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Murder And Mayhem In The Middle East

Why it matters to those living in the West
Monday, November 30, 2015, 9:03 PM

To understand what’s happening in Syria right now, you have to understand the tactics and motivations of the US and NATO -- parties sharing interwoven aims and goals in the Middle East/North African (MENA) region.

While the populations of Europe and the US are fed raw propaganda about the regional aims involved, the reality is far different.

Where the propaganda claims that various bad dictators have to be taken out, or that democracy is the goal, neither have anything at all to do with what’s actually happening or has happened in the region.

For starters, we all know that if oil fields were not at stake then the West would care much much less about MENA affairs.

But a lot of outside interests do care. And their aims certainly and largely include controlling the region’s critical energy resources. There’s a lot of concern over whether Russia or China will instead come to dominate these last, best oil reserves on the planet.

Further, we can dispense with the idea that the US and NATO have any interest at all in human rights in this story. If they did, then they’d at least have to admit that their strategies and tactics have unleashed immeasurable suffering, as well as created the conditions for lots more. But it would be silly to try and argue about or understand regional motivations through the lenses of human rights or civilian freedoms -- as neither applies here.

Divide And Conquer

Instead, the policies in the MENA region are rooted in fracturing the region so that it will be easier to control.

That’s a very old tactic; first utilized to a great extent by Britain starting back in the 1700s. 

Divide and conquer. There’s a reason that’s a well-worn catch phrase: it’s hundreds of years old.

But to get a handle on the level of depravity involved, I think it useful to examine what happened in Libya in 2011 when NATO took out Muamar Gaddafi and left the country a broken shell -- as was intended.

I cannot really give you a good reason for NATO involving itself in taking out Gaddafi. I only have bad ones.

The official reason was that after the Arab Spring uprising in Libya in early 2011 (with plenty of evidence of Western influences in fanning those flames) things got ugly and protesters were shot. This allowed the UN to declare that it needed to protect civilians, and the ICC to charge Gaddafi with crimes against humanity, declaring that he needed to stand trial.

Here’s how it went down:

On 27 June, the ICC issued arrest warrants for Gaddafi, his son Saif al-Islam, and his brother-in-law Abdullah Senussi, head of state security, for charges concerning crimes against humanity.[268] Libyan officials rejected the ICC, claiming that it had "no legitimacy whatsoever" and highlighting that "all of its activities are directed at African leaders".[269]

That month, Amnesty International published their findings, in which they asserted that many of the accusations of mass human rights abuses made against Gaddafist forces lacked credible evidence, and were instead fabrications of the rebel forces which had been readily adopted by the western media. 

(Source)

After the ICC's indictment, it was a hop, skip and a jump to declaring a NATO-enforced ‘no fly zone’ over Libya to protect civilians.

From there it was just a straight jump to NATO actively shooting anything related to the Gaddafi government. NATO had thereby chosen sides and was directly supporting the rebellion.

The pattern in play here is always the same: cherry-picked events are used as a pretext to support the side seeking to topple the existing government and thereby leave a sectarian wasteland to flourish in the inevitable power vacuum.

If you are like most people in the West, you know almost nothing of any of this context. It’s not well reported. And Libya is rarely in the news even though it's going through increasingly desperate times.

I found a speech given by Gaddafi a few months before he was killed to be especially compelling and revealing. I will reproduce it in its entirety here:

For 40 years, or was it longer, I can't remember, I did all I could to give people houses, hospitals, schools, and when they were hungry, I gave them food. I even made Benghazi into farmland from the desert, I stood up to attacks from that cowboy Reagan, when he killed my adopted orphaned daughter, he was trying to kill me, instead he killed that poor innocent child. Then I helped my brothers and sisters from Africa with money for the African Union. 

I did all I could to help people understand the concept of real democracy, where people's committees ran our country. But that was never enough, as some told me, even people who had 10 room homes, new suits and furniture, were never satisfied, as selfish as they were they wanted more. They told Americans and other visitors, that they needed "democracy" and "freedom" never realizing it was a cut throat system, where the biggest dog eats the rest, but they were enchanted with those words, never realizing that in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to beg or go to long lines to get soup. 

No, no matter what I did, it was never enough for some, but for others, they knew I was the son of Gamal Abdel Nasser, the only true Arab and Muslim leader we've had since Salah-al-Deen, when he claimed the Suez Canal for his people, as I claimed Libya, for my people, it was his footsteps I tried to follow, to keep my people free from colonial domination - from thieves who would steal from us. 

Now, I am under attack by the biggest force in military history, my little African son, Obama wants to kill me, to take away the freedom of our country, to take away our free housing, our free medicine, our free education, our free food, and replace it with American style thievery, called "capitalism," but all of us in the Third World know what that means, it means corporations run the countries, run the world, and the people suffer. So, there is no alternative for me, I must make my stand, and if Allah wishes, I shall die by following His path, the path that has made our country rich with farmland, with food and health, and even allowed us to help our African and Arab brothers and sisters to work here with us, in the Libyan Jamahiriya. 

I do not wish to die, but if it comes to that, to save this land, my people, all the thousands who are all my children, then so be it. 

Let this testament be my voice to the world, that I stood up to crusader attacks of NATO, stood up to cruelty, stood up to betrayal, stood up to the West and its colonialist ambitions, and that I stood with my African brothers, my true Arab and Muslim brothers, as a beacon of light. When others were building castles, I lived in a modest house, and in a tent. I never forgot my youth in Sirte, I did not spend our national treasury foolishly, and like Salah-al-Deen, our great Muslim leader, who rescued Jerusalem for Islam, I took little for myself... 

In the West, some have called me "mad", "crazy", but they know the truth yet continue to lie, they know that our land is independent and free, not in the colonial grip, that my vision, my path, is, and has been clear and for my people and that I will fight to my last breath to keep us free, may Allah almighty help us to remain faithful and free. 

(Source)

Gaddafi’s great crime seems to be giving away too much oil wealth to his people. Was he a strongman? Yes, but you have to be to rule in that region right now. Was he the worst strong man? No, not by a long shot.

As bad as he was, at least he didn’t kill a million Iraqis on trumped up charges of non-existent weapons of mass destruction.  Nor was he chopping off 50 heads per week and stoning females for adultery as is the case with Saudi Arabia right now.

But again, whether he killed protestors or not, or committed war crimes or not, is irrelevant to the power structure. What mattered was that he had locked out Western interests, and instead used his country's oil wealth to provide free or extremely cheap health care, education and housing to a wide swath of Libyans.

So let’s cut to the murder scene. Here’s how it went down:

At around 08:30 local time on 20 October, Gaddafi, his army chief Abu-Bakr Yunis Jabr, his security chief Mansour Dhao, and a group of loyalists attempted to escape in a convoy of 75 vehicles.[7][8] A Royal Air Force reconnaissance aircraft spotted the convoy moving at high speed, after NATO forces intercepted a satellite phone call made by Gaddafi.[9]

NATO aircraft then fired on 11 of the vehicles, destroying one. A U.S. Predator drone operated from a base near Las Vegas[8] fired the first missiles at the convoy, hitting its target about 3 kilometres (2 mi) west of Sirte. Moments later, French Air Force Rafale fighter jets continued the bombing.[10]

The NATO bombing immobilized much of the convoy and killed dozens of loyalist fighters. Following the first strike, some 20 vehicles broke away from the main group and continued moving south. A second NATO airstrike damaged or destroyed 10 of these vehicles. According to the Financial Times, Free Libya units on the ground also struck the convoy.[11]

According to their statement, NATO was not aware at the time of the strike that Gaddafi was in the convoy. NATO stated that in accordance with Security Council Resolution 1973, it does not target individuals but only military assets that pose a threat. NATO later learned, "from open sources and Allied intelligence," that Gaddafi was in the convoy and that the strike likely contributed to his capture.[11]

(Source)

To believe NATO, it had no idea Gaddafi was in that convoy (honest!), but just managed to have a Predator drone handy as well as a large number of jets armed for ground targets (not anti-aircraft missiles, as a no-fly zone might imply). It merely struck all of these vehicles over and over again in their quest to kill everyone on board because they were “military assets that posed a threat.”

Because you live in the real world, you know that NATO knew exactly where Gaddafi was at all times and that he was in that convoy attempting to escape NATO's bombing raid.  Further, you won’t be surprised to learn that many of these vehicles were pickup trucks that really posed no military threat to NATO.  The point was to kill Gaddafi, and numerous resources were brought to bear on that mission.

Gaddafi’s killing was the assassination of a foreign leader by Western interests. In this case, Gaddafi was just yet another target in a long line of leaders that attempted to keep those same interests at bay.

After NATO was finished making a mess of Libya by taking out Gaddafi and leaving a right proper mess of a power vacuum, it simply departed -- leaving the country to fend for itself.  Libya descended, of course, into an outright civil war and has remained ever since a hotbed of sectarian violence and increasing ISIS control and presence.

If NATO/US had to follow the Pier I rule of “you break it, you buy it” they would still be in Libya offering money and assistance as the country settles down and begins the long process of rebuilding.

But no such luck. That’s absolutely not how they operate. It’s disaster capitalism in action. The idea is to break things apart and then make money off of the pieces. It's not to help people.

Otherwise, how do we explain these images?

While imperfect by many standards, all of these countries were stable and increasingly prosperous before outside interests came in and turned them into a living nightmare.

It is this context that explains why such reactionary and violent groups as ISIS arose. They are the natural response of violated people seeking to assert some control over lives that otherwise have no hope and even less meaning.

I’m not justifying ISIS; only explaining the context that led to its rise.

Speaking of which, let’s turn back to Libya:

ISIS is tightening its grip in Libya

Nov 15, 2015

GENEVA (Reuters) - Islamic State militants have consolidated control over central Libya, carrying out summary executions, beheadings and amputations, the United Nations said on Monday in a further illustration of the North African state's descent into anarchy.

All sides in Libya's multiple armed conflicts are committing breaches of international law that may amount to war crimes, including abductions, torture and the killing of civilians, according to a U.N. report.

Islamic State (IS) has gained control over swathes of territory, "committing gross abuses including public summary executions of individuals based on their religion or political allegiance", the joint report by the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights and the U.N. Support Mission in Libya said.

The U.N. had documented IS executions in their stronghold city of Sirte, in central Libya along the Mediterranean coast, and in Derna to the east, from which they were later ousted by local militias. Victims included Egyptian Copts, Ethiopians, Eritreans and a South Sudanese, the report said. 

Some were accused of "treason", others of same-sex relations, but none were given due legal process, according to the report, which covered the year through October. 

Four years after the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi, Libya is locked in a conflict between two rival governments - an official one in the east and a self-declared one controlling the capital Tripoli - and the many armed factions that back them.

(Source)

After that atrocious summary, how bad does life under Gaddafi sound now? Again, he was targeted for execution by Western interests and the resulting mess is of little surprise to anybody with even modest curiosity about how violent overthrows tend to work out in the MENA region.

But where is the UN security council denouncing the war crimes? And where is the ICC leveling crimes against humanity charges? Nowhere. There’s no more Western political interest in Libya now that it has been broken apart.

As they say in the military: once is bad luck, twice is a coincidence, but three times is enemy action. This pattern of eliminating “a very bad man” and leaving the country in a complete mess has happened three times of late, with Syria targeted to be the fourth. So enemy action it is.

ISIS and other extreme jihadist groups arose because of brutal conditions that made such harsh interpretations of ancient religious texts make sense by comparison.  When you have nothing left to believe in, one’s belief system can compensate by becoming rather inflexible.

I know I have greatly simplified a terribly complex dynamic, but -- speaking of beliefs -- I don’t believe that terrorists are born, I believe they are raised.  When one has nothing left to lose, then anything becomes possible, including strapping on a suicide belt and flicking the switch.

What I am saying is that this is not a battle between Christians and Muslims, nor is it a battle between good and evil, both characterizations that I’ve read recently in great abundance. That’s all nonsense for the masses.

This is about resources and true wealth that is being siphoned from the people who have had the misfortune to be born on top of it, and towards other regions with greater power and reach. 

There’s nothing different in what I am reading today from what the British redcoats did in India from the late 1700’s throughout the 1800’s.  Their military might assured that the East India Tea Company could continue to extract resources from the locals. 

At the time the locals were called heathens, implying they were subhuman and therefore could be safely dispatched. Now they are called terrorists -- same thing.  Dehumanize your foe to help rationalize one’s behaviors. It’s a tried and true practice of war propaganda.

How This Affects You

While we might be tempted to sit in our Western environs, secure in the idea that at least we aren’t ‘over there’ where all the bad things are happening, it would be a mistake to think that this turmoil will not impact you.

I’m not talking about the ultra-remote chance of being a victim of blow-back terrorism either. I am referring to the idea that it would be a mistake to think that any government(s) that think nothing of ruining entire MENA countries will hesitate to throw anybody else under the bus that gets in their way.

Ben Bernanke gave no thought to throwing granny under the bus in order to help the big banks get even bigger. He willingly and knowing transferred over a trillion dollars away from savers and handed it to the big banks.

Similarly, we shouldn't expect enlightened behavior to emerge from the shadows of leadership once things get even dicer on the world stage.  In fact, we should expect the opposite.

It would be a mistake to think that powers in charge would not turn their malign intent inwards toward their own populace if/when necessary. Today it’s Syria, yesterday it was Libya, but tomorrow it might be us.

The people of France recently got a small taste of the horror that has been visited upon the people of Iraq, Syria, Yemen and Libya. And while I have no interest in seeing any more violence anywhere, perhaps the people of France will finally begin to ask what happened and why. I don’t mean the fine details of the night of the massacre, but how it came to be considered a ‘thing to do’ at all by the people who did it. (For those unaware, France has been particularly involved for years in fomenting revolt within Syria)

Conclusion

My intention in stringing these dots together is so that we can have an informed discussion about what’s happening in Syria and the Middle East at large. I am not at all interested in trying to understand events through the framing lenses of religion and/or ‘terrorism’, both of which are tools of distraction in my experience.

Instead, I want to understand the power dynamics at play. And to try to peel back the layers, to understand why the powers that be consider this region so important at this moment in history.

I think they know as well as we do that the shale oil revolution is not a revolution at all but a retirement party for an oil industry that has given us everything we hold economically dear but is on its last legs.

I think that the power structures of the next twenty years are going to be utterly shaped by energy – who has it, who needs it and who’s controlling it.

Saudi Arabia is acting increasingly desperate here and I think we know why.  They have a saying there: “My father rode a camel, I drove a car, my son flies a jet and his son will ride a camel.” 

They know as well as anyone that their oil wealth will run out someday; and so, too, will the West’s interest in them.  With no giant military to protect them, the royalty in Saudi Arabia should have some serious concerns about the future.

Heck, it’s even worse than that:

Saudi Wells Running Dry — of Water — Spell End of Desert Wheat

Nov 3, 2015

Saudi Arabia became a net exporter of wheat in 1984 from producing almost none in the 1970s. The self-sufficiency program became a victim of its own success, however, as it quickly depleted aquifers that haven’t been filled since the last Ice Age.

In an unexpected U-turn, the government said in 2008 it was phasing out the policy, reducing purchases of domestic wheat each year by 12.5 percent and bridging the gap progressively with imports.

The last official local harvest occurred in May, although the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization projects that a small crop of about metric 30,000 tons for traditional specialty bakery products will "prevail" in 2016. At its peak in 1992, Saudi Arabia produced 4.1 million tons of wheat and was one of the world’s top 10 wheat exporters.

(Source)

The Saudis did something very unwise – they pumped an aquifer filled over 10,000 years ago and used it to grow wheat in the desert.  Now their wells are running dry and they have no more water.

And yet their population is expanding rapidly even as their oil fields deplete.  There’s a very bad intersection for Saudi Arabia, and the rulers know it.

It helps to explain their recent actions of lashing out against long-standing regional foes and helps to explain the increasing desperation of their moves to help destabilize (and even bomb) their neighbors.

My point here is that as resources become tight, the ruling powers can be expected to act in increasingly desperate ways.  This is a tenet of the Long Emergency of which James Kunstler wrote.

The only response that makes any sense to me, at the individual level, is to reduce your needs and increase your resilience.

This is something we cover in great detail in our new book, Prosper!: How To Prepare for the Future and Create a World Worth Inheriting, so I won’t go into all the details here.  Instead, my goal is to help cast a clarifying light on recent events and add some necessary detail that can help us more fully appreciate what’s happening around the world and why taking prudent preparations today is becoming increasingly urgent.

~ Chris Martenson

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GE Griffin

Chris,

I think GE Griffin does an amazing job of connecting dots and historical precedence that provides an instructive lens to see these events through.

Here are some his better talks outlining his thinking:

GE Griffin Talks:

1.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynVqPnMQ2sI   (Quigley Formula)

2.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdu0N1-tvU   (Collectivist Conspiracy)

3.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1-0o0cSw24   (Idea Whose Time Has Fully Come)

4. 
   (Politics of Health Freedom)
 
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Great article

Congratulations on a great article Chris.

The depravity of NATO and the politicians who support it needs as much public airing as possible. I have become totally cynical of the mainstream media  and their complicity with criminals with the propaganda and misinformation that they proliferate. I believe another reason that these regimes were targeted by the Western "powers that be' has a lot to do with the threat they pose to the petro-dollar.

The more people who become aware of what those who are charged with our defense are really doing in Syria, libya Ukraine and elsewhere, the better and the sooner positive change will come.

I also believe that ta lack of morality in government very quickly becomes reflected in society. If a government condones murder and brutality how can it be respected as an upholder of the law in civil society. This can be seen ,not only in terrorism but also in the school shootings and so on that have become prevalent.

Congratulations again.

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The good news, is that more

The good news, is that more practical advice has been written on this site. Moving from commentary/analysis to what to do. The bad news is those subscribers who have paid the $300 multiple times need to pay another $10 to get that advice.

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Close to the truth me thinks!

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Brilliant article Chris...

im waiting for the major papers to review it...im waiting...im waiting!

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What Bankers Slave said, Chris

Brilliant article! -Good job washing away the dirt clouding our eyes, here in the West!

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Regime Change and Disaster Capitalism

Excellent article.

The Libyan story is one of the best examples of the pattern played out in dozens of countries over the years. When we did it in South America the end game was to instill dictators that would go along with our looting of resources. We used to do the same in Africa. Come to think of it we did in Iran as well.

Today, in the MENA area and in Africa we seem to have opted for permanent destruction. Perhaps that's because we want to keep the oil there and maintain prices while our supplies run down. Once we need the oil from Libya we can install a dictator and run it like South America. I'm sure there's a plan in Washington, we just aren't privy to it.

An excellent read on disaster capitalism is Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein.

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Courage

Another home run Chris!  Thanks for having the courage to speak the truth about power and its corrupting influence in our world.  Your summary is one of the best I have read about the MENA region. Terrorism is profitable for a select few parties and we'll continue to fight "it" by creating more of it. 

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The Saudis are not the only idiots...

The Saudis did something very unwise – they pumped an aquifer filled over 10,000 years ago and used it to grow wheat in the desert.  Now their wells are running dry and they have no more water.

There are examples of this kind of gross stupidity all over the globe, with human hubris having wreaked havoc and created true predicaments trying to do things where they should not be done. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Ian K. - great statement: 

I also believe that a lack of morality in government very quickly becomes reflected in society.

I agree completely and it seems to me that this is reflected each and every day in our communities. Rules and to a large extent lives do not matter any more. We are descending back into survival of the fittest mode, and as Chris indicates, we would do well to take those prudent precautions with an increasing level of thoughtfulness for one's personal situation and the risks that apply to that unique situation. Depending on location some will be worse off than others, but I have no doubt that the trickle down effect of our just in time economy going bust as well as the extreme weather events being experienced all over will contribute to a much harder life for all of us at some level. It only makes sense to me to try to plan for some of the inevitable changes.

Jan

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More on Gaddafi

Here's a recent article on the events around Gaddafi's fall.

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/11/30/how-gaddafis-ouster-unleashed-terror/

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Eloi.

I'm looking at the mindset of a people who have known nothing other than peace. Note the style of the protest, not it's legitimate concern. I'm seeing the Eloi.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine

Peter wrote:
 
"Esteemed Prime Minister. I am writing to you because I am very worried about the development in Swedish society. I am met daily by news of shootings, exploding hand grenades/bombs, beatings, rapes and murders. This is our Sweden, the country that, when you and I grew up, was considered one of the safest in the world.
 
 
 
"You, in your role as Prime Minister, have a responsibility to protect everyone in the land, regardless of whether they were born here or not. Unfortunately, I can see that you are not taking your responsibility seriously. I follow the news daily, and despite our now having suffered another act of madness, this time against a mother and son at IKEA, I do not see any commitment from you? ...
 
 
 
"You should emphatically condemn the violent developments we see in this country, allocate resources to the police, customs and district attorneys to slow and fight back (not just build levees and overlook) criminal activity."
 
Sebastian wrote:
 
"Hi Stefan! After reading about the horrible deed at IKEA in Västerås, I am now wondering what you are going to do to make me feel safe going to stores and on the streets of Sweden. What 
Etcetera and so forth. 
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-30/sweden-no-apartments-no-jobs-no-shopping-without-gun
 
Thus endth a people. 
 
 
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Who is the Anti-ISIS Coalition?

Much clearer now.

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Comin home from Irbil

Best evaluation of the subject I'd heard to date. A pilot friend of mine just returned from a six-month commercial contract in Iraq(?) and summed up his experience almost as Chris's commentary has. Abbot and Costello's "Who's on First" comes to mind as does sand_puppy's previous post.

“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”



― Hermann Göring

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Thanks for posting

the updated version of "All wars are bankers wars". That is a fantastic 40 minutes of hellish truth.

I cannot listen to another politician as long as I live.

Now if we can only get the BBC and CNN interested, we might have half a chance!

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takeover of Libya

i found it curious at the time that the first thing accomplished after the Gaddaffi deposement was takeover of the 'Central Bank' by 'the rebels' 

and then the US and EUR 'recognized' their newly constituted 'Central Bank'

are there really no 'coincidences'?

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takeover of Libya

i found it curious at the time that the first thing accomplished after the Gaddaffi deposement was takeover of the 'Central Bank' by 'the rebels' 

and then the US and EUR 'recognized' their newly constituted 'Central Bank'

are there really no 'coincidences'?

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ME

You say much, yet you say little.

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Middle East.

Not once, yet one of the comments above does mention it do you mention the PetroDollar and its massive implications.

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Echoing Sentiments

As has already been said; great article, Chris. Coherency and detail aplenty

The impact of the before and after visual imagery is quite chilling. Our strategy can best be described as 'Dresden everybody'. Any wonder why those living in such places resent the West...

Once infrastructure crumbles and resources become scarce who is it that thrives in such conditions? The humble, honest worker or the merciless, sadistic thug? Our own UK parliament is currently debating whether or not to join in this debacle, can't be seen to be missing out... But it's doubtful that any of our right honourable gentlemen and gentleladies have any idea of the impact of their actions. Can you imagine the panic if someone in another country was publicly suggesting that bombing your home town was a moral obligation? What little they must think of you.

The War on Terror comes with the following disclaimer; no politician was harmed during the making of this production

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UK parliamentary opposition

UK parliamentary opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn - articulate, humane and sensible, puts well rounded case.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/01/cameron-failed-show...

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Can't believe Cameron just

Can't believe Cameron just got up today in front of his party and labelled the opposition leader a terrorist sympathiser. That's El Presidente/junta type of talk, and he should be sued for defamation.

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Not much in the way of opposition I'm afraid.

From the same newspaper as your quote;

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Labour: 231 MPs

Labour is split on the issue. The official position is that the party wants a peace settlement, but it will not rule out military action if there is a clear and unambiguous UN resolution authorising military action. Jeremy Corbyn does not believe this test has been met and will open the debate for Labour by saying so. Hilary Benn, the shadow foreign secretary, believes it has been met and will speak at the end in support of strikes. Because the shadow cabinet has agreed to hold a free vote, each MP will be able to vote with their own conscience, without being sacked from the frontbench if they choose to support the government.

Dozens of Labour MPs on the front and back benches are leaning towards voting with the government, but they are under pressure to reject war from local Momentum groups, Unite, the party’s biggest donor, and some constituency parties. It is extremely difficult to predict how many will end up supporting Cameron, but the final number voting for military action could end up being anywhere from about 30 to half the party. Corbyn told last night’s parliamentary meeting that 43% of Labour MPs - which equates to almost 100 - had indicated to the whips that they may be prepared to vote with the government. However, other Labour sources said they think the final number will be much lower than this as MPs worry about the consequences of voting with Cameron.

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No I think it will be quite

No I think it will be quite close. Cameron lost one vote on this already, and the case looks even worse than it did before.

If it does go through then give it a year for the disaster to become painfully evident. Not that they will admit it.

[on second thoughts, maybe they want to beat Corbyn more than they care about whether it's a realistic policy or not]

Dunno.

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I agree

I agree, but once the wheels get turning they just keep on turning. Again, from what I'm seeing, the policy is to 'Dresden everybody'

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Carbon Blob wrote:

No I think it will be quite close. Cameron lost one vote on this already, and the case looks even worse than it did before.

Paris has happened in between

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Luke Moffat wrote: Carbon

Luke Moffat wrote:

Carbon Blob wrote:

No I think it will be quite close. Cameron lost one vote on this already, and the case looks even worse than it did before.

Paris has happened in between

Hmm, true.

Well, I don't like shopping malls anyway so it's no skin off my nose to stay away from them for the next five years.

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So, what would be a realistic

So, what would be a realistic breakdown of the Syrian opposition ? It's definitely not 70,000 non-jihadi rebels, I'm pretty sure.

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Carbon Blob wrote: So, what

Carbon Blob wrote:

So, what would be a realistic breakdown of the Syrian opposition ? It's definitely not 70,000 non-jihadi rebels, I'm pretty sure.

I'm only going from the Guardian but it mirrors my cynicism so it seems like a nice fit

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Downing Street and the intelligence services have been coy when asked for a breakdown of the 70,000 moderate Syrian fighters cited by David Cameron as a force on the ground to defeat Islamic State.

So far no breakdown has been forthcoming.

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That to me tells it's own story. Also, there's no way those 70,000 (should they exist) will a) form a cohesive fighting force and b) all target Isis.

Further down the same article;

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The fragmented nature of the opposition is reflected in an assessment by Charles Lister, author of The Syrian Jihad: Al-Qaeda, the Islamic State and the Evolution of an Insurgency.

Among the various groups, he listed: Southern Front (58 factions), 25,000 strong; Northern Free Syrian Army (14 factions), 20,000; Tajamu Fastaqm Kama Umrat, 1,000; Thuwar al-Sham, 1,000; Jabhat al-Asala wal Tanmiya, 5,000; al-Jabhat al-Shamiya, 2,500; Kataib Nour al-Din al-Zinki, 1,500; Faylaq al-Rahman, 2,000; Faylaq al-Sham 4,000; al-Ittihad al-Islami Ajnad al-Sham, 3,000.

In short, it's bullshit

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an interesting, related link

I found this article intriguing and have been poking around the 'net more on the subject. Came across this:

“As the seemingly well-intentioned French journalist spoke about Africa’s scarcity and its limited resources, Nine smiled to himself almost condescendingly. He considered such statements an absolute joke. Africa did not, nor did it ever have, limited resources.

Nine knew something the journalist obviously didn’t: Africa was the most abundantly resourced continent on the planet bar none. Like the despots who ruled much of the region, and the foreign governments who propped them up, he knew there was more than enough wealth in Africa’s mineral resources such as gold, diamonds and oil – not to mention the land that nurtured these resources – for every man, woman and child. 

He thought it unfortunate Africa had never been able to compete on a level playing field. The continent’s almost unlimited resources were the very reason foreigners had meddled in African affairs for the past century or more. Nine knew it was Omega’s plan, and that of other greedy organizations, to siphon as much wealth as they could out of vulnerable Third World countries, especially in Africa. 

The same organizations had the formula down pat: they indirectly started civil wars in mineral-rich regions by providing arms to opposing local factions, and sometimes even helped to create famines, in order to destabilize African countries. This made the targeted countries highly vulnerable to international control. Once the outside organizations had divided and conquered, they were then able to plunder the country’s resources.” 

― James MorcanThe Ninth Orphan

While from a fictional spy thriller I find it rather spot on in it's hypothesis. Indeed if we look at so many of the popular spy thrillers, some of which are purported to have been written by ex CIA or some other agency insiders, they seem to have an awful lot in common with what we actually see going on in the real world. The sad part is that the general public laps them up as novels & bestsellers, never daring to actually think or believe they might actually be based on reality...

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islamic state

The best we can do is to return the islamic state back to back to it's basic ways, terror any one! Buy the time Libya knew it needed it's to bit penny dictator it was too late, Gaddafy was dead.

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to bit penny dictator

Hmmm.  Seems hyperinflation is upon us.....Aloha, Steve.

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I'll never learn even .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of what there is to learn.

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Thanks for more great dot

Thanks for more great dot connecting Chris. I know that if I were Saudi Arabia I'd be making sure I had some bargaining chips left when the oil runs out. Like nuclear weapons. They make you kinda difficult to ignore in that region. Probability is they've got them already - unoffically. And maybe this is another reason their great enemy Iran is so keen on having some.  Now if I could manage my own life as well as I can speculate on the policy of distant states, I might be getting somewhere....

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What if Turkey's shoot down was to protect Obama's real agenda?

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/25/what-if-the-turkish-shooting-of-russian-fighter-jet-was-also-to-protect-president-obama/

The story of CENTCOM analysts accusing commanders of manipulating intelligence reports on ISIS to appease the White House is a story that has some interest in the mainstream media – but what if it is actually connected to a larger issue?...

The presumption within the controversy (as it is generally discussed by the media) is that CENTCOM bosses changed the intel to give the impression of success to please the White House.  But what if that wasn’t the reason?...

What if the BIGGER story is that CENTCOM officers actually gave the White House accurate negative outlook intelligence, but the White House itself was ideologically adverse to the content therein?

Meaning the White House did not want to take action based on accurate intelligence, because the White House didn’t actually want to fight ISIS; they only wanted to promote the illusion of fighting ISIS.

What if, the bigger story is a potential for risk if the broader public became aware the inept U.S. response to ISIS was not based on faulty intelligence, but was rather based on the fact that President Obama, and those within his inner circle, were adverse to fighting.

Intentionally adverse.

Ideologically adverse.

What if the inept and inadequate response was not ineptitude or inadequacy, but rather an intentional and deliberate ploy to appear inept and inadequate.   The faulty intelligence story then is used as an EXCUSE, to hide the real reasoning – plausible deniability.

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Hello Arthur,

I do not get the message and conclusion when you are commenting on Sweden. Sweden as a society do also have challenges. That is for sure. We are not the safe haven of all the madness.

But what makes you conclude "Thus endth a people". Are you serious? Or do you simply base a conclusion of the future of a whole country on some random quotes from the Internet?

Please enlighten me.

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Luke Moffat wrote:Carbon

Luke Moffat wrote:

Carbon Blob wrote:

So, what would be a realistic breakdown of the Syrian opposition ? It's definitely not 70,000 non-jihadi rebels, I'm pretty sure.

I'm only going from the Guardian but it mirrors my cynicism so it seems like a nice fit

Quote:

Downing Street and the intelligence services have been coy when asked for a breakdown of the 70,000 moderate Syrian fighters cited by David Cameron as a force on the ground to defeat Islamic State.

So far no breakdown has been forthcoming.

Source

That to me tells it's own story. Also, there's no way those 70,000 (should they exist) will a) form a cohesive fighting force and b) all target Isis.

Further down the same article;

Quote:

The fragmented nature of the opposition is reflected in an assessment by Charles Lister, author of The Syrian Jihad: Al-Qaeda, the Islamic State and the Evolution of an Insurgency.

Among the various groups, he listed: Southern Front (58 factions), 25,000 strong; Northern Free Syrian Army (14 factions), 20,000; Tajamu Fastaqm Kama Umrat, 1,000; Thuwar al-Sham, 1,000; Jabhat al-Asala wal Tanmiya, 5,000; al-Jabhat al-Shamiya, 2,500; Kataib Nour al-Din al-Zinki, 1,500; Faylaq al-Rahman, 2,000; Faylaq al-Sham 4,000; al-Ittihad al-Islami Ajnad al-Sham, 3,000.

In short, it's bullshit

Yeah Charles Lister's name has been thrown around as an expert. Note that he's working for the Brookings Doha centre in Qatar, and guessing he doesn't want the Qataris to throw him out.

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and have me arrested! I am about to fund a terrorist bombing campaign in Syria!

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Bankers Slave wrote:

and have me arrested! I am about to fund a terrorist bombing campaign in Syria!

Paying your taxes again, eh?

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David Cameron already has you down as a domestic terrorist anyway, Bankers. Just be thankful he's sent our remaining four jet fighters to Syria!

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Turkey: A wholly-owned subsidiary of the CIA since 1945

http://www.sott.net/article/307515-Russia-versus-NATOs-Gladio-2-0-Turkish-jihad-from-China-to-Syria

  • Was it just a coincidence that members of this long-term, NATO-sponsored, pan-Turkic paramilitary group, with direct connections to recent Turkish-linked terrorist atrocities in China and Thailand, were in the right place at the right time to kill the Russian pilot after he ejected?
  • Was it just a coincidence that, within a couple of hours, Fox News and CNN reporters were there on the scene to interview this Turkish 'Grey Wolf' and broadcast him gloating about the murder of the Russian pilot, in doing so pushing Turkish/Russian relations past the point of no return?
  • Is it just a coincidence that this is the second time in the last 18 months that a non-EU country on Russia's border has seen its relationship with Russia destroyed over the shoot-down of a plane (MH17, previously) and promises of entry into the EU?
  • Can it really be seen as a coincidence that, just a few days before the Turkish PM was scheduled to go to Brussels to talk about getting a €3billion hand out for dealing with Syrian refugees and fast-tracking the long-sought-after Turkish entry into the 'elite' EU club, someone shoots down a Russian bomber from Turkey, forcing the Turkish government to 'own' it and thereby destroying their relationship with Russia?
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It does beg the question...

San Bernardino shooting: Dramatic video shows police storming Inland Regional Center (LA Times)

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At first, Dorothy Vong assumed it was a drill -- just like all the others at her work.

At the Inland Regional Center, where she’s a nurse, the staff works with clients and parents of clients who are sometimes angry. They have active-shooter drills every month or so.

“Drill started,” she texted her husband, Mark, around 11 a.m.

She walked to a window nearby and filmed a video as law enforcement sprinted toward the building.

“Oh, that is scary,” a voice says calmly in the background.

“They’re all geared up!” someone else says. “Rifles and everything!”

In the background, someone laughs -- they still didn’t know.

Then the reality set in.

She texted her husband again: “Well it’s real.”

Victor Valley College Alerts Public to Upcoming “Active Shooter” Training (Victor Valley News)

SWAT Team Drill Turns into REAL Mass Shooting Scenario in San Bernardino, CA (FreeThoughtProject)

Google Map (Directions between Victor Valley College & Inland Regional Center)

Hard to tell what's factual versus speculation, but I think a salient takeaway would be to avoid these whenever possible:

Edit: Food for thought...

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Dana Rohrabacher Agrees With Our Analysis

There are a large number of alignments between this statement below and the points we've been making here.  Perhaps there's some hope in DC after all?

Rohrabacher is the Chair of the House Foreign Affairs Sub-Committee.

Rohrabacher Statement on Turkey’s Clash with Russia

WASHINGTON – Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Europe, Eurasia, and Emerging Threats, on Saturday issued the following statement concerning Turkey’s shooting down of a Russian jet fighter on the Turkey-Syria border:

It is imperative that American decision-makers admit to themselves and begin basing their decisions on the hard fact that Islamic terrorism poses the primary threat to our safety and the peace of the world. Our president seems incapable of uttering the phrase Islamic terrorism, much less of overseeing a policy that will defeat this evil. His incoherence is ever more evident as events in Syria unfold.

Not radical Islam, but the Russians have been portrayed to us as the villains in this chapter of history. Yet our government demonstrates a lack of will, incompetence, or both, in confronting the most monstrous of the radical Islamic marauders now spilling vast quantities of innocent blood in the Middle East -- as well as in Africa and France.

When Russia courageously stepped into the breach we should have been applauding its willingness to confront ISIS. Instead, we continue to denigrate Russians as if they were still the Soviet Union and Putin, not Islamic terrorists, our most vicious enemy.

So now we see the travesty of a harsh condemnation of the Russians for introducing air strikes against terrorists who will murder Americans if they get the chance.

Yes, Russia does this to protect Syria’s authoritarian Assad regime, which has close ties to Moscow. So what?

Assad, like Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, is no threat to the United States or the Western world. If Assad is forced out of power he will eventually be replaced by an Islamic terrorist committed to raining down mayhem on Western countries.

Today we witness the spectacle of American decision- makers, in and out of the Obama administration, joining forces with a Turkish regime that grows more supportive of the radical Islamist movement. There is ample evidence of President Erdogan’s complicity in ISIS’s murderous rampage through Syria and Iraq.

Yet, we hold our public rebukes for the Russians, who are battling those terrorists. A Russian plane on an anti-terrorist mission did violate Turkish airspace, just as Turkish planes have strayed into Greek airspace hundreds of times over the last year. This overflight was no threat to Turkey. Still, it was shot down, as was a Russian helicopter on the way to rescue the downed Russian pilot.

Why do Americans feel compelled to kick Russia in the teeth? Russia’s military is attacking an enemy that would do us harm. Why ignore the hostile pro-terrorist maneuvering of Turkish strongman Erdogan?

President Obama is wrong. American politicians who try to sound tough at Russia’s expense in this case are not watching out for the long-term interests of the United States by undermining those fighting our primary enemy, Islamic terrorists.

Russia should be applauded. Instead, it is being castigated for doing what our government is unwilling to do to confront the terrorist offensive now butchering innocent human beings from Africa, to the Middle East, to the streets of Paris. If being in NATO means protecting Erdogan in this situation, either he shouldn’t be in NATO or we shouldn’t.

The US is up to some very inexcusable activities in the Middle East and perhaps it's time to more carefully articulate exactly what or goals are over there and which interests are being served?

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FEMA document

In the wake of yet another "mass shooting" I went back to review James Fetzer's book on the Sandy Hook shootings.  If my spidey senses were a little tingly earlier, they are practically vibrating my teeth loose now.  I certainly do not report to know what happened.  But I smell a rat.  A BIG 400 pound rat that stinks of the excrement of a failing global empire being guided into fascisim.

The inconsistencies that bothered me most:

1.  You guessed it.  There was a FEMA mass casualty drill going on that morning a 14 miles away from Sandy Hook Elementary.  The focus of the drill was on providing services to children during a mass casualty event.  Read the whole document included in Fetzer's book starting on page 219.

Here, Gene Rosen, a hero and neighbor who rescued children gives an interview in front of a sign, placed by Homeland Security requiring everyone to check in. He is an actor with the local theater company.  I recommend watching the movie "We need to talk about Sandy Hook" to see detailed discussion and various video takes of Gene Rosen's multiple interviews with multiple versions.

2.  Where are the 469 children?

According to the official report on Sandy Hook by Danbury States Attorney Stephen Sedensky (to which we refer as “The Sedensky Report”), there were 489 children present that day. Minus 20 murdered, there ought to have been 469 to evacuate (as well as around 70 more teachers, administrators and staff). But we have no pictures of their evacuation. What we have instead this “iconic” photograph:

And another shot of the same line of kids going through the same parking lot with some parents standing around watching  (!!!)

3.  Where are the firefighters, paramedics and ambulance traffic working with the dead and wounded?

As an emergency physician, this is the part that is most discordant with my experience of mass casualty situations.  EMS reports that they were NOT permitted into the school and the street out in front was so packed with parked cars that no firefighters, paramedics or ambulances could get to the scene and no evacuations were possible.  Here is the triage area set up in the school parking lot.  No photographs of any injured or dead in the triage area are published!!  This profound inconsistency strongly indicates that we are watching a drill.

One TV myth is that people who are shot are instantly dead.  Instant death is not the most common.  For me professionally, it is absolutely inconceivable to have ALL shooting victims --especially children--be pronounced dead at the scene without any attempted resuscitation.  Especially in children--if there is the slightest movement, agonal respiratory effort, active blood flow (which implies some cardiac activity), the EMS will always respond with a heroic effort to resuscitate and evacuate that child.  The scene commander would have immediately cleared the road ways.  Numerous teams of firemen/EMTs should be seen running out of the building to ambulances carrying wounded children in rescue stretchers.  But there are none.  The triage area should be full of the wounded and a frantic air of activity.

Sandy Hook Fire Chief Bill Halstead was ready to help the victims but could recall only two wounded people (Figure 10).22 A few survivors were reportedly taken to the hospital, but, oddly, these people were never interviewed. There were no first-hand accounts that proved anyone was killed or injured. Nonetheless, by the afternoon of December 14, Lt. Vance had confirmed that 18 children were pronounced dead at the scene, two children were removed to an area hospital and died at the hospital, and seven adults were pronounced dead at the scene, including the shooter.23 No emergency vehicles were present at the school or even lined up in the fire lane for a rescue attempt—the parking lot was filled with parked cars ... jammed together impeding access to the school.

No dead bodies, no EMT/Paramedics working on injured children, no injured people in the triage area, roadways blocked by parked cars making ambulance access impossible.  People standing around.  We are being shown pictures of a drill.

And this doesn't even touch the problem of no publicly reviewable death certificates, and donation request public media pages set up PRIOR to the shooting.  (Sandy Hook families have received $27 million dollars in donations.)

We have a rat.

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cmartenson wrote:

There are a large number of alignments between this statement below and the points we've been making here.  Perhaps there's some hope in DC after all?

Rohrabacher is the Chair of the House Foreign Affairs Sub-Committee.

 

The US is up to some very inexcusable activities in the Middle East and perhaps it's time to more carefully articulate exactly what or goals are over there and which interests are being served?

Unfortunately I don't believe this statement by Rohrabacher, is indicative of any sort of shift in the political/congressional Zeitgeist.    Rohrabacher attitude is an anomaly born of his personal history with Putin.    In a nutshell he's got a man crush on Putin and pretty much always  takes his case. i n every other regard, he has basically followed the   herd with the rest of our Congressional 'brain trust'     here is an article that reveals a bit on his special love for Vlad...

.http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/01/putins-washington-113894

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You raise some interesting points....ones I cannot contest.

On a related note everyone around me (in the northeast) is on verge of tears today because of the shooting in San Bernardino, now being blamed by local media on an arab-american couple with recent visits to Saudi Arabia, strong religious leanings etc....final determination pending. So I am not able to think this one through.  Things here are pretty emotional in my little universe. I see this California event as blowback in keeping with the ideas in Chris' analysis above but who knows at this point. I am just sad to see it happen.

Why would they fake an event like Sandy Hook? This is a sincere question though I don't feel entitled to a simple answer I will ask anyway.  I am confused and addled by sadness/anxiety over this recent event in Cali.

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

Syed Rizwan Farook -- one-half of the couple behind the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting, with his wife Tashfeen Malik, of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.

Still, it wasn't necessarily the only driver behind the carnage, as workplace grievances may have also played a role. President Barack Obama hinted as much Thursday when he said that the attackers may have had "mixed motives."

Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia for several weeks in 2013 on the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Muslims are required to take at least once in their lifetime, which didn't raise red flags, said two government officials. It was during this trip that he met Malik, a native of Pakistan who came to the United States on a "fiancée visa" and later became a lawful permanent resident.

Officials had previously said that neither Farook and Malik were known to the FBI or on a list of potentially radicalized people. Nor had they had any known interactions with police until Wednesday's deadly shootout that culminated in their deaths.

Yet Farook himself had communicated by phone and via social media with more than one person being investigated for terrorism, law enforcement officials said. A separate U.S. government official said the 28-year-old has "overseas communications and associations."

As to what role those all played in the San Bernardino carnage, the official acknowledged, " We don't know yet what they mean."

I have an idea.  Why don't we establish a huge surveillance apparatus in leading western governments, give them a gazillion dollars, tell them to conduct surveillance on every living creature on earth regardless of Constitutional restrictions, and task them with identifying terrorists and active shooters AND STOPPING THEM ! ? 

If that doesn't work, why don't we citizens take responsibility for our own safety and start carrying weapons with which to fight back the next time one of these incidents goes down?

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/12/03/ulster-county-sheriff-carry-guns/

http://www.kpho.com/story/30644963/arpaio-calls-on-250k-armed-citizens-to-stop-terrorism-and-mass-shootings

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/12/01/armed-citizens-deter-terrorist-attacks-in-detroit-police-chief-says/

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Fredrik

It's the exponential function again Fredrick.

What's your birthrate?  What is the immigrants birthrate?  Project those trends into the future. 

There is merit in living in the present moment, however we are model makers for a reason. And my model for Sweden is that in the future it will be a satellite of Syria, and that all trace of what has made you special will have vanished from the face of the Earth. 

There are some who glorify genocide.  I am not of their ilk. There are others who go quietly into the night. And yet others who can be made to feel guilty for breathing, and can be convinced that their only salvation is to throw their daughters at their accusers. They fill me with lip curling disgust. 

However,  a note of hope. There is a reason that the messages were written in that very polite style. And no,  politeness is not a product of  "being nice". It is a product of violence. The Swedes are polite because of their bloodlines. 

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When we are traumatized, we temporarily melt into a child-like state.  Our thinking is slowed and clumsy.  We ask God "Why?"   We reach to parental figures for soothing and protection.

So this is an ideal time for a parental figure to step in and say soothing words and to promise to protect. 

It seems to me that the formula is that a kind-hearted president, full of sadness, but stately and composed, addresses the nation, offers sympathy, leads us in a prayer for peace, and introduces legislation that further centralizes control "for the protection of our children."

Our hearts are broken.  We all agree that "we need to do something" and legislation is promptly passed by a somber congress.  The surveillance / police / disarmed populous structure ratchets one notch tighter.

If we look at the roles the Sandy Hook families played in the weeks and months following the event, clues to the purpose are offered.  They went on national TV, talk shows and news, and widely toured as advocates of gun control.

(Run this google search:  Sandy Hook parents speak about gun control)

A totalitarian rule is simply impossible with an armed populous.

Naomi Klein (and others) have written about the domination of citizens by a fascist domestic military force.  One of the elements to establishing dominance is to humiliate and brutalize the population.  She describes (can't find the link) having squads of police stop a family on the street of Berlin in the 1930s and demand one member drink a cup of urine or ipecac (which causes vomiting).  If they refused they were all beaten up.  So to protect the family, the mother or father would drink the cup of urine.  The police would then laugh at him and let the family go.  Thus establishing dominance.  (Spiral Dynamics RED Meme.)

This type of domination / humiliation could never be done if a population were armed.

As Mao explained,

All political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.  The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can every be used to command the party.

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