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    It doesn’t have to be this way

    We can and should be doing better...
    by Chris Martenson

    Friday, November 13, 2020, 4:28 AM

This is insane. Even when something dead-nuts safe like Vitamin D finally emerges, irrefutably, to be of massive benefit, what does the UK NHS do? They decide to ship only 400 IU per patient/day.

That’s roughly 1/10th what’s needed to boost serum levels to the safe and effective range of 50 ng/ml.

A ‘futurecast’ from Hannibal Spotsbury explains what comes next.

Also the Drug Which Shall Not Be Named (DWSNBN) is back in the news.  This time from India where it conferred a 90% reduction in Covid cases among high risk health care workers. Add it all up and there’s a TON that we could be doing to effectively limit the spread and severity of Covid…but aren’t.

It doesn’t have to be this way.

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 5:13am

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    richcabot

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    Prosecute them for murder

    Whether it's a desire to make megabucks off vaccines or desire to kill Trumps reelection it's obvious that the suppression of information on Vitamin D and existing medicines is intentional. If stopping Trump is the main reason you can expect to see a change in reporting a few months into 2021 so the Biden administration can claim credit.  If vaccine profits are the issue there won't be any change next year.  Either way it’s despicable.  Prosecute them for murder

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 5:25am

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    Kat43

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    High doses of Vitamin D warrant K2 and A supplementation!!!

    Especially if calcium supplementation is involved.  K2 (not K1!!) is what helps direct calcium into hard tissues like bones and teeth where it belongs and helps keep it from forming deposits in blood vessels and kidneys.  D and A must also be balanced for this to work correctly.  D really should be obtained from sunlight (from exposure to as much skin as possible without any sunscreen).  Of course, too late in the year now for most of us.  Liver is a great source of A.  Almost no natural sources of K2 so I supplement that.

    So while it might not be a toxicity of D on its own, it can definitely do damage if your other nutrients are off.

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 5:30am

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    My meta concern...

    One way or the other - whether pure malice or collective incompetence- the Vitamin D saga implies a dark future.

    Either "we" can't see our way clear to do the right things, even when it's obvious and cheap, or we're unable to get past our operative belief systems and intervening egoic structures.

    Either way, given that, what chance do we really have of properly addressing much more intractable and complex predicaments?

    Soil depletion and nutrient recycling?  An impossibly more complex shituation [sic].

    Endless money printing to benefit the "keys to power?"  Sorry, no way you're going to dial that back absent a lot of violence.

    Oil depletion?  Nope.

    On and on.

    That's my meta concern: If you can't even do the simple things, you should write off the more complicated things.

    If your surgeon cannot manage to suture a small cut on your arm without making a mess of it, probably best not to go ahead with the open heart valve replacement and to begin seeking other options.  Know what I mean?

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 5:38am

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    Facebook is actively censoring Vita D, HCQ and Ivermectin

    Several that I know have found that these topic are deleted for violating terms of agreement or are shadow banned and never seen by others.

     

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 6:20am

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    Legal administration vs. narrative administration

    @richcabot
    If stopping Trump is the main reason you can expect to see a change in reporting a few months into 2021 so the Biden administration can claim credit.

    As we're already seeing with the Pfizer vaccine. However, this is not going to happen, because if there's a declared Biden administration, it'll be an illegal parallel narrative-based administration (perhaps supported by secessionist states?). Watch this:

    ^ Truly a must-watch ^

    What % of Americans voted for Biden purely in the hopes of returning to some semblance of "normalcy"? Not gonna happen; tyrants never roll back powergrabs.

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 6:24am

    Kat43

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    Kat43 said:

    Because it's political.  COVID-19 was politically weaponized.  It can't be adequately understood or explained outside of its political context.

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 6:46am

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    DWSNBN also works in Bulgaria - new study reports

    Absolutely effective as prophylaxis and early treatment, with Zinc!

    I heartily agree with Chris' meta analysis, and I have for several years.  We can't have an honest conversation at any level until we get rid of the overarching matrix of lies and deceit that cause so many of our otherwise intelligent and idealistic brothers and sisters to trust the "solutions" being presented to them by existing Globalist and Deep State power structures.  Job #1 has to be waking up the populace, whether through talk of 9/11, magic bullets, how debt-based fiat money really works, HCQ, or Vitamin D.  I yearn for a future in which we can have a real conversation as a Nation, as a Globe.. but for now every fucking thing is weaponized such that we remain divided and largely conquered.

    Best regards to all truth seekers,  Jim H

     

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297520301657

    Since March 2020, many of our employees were in close contact with COVID-19 cases. We offered prophylaxis with HCQ 200 mg qd for 14 days to 204 of them. 76.4% of the group (156 HCW) used HCQ and neither of them presented with COVID-19 symptoms. Unfortunately, out of the rest 48 HCW that refused HCQ prophylaxis, three developed symptoms and tested positive for COVID-19. During the last seven months, 38 HCW at BCI tested positive for COVID-19, half of them symptomatic. We suggested the following treatment regimen as an early home-based therapy for them: azithromycin 500 mg qd; HCQ 200 mg tid and Zn up to 50 mg qd for 14 days. 33 (86.8%) of them undertook this treatment, with symptoms abolishing between 2nd and 4th day, none of them requiring hospitalization and with a negative PCR on 14th day for all. The rest five HCW (13.2%) employed alternative treatment regimens, none of them including HCQ. Three of them still tested positive at 14th day and two of them required hospitalization.

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 7:13am

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    Fouci with cheese and sardines

    The two primarily discussed medical patents and the involvement from Dr. Anthony Fauci. Highlights of their conversation include:
    - Breaking down Dr. David Martin's company 'M·CAM' and how he found a way to put up intangible assets as collateral security.
    - The Bayn - Dole Act that led to Fauci profiting from royalties off University patents.
    - Fauci working for the NIAID but failing to study infectious diseases and allergies.
    - Fauci involved in dodgy deals and price-fixing medicine in the USA.
    - SARS vaccine patented in March 2019, 8 months before the COVID-19 outbreak.
    the

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 7:18am

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    French connexion

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    Over the top

    In France here we are locked-down (light). Children going to school, McDonalds is open – restaurants with real food are closed, people can go to work but have to be at home for 9pm curfew, etc

    And this week the government has voted itself special powers. Meaning that Macron can decree whatever he so pleases “for a time” – oh yeah.

    And Dr Didier Raoult who just will not fall in line – the squeeky wheel will get greased:

    https://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2020/11/12/le-professeur-raoult-poursuivi-par-l-ordre-des-medecins-des-bouches-du-rhone_6059476_3244.html

    Well two can play at this game. The government in France does not yet hold power over the justice system.

     

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 7:30am

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    Oh my goodness

    Chris, I fell out of my chair on that British bit you did.  That was awesome!!!

     

    -Travis

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 7:45am

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    Mary59

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    Elon Musk Smells BS too -

    MSM and alternative - and in between - media are reporting how Elon says something bogus is going on.

    It is interesting to note the slant the different wings of the media are taking on this story.

    Maybe Mr. Musk is controlled opposition -maybe not.

    If you google ' Elon Musk test ' you will see many many articles to select and compare.

     

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 7:54am

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    advice for long haulers?

    Chris, thanks for methodically revealing the effectiveness of simple, cheap, safe, easily available remedies for covid such as vit D, ivermectin and that other one.  Might you give some attention to helping those of us who are experiencing long haul symptoms as well?  I have no idea how to treat the persistent skin rashes I've had for 7 months.  Is there any data out there on whether long haul symptoms should be treated as an immune system dysfunction, a circulatory issue, or a still active infection?  I wish I knew where to turn to for reliable information.  Any advice?

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 8:03am

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    Prosecute or rebel?

    How can “they” be prosecuted if they own the courts and judges?

    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 8:23am

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    Benefits of Vit. K2-MK7 Specifically.

    A quick search on Youtube for Vit. K2 will bring up lots of great videos on the benefits of K2 you're referring to Kat.  The health benefits are explained here in a few key vids on the subject worth considering, including strengthening of teeth and bones, but also myelin sheath at nerve endings (counteracts Dimentia, Parkensons, and Alzheimers disease), migration of calcium out of the artery walls, and pancreas insulin production, helps with Type 2 Diabetes.  I suspect these benefits would also help fight some of the issues with COVID-19 but no one is doing tests on this combination.  K2-MK7, and D3 activate something called Osteocalcin which then binds with Calcium, storing it in teeth and bones.  It also works with something called Matrix GLa Protein to remove calcium from soft tissue, including your veins and arteries and preventing kidney stones, in the process of moving calcium from soft tissues to teeth and bones.  Dosages of D3 must be increased when taking K2.  For older women preventing/reversing osteo pinnea or osteo perosis, the recommended dosage is 200mcg/day.  For reversing arterial calcification it's almost double that.  Ratio of D3:K2 should be around 5,000 - 10,000 iu/day of D3 for every 100mcg of K2-MK-7  Here's a few key videos to watch on the topic:

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 8:26am

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    wotthecurtains

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    McDonalds is open – restaurants with real food are closed

    Ive been ranting for a while that those who like Walmart and McDs have nothing to fear and everything to love about the changes coming with The Great Reset.  Hell the meat in McDonalds burgers is mostly soy already so they don't even have to change much when we stop having meat.

     

    Still interesting to see it in France.   One of the things I loved most about Paris was this culture of little family run restaurants where an extremely high quality home cooked meal was 100 steps away no matter where you were.

     

    Incredible that people are just letting that go with almost no resistance.   Also, not so incredible based on what Ive been trying to force myself to understand about human nature over the last few years.

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 8:28am

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    Oh my goodness

    Yeah, I listen to most Chris' updates (rather than watch).    When I heard the British accent guy, I thought I could tell instantly it was Chris but the comedic timing was so damned perfect, I started to wonder.

     

    That bit about the pension was seriously top-notch.

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 8:37am

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    Canadians Bust Out!!

    Late to the party, but you know us, so reserved and unpretentious, not wanting to hog the limelight like our neighbour to the south, eh? But we never fail to bring up the rear and contribute to world affairs! (But only after the hockey game is over.) Sorry, could not resist. You know I am a true Canadian based on the self-deprecating humour thing that we do so well. Also for saying sorry, which is a genetic thing, I think. Sorry.

    The Canadian Military Declares War on Canadians

    James Corbett lays it all out in this short 19 minute video. The Great Reset propaganda machine is ramping up its efforts to foment fear and herd even we Great White North citizens into the You Will Not Own Anything, and Be Happy pen.

    Anyway, just wanted to let you all know we up here have not shirked our responsibilities and we ARE doing our part to ensure the Fourth Turning unfolds according to schedule!

    Also, I wanted to wake up a few Canadian readers - tell your family and friends, eh - we are being screwed with and it ain't a joke! Wake the fuck up people!

     

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 8:39am

    Kat43

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    K2

    I have no idea if Vitamin K2 would help with COVID.  I commented because Vitamin D supplementation, especially if taken along with calcium and without Vitamin A, is potentially harmful if not balanced with K2.  Because calcium will end up in the wrong places.  Not to be confused with K1.  Chris Masterjohn is one of the best sources of information on Vitamin K2.

    The Ultimate Vitamin K2 Resource

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 8:56am

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    Link, Please ?

    I would like to read the paper written in India.There wasn't a link in the video or below in the other links.Does anybody have a link ?

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 9:21am

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    Bradford said:

    Here in CA it appears ivermectin and doxycycline are only available online by prescription through your Vet...is this the case everywhere? Any suggestions?

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 9:26am

    wotthecurtains

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    Canadians Bust Out!!

    Straight Outta Calgary Here Yo!

    I was just about to re-up on my HCQ since its clear that Covid is being invited to stay for the long term.

     

    Buy my wife mentioned seeing a news article in the National Post not only detailing the use of the Canadian Military in spreading propaganda but it used the word propaganda and did so proudly rather than in the tone of disapproval.

     

    But you know what?  I had already forgotten about this completely.  Thats how fast shit is happening these days.  If you went on a Canadian reddit subgroup and yelled, "The Canadian Military Spreads Propaganda" you'd be told to pull your tinfoil hat off.   Linking the articles wouldnt only irritate people more.

     

    You gotta go to psychology to explain people's reaction to events now.   Everyone is watching the same movie in real time and drawing radically different conclusions.

    Ever had a family member who was just in complete denial about their (suicidal/drug addicted/sexually promiscuous/animal torturing) child?   Its the same dynamic here but on a mass scale.

     

    Thanks to the internet the mentally ill can now congregate in groups to reinforce their bizarre beliefs.  Some people have a paranoid fantasy that they are being targeted and they interpret every glance from every stranger as proof.  But now they get together with other people who have the same delusions to compare stories and egg each other on.

     

    A lot of otherwise normal people are now retreating into echo chambers of their own to have a narrative about what is happening to us reinforced.  Here in Calgary, people are pretty pissed that the govt doesnt enact more restrictions if the local reddit group is anything to go by (which admittedly it may not be).

     

    Stay mentally safe out there, eh?

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 10:20am

    Kat43

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    Ivermectin

    Plenty available online.  But if you want a source of tablets you may need to go overseas.

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 10:51am

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    Vitamin D and K2 Dosage information

    Guidance on Vitamin D, K2-MK7, and Calcium and complicating factors that affect standard dosing:

     

    As always, Dr's tend to give recommendations they are comfortable with based on studies available and other sources of reliable recommendations.  D3 and K2-MK7 can be acquired as a single gel cap at 5,000 iu's of D3 and 100 mcg of K2-MK7 so that seems to be a standard recommended ratio.  Other doctors have reported that reducing calcium in the arteries requires dosing of 360mcg of K2-MK7 and will eliminate high calcium in artery walls over 18 months, so do you then take 400mcg and 20,000 iu's of D3?  Depends on many factors Dr. Been explains in this video.  Best recommendation is to consult your Dr, but my Cardiologist would only say that the use of K2 is not something in the protocols of cardiac care and she could not make any recommendations... Malpractice Insurance CYA?  Most likely.

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 10:59am

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    Bradford

    I was able to order veterinary ivermection (safe for humans too) on Amazon.  Also available to feed/farm stores...

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 12:29pm

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    French leave

    If you disobey you get fined. So first lock the people down - now if they are where they shouldn't be - they get a fine - starting off at 135 euros. MCD has a drive through. No religious services. You are only allowed to be 1 km from your house, unless it is for work, groceries, doctor, school ...

    This is supposed to end on December 1st.

    The PCR tests do a 50 cycle turnover.

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 12:51pm

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    Eh what? Canadians in the news again?!?

    The best entry point into the corrupt world of faked elections run by today’s deep state can be found in the case study of Dominion voting Systems, a Canadian owned company based in Colorado which dominates the American elections landscape. Currently, Dominion’s software is used in 30 states and brags that it serviced 71 million voters in 1635 jurisdictions in the USA in 2016.

    Among those states where this software runs the vote reading and counting, is included every single swing state now subject to recounts and court investigations such as Nevada, Arizona, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia and Pennsylvania.

    On November 9, the Washington Examiner’s Bethany Blankley reported that “The Dominion Voting Systems, which has been used in multiple states where fraud has been alleged in the 2020 U.S. Election, was rejected three times by data communications experts from the Texas Secretary of State and Attorney General’s Office for failing to meet basic security standards.” Blankley cited Texas Secretary of State Ruth Hughs who rejected Dominions efforts to enter their state in 2019 since the systems were not “safe from fraudulent or unauthorized manipulation.”

    Going further to demonstrate its partisan bias as a deep state weapon designed to overthrow Trump, Dominion is directly connected to the Clinton Foundation through the Clinton Global Initiative’s Delian Project. This project was created in 2014 and cites on their website:

    “In 2014, Dominion Voting committed to providing emerging and post-conflict democracies with access to voting technology through its philanthropic support to the DELIAN Project, as many emerging democracies suffer from post-electoral violence due to the delay in the publishing of election results. Over the next three years, Dominion Voting will support election technology pilots with donated Automated Voting Machines (AVM), providing an improved electoral process, and therefore safer elections.”

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/11/13/hammer-and-scorecard-big-tech-drive-to-end-democracy/

    https://canadianpatriot.org/2020/11/12/new-reports-indicate-that-dominion-systems-deleted-2-7-million-trump-votes-nationwide/

    Goodness! Our Canadians are so nice and polite image is going to take a big hit, eh!

    Can't wait for the next instalment - love Matthew's work!

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 3:05pm

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    aladinangel said:

    Last time I checked, the Natural Selection Law was still NOT abolished. It works like this: everybody too st.upid to live, will die...

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 3:10pm

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    What's with using DWSNBN on YouTube rather than the drug's actual name?

    I know I'm late to this discussion, but is there a problem with articulating "hydroxychlooquine"?

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 4:27pm

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    Kids drink D3 fortified milk in the US

    Don't think anyone has commented on this yet.  Just checked on this.  In the US commercial milk and other commercial dairy must have at least 100 IU D3 per 8 oz milk.  Kids under 8 or so drink about 1.5 glasses of milk a day in the US, statistically.  Under age 18, less.  Over 18, sporadically.  Many adults don't drink it at all, and have not for many years.  Don't think any other food in the US is fortified with D3 to this extent.  May be the explanation of why younger kids don't seem to get sick, and why those who don't drink milk regularly, are much for susceptible.   Also, those of you who drink locally, small farm produced milk, raw or pasteurized, is likely not fortified.  I take supplements to counteract this lack.   What do you all think?

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 4:51pm

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    long hauler resource

    Ann and interested others:

    I realize you were addressing Chris and you may be aware of this but just in case:

    https://www.wearebodypolitic.com/covid19  Body Politic long hauler support group; lots of people going to specialists for various issues; threads organized according to symptom complex, duration, region, etc....well run, more than a few health care workers and some docs (many who worked in NYC) who contribute.   There is a dermatology thread on their site.

    Mayo and other big hospital centers are setting up post Covid clinics and some of them do remote consultations by video.

    I hope Chris does a video on this issue at some point, by my reading it may be some or all of the things you mentioned and may vary from person to person.  I am sorry you are dealing with long haul.  There is research going on now to develop treatments.

     

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 5:01pm

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    The genius of masks and sunshine back for the Spanish flu

    Before I started learning about how things really worked (and watching those great PP videos on viral loads and Vitamin D), I remember thinking "what good is a piece of cloth hanging in front of someone's face and wheeling them out in the sunshine really doing" for people during the Spanish flu.  Now I understand the genius of it, and to be able to correlate the data back then and get people to do it...brilliant.

    I have also wondered why Vegas did not become a dumpster fire like the other metros early on.  Come to think of it, does the days of non stop sun and 205 days without rain have anyting to do with it?

    For the first time in my life, I am considering a flu shot, due to a relatively high risk job (close to bus driver level exposure) and a couple of co-morbids.  I am also thinking sbout the CV19 vaccine that comes out in the future.  Will there be more than one?  How long to wait to take it?  Wait a couple of months to see how the early innoculates are doing?  Lots of things to think about.....

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 5:19pm

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    John Rappoport weighs in on the vaccine (fraud)

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/

     

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 6:16pm

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    DWSNBN=< censor

    I know it’s crazy, but mention the real word and somehow the Internet will find you and cancel out any content that may contain the actual word. So “Dwayne’s been” it is

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 7:14pm

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    re France

    According to my reading, if you run a PCR test  for 50 cycles you will get  a nearly 100% Corvid19 positive test reading for the  entire population that has been exposed for some time like  in France or  the US.  Brilliant!  Now you can use "scientific" testing as a hammer to achieve any level of social control and manipulation you choose.

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 11:29pm

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    How COVID-19 Vaccine Can Destroy Your Immune System

    How COVID-19 Vaccine Can Destroy Your Immune System (Mercola)  article dated 11/11/2020

    "Story at-a-glance

    • According to a study that examined how informed consent is given to COVID-19 vaccine trial participants, disclosure forms fail to inform volunteers that the vaccine might make them susceptible to more severe disease if they’re exposed to the virus
    • Previous coronavirus vaccine efforts — including those for SARS, MERS and RSV — have revealed a serious concern: The vaccines have a tendency to trigger antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE)
    • ADE means that rather than enhance your immunity against the infection, the vaccine actually enhances the virus’ ability to enter and infect your cells, resulting in more severe disease than had you not been vaccinated
    • Lethal Th2 immunopathology is another potential risk. A faulty T cell response can trigger allergic inflammation, and poorly functional antibodies that form immune complexes can activate the complement system, resulting in airway damage
    • There’s evidence showing the elderly — who are most vulnerable to severe COVID-19 and would need the vaccine the most — are also the most vulnerable to ADE and Th2 immunopathology"

    "Do a Risk-Benefit Analysis Before Making Up Your Mind

    In all likelihood, regardless of how effective (or ineffective) the COVID-19 vaccines end up being, they’ll be released to the public in relatively short order. Most predict one or more vaccines will be ready sometime in 2021.

    Ironically, the data we now have no longer support a mass vaccination mandate, considering the lethality of COVID-19 is lower than the flu for those under the age of 60. If you’re under the age of 40, your risk of dying from COVID-19 is just 0.01%, meaning you have a 99.99% chance of surviving the infection. And you could improve that to 99.999% if you’re metabolically flexible and vitamin D replete.

    So, really, what are we protecting against with a COVID-19 vaccine? As mentioned, the vaccines aren’t even designed to prevent infection, only reduce the severity of symptoms. Meanwhile, they could potentially make you sicker once you’re exposed to the virus. That seems like a lot of risk for a truly questionable benefit.

    To circle back to where we started, participants in current COVID-19 vaccine trials are not being told of this risk — that by getting the vaccine they may end up with more severe COVID-19 once they’re infected with the virus."

    "Lethal Th2 Immunopathology Is Another Potential Risk

    In closing, consider what this PNAS news feature states about the risk of vaccine-induced immune enhancement and dysfunction, particularly for the elderly, the very people who would need the protection a vaccine might offer the most:

    “Since the 1960s, tests of vaccine candidates for diseases such as dengue, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) have shown a paradoxical phenomenon:

    Some animals or people who received the vaccine and were later exposed to the virus developed more severe disease than those who had not been vaccinated. The vaccine-primed immune system, in certain cases, seemed to launch a shoddy response to the natural infection …

    This immune backfiring, or so-called immune enhancement, may manifest in different ways such as antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), a process in which a virus leverages antibodies to aid infection; or cell-based enhancement, a category that includes allergic inflammation caused by Th2 immunopathology. In some cases, the enhancement processes might overlap …

    Some researchers argue that although ADE has received the most attention to date, it is less likely than the other immune enhancement pathways to cause a dysregulated response to COVID-19, given what is known about the epidemiology of the virus and its behavior in the human body.

    ‘There is the potential for ADE, but the bigger problem is probably Th2 immunopathology,’ says Ralph Baric, an epidemiologist and expert in coronaviruses … at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

    In previous studies of SARS, aged mice were found to have particularly high risks of life-threatening Th2 immunopathology ... in which a faulty T cell response triggers allergic inflammation, and poorly functional antibodies that form immune complexes, activating the complement system and potentially damaging the airways.”"

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  • Sat, Nov 14, 2020 - 4:55am

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    Zinc?

    I’m not a medical expert or Chris.... but watching this all unfold it looks like CoViD19 uses up the zinc stores.  A zinc deficiency causes everything from loss of smell to gastrointestinal issues to skin rashes.

    Best Wishes

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  • Sat, Nov 14, 2020 - 8:09am

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    DisappearingCulture said:

    But is it fortified with D3 or D2? A few years ago a pharmacist patient of mine told me the prescribed version of vitamin D was D2, which is almost completely worthless for humans.

    Also not all vitamins are high quality; some are not absorbed well.

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  • Sat, Nov 14, 2020 - 9:15am

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    Source of Ivermectin and Other Medicines

    You can get ivermectin and doxycycline through IndiaMart, as well as the DWSNBN. Here is a link.

    https://dir.indiamart.com/impcat/ivermectin.html

    You may also find this article I wrote to be helpful.

    https://drbrucedale.medium.com/preventing-and-treating-covid-19-infection-with-hydroxychloroquine-a-low-risk-high-reward-strategy-16182cec38de

    Best wishes,

    Bruce

     

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  • Sat, Nov 14, 2020 - 3:41pm

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    Vit D for over 50 kg?

    Hi, does anyone know how much Vit. D to take per day to get up to 50 thingies in the blood if a person weighs significantly over 50 kilos? That's only 110 pounds....

    Thanks.

     

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  • Sat, Nov 14, 2020 - 5:04pm

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    More info then you probably want

    I found this interesting but a bit more than I wanted.  

     

    It looks like the short answer is 3,000 - 5,000 IU  a day is probably about right.

     

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  • Sun, Nov 15, 2020 - 9:54am

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    RE: Vit D for over 50 kg?

    Canuck21,

    It is very likely that "50 kg" is a typo. The tweet that Chris references, uses a 70 kg adult as an example (https://twitter.com/RobinWhittle3/status/1324455772198072320).

    The same tweet includes some graphics which suggests supplementing 72 IU of vitamin D3 per kg of body weight (33 IU per lb) to reach serum levels of 50 ng/mL. IF a person chooses to go by this estimate and that individual weighs say 200 lbs, the suggested supplement dose would be:
    200 lb * 33 IU/lb = 6600 IU of vitamin D3.

    I’m not sure who came up with this estimate nor how the example of 70 kg adult came about, so I’ll play it safe and simply include a few charts that originate from the study that the “tweet graphics” references to this reply (https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0111265).

    Since you asked how to reach serum levels of 50 ng/mL, the second half of the table below might be of interest. In regards to vitamin D, 125 nmol/L is equivalent to 50 ng/mL (specifically for vitamin D, simply multiply the ng/mL value by 2.5 to get the levels in nmol/L.)
    According to the aforementioned study, it is estimated that a person would need on average 3959 IU, 4964 IU, 6733 IU, or 11272 IU of oral vitamin D daily depending on the body mass index category this person belongs to, i.e. underweight, normal weight, overweight, or obesity – respectively.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure/image?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0111265.t004&size=large

    Here’s a line chart version from the same study depicting the relationship.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure/image?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0111265.g003&size=large

    What I find surprising with this chart is how all curves seem to flatten before even getting close to 175 nmol/L (60 ng/mL) – that’s while pushing 15000 to 20000 IU daily, mind you. These doses sound huge to me. But hey, maybe the regression model is right, or perhaps the model is more accurate at certain ranges than others.

    As you hinted, there are various factors at play such as weight, age, sun exposure, diet, intestinal absorption etc. If having your vitamin D levels measured is an option, perhaps consider that. If not, I believe the Peak Prosperity tribe, among others, are in favor of vitamin D3 supplements – especially during seasons with limited sun exposure. Unfortunately, I would also assume that the majority here will only be able to suggest a broad range such as Kathy did.

    Disclaimer: I can tell that my mind is currently stuck at 4000 IU (100 mcg) per day for an average-sized adult as an upper limit. I should probably reexamine where this threshold stems from.

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  • Mon, Nov 16, 2020 - 2:25am

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    PCR tests in France

    This is my third try. Maybe your site doesn't permit to put a film in progress.

    Please look from the 8:14 minute onwards where it is mentionned that in France PCR test are done to 50 cycles versus 25 in Germany.

    https://tprod.fr/project/hold-up/

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  • Mon, Nov 16, 2020 - 1:52pm

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    Hold-Up

    from minute 8:14 in France PCR tests for 50 cycles of amplification

     

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  • Tue, Nov 17, 2020 - 5:27am

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    High Cycle thresholds = high criminality

    @gnltabor
    As always, Dr's tend to give recommendations they are comfortable with based on studies available and other sources of reliable recommendations. D3 and K2-MK7 can be acquired as a single gel cap at 5,000 iu's of D3 and 100 mcg of K2-MK7 so that seems to be a standard recommended ratio. Other doctors have reported that reducing calcium in the arteries requires dosing of 360mcg of K2-MK7 and will eliminate high calcium in artery walls over 18 months, so do you then take 400mcg and 20,000 iu's of D3? Depends on many factors Dr. Been explains in this video. Best recommendation is to consult your Dr, but my Cardiologist would only say that the use of K2 is not something in the protocols of cardiac care and she could not make any recommendations... Malpractice Insurance CYA? Most likely.

    Agreed with those dosagings, however especially at such high levels you want to add magnesium to the mix. Most people are deficient in magnesium anyway, moreso than K2, and the calcification side-effects of superhigh vitamin D are more due to strong magnesium deficiency than K2, at least for younger folks whose bodies can still make significant amounts of K2 from K1. The older you are the more K2 supplementation is of benefit. Gut microbiome dysfuncion also plays a role as normally intestinal bacteria also produce K2.

    @French connexion
    The PCR tests do a 50 cycle turnover.

    In France? Cycle threshold is 50? Holy shit, that explains their numbers of "positives" (which I bet they also are calling "cases"), and their response to their engineered plandemic renders the French government-media power complex as absolutely criminal. The Spanish government must also be using a Ct of about 50 given similar numbers.

    Please look from the 8:14 minute onwards where it is mentionned that in France PCR test are done to 50 cycles versus 25 in Germany.

    Wow, what a perfect contrast. 25 is reasonable and even RESPONSIBLE. 33 seems to be the upper limit of reasonable. Anything above 35 is outright criminal. The Ct value being used is directly proportional to the criminality of each government. The US FDA has had it at Ct<=40 despite Fauci admitting on video that Ct>33 is useless/harmful. The UK is reportedly using Ct=45. We need International Corona Crime Tribunals.

    @VeganJim
    For the first time in my life, I am considering a flu shot, due to a relatively high risk job (close to bus driver level exposure) and a couple of co-morbids. I am also thinking sbout the CV19 vaccine that comes out in the future. Will there be more than one? How long to wait to take it? Wait a couple of months to see how the early innoculates are doing? Lots of things to think about.....

    Flu shots are very much like bullet shots, containing aluminum and mercury and a bunch of other toxins with no safety studies, no placebo-controlled trial requirements, no legal liability whatsoever... and top respected meta-reviewers admit the attenuated influenza pathogens are not even effective (but "key players in the field" like Fauci will tell you otherwise). This information is absolutely everywhere, including this site, for you to research, except on the sites owned by the various cartels that want to make you sick and even enslave you and therefore censor the information. If you want to cause massive harm to yourself, inject yourself with heavy metals (it's free!) and don't ask any questions.

    @Kathy
    It looks like the short answer is 3,000 - 5,000 IU a day is probably about right.

    and

    @lastfirst
    Disclaimer: I can tell that my mind is currently stuck at 4000 IU (100 mcg) per day for an average-sized adult as an upper limit. I should probably reexamine where this threshold stems from.

    That's a good daily dose, however we should note that the side-effects of higher doses do not occur in a vacuum, they are caused by magnesium deficiency and possibly K2 or vitamin A deficiencies. The officialists and pharma interests would like us to ignore this and just pretend that doses above 5000 (they used to say above 1000) are "dangerous"... when the only thing dangerous is these people pushing false vitamin D toxicity scares.

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  • Tue, Nov 17, 2020 - 9:41am

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    Kathy, that was not more info than i wanted

    That was excellent and answered questions I didn't even know I had.  Thank you so much for that information!  Especially for those of us with cancers like prostate or pancreatic cancer, there was tremendous relevance and value there.

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  • Tue, Nov 17, 2020 - 6:32pm

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    K2 helps the body handle the D.

    My understanding of why on the K is that it may not have much to do with the Covid.  K helps the body handle D and Ca.  It doesn't need to directly impact the virus.  It's intended to support the body's processing of D.  I saw the K studies from my obgyn who told me never to take CA for osteoporosis without Magnesium and D.  A few visits later she'd seen the early info on K helping regulate the CA/MG/D processing. 

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  • Tue, Nov 17, 2020 - 7:36pm

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    Home COVID Patient Treatment Guide - American Association of Physicians & Surgeons

    CovidPatientTreatmentGuide

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  • Wed, Nov 18, 2020 - 6:21am

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    Re: Home COVID Patient Treatment Guide - American Association of Physicians & Surgeons

    Thank you for this link, Seedsower12. CovidPatientTreatmentGuide.

    It is well written and emphasizes early use of the off label antivirals, Zinc, HCQ (a much better ionophore than Quercitin in lung tissue) and Ivermectin.

    I downloaded it for personal use in the future.

    (Be aware, that the American Association of Physicians & Surgeons is an alternative group and its views are not mainstream.   A primary doctor is likely to disagree with this protocol and cite his hospital's protocols, or the protocols of the Mayo Clinic or Mass General which pooh-pooh Ivermectin and HCQ.)

    We are mostly on our own with early outpatient treatment. 

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  • Wed, Nov 18, 2020 - 7:16am

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    HaHa

    SP a PCP citing his hospitals "protocol" is pretty hilarious. 

    The protocol is " go home , if you feel worse come back and we have nothing to offer"

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  • Wed, Nov 18, 2020 - 8:51am

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    Vit D vs Obesity

    They need to come up with a better way to rid the planet of obesity  🙂 

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 10:03am

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    Why are videos on Youtube before being on Peak Prosperity?

    Again, the latest PP video is on Youtube (posted on 11/17) and it isn't here (11/19)

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 10:48am

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    Vitamin D

    There was an prescient post on ClubOrlov on July 6

    "According to the published statistics, the coronavirus tends to be far more infectious, and far more lethal, in Democrat-controlled states than in Republican-controlled ones — a clear sign that the statistics are bogus ..."

    On the contrary, there is a good reason to believe that this is true. In general, states with a larger proportion of black voters are more likely to be Democrat-controlled, and states with a smaller proportion of black voters are more likely to be Republican-controlled. Now, it is a fact that the coronavirus tends to be more lethal for blacks than for whites - the reason is related to differences in their Vitamin D levels. Because white skin is more efficient than black skin in producing Vitamin D, people with black skin need 2 to 3 times more sunlight to produce the same amount of it than people with white skin - indeed, this is the reason that the genetic mutation that created a white skin survived and prospered in northern climates. Now in the USA, Vitamin D deficiency is common, but in the black community it is nearly universal.

    One of the little-publicized facts about coronavirus deaths is that in just about every case, the blood serum of victims has been observed to be deficient in Vitamin D. Indeed, it has been reported that almost without exception, every coronavirus victim died with a blood level of Vitamin D less than 40 ng/mL - which is a level, by the way, that is easily achieved by taking 2000 IU of supplemental Vitamin D every day.

    So, when the ethnic distribution of Vitamin D deficiency is properly considered, it is entirely logical that coronavirus is more lethal in Democrat-controlled states than in Republican-controlled ones. The real scandal here is this: why are millions of people thrown out of work, and why are pharmaceutical corporations spending fortunes on high-tech solutions that won't work, when the solution to the pandemic is already available and costs only a few cents a day?

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 11:19am

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    So depressing

    https://calgaryherald.com/health/more-people-are-surviving-severe-covid-19-but-doctors-arent-exactly-sure-why/wcm/a5336f7a-3e94-446d-bf4c-0dee63e378ad

     

    The article mentions that doctors "don't treat with drugs like HCQ that harm".

     

    My local reddit group has announced that moderators will now take an active hand in suppressing "Covid misinformation" which I find odd because the group is already an absolute echo chamber for "pro mask"/"pro social distancing"/"pro lockdown"/"pro do as the authorities say" crowd.

     

    I've seen like one guy a day on there making one comment trolls about lockdowns being stupid.  The comment gets downvoted into oblivion and the guy never follows up on the comments bashing him.   Bringing up HCQ or even vitamin D would be considered completely out of left field on that subreddit.

    Maybe Reddit generally is going on lockdown?   I'm noticing that "The science is settled" has really taken off as a means of quashing dissent lately.   

    My views about whats possible going forward from here have gotten pretty dark.   I find myself starting to wish I bought HCQ because whackos on the internet poisoned my mind with conspiracy theories about magic covid pills and vitamins.   

     

    If this were true at least I could laugh at my stupidity and then rejoin reality.    This is seriously getting dark...

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 12:23pm

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    herd-following behavior

    wot-

    I think humanity was constructed - somehow - to follow the herd.  It seems to be built in to the genes - or the epigenetics - or something. 

    The gang in charge knows this.  They take advantage.  "Settled science" says: "the herd is going in this direction."  Not one in one hundred will go against the herd.  And when they try, they get trampled.

    So, if you don't follow the herd, you must pay the price - you have a feeling of discomfort.

    Perhaps being mindful can help.  "Oh, that's just my body saying I should follow the herd."  That's what the body does.  Fortunately we have consciousness too.

    Maybe be thankful for your consciousness?  And - maybe - wait for your moment.  It will come.  I wait for my moment on my facebook feed.  I try to be strategic.  Sometimes it even works.

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 1:14pm

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    ADAM !! It’s No HOLDS Barred

    😂

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 1:27pm

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    Agree Dave

    And nice to hear from you.  I really enjoy your gold posts even if I hate the content these days.

     

    I'm definitely working on the part where I separate my feelings from my reasoning.   I also find that it helps to really narrow down on what I'm trying to accomplish when Im getting worked up about something.  Then to "zoom out" mentally and remember that I have this small life in this much larger drama and that I have choices about what to focus on.

     

    I only want to focus on the ugly long enough to learn how to steer away from it.   But I still need to focus on it at times to know its nature so that I can steer effectively.

     

    Reading that article was a bit overwhelming because Ive realized (again) that our media and public discourse is actually already are at a near Soviet level.   That sounds like hyperbole, but everything "public" is pretty tightly controlled now with "journalist shaped people" writing "journalism formatted" articles.  My whole life I was told how lucky I was not to have to live that *that*.

     

    Maybe we need a "Radio Free Sweden" to start broadcasting pirate signals onto the North American continent?

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 1:33pm

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    Drbrucedale & Zinc

    Drbrucedale, double check but I'm confident the Zelenko protocol uses 50mg of iconic zinc per day.  That may be advertised as 200mg or so of zinc sulfate.  

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 1:34pm

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    No (Rabbit) Holes Barred! ... or No holds barred?

    I think it's a play on words... No (rabbit) holes barred

    Because most of us are told we are going down rabbit holes, or have fallen deep into rabbit holes when we try to talk about Vitamin D and other cheap solutions to protect our immune system against Sars-CoV-2...

    Definition of 'Going down the rabbit hole':
    To enter into a situation or begin a process or journey that is particularly strange, problematic, difficult, complex, or chaotic, especially one that becomes increasingly so as it develops or unfolds.


    (An allusion to Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll.)

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 1:38pm

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    regarding treatment guide

    @sandpuppy,   Do you think there would be any play in sodium bicarb as an ionophore?  It does has the capacity to move minerals intracellularly.  I would imagine it could work for zinc.

    Moving on the K2 and Vitamin D.,   Both are relevant in calcium related disease.    Vitamin D has roll in calcium uptake.  and in immunity directly.    I have heard K2 affecting calcium directly.  I am uncertain of the mechanism that K2 would have on Vitamin D directly.   But, most people know of the roll of Zinc and Vitamin D, C in immunity.   But Calcium plays a major factor in immunity , that seems to garnish way less attention but is equally important.   K2 is vital to proper usage of calcium..  In the absence or deficiency of K2 ( which is common ) calcium actually can have disastrous effects on the body.

    For the record,  K2 and Mg are in my protocol.... of supplements.

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 3:42pm

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    Conversion assistance appreciated!

    Let's just say you happen to have some apple flavored horse pasty treats at home when you might need it.  I'm wondering, what does 200 mcg/kg look like?  Say you are 180 lbs, would it be like putting a health squeeze on your toothbrush? The applicator comes in a .21 oz. volume, which from my rough estimation is equivalent to approximately 6 healthy squeezes onto a tooth brush...so then each squeeze would be about .0375 oz., but then I get lost in the mcg/kg to lb x180 or maybe per 100 lbs. would be a even helpful  conversion! So how many healthy toothbrush full squeezes per 100 lb person, each day? Thank you in advance to anyone able to make this computation! By the way, I've been telling everyone who will listen to stock up on these tasty apple flavored treats! Why should only horses have all the fun!

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 4:39pm

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    Conversion is easy

    The Durvet DuraMectin is 1.87% concentration and it's a 6.08g tube.  That means there's 0.1137 g/tube.  Inverting this gives 8.8 tubes/g.  Viewing this way is convenient later on.

    The EVMS recommendation is 150-200ug/kg.  Taking the 150 number that's 68ug/lb.  

    Multiplying these together gives 6x10^-4 tubes/lb.  For a 167 lb adult that's 1/10 of a tube.

    However, it's even easier that that.  The Durvet product comes in a syringe which is calibrated in pounds (of horse).  A full tube is for a 1250 lb horse.   If you run the numbers backwards on that it means the syringe is calibrated for a 200 ug/kg (91 ug/lb) dose.  That's the high end of the EVMS recommendation. 

    Therefore you can use the calibration on the syringe and be fine.  Just dial it to your body weight and squeeze it onto a graham cracker.

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 5:06pm

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    radio free Sweden.....

    Dear Wotthe
    You make a very good point about communications and, at some point needing a pirate station to broadcast into North America.
    We have advanced, low cost technology that allows us to have public two way dialogues peer to peer world wide in a manner where others can listen in after submitting their own questions.
    Anyone else interested in this? please message me with reliable contact information.

    I expect that free discourse, including this blogsite will be blocked within a couple years and it is not too early to start preparing an alternative.

    Mots

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 5:23pm

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    Apple flavored markings

    Apple flavored goodies in a syringe.

    Close up of the syringe shows that it is marked in pounds of the animals weight.  250# increments are numbered and smaller notches are 50# each.

    Here the stop is set at 250#.  When the plunger is depressed to the stop, the correct dose for a 250# animal is dispensed.  As Richcabot concludes in the last paragraph, no math is actually needed.

    I suspect that as this gains attention, veterinary ivermectin may be removed from the shelves "to protect the public."  Might want to stock up keeping in mind that this thing could go on for years, require multiple doses, and others may need help too.

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 6:00pm

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    (2xc19+)xIVM=(0.0c19+)

    I now know 2 people who have opted to use IVM from a store to treat symptom positive, PCR positive c19. Both with multiple comorbidities including age, both c19 negative in follow up PCR and symptoms. 🙏🏼 from us all. 

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 6:58pm

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    Make it three

    I didn't test positive, but I had a close contact (office staff member).  Took the two doses and tested the next day. Negative. Not that it necessarily speaks to the efficacy, but I took it with no adverse effects and I know that some are apprehensive about that.

    Apple flavored? Heh, pure marketing. 🙂

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 7:32pm

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    Two nights

    Once twice each week

     

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 7:38pm

    Mots

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    ionophores

    Nordickjack man

    You asked about ionophores.The chemical issue is that membranes form important barriers to keep things out.  A  membrane is typically about 75-90% lipid (fatty) bilayer.  Any ion (charged particle) cannot enter and pass this oily environment.Ionophores are basically two types:1. general non specific, a small oily molecule with a pocket that can accept an ion) typically the pocket contains a counter ion (of opposite charge) so that after a positive charged ion enters, the counter ion balances out the charge to 0, allowing movement across the membrane.  These are "lipid soluble" and facilitate transport across the oily barrier. Hydroxyquinone is a zinc ionophore.  It apparently binds zinc better than other things and specifically helps that little guy get entry into the cell.2. specific transporters exist that bind the charged material. for example the discussion about niacin nucleotide: the nucleotide cannot pass because it is charged and big, a specific transmembrane protein apparently was discovered that binds this and allows it to move across the membrane.  This membrane protein is made in response to niacin deficiency, according to the alleged researchers.  These large transmembrane proteins are usually not considered "ionophores" because they have been evolved for specific targets and are complex, often naturally occurring and large proteins that take energy to make.

    your phosphate is not an ionophore (a molecule that makes a membrane porous to a charged ion), it is merely another ion

    hope this helps

    Marvin Mots Ph.D.

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  • Fri, Nov 20, 2020 - 7:34am

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    Ivermectin

    I don't know why people are making the Ivermectin thing so complicated with this paste stuff.Just order it from SA Enterprises in India, along with the Doxycycline. You get it quickly (in a couple of weeks). It is 12 mg. and you don't have to fart around with body weight, squeezing stuff out of a tube etc.

    Let's not over think this

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  • Fri, Nov 20, 2020 - 7:36am

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    So Mots

    Are you Mots or Mirv, or both?

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  • Fri, Nov 20, 2020 - 8:05am

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    Get it in a day

    The advantage of the equine Ivermectin is you can get it in a day from Amazon.  Shipping is free.  Neither is true getting pills from India.

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  • Fri, Nov 20, 2020 - 8:32am

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    Still not here

    It's now 11/20 and this video still isn't on the Peak Prosperity home page.  I only found out about it by accident through the Daily Digest.

    Also, the name is likely to turn off many viewers.  Any email I receive with Weird Trick in the subject gets deleted without reading. 

    I know Chris thinks its funny to joke about this stuff but if you are trying to reach first time viewers this is a big turn off.  Pictures of pools and Oreos don't inspire confidence in the technical content.

    My last complaint is that the discussion highlights Australia as successfully managing the virus.  They've achieved this by locking down the country to obscene levels.  They don't use medical treatments like HCQ or Ivermectin.  They are often cited as justifications for lockdowns.

    I posted a link to the video on my Facebook page.  I told people to jump to 12 minutes in so they bypass the joking.  Unfortunately the weird trick meme is still visible in the title.

    I suggest making a  very serious video that cuts directly to the relevant material about Greece, India and other countries achieving low rates medically.  Follow that with the scientific papers about vitamin D, Zinc, HCQ and Ivermectin.  Lastly, include relevant US MDs like EVMS and the Great Barrington Declaration. 

    We need an unimpeachable and concise piece whose link can be shared by email.  Otherwise the MSM censors will win and innocent people will die.

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  • Fri, Nov 20, 2020 - 9:43am

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    Mots said:

    MM: both

    I accidentally logged on under my 12 year old user name.
    I had changed names back then because I was being harassed then by some weird guy who kept pushing his cold fusion theories

     

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  • Fri, Nov 20, 2020 - 10:10am

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    Rich Cabot

    You make perfect sense BUT we no longer live in a rational world where logic has meaning and plays a central role.

    The dark ages have returned.

    The court jester is the only one allowed to speak the truth.  All serious truth tellers are put in jail or disappear.  Julian Assange, Snowden, Manning, Seth Rich, Jamal Khashoggi . All journalists have been pushed out of the NY times, CNN such as Chris Hedges, Ed Shultz, Phil Donahu etc. Even the "alternative news" has been destroyed (Glenn Greewald is a recent example). The only truth tellers we are allowed are comedians such as Jimmy Dore and Lee Camp, who are the court jesters of our new dark age.

    If you even raise the question of who killed Seth Rich your days as a journalist are over. Ditto with hydroxychloroquine, or many other subjects.
    The court jester during the last dark ages was allowed to speak truth about the King because we could pretend that he was lying.  But he was necessary to disperse the tension.

    One "workaround" to censorship is to speak in double meanings and code to those who are in on the joke. We will need more oreos and pools under the best case and will eventually use a different medium of communication under worse case.
    Things are not the same anymore.

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  • Fri, Nov 20, 2020 - 10:33am

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    Multivitamins?

    The mulitvitamin I take has the Vitamin C, D, selenium, and zinc in it. Is this an acceptable substitute for the 4 bottles you show? Any differences in the bioavailability? Still need to supplement the quercetin and NAC. 

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  • Thu, Nov 26, 2020 - 3:12pm

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    Gautret paper

    As far as I can find, Chris didn't post the complete reference to the Gautret preprint that the analysis of the collected papers on hydroxychloroquine is drawn from (minute 17ff in the video).
    I haven't been able to find the full text. I'd like to pass it on to a family member who will be skeptical, and will want to see the actual paper.

    Can anyone direct me to the reference?

    Thanks.

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  • Thu, Nov 26, 2020 - 3:50pm

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    Gautret Paper reference

    The Gautret paper link is here 

    . 2020 Jul;56(1):105949.

     doi: 10.1016/j.ijantimicag.2020.105949. Epub 2020 Mar 20.

    Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial

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  • Thu, Nov 26, 2020 - 6:54pm

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    Wonder drug or lack of high quality studies?

    • The reported sample size does not reach the target (48) for its own power calculations
    • It exceeds the predicted drop out rate of 10%
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    • All of those lost to follow up were in the treatment group with 3 being lost because of admission to Intensive Care and 1 because of death. 
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    • There is no randomisation (risk of selection bias)
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    • Those excluded from the intervention were used as controls
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    • There is no use of placebo
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    • The study is unblinded (risk of performance bias)

    The study looks good initially but after reading these qualifiers, not so much.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Some in the control group were managed in different centres to the intervention group

    • The authors didn’t use appropriate statistical methods to account for repeated measurements in the same patient.
    • The definition of  a “negative” patient was based on one negative PCR result.
    • It is evident that some control patients and one hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin patient became positive again after having a prior negative result.
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    • This paper reports only short term (up to 14 days) data, though there is still f
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    • urther findings to be published, medium and long term outcomes remain unknow

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  • Fri, Nov 27, 2020 - 8:50pm

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    Gautret paper again

    Sand puppy, thanks for the references.

    But I've looked at both papers, and apparently neither is the paper Chris is drawing from in minutes 17-19.  They refer to an open-label non-randomized clinical trial.

    Chris is discussing a preprint  of an analysis, apparently, of all the HCQ trials so far.  The chart he's referring to doesn't appear in either paper.

    A caption on the chart in the video says "Gautret, Exp Rev Clin Immunol, 2020 accepted".  But I haven't been able to find the preprint on the internet.

    Chris--where did you find this?

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