

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 12:46am

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    Off topic?

    Has anyone else viewed this press conference? It is fully traslated. Comments welcomed.
    CAUSE OF DEATH AFTER COVID-19 VACCINATION
    UNDECLARED COMPONENTS OF THE COVID-19 VACCINES
    https://odysee.com/@en:a5/PK_Tot-durch-Impfung_english:a

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 12:56am

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    Looked at post mortem info on vaxxed

    Sending to German scientist friend for evaluation.

    Isn't this what should happen for all Cv deaths, especially now- autopsies to figure out what happens? In a 2012 study trying to make a SARS 1 vaccine, all the vaccinated animals had specific lung infiltrates not seen in the other infected animals. It indicated ADE and immune hyper response.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 2:44am

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    Mental flexibility.

    Watch me drop Dr. David Jacobs Alien infiltration model in a hot second if I find contrary evidence. The Psychopathic humans model is gaining strength but it hasn't displaced Bugs yet.

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 7:54am

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    Different paradigm--- similar intersections





    Get to 18:19 as she talks about what is happening and what our role is.  She discusses fall of gov, personal sovereignty and how to prepare.  Interesting,  empowering consideration is discussed.  I feel more hopeful.

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 9:24am

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    This guys nails The Who what why of all this

    https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html?m=1

    long but certainly a must read.

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 10:10am

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    Dawning of a New Day

    The psychopath convo has me thinking of The People of the Lie.

    Theres an idea that this whole program was planned to go off nearly a decade ago, complete with a entirely different PR slogan “Dawning of a New Day” (original had better cadence). Jordan Maxwell, sort of an Icke contemporary, pointed out the symbology, back as it was happening.

    The symbology was used in the Obama campaign and in the 2009 V reboot. The V reboot has plots involving health centers and tainted vaccines designed to track humans. What else does V have? Lizard aliens posing as humans. How convenient: the bathwater comes pre-spiked.

    Entertainment execs can plausibly state that the vehicle, er fantastic art form, was a tongue-in-cheek “warning” for the Bam-Bam years. Right, and all your favorite TV shows think BLM plots fit their brands perfectly. I can still remember Independence Day being refused federal assistance during production, because they refused to edit the Area 51 references.

    For Robey: What about Marzinsky? You think the entities that possess humans come from Mantids? If they can just possess a human body, then why the breeding? Why the hubrids?

    Doesn’t sound like flesh and blood ETs to me. Sound more like entities that flit between here and there. When we smoke DMT, we experience hyperspace as being “more real” than this reality. Ironically, Captain Hudson interviewed some of the fractal mescalitos before his mutiny. They said the same thing about our reality.

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 11:18am

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    Ah Marzinsky!

    I'm still working on it.

    Here is a guess with the evidence of a physicist, Dr. Tom Campbell, My Big TOE YouTube and book. My Big TOE was one of Those Books that have influenced me greatly.

    Deep Breath, Here Goes. Reality is procedurally generated by our observations. (Our?) Consciousness is All.

    Consider the Game "No Man's Sky". It is as big as the Cosmos is. How can that be? Because the game is procedurally generated. (You see all those twinkling lights up in the sky? They are twinkling lights up in the sky.) They will resolve themselves into stars and planets as we "Travel towards them" and procedurally create them with our observations.

    Where was I? Oh yes, telling you how clever I am. That is not true. I have just enough brainpower to follow the bouncing ball, sometimes.

    Our egos create the illusion that we are separate individuals. We are, in Dr. Tom Campbell's model, "Individuated Units of consciousness". Those Demons that torment my daughter? They are elements of consciousness. Mantids? The same.

    To arrogantly sum up a three volume tome of work; consciousness is Real, Reality is Not.

    Whatever; be that as it may, we are put here to Play the Game, so let's have at it. Rest assured, if you are making progress, you are immortal.

    Enjoy Life, one of the gifts of the Wr-alda.

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 11:22am

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    The nature of reality -- "where" are the ETs?

    @One Jab To Rule Them All...
    The virus-denial/anti-mask stance is potentially dangerous, & gives the authorities more excuses to impose further mandates... Yes, masks might not be appropriate for all situations - but it is highly likely that we are still dealing with a lab agent that can mess up your body & brain - even if it wasn't the instant 'civilization killer' we were led to believe, or even if jabs turn out to be more lethal...

    Well the "authorities" clearly don't need any excuses to impose their agenda. But Icke shows his weak understanding of biochemistry and virology in this interview as well. I was surprised at how fast he jumped on the "viruses don't exist" bandwagon. Other than that he's pretty good, a pioneering ponerologist.

    @whoknew79
    Can you send me some links of videos or posts written by David that reference lizard people? I didn't know that he said things like that.

    @mememonkey
    Also curious, apparently DMT and Ayahusaca reportedly produce transformative out of body experiences, that include very common repeatable 'experiences' to include talking lizard guides..

    Yep, let me tell you what happened, as @DaveDD already alluded to. Icke had an ayahuasca (i.e. DMT) trip in 1990, blowing away everything he ever believed was real (ontoseismic shock) and leaving him with a shattered epistemology. His ego didn't have the context to understand what happened to him (note that this was before the Web), so he started believing he was (a reincarnation of) Jesus (Chris showed a clip of this at the beginning of the video) and was vastly ridiculed by the British MSM (as he was previously a known footballer and commentator). As he dug deeper he realized he's not Jesus, he's much bigger than that, he's "all that is, was, and ever will be" (indeed as @cbeach said, "the Godhead in a physical body"), while healing his fear of what other people might think of him. This opened his mind enough to research everything he could find and travel around the world interviewing different people claiming to have had extraordinary experiences, as he had had the most extraordinary experience possible this side of the veil (by going beyond the veil without dying).

    Given that you can encounter and communicate with a seemingly unlimited number of different types of hyperdimensional beings by merely increasing levels of a dream-inducing neuromodulator produced in the center of your brain, all ideas of negative aliens possibly influencing human affairs are already minor ideas in comparison. That's where we should start this discussion. Forget what other researchers, humans with advanced/well-developed "extra"-sensorial abilities, the ancients (from Gnostics to Zulus), etc, are saying -- focus first on what YOU can actually SEE and perceive for yourself.

    As Terence McKenna put it over 20 years ago:

    "Science can't survive in that environment for half a minute. The entire construct of Western reason disappears into that dimension like hurling an ice cube into a blast furnace. It just can't survive that encounter. If flying saucers were to land on the south lawn of the White House tomorrow, it wouldn't change the fact that DMT is the weirdest thing in the universe."

    "We are told "no", we're unimportant, we're peripheral. "Get a degree, get a job, get this, get that." And then you're a player, but you don't want to play in the game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."

    "A balkanization of epistemology is taking place. There is no longer a commonality of understanding. For some people quantum physics provides the answers. Their next door neighbor may look to the channeling of archangels with equal fervor.

    It is accompanied by a related phenomenon which is technology, or the historical momentum of things, is creating such a bewildering social milieu that the monkey mind cannot find a simple story, a simple creation myth or redemption myth to lay over the crazy contradictory patchwork of profane techno-consumerist post-McLuhanist electronic pre-apocalyptic existence."

    "Life lived in the absence of the psychedelic experience that primordial shamanism is based on is life trivialized, life denied, life enslaved to the ego."

    And indeed it's also worth re-quoting this one that @Steven Kelso posted:

    "We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extra-terrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us."

    Maybe it's just psychopathic humans in "control" and it's that simple. Maybe they're influenced/controlled by Archons who implant thoughts into their minds, or maybe it's just egregores who aren't an AI. Maybe they're organic portals i.e. soulless humans (we know that about 5% of humans are somehow not affected by DMT), perhaps Draco-controlled. Maybe 4th density reptilian species plug into lower chakras of human vessels. Maybe as @Arthur Robey says the Zeta Reticuli mantoids are at the top of the pyramid.

    But that ET layer or lack thereof isn't nearly as important as the fact that you can experience hyperspace, i.e. a "reality" within yourself of some kind that feels astonishingly hyperreal and of which you will forget perhaps 99.99% when you come back but still what you get out of it is usually an invaluable sense of the magnitude of what you really are. WE are the ETs! Or at least EDs.

    @BigBlue
    Well, by that logic, why doesn't Chris bring on one of those Flat Earthers he frequently derides?

    Honestly, their theory is more believable than many of Icke's...

    No it's not, see above for why. You can go out of body and see Gaia-Sophia's spherical beauty for yourself. There are also a number of of fairly determinant experiments you can do, some of which some flat earthers have done only to fail to prove it's flat and instead prove it's round.

    @BigBlue
    Seems that a respectful debate with a licensed professional who holds a different perspective than Chris (pro-vaccine, anti-IVM) on the key focus of this site would be far more valuable right now. Curious why that hasn't happened yet.

    That's what the TV is for. There is no legitimate "anti-IVM" argument. Those are arguments for the continued commission of crimes against humanity.

    @Steve
    I often have wondered why crypto has been left to develop without interference.

    Given this idea the internet was permitted to freely develop with an intent to ultimately control(bait and switch), then why not apply the same concept to crypto?

    Interference has already been happening for years, and it's increasing, but the whole point, the central raison d'etre of crypto is that there is no central point of failure, so you can't really shut it down, at least not easily.

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 12:21pm

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    Tom Campell, Bashar, Mantids & Grays

    @Steven Kelso
    For Robey: What about Marzinsky? You think the entities that possess humans come from Mantids? If they can just possess a human body, then why the breeding? Why the hubrids?

    Doesn’t sound like flesh and blood ETs to me. Sound more like entities that flit between here and there. When we smoke DMT, we experience hyperspace as being “more real” than this reality. Ironically, Captain Hudson interviewed some of the fractal mescalitos before his mutiny. They said the same thing about our reality.

    If (the fascinating source of channeled metaphysical information that is) Bashar is to be believed, the Mantids that many people report encounters with are a "higher-order organizational structure" the Greys, who are humans from a parallel distant-future transhumanistic post-apocalyptic version of Earth, have partnered with in order to be able to continue their civilization in some form. Bashar says he is a member of the Sassani, who are the 3rd hybrid race created by mixing the Greys' DNA with ours and that of other still-viable DNA from other pre-transhumanist parallel Earth versions.

    @Arthur Robey
    Here is a guess with the evidence of a physicist, Dr. Tom Campbell, My Big TOE YouTube and book. My Big TOE was one of Those Books that have influenced me greatly.

    Deep Breath, Here Goes. Reality is procedurally generated by our observations. (Our?) Consciousness is All.
    ...
    Our egos create the illusion that we are separate individuals. We are, in Dr. Tom Campbell's model, "Individuated Units of consciousness". They Demons that torment my daughter? They are elements of consciousness. Mantids? The same.

    To arrogantly sum up a three volume tome of work; consciousness is Real, Reality is Not.

    Whatever; be that as it may, we are put here to Play the Game, so let's have at it. Rest assured, if you are making progress, you are immortal.

    Or put another way, consciousness = reality = information = experience, which is the only thing that is real. The "outside world" is a construction that only truly exists inside your consciousness.

    AFAIK, Tom Campbell has what I would consider to be the 2nd most advanced model of consciousness that any human has ever come up with, his Big TOE being the first real ("Big") theory of everything to include consciousness in its explanatory aims, as opposed to "Small" TOEs that only attempt to unify the fields (and fail as neither General Relativity or any quantum gravity theory is compatible with electroweak and strong quantum field theory equations). See this thorough comparison of Tom Campbell's model and Bashar's model to see how they complement each other but one may be offering a higher-dimensional perspective that we'd have a hard time reaching experimentally (as the scientific method is a very limited tool).

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 12:21pm

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    Thank you, RiverWind!

    The video by Oracle Girl was something i needed to hear. She touched me. Her view of the future resonates. 

     

    Xoxo 😘

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 12:54pm

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    Where are the Gravitons?

    Scientism/Cargoism: "We can't understand consciousness or even gravity, but we believe in gravity and as long as we believe in the power of science and technology, we can solve any problem."

    Human supremacist hubris. This culture would forsake everything to build a Dyson sphere-powered particle accelerator the size of our galaxy only to discover that gravity isn't what we think it is, but it was worth the human cost to learn that.

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 3:19pm

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    Our Country Manager’s Facebook post didn’t quite go to plan…

    I think that there will be some serious damage control meetings going on this morning. J posted ‘let’s talk about side effects’ stating she had ‘a sore arm’, and the first comment (now removed) was about a death.
    https://m.facebook.com/45300632440/posts/10158140116102441/?d=n

     

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 3:56pm

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    Back to Earth....

    This will probably go the way of Congressional term limits, federally funded elections, no-revolving-door policy, elimination of Citizens United, etc.  How about a psych test for anyone wanting to be elected to any governmental office, starting at (maybe especially) dog catcher.  Anyone expressing psychopathic traits either gets denied ballot listing, or test results are listed on the ballot, for the voter to decide.  In deference to Arthur, we could let in a couple just to keep us on our toes.  Voting works, right?  ;^)  .... Aloha, Steve.

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 4:14pm

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    Goofy thought experiment

    This would probably only happen after the pitchforks come out.  Given the discussed Power/Control pyramid, there has to be a level- 2, 3, 4?- where the dastardly participants can be identified.  If one level is "removed"- perhaps to "reeducation camps", or something...- the Control flow gets disrupted from above, and the lower level sees the fate of their uppers and says "Thanks, but I'll stay here, and not move up".  Easy, problem solved.  We can go back to enjoying life.  Heh, heh....Aloha, Steve

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 4:34pm

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    Regarding the nature of reality

    As best I can describe it, we are appendages or limbs of one universal being using our senses to explore and our minds to think about this one being that we are.

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 5:29pm

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    Gregory said:

    now at 20K comments *after* they've deleted many negative ones according to people watching the post.

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 7:29pm

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    Its all about resources, less resources requires more control.

    Icke is not wrong he just makes it way more involved than it needs to be. But then this is how he makes a living so it can't be simple.

    The reason people acquess is because their paycheck depends on it. It doesn't have to be more nefarious than that. Why do you do what your boss tell you to do...even if you believe it is not right, good, the best way, etc? You do it because you get paid to do it. By the way most people hate their boss and its for this very reason.

    Icke does not understand resource constraints. That doesn't mean he is wrong about it all being about control. It is all about control. The reason the US has "regiem changed" over 50 countries over the last 75+ years is for control. Mostly if not totally for control of resources. As the finite supply of resources dwindle and the planets ability to absorb humanities waste stream peaks TOTAL control is necessary or it will be chaos.

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 7:59pm

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    unrepentant cynic said:

    That sounds like a great idea. I've been reading Peak Prosperity for a while, but just recently became a commenter; people here seem to want to do something positive, rather than just comment and complain.

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 9:52pm

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    'Stralia

    A nice montage. Its okay though, cause it's white cops beating white ne'er do wells. (Aussie accent) "Get yer Pfizer or get the taser!"

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1441768323532816390

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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 10:46pm

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    Social Media Instilling Mass Psychosis

    Dave,
    Thanks for a very helpful summary of the Icke interview.

    the internet is used to centralize and then censor human communication

    Although I don't recall if Icke addressed this, I would add to this statement about the internet the absolutely damaging impact of social media on the self-worth of our young people, planting the seeds frighteningly early for the psychosis that Chris described in a recent post.

    I sat in an extended with several millennials a few weeks ago who described to me in detail just how they were impacted by social media growing up because it taught them to compare themselves to all of these idealized folks on Facebook, Tik-Tok etc and they inevitably came up short.  Utterly tragic and scary.

    --Suzie

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 12:13am

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    wonderful interview

    I watched this interview twice because it was so intriguing. I have been hearing his voice used in another group's youtube videos and thought to myself, this guy knows whats going on! And thankfully you brought him to light. Thanks for doing this interview. I especially have been pondering his solution to this mess; we simply don't acquiesce to the tyranny. This interview has given me personal strength to hold on to my self-respect. I will not comply and I do not have to. The elite only have power if we give it to them. We out number them all. I hope many people do start to join the awakening and this interview is a good place to start.

    P.S. Chris, I love your website and content. I found you in January 2020 because of your Covid research but I plan to stay from here on out because of your continued incredible work and goal of teaching resiliency to the world. I'm so grateful to be apart of the tribe.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 12:17am

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    Disconnection of humanity from the spiritual

    I don't have anything to add on this except here is Rudolf Steiner's quote that Icke mentions:

    Rudolf Steiner on vaccines

    ” In the future, we will eliminate the soul with medicine. Under the pretext of a ‘healthy point of view’, there will be a vaccine by which the human body will be treated as soon as possible directly at birth, so that the human being cannot develop the thought of the existence of soul and Spirit.
    To materialistic doctors, will be entrusted with the task of removing the soul of humanity. As today, people are vaccine against this disease or disease, so in the future, children will be vaccinated with a substance that can be produced precisely in such a way that people, thanks to this vaccination, will be immune to being subjected to the “madness” of spiritual life. He would be extremely smart, but he would not develop a conscience, and that is the true goal of some materialistic circles.
    With such a vaccine, you can easily make the etheric body loose in the physical body. Once the etheric body is detached, the relationship between the universe and the etheric body would become extremely unstable, and man would become an automaton, for the physical body of man must be polished on this Earth by spiritual will. So, the vaccine becomes a kind of arymanique force; man can no longer get rid of a given materialistic feeling. He becomes materialistic of constitution and can no longer rise to the spiritual “.

    NB: arymanique (usually spelled 'ahrmanic' are forces related to the Ahriman, aka Satan).

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 12:48am

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    That is a deeply horrifying view Redcloud...

    I don't know if it's really possible to separate us from our souls chemically... but on the other hand we do seem to be able to use chemicals to open the window further (DMT, Ayahuasca) ... so there's that.  It would seem that a majority of folks are already functionally NPC's.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 12:56am

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    Thanks Chris,

    • For continuing to explore the edges, push past the fences that control independent thinking and action.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 1:34am

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    Zeta what?

    Abductees do not report where the aliens come from and the Mantids seem to be in charge of the planetary takeover. That does not mean that they are at the top of the pyramid.

    Why would Boss Lady get her hands dirty?

    I doubt if the Hubrids themselves know who is at the Top as there is no need for them to. They've got a job to do, and they do it single mindedly.

    They rank second lowest, the lowest position is You, Muggins.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 4:04am

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    Max Boutelle said:

    New here, just watched.  Very disturbing to say the least.   Thank you for the re-post.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 5:31am

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    Ah Ha. A Saxon Woman

    Who cares where she lives. She is Saxon and has Saxon Blood.

    Note well. Was she worried that the Germans had an army? Not at all. Every country has the responsibility of protecting its citizens. Was she concerned that the Quants made uniforms for the German Army? Not at all. Did you expect the Germans to stand around naked as their ancestors did?

    Was she concerned that the Germans made weapons? Why should the the Germans go into the fray naked and defenseless?

    She wasn't particularly bothered by the fact that the Germans chose National Socialism as their preferred mode of life. What business of hers if the Germans chose National Socialism like their Swedish neighbours?

    So what horrified this Daughter of Saxons?

    She was appalled by the fact that there was Slavery!

    See that picture of a flame in the background. That is the sacred flame of our Dear Freya. See the Owl? That is the Owl that Minerva kept to remind her of the evil people who lurk in dark corners. The sward? The injunction that all Freyan men must devote a day a week to the martial arts, for the best way to avert war is to be well armed and ready.

    She is a true Daughter of Freya.




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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 8:51am

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    Canuck21 said:

    Jim what is an NPC?

    Replying to the prior post, this comment is interesting: "With such a vaccine, you can easily make the etheric body loose in the physical body. Once the etheric body is detached, the relationship between the universe and the etheric body would become extremely unstable," and fits with a comment I heard somewhere that reiki practitioners have noticed that the energy body/nervous system of their vaxed clients is totally disrupted. My personal experience is that it is via the energy body that Spirit connects with us -- so if you seriously disrupt the energy body (note all the post-vax neurological injuries) then in my view, you would indeed seriously disrupt a person's connection to Spirit.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 9:56am

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    Sorry I missed your challenge Jane.

    Tone shaming women is an American past time

    I'm a Saxon. We find it repugnant for a man to pose as a woman in order to avoid robust criticism.

    Our chivalry mitigates against making women cry. But let me ask you; are you trying to shame me?

    May I suggest "The Coddling of the American Mind" by Greg Lukainoff and Jonathan Haidt?

    Three bad ideas.

    Chapter 1. What doesn't kill you makes you weaker.

    Chapter 2 The untruth of emotional reasoning. Always Trust your Feelings

    Chapter 3 The Untruth of Us versus Them. Life is a battle between Good People and Evil People.

    My notes: # 2  We have to differentiate between emotion and intuition. (Tricky, but doable.)

    # 3 They sure got that wrong. It's a battle between insouciant People and an infestation of Mantids.

    More homework. Read about Overmothers in Our Saxon Oera Linda.





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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 10:38am

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    not my style of reasoning

    If David Icke, along with Rudolf Steiner and many others who see themselves as spiritual, say that those who have taken a gene therapy vaccine are clearly different in the spiritual realm, that their spiritual sense is dead (or merely asleep?), who are those such as myself who don't see auras to say anything different?  How epistemologically useful is it to turn inside for knowledge, to have an intuitive knowing that perhaps seems confirmed by the similar experiences of others?

    There are more than two options here--awake and asleep, trusting yourself and trusting the authorities.  It could also be that your inward-turning intuition is often wrong and requires regular reality checks and course corrections using the principles of science and reason.  Which, when properly applied, keep you humble and not easily "othering" as evil or deficient those who don't see it your way.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 10:50am

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    UK ONS data analysis

    A really decent analysis of the ONS data from various categories of vaccination status.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/VcoWYqvESjQI/

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 11:44am

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    Dr John Cambell - Inadvertent Intravenous Injections

    Citing a new paper about the harms of not aspirating.





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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 12:29pm

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    Great video Dontknownothin!

    That is a brilliant video.  I had a poke about in that data myself and found that it didn't live up to the soundbite (surprise surprise). I also noticed a trend in other data that suggests that the partially vaccinated are particularly at risk.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 1:47pm

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    We must stay united and educate gently those who are still not awaken

    https://tv.gab.com/channel/hellznrg/view/superb-ernst-wolff-uncovering-the-615122c0698f219c0cb7e1a9

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 2:44pm

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    New Push To Vaccinate Kids Before Halloween Reveals Politicians True Motives





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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 2:59pm

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    separation leads to sociopathy

    Hi Redcloud,
    I appreciate you sharing the Rudolph Steiner quote.  I especially resonate with this part from the psychological perspective.

    Once the etheric body is detached, the relationship between the universe and the etheric body would become extremely unstable, and man would become an automaton, for the physical body of man must be polished on this Earth by spiritual will.

    In my opinion, many people who are truly sociopathic have lost connection with their souls, a type of detachment similar to what Steiner describes here.  This results in behavior in which they have no awareness or regard for how their behavior impacts other people.  They don't feel.  I just wonder how TPTB can live with themselves as so many people die unnecessarily.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 3:00pm

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    permission to share with a private group fighting the coof brigade

    Hi Chris

    I'm part of an opposition group in Vancouver, BC and would like to share this video. I won't without a nod of permission.

    Thanks for this, i found it helped pull the ideas together.

     

     

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 3:07pm

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    Ision said:

    You might find it interesting that the number 666 was the same number which appeared at the top of the Roman Tax Collector's counting board, which as used to keep track of various counts, such as the number of sheep a person had, or horses, goats, chickens...and such.

    There is no beast of the field, which takes more of one's flock, than the greatest beast...which is the Roman Tax Collector.

    Why is the number 666?  Well, one must remember the Roman number system.

    How do you write the number 666 in Roman numerals?

    DCLXVI

    You will note that this number includes all the Roman numerical symbols from 1 to 500:  D = 500, C = 100, L = 50, X = 10, V = 5, and I = 1; making a total of 666.

    The top of every Roman Tax Collectors counting board, had these numbers marked across the them.  Below each of these numbers had a descending row of peg holes in the counting board, in which small pegs were placed in order to keep track of a count in progress.

    One could not fail to be familiar with either the Tax Collector, or his counting board, if one was being visited to be taxed.

    Everyone knew exactly what the number 666 referred to in Roman times, the Tax Collector, who was the greatest beast of all.

    Nothing very mystical about it.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 3:17pm

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    Arthur

    Lol, not a challenge, but an inquiry...not trying to shame you, just pointing out the obvious. I think I'll skip the "homework" and chalk the conversation up to culture differences. Peace

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 3:23pm

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    As of today, 4600+ Medical Doctors and Medical Scientists have signed a petition to get politics out of Covid medicine

    Speaking of Covid vaccination and politics (which, as I now vaguely recall, was the theme of this interview before the lizard people took over): As of today, over 4600 physicians and medical scientists have signed the Rome Petition. Dr. Kory is, of course, one of the primary signatories - and, I believe, a convener of the Global Covid Summit, held in Rome just a few days ago:

    https://globalcovidsummit.org/news/welcome-to-the-global-covid-summit

     

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 4:48pm

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    Thousands of UK excess deaths since early July -- heart failure, stroke, aneurysm, circulatory etc.

    From the Telegraph. The article concludes that these are all due to treatment delays due to covid. Who knows for sure but it does support the UK funeral director's much-maligned observations.

    Headline: Thousands more people than usual are dying ... but it’s not from Covid

    Part of the body text (respecting copyright): While focus remains firmly fixed on Covid-19, a second health crisis is quietly emerging in Britain. Since the beginning of July, there have been thousands of excess deaths that were not caused by coronavirus.

    According to health experts, this is highly unusual for the summer. Although excess deaths are expected during the winter months, when cold weather and seasonal infections combine to place pressure on the NHS, summer generally sees a lull.

    This year is a worrying outlier.

    According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), since July 2 there have been 9,619 excess deaths in England and Wales, of which 48 per cent (4,635) were not caused by Covid-19.

    So if all these extra people are not dying from coronavirus, what is killing them?

    Data from Public Health England (PHE) shows that during that period there were 2,103 extra death registrations with ischemic heart disease, 1,552 with heart failure, as well as an extra 760 deaths with cerebrovascular diseases such as stroke and aneurysm and 3,915 with other circulatory diseases.

    Acute and chronic respiratory infections were also up with 3,416 more mentions on death certificates than expected since the start of July, while there have been 1,234 extra urinary system disease deaths, 324 with cirrhosis and liver disease and 1,905 with diabetes.

    Alarmingly, many of these conditions saw the biggest drops in diagnosis in 2020, as the NHS struggled to cope with the pandemic.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/24/analysis-thousands-usual-dying-not-covid/?

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 5:05pm

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    LBL said:

    How Frankenstein-ish can the effects of the "Vaccine" get ?

    We've heard about Dr. Cole's observations about Endometriosis related Biopsies.

    How FREAKY can the Vaccine effects get ?

    Endometriosis growths in Men - is that a remote possibility ?  or safely in the realm of Horror Movie content.

     

    The Covid19 Vaccine technology sounds like a primitive version of the fictional black goop in the movie Prometheus, that caused all sorts of genetic side effects.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 5:34pm

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    Prairie Rose said:

    Canuck21,

    "So if all these extra people are not dying from coronavirus, what is killing them?"

    The virus itself appears to deplete zinc and magnesium (vitamin D, etc) when it infects people (as it forces the body to replicate it and as the body tries to fight it off lots of micronutrients, especially those two, get used up). Most of the conditions you noted are related to magnesium deficiency. Some of them are affected by zinc, but it looks to me like it is primarily an issue with magnesium depletion. Many of the people affected most by this darn thing are already magnesium (and zinc) depleted, mostly due to poor absorption or inadequate ingestion (diet and lifestyle-related problems, primarily).

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 6:07pm

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    A Powerful song conveying David Ickes' message

    Someone posted a link to this Music Video on telegram.

    I believe the songs' lyrics pretty much sum up what David Icke was saying.

    Its' called TOTAL CONTROL by DJC .

    You know what they say.  One song can convey what ten thousand words cannot.

    Some of the pictures shown in the music video are a bit too much for me, conspiracy theory wise.

    But you know what ?  I am keeping an open mind, like Chris suggested  we should.

     

    I wrote down the lyrics , too the best of my ability.

    Any corrections , would be most welcome.

     

    Powerful song, powerful message.

    Total Control - A Truth Song by DJC

     

    ( 666 ) ( Obey! ) ( It's mandatory ! )

     

    Trust in every single proof less claim, if you gotta...(imaginary)

    Let weapons of mass deception ruin your brain, if you wanna ...

    Just acquiesce to each absurd demand

    Submit to change, don't let your will in hands.   < - -  ???

     

    Wear a mask till you gasp for breath, if you wanna....

    Live in fear till you ask for death, if you're gonna...

    They're fooling you to believe false is real.

    Controlling minds so the truth's concealed.

    Oblivious to the masquerade pulled over your eyes.

     

    Chorus:

    How do you know?

    What you think that you know?

    What they were destined to show you,

    Or, did they just say it was so?

     

    Cause their ultimate goal

    is TOTAL CONTROL (666) (obey!)

     

     

    Believe in nonsense looking through that hole, they're lying!  ( It's mandatory ! )

    Cling to the bottom of a water ball, it's flying   ( Imaginary )

    I met that prison where the thing is real,   < - - - ???

    believing in the possibilities.

    Programming you to be fooled, by fearful illusion.

     

     

    Chorus:

    So how did you know ,

    what you were told you should know ?

    Did they demonstrate proof to you?

    or just claim it was known ?

     

    Always, their ultimate goal,

    was TOTAL CONTROL !

     

    And now you can't even breathe,

    unless your ruler says so .

     

     

    Music :  ( 666 ) ( Obey! )

    TOTAL CONTROL

    ( 666 ) ( Obey! )( It's mandatory ! )

     

     

    They're painting images into your mind ,

    ??? proof of wwhat you'll find,

    playing you like a board game ,

    for their amusement  (with scary stories)

     

    [ . . . ? . . . ]

    [ . . . ? . . . ]

    [ . . . ? . . . ]

    [ . . . ? . . . ]

     

    The humans - their genetics

    they will modify,

    toxic vaccines microchiped by GAI

    [ . . . ? . . . ] and fairy tales and CGI

    [ . . . ? . . . ]

     

     

    Chorus:

    They're fu***ing out of control  !!!  (666)

    One thing is done with control (delusionary)

    Cause their ultimate goal

    is population control

     

    Now you can no longer be free

    because some alliance says so     < - - - ???

     

    Chorus:

    they create fear to control (fairy stories)

    what you would die to let go        < - - - ???

    whatever [ . . . ? . . . ] you are

    [ . . . ? . . . ]

     

    Now you know their ultimate goal,

    was always TOTAL CONTROL !

     

    cause now you can't even breathe,

    unless  [ . . . ? . . . ]  say so  (imaginary)

     

     

    Music :  TOTAL CONTROL !

    (666)  (It's mandatory !) (obey!)

    TOTAL CONTROL !

     

     

     

    YOURE DELUSIONARY !

    NO WAY !!

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 6:43pm

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    Tickled

    "Tickled" the movie is must watch. I almost didn't watch it because I thought it was about tickling. On no, it's so much more. It's control beyond what most of us comprehend.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 7:20pm

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    That number

    Ision,

    That's a fascinating interpretation. I would guess its true simply by its ease of use by even the most humbly educated. The number also is mentioned in the book of kings I believe it is. That is the "tax" that is paid in gold talents to Solomon from some such foreign king (I can't look it up right now nor remember off hand). Its interesting that in either case it refers to money and the force of government.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 8:03pm

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    Bigby Suvins said:

    Do people understand that David Icke has cited the Protocols for the Elders of Zion extensively in his work?  He simply renames it the Illuminati Protocols. That would be like if a neo-Nazi simply began citing the Bell Curve but renaming it the Retard Curve.  It doesn't change the inherent racism (or in Icke's case anti-semitism & anti-communism) behind the "study."  Just like citing Mein Kampf and renaming it Anglo Knowledge doesn't erase the horrendous claims and beliefs inherent in such a work.  Why the fuck would Chris allow such a guest on his podcast?  Is this some sort of zeal to prove how "anti-woke" he is?  Who's next?  Joe Martino?  Alex Jones?

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 8:18pm

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    Bigby Suvins said:

    He brought on a doctor that has FRINGE (repeat: FRINGE) beliefs on treating Covid-19 and its various strains.  That is NOT what the earlier comment was meaning.  They meant a doctor that takes a DIFFERENT view than which Chris M takes.  Likely less than 1% of doctors (and certainly less than 10%) will back up Kory's claims.  Judy Mikovits is a legitimate research scientist but no one in their right mind thinks she's credible.  Ditto Andrew Wakefield and his fraudulent work with linking vaccines and autism.  Fringe doctors are easy to find.  And some of them even get their fringe ideas published in noteworthy publications like the Lancet.  But when peer-review comes into play, as well as replication studies, Science usually does a pretty good job of debunking the bullshit claims.  It just sometimes takes a while.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 8:22pm

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    Johnson & Johnson: 'Kids Shouldn’t Get A F*cking [COVID] Vaccine;' There are "Unknown Repercussions"

    https://odysee.com/@ProjectVeritas:7/johnson-johnson-'kids-shouldn%E2%80%99t-get-a:1

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 10:02pm

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    Fringe, FRINGE, FRIIIIIINNNNNGGGGE!

    Bigby,

    I've yet to see revolutionary science done by anyone acceptible to their peers. Feel free to keep your orthodox views in the warm embrace of the circle jerk of peer review and polite society. Keep shouting that the sun revolves around the earth, that hand washing is a meaningless gesture, that germs don't exist and draining the humours is responsible medicine. Oh and that Ivermectin is just for horses.

    How much is a PP account worth these days anyway? Does the shill factory pay by the join date or the status or both? You couldn't have gotten much for yours, and your comment isn't paying dividends for your masters either. Crawl back in your hole.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 10:32pm

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    Bigby

    Nice first post.

     Just like citing Mein Kampf

    Mein Kumpf was not written by Hitler. It was just more propaganda.

    May I suggest reading "The Program of the Party of Adolph Hitler" by Feder. He was right there at the Worker's party formation.

    Perhaps Dr. Martenson should grow a little mustache, but they are not very fashionable.

    I have a full glorious golden beard to being everybodys' attention that I am a Saxon.

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 10:49pm

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    Peerless science.

    The very definition of scientific breakthroughs means that they are peerless; without peer.

    For instance Dr. Pierre Robetaille had to place a full page advert in the New York Times in order to get his work published, because he had no peers to peer review his work.

    The page was read avidly by the Cosmologists to whom it was addressed.

    Ref: Sky Scholar. (Youtube)





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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 11:09pm

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    Stupid investors

    Thank God that I have no association with these clot-shot manufacturers.

    Anyone who made so much as one dollar in profit investing in these companies is going to have their name on some shareholder register; and they are going to be in deep do-dos when the penny drops.

    I foresee a time when people are going to find Pharma-porn on their laptops.

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 12:00am

    Bradford

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    Good men will heed the call

    Thank you Arthur, for your constant and undying ability to stand up with integrity against...well, against the evil "system's" incoming flack! Excellently done right now, as it has been always!

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 12:44am

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    UK ONS data video in post #201

    Here is a screenshot from 16:39:

    Note that deaths are below the historical mean for weeks 10-26 (about March-June).  These are probably because some of the deaths among the elderly during the winter covid wave were "pulled forward".  In other words, people who had only a few month to live were weak enough to die from covid in significant numbers.

    Of course we see that on week 27, the deaths cross the long term mean.  There are excess deaths relative to this mean and more than half of them aren't accounted for by covid deaths.  Could this be vaccine injuries?  Given the developing theory that vaccine injuries and presumably vaccine deaths disproportionately impact those under about 60 due to their stronger immune response, one would expect these deaths to show up starting some time in May - assuming the UK started vaccinating people under 65 at the same time as in the USA.  I propose that there are additional vaccine deaths from about weeks 20 to 26 and that the total deaths are below the mean because the "deaths pulled forward" effect is larger than the vaccine deaths effect at this point.  I propose that most of the deaths pulled forward would have happened by week 26, so this effect has diminished by week 27.  Also, by early July (week 27), enough younger people have been vaccinated and have had time for their injuries to progress to death .  Therefore at this point, deaths increase above the long term mean.

    More observations (added as an edit on Tuesday morning, 9/28):

    1. For every week of the winter-spring 2021 outbreak, covid deaths significantly exceed excess deaths, suggesting that many of the "covid deaths" are not actually covid deaths.
    2. Towards the end of the outbreak caused deaths, excess deaths are actually negative.
    3. In comment 212, Canuck21 quotes from an article that shows about 4500 non-covid related excess deaths this summer.  It then goes on to list excess deaths from lots of categories that together add to about 12000.  Most of these 12000 are involve circulatory issues and could be related to the vaccine.  I propose that the actual total of "excess deaths" is greater than 4500 because additional excess deaths from the vaccine are still hidden by a deficit of deaths among the elderly and terminally/dangerously ill that weer pulled forward into the winter/spring outbreak.

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 1:53am

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    Noncompliance

    It seems no discussion is necessary at all.  We should simply refuse to comply.  If they way we can't go to a restaurant, a gym, or a bar...  Why did we need to go to those places in the first place?  I don't need to fly.  I don't need a train.  I just need a patch of land to poke seeds into, and there's land everywhere.

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 3:26am

    danina

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    Need to comply

    İ totally agree with you,SwampMama, about restaurants, bars and gyms. Who needs them? İ don't!!!

     

    İ wish i didn't have a need to comply at this point about flying.

     

    Because my beloved partner who is a UK citizen (i am American) has cancer and has chosen not to be treated for it by the British NHS, we need to be able to fly. We have kept it to the minimum that we can by staying for months at a time in the country where the alternative cancer protocols we have chosen can be used, Turkey.

     

    We have chosen not to be vaccinated. Right now that means submitting to PCR tests. İn the future it may mean that we cannot travel at all unless we vaccinate.

     

    Hopefully we will be where we need to be when that happens. 

     

    İn the meantime, we take every precaution we deem reasonable to make sure we test negative when we need to travel. We are looking into obtaining permanent residency status in Turkey, not because we think that Turkey will be best for us on any other level but cancer treatment. Cancer treatment is our top priority at the moment and if and when that changes who knows where we (all) will be?

     

    Love you all!!! 

     

    Xoxo 😘,

    Tribeswoman Danina aka deni of deni and nic

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 5:29am

    Susan Heming

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    Susan Heming said:

    Only a small percentage of doctors are willing to risk their careers by going against the public health orders. In Australia, they can lose their registration to practice and in Queensland they can go to gaol (jail) for up to 6 years if they do not totally support the government's line. As far as I am concerned, this means they can't be trusted because they are not allowed to speak freely.

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 5:58am

    VTGothic

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    Bravo David Henry

    100%

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 7:20am

    Canuck21

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    Quercus

    The chart you give supports the information I posted in #212.

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 8:17am

    Hans

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    Give me Universal Basic Income! ;-)

    They own me. I work 40 hours a week for a boss. I have to because otherwize I don't have an income. I can switch work. That is the freedom I have. I have to pay taxes. Even when I don't work I have to pay taxes. I have to live somewhere, don't I? I have to obey the law. It doesn't matter if I agree with the laws or not. I have to.

    They can kill me. Just like that. I have a potato-peel-knife, to defend myself they have aircraft carriers. They can also release a virus that only they are protected against. No problem.

    They already have FULL power over me. They decide when I sleep, when I work, what to buy, what to eat, everything. I might THINK I have freedom, but I don't. There is only so much to choose from in the supermarkets; only so much choises in how to earn a living. I have the freedom to make the choices between the options they allow me to choose between. That's it.

    They OWN the game that I have to play.

    So, they can not own me MORE than the full ownership they already have over me. That means that a Univesal Basic Income does not make me more dependent than I already am.

    So gimme gimme gimme 🙂

     

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 9:03am

    DaveDD

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    Some inspiration from a friend of Anne Frank

    As I mentioned here many times before: we, us humans, have all been here before, we just need to remember...

    Never succumb to the bystander effect

    Calmeyer teaches us that evil can be resisted not necessarily by force, but by clever subterfuge. We must never get complacent and succumb to the belief that there is nothing we can do to help. 

    Laureen stresses this when she says “There is nothing as pernicious as the lame excuse: “What can I as an individual do?” People can undermine evil by sabotaging it and most of all, by banding together against it”. 

    This passage is from an interview of a friend of Anne Frank, Laureen Nussbaum. She wrote a book honoring a German laywer that, most probably, noone heard about, Hans Calmeyer. He worked within the Nazi apparatus and was able to save twice as many Jews for example Schindler, right under the nose of the Nazi's!

    (Source)

    Edit: Hans Calmeyer is somewhat controversial, he had to protect is secret operation from the scrutiny of rabid Nazi's. I think his choices were far from easy (link). Let that also be a reminder if we are in it for the long haul, and some activities have to go underground...

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 9:16am

    French connexion

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    Pavov's best friend

    Nodding dog acquiescence - take off the mask and I start salivating!

    Great interview Chris - I am only half way through - I want to debate points about twice a minute.

    So far I have resisted the jab. Not that easy as the They have taken away most of life's pleasures from the non-vaccinated.

    Today my wife told me the the director of the hospital has ordered "le huissier" to summon nurses to work who have not shown up for work - with the threat that the police will hunt them down for illegally not being at work without notification ie no excuse - not being sick at home.

    Maybe I should have stayed a hippie - copping out of the system is basically what you have done Chris, n'est pas?

     

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 9:18am

    Steven Kelso

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    Useful Idiot

    I want to preface this video by saying that I will interview anybody about anything.  If you value learning, as I do, then you know that you have to consider all sides of every issue.  It’s non-negotiable.  If you’re serious about learning, then you are serious about listening especially to people with whom you do not entirely or even remotely agree.  - Chris Martenson

    I invoke the Genetic Fallacy because racism offends me. - Bigby Suvins

    One of these premises is not like the other one.
    Only propagandists ignore their premises.

    I can empathize with the folks who come on here and invoke the Genetic Fallacy for the purposes of character assassination. Fear drives people to blame. Blame is merely the articulation of pent-up anger and frustration.

    The IQ bell curve wouldn't be called the "Retard Curve". Its focus is a spectrum. As someone whose intelligence is in the upper 2.5%, I will tell you, we often empathize more with the Forest Gumps of the world (the left side of the curve), than the people on top of the hill that think they know everything.

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 9:35am

    l m bach

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    Goodbye Sanity. They warned us we'd miss Cuomo!

    https://twitter.com/jeffreyatucker/status/1442595873595273216?s=21

    Wow just when you thought it could not get any crazier.
    Quote Tweet

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    "[The vaccine] is from God to us. And we must say 'Thank you God'...There are people out there who aren’t listening to God + what God wants...I need you to be my apostles, I need you to go out and...say: We owe this to each other." NY Gov Kathy Hochul @ Christian Cultural Center
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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 10:49am

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    Never forget what one person can do, and can inspire others to do.

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/marvin-heemeyer-killdozer





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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 11:52am

    YZ_from_Katy_TX

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    YZ_from_Katy_TX said:

    "The top shareholders of Pfizer are Frank A. D'amelio, John Douglas Young, Mikael Dolsten, Vanguard Group Inc., BlackRock Inc. (BLK), and State Street Corp. (STT)."

    https://www.investopedia.com /articles/company-insights/ 082316/top-10-shareholders-pfizer-pfe.asp

    So anyone who has a 401k probably has some Vanguard  fund... and so is investing in Pfizer

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 1:06pm

    Nate

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    The good German

    Most of us won't get involved in this shit show.  As individuals we will become more resilient in ways each of us defines resilient.  And mostly just lay low, hoping someone else will fix the problem.  Or hope that Australia or Europe will blow up first and Schwab and company throw in the towel, leaving America free to go back to..........whatever.

    Fourth turnings are more fun to read about than live through.  Unfortunately, this is the tip of the iceberg.  And we don't know how we will come out on the other side.  Doing nothing will result in an ugly outcome for future generations.

    https://www.creators.com/read/dennis-prager/01/21/i-now-better-understand-the-good-german

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 5:51pm

    jarodonnell

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    jarodonnell said:

    See the last two Paragraphs here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease
    In sum: A leaky vaccine selects more virulent virus strains for propagation.   Common symptoms of Marek's were mild in the 70's and it's universally fatal to unvaccinated chickens now.

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 6:20pm

    richcabot

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    Pierre Kory has been proven correct in practice

    You cite Kory as fringe because only 10% of practicing physicians agree with him.  The other 90% simply accept what the CDC and NIH put out at face value.  The data from Uttar Pradesh in India is all the proof that should be needed as to the correctness of Dr Kory.  An Indian state with 243 million people achieved a daily case count around a dozen through the extensive use of Ivermectin.

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 6:27pm

    vidagalore

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    vidagalore said:

    Great interview, thank you. David is spot on about this. 1) if you get the jab without even checking what's in it or doing research, you have lost all self-respect. 2) if you wear a mask, you have also lost all self -respect.

    The WEF puppets like Fauci, Biden, etc. are not brilliant, they are crooked. They are also psychos, and they are managed/controlled by the people in real power, mostly using blackmail but sometimes also promises of wealth. The people who get into these positions have all done horrible things they can be blackmailed for at any moment. Imagine living like that.

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 7:20pm

    Dontknownothin

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    The FIB caught with its pants down... again

    How can all those conspiracy theorists out there say the government doesn't have our best interests at heart? How can anyone believe the FBI lies, or entraps or instigates or incites acts they then get to investigate and protect us from to show how wonderful a service they provide the American people?

    That's why this article seems wildly out of character for them. It must have been for the greater good and NOT because, you know... they were in on it the whole time.

    'Murica! 🇺🇸

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  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 7:30pm

    Dontknownothin

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    I prefer to blend, but not bend

    I don't think masks are an act reflecting loss of self respect, I think they absolutely dehumanize people (as Lt Col Grossman articulates in the excellent book "On Killing"), but when in Rome, do as the Romans do. No one making themselves a target by prideful defiance lasts long enough to face the REAL struggle. Sometimes it's better to adopt stupid customs to avoid stupid arguments, and frankly blending in is a better strategy for getting close to your enemy, than screaming at them from outside their gates.

    Maybe not axiomatic truths, but a good rule of thumb. Blending with the customs is not the same as bending to the ideology. And wearing a mask isn't the same as getting the jab, and may generate less attention or inquiry.

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  • Wed, Sep 29, 2021 - 1:57am

    Canuckian

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    Canuckian said:

    Likely less than 1% of doctors (and certainly less than 10%) will back up Kory's claims.

     

    Personally I'm not persuaded by the consensus on anything. It's meaningless. If 99% of scientists said the earth was flat, that doesn't mean it's correct.

     

    Take the low-fat diet myth as an example that has persisted for at least three decades and is still stuck in some doctors' heads as the way for an obese person to lose weight despite having been completely discredited. (It actually has the exact opposite effect of what is purported!) Statin drugs are another one. At best they have a negligible effect, but with considerable downside, and yet most doctors still prescribe them.

     

    Sometimes ideas get lodged in the heads of many people, doctors included, and it can take decades to dislodge the ideas.

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  • Fri, Oct 01, 2021 - 5:28pm

    Gregor Newton

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    Gregor Newton said:

    Why don't you tell us how you really feel and how everything in life really is Mr. Bigby?

     

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  • Sun, Oct 03, 2021 - 8:34pm

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    tinarock said:

    I love David Icke. I subscribe to his website at ickonic.com and listen to David's Dot Connector show every weekend. He is my number one truthteller along with Jon Rappaport, who is at nomorefakenews.com

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  • Sun, Oct 03, 2021 - 8:52pm

    tinarock

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    tinarock said:

    Jaap, Icke does not say eliminate the puppeteers.

    He says Do not comply.

    stop acquiescing in their idiotic demands, such as: resist getting vaccinated.

    I think after a break, it might do you good to listen to the rest of the video.

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  • Fri, Oct 08, 2021 - 4:17pm

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    RealFinney said:

    Wow Chris what an incredible interview! Just wanted to warn you though that there's a guy on YouTube whose copied your name and is putting up videos claiming; viruses exist, vacines provide important resistance and masks are good for providing protection against diseases suspended in water droplets.

     

    I'm wondering who will be next to reel out their parade of increasingly ridiculous claims.

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  • Mon, Oct 18, 2021 - 3:55am

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    Red Bee said:

    debt slavery is global. i’m from south east asia and it is rampant. people fear to lose their source of income so much that they give up their backbone.

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  • Mon, Oct 18, 2021 - 3:57am

    Red Bee

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    What’s next?

    So what happens if they succeed and they have full control of the planet/people? What does this scenario look like?

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