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    India Bans Many Pharmaceutical Exports

    Supply chain disruptions intensify
    by Chris Martenson

    Wednesday, March 4, 2020, 3:15 PM

SARS-COV-2 has two distinct types (S-Cov and L-Cov) circulating which may explain why some areas are being hit harder than others.

India’s cases have jumped straight through a handful of cases to a small cluster (for a total of 28 cases).  In response to this and to the loss of precursor chemical from China, India immediately banned the export of 26 important pharmaceutical products including paracetamol (acetaminophen), and clindamycin (a very useful and popular antibiotic).

Meanwhile the din of public officials claiming that face masks do more harm than good in the public’s hands has reached an embarrassing fever pitch.  They are embarrassed to admit they failed to plan and are now on a very dishonest campaign to sow confusion in the public’s mind about the use and function of masks.

Later, when sufficient masks are available ,t hey will then have to try and undo this misinformation campaign.  Maybe they should try honesty sometime?

Remember; it’s case, case, case, cluster, cluster, boom!





 

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 3:55pm

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    pohzzer

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    Thailand is the center of the world's sex tourism industry.

    There were 22,000 visitors from Wuhan alone over the holiday. They socialize almost exclusively with their contemporaries. It's a certainty most of them were infected within a month. Also a certainty a very high percentage of the subsequent foreign tourist and businessmen interacting with them got infected. Plus all the other SE Asian sex worker populations and businessmen and tourists from al over the world moving freely from country to country partaking of the local entertainment.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 4:13pm

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    Snydeman

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    Repeating my tweet...

    Chris, you’re a machine. Pleas also take care of your physicsl and mental health. All 8 forms of capital, friend. Even you!

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 4:32pm

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    I needed some humor.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 4:49pm

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    Beckett Bennett

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    Well Isn’t That Special?

    https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2020/03/04/cruise-ship-turned-away-from-asia-ports-over-coronavirus-is-headed-to-alaska/

    Lucky us?
    😳AKGrannyWGrit

     

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 4:58pm

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    Chris Martenson

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    Well That Escalated Quickly

    Looks like they didn't have a chance to get all the way home before...

    But wouldn't you know it, Royal Cruise Lines stock (RCL) went up 1.5% today.

    All hail the magic printing presses that, apparently, can make "investors" overlook the prospect that nobody ever again is getting on a cruise ship for any reason.

    Of all the things the Feb has done that are wrong, lobotomizing these ""markets"" has to be the more egregious.

     

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 5:09pm

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    Mark in Taiwan

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    No Fairy Godmother

    I think the reason that Taiwans cases have gone up so slowly is that they as a population are disciplined and prepared. A large proportion of the people here wear face masks, indeed even before the outbreak it felt impolite to NOT wear a facemask while coughing. Also, the government having learned from the 2003 outbreak, where 150 000 people were quarantined, have put measures in place very quickly. In the county where I live, where there is 1 confirmed case, there are already receiving tents outside hospitals, requests to wear masks in the hospitals and temperature screening at entrances.

    They trace connections to confirmed cases very quickly and they keep the public informed.

    They also admit that community spread is inevitable, or has already occurred but as Chris keeps saying, they are doing their best to slow the rate of infection so that the hospitals can cope.

    I think they are being realistic and very proactive, no fairy godmother here...

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 5:24pm

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    What a Nasty Virus

    As I try to piece together all the ways the Honey Badger Virus is both different and difficult, one thing is emerging; being “recovered” might not really mean that after all.

    First there’s the issue of people still being infected in a post-symptomatic phase.  Possibly for 3-4 weeks.  Don’t have a lot of good data there.

    Then there’s the issue of the virus possibly hiding out in the nervous tissue.  Again, not a lot of data yet.

    Finally, the autopsy results paint a stark picture of “irreversible” lung damage happening.

    Autopsies offer key clues for early stage COVID-19 patients

    By Leng Shumei and Zhao Yusha Source:Global Times Published: 2020/2/29

    Autopsies show severe damage to COVID-19 patients' lungs and immune system, according to a doctor in Wuhan reached by the Global Times, who called for measures to prevent fibrosis of the lungs at an early stage of the disease.

    "The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems," Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times on Friday.

    Peng said he had just talked to Liu Liang, a forensic specialist from the Tongji Medical College at Huazhong University of Science and Technology. Liu's team has reportedly conducted nine autopsies on deceased COVID-19 patients as of February 24.

    "The autopsy results Liu shared inspired me a lot. Based on the results, I think the most important thing now is to take measures at an early stage of the disease to protect patients' lungs from irreversible fibrosis," Peng noted.

    If irreversible damage is done, other measures, like those to prevent patients from oxygen deficit, will not be of much use, he said.

    So, if you’re among the 15% to 20% that go to the hospital in serious or critical condition, recovering may not mean “back to 100%.”

    That comports with this sad case here:

    “Respiratory obstruction & failure” could mean a number of things.  Perhaps a saddle embolus (clot) or maybe neurological issue that made him “forget to breathe” as one survivors account read.  Maybe a sudden recurrence of the disease?

    We don’t know, but this paints a picture of long-term consequences and health issues for those who do survive.  Some of them at least.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 5:29pm

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    Here’s a cheery near-future scenario from Brandon Smith

    http://www.alt-market.com/index.php/articles/4133-how-the-pandemic-crisis-will-probably-develop-over-the-next-year

    ...An economic crash is built into this event.  There is no way around it, and I am not simply talking about stock markets, which are a meaningless trailing indicator.  With supply chain and labor disruptions central banks can do nothing to intervene, and stimulus measures would be pointless except as a placebo for the masses.  But how bad will it actually get?

    I am doubtful of total breakdown of government unless there is a larger scale rebellion against martial law measures.  The system will remain somewhat functional, but constantly inadequate to help the public.  The system's only purpose will be to keep people inactive and in check as their prospects turn worse and worse.  Agencies like FEMA and the CDC will attempt to herd the public into "treatment centers" and camps in the worst hit areas.  Gun confiscation on the grounds of "national emergency" provisions will eventually be suggested as some people will resist.  If you and your community have had success in self quarantine do not expect to be left alone.  In fact, expect interference that will put you and your community at risk.

    Finally, a "solution" will be presented to the world by global institutions like the WHO and the IMF.  As the globalists suggested in their "Event 201" pandemic exercise which simulated a coronavirus outbreak killing 65 million people and was staged TWO MONTHS before the real pandemic started, the great fix will be to form a global financial authority to manage the response.  And thus we see the beginning of global governance...

    The solution to the problem is not more centralization, more globalization and more government power; the solution is decentralization and localized response.  The solution is for people to be less dependent on the system and more self sufficient.  And, the solution is self quarantine organized around a local model, not federal government enforcement.  If these measures are not taken soon by individuals with foresight, the elites within the establishment will make this particular crisis into a hell on earth for everyone.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 5:34pm

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    My list of symptoms/sick diary notes

    Since i saw Matties post that he might have it as well, i'm posting both these text files here. They're plain text cause i like working in notepad, nice and simple ^_^

    First is my list of symptoms. This also includes the solutions i applied to each symptoms, as there is no cure, vaccine or treatment. So that leaves Medieval science: Listen to your body, remember the old wives tales, and well... pray a little. Considering i;m still alive, i think this has some merit.
    list of symptoms

    Also my sick diary with measurements i made when things where progressing from bad to worse. This was before i was taking Ibuprofen or any other kind of medicine (not even vitamins) as i was deliberatly letting it get worse to collect data.
    sickdiary

    The main way you can diagnose this by yourself is by looking for >Fluctuating< body values. Heart rate jumping from 90bpm to 140bpm and down again as in the sickdiary. Those where consecutive measurements with the only time in between the time it took to write them down. Here's a good example of it, a series of pictures i took with my phone of my own pulse ox meter while i was in the emergency room (while the shrink was writing me a prescription for diazepam to "calm my panic disorder",). Before anybody says i was indeed panicking; I had already taken 10mg diazepam and had to wait for the shrink for *over an hour* while my burning chest symptoms had passed. I was "resigned to my fate" calm at that point cause the shrink refused to look at any of the pictures, videos or evidence i had on me. Probably as to "not feed my obsession" (i've seen shrinks from when i was 5 till 21 i know how they think):

    Wildly varying pulse ox meter results

    The readings i get now at rest while i'm feeling good while i'm sitting behind the PC is a O2% of ~98%, PI% of ~10% and a heartrate of 60 on my left index finger. When i was having one of my "attacks" i couldn't get a reading on my left hand because my pulse there was too weak, while my right hand would show <1%.

    Look for stuff that just doesn't make sense. I'm fine with a PI of 3%. I'm fine with a PI of 12%. I'm fine with a BPM of 60, 80 and 140. But not when all of that happens within 15 minutes while i'm just sitting behind the PC looking at memes the entire time!

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 5:40pm

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    Treacherous lil thing

    Also; just to mention seperatly. This thing is Horribly treacherous.

    I've been feeling good all day. I wanted to get a live pulse ox reading for that other post. I put the meter on my left hand, no pulse. Right hand, no pulse. Clearly this thing is attacking my heart and i didn't even know, i thought my right hand started tingling cause i was typing a lot.

    So. Make that 10 attacks. Dancing right now. BUT! 5 days ago 1, then 2 next day, 4 next day, 2 yesterday, 1 so far (with first "normal" readings today). So i still think i'm getting better. But the regimen continues for another 2 weeks. I'm not getting fooled again.

    Edit: 20 minutes into the routine, the tingling in my palms has receded to my finger tips. Just remember maintenance is the hardest thing in the world! Because why would you try to fix something that isn't broken? (double edit: 55 mins are up. left finger: 98 o2%, 8,8 PI%, 84 bpm. That's what i mean by strange. How the hell, after dancing/bouncing for an hour straight, is my BPM not higher then 84? I went to the gym for 2+ years and i haven't for 6 months. Paid a personal trainer 1200 euros. I know my heartbeat. 10 seconds on the elliptical and i hit 140 bpm easy).

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 5:46pm

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    Virus attacks nervous system

    AH i hadn't watched the video far enough. Deleted the other link. But this one is still new info: Covid attacks the nervous system, beijing hospital finds (1st known case):
    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/beijing-hospital-confirms-covid-19-attacks-central-nervous-system

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 5:48pm

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    Some interesting articles

     

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/04/heres-how-to-tell-if-you-have-the-coronavirus-and-when-to-see-a-doctor/

    https://healthpolicy.fsi.stanford.edu/news/how-taiwan-used-big-data-transparency-central-command-protect-its-people-coronavirus

    China suppressed Covid-19 with AI and big data

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pence-promises-coronavirus-testing-will-be-covered-by-private-insurance-medicare

    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/03/04/Italy-shutters-all-schools-universities-as-COVID-19-death-toll-reaches-107/2961583308555/?sl=3

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 6:26pm

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    Fibrosis of the lungs

    How can we prevent fibrosis early, Chris?

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 6:26pm

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    Don't Forget Other Expenses If You Go To Get Tested

    There's been a story going around of a man and his daughter who went in to the ER in Florida, thinking he had Covid19. Turns out he had the flu instead. The story says he was charged $3000 for the test.

    Here's a fact check:

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/04/facebook-posts/coronavirus-testing-free-there-could-be-other-cost/

    Note, he never got the Covid19 test. Had he gotten one, he would not have been charged though.

    He insisted that he be given the flu test, assuming that if he tested negative for the flu, and having visited China, he would then have Covid19. His $3000 bill was for the flu test, and some other things, including an ambulance ride I believe.

    Now his insurance company did jerk him around, trying to weasel out of paying by claiming he needed to prove it wasn't related to a preexisting condition with three years of medical records. They knew I'm sure almost no one can provide that. Funny how they 180'd when the newspaper started asking questions.

    My take away, remember the sick care industry isn't there to make you well, its to bleed every bit of money out of you it can. Be wise if you have to use any part of it. If you have insurance, make sure everyone who sees you is in your network. If a lab coat comes up to look at your chart, ask them who they are and why are they looking at your chart. Don't be intimidated by them. Way too many health professionals pad their income with so called "drive by" billing, the practice of going around and looking at charts, then submitting a bill to you and your insurance company in hopes you or they will pay.

    One of my friends on a recent hospital stay, went so far as to put a sign on his bed chart that said "If you aren't in my insurance network, I WILL NOT PAY YOU!" He said he watched two doctor types come into his room, say hello and pick up his chart, see the sign and immediately leave.

    Just like the a$$holes trying to charge $10 for a can of spinach, there will be people in the sick care industry looking to profit off this crisis.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 6:39pm

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    So here we are 3-4-20









     

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 6:40pm

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    Too Poor To Be Sick / Pandemic Preparedness Allowance

    With the Feds dropping the rate to pump billions of liquidity into the spooked Market to rescue the Rich, people are starting to ask the question, "What about the people too poor to self quarantine if they get sick?"

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-americas-lack-of-paid-sick-time-may-raise-coronavirus-risk/

    "The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is urging employees to stay home if they have respiratory illnesses, part of its recommendations for controlling the spread of the coronavirus. But that common sense guidance is running smack into reality for many Americans: An estimated 3 in 10 low-wage workers don't get paid sick time, while many can't afford the loss of earnings by staying home if they're ill."

    You know at some point helicopter money is going to be needed. If Trump wanted to win in a landslide in November, he should propose that everyone in the county receive a "Pandemic Preparedness Allowance" of say $1000. There is something like 330 million people in the United States, so that would come out to a mere 3 billion dollars. If not Trump, then the Democratic candidate. First one that does, wins the election.

    Remind me how much has been pumped into the Repo market since September?

    That would be 3 billion dollars that would go right into the economy too, for preparation supplies, rents, bills and other things that poor and lower middle class people need. Businesses would benefit too. And it would go a long way to keeping sick people out of the public and infecting other people. You could justify it as a way to cut health care costs too.

    Heck, make it $2000 for just 6 billion and pay for it with a financial transaction tax that last for a year. That would cut down on the computer trading and lower volatility too, stabilizing the Markets.

    Not much chance of that happening, is it. Look for a lot of domestic troubles this year. Funny I thought the American Empire would end with a bang (of civil war) instead of a whimper of a cough.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 6:40pm

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    Chris, a further analysis of RCL stock going up today

    RCL or Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. (not Royal Cruise Line) is a direct competitor to Carnival Corporation which owns Princes Cruises.  Since now a second Princess ship has been afflicted with the corona virus, the thinking may be that cruise passengers (known to be a pretty persistent lot) will shift their purchasing from Princess to Royal Caribbean.  So the key would be comparing RCL to CCL stock today.  And indeed, they followed an identical pattern.  So yes, you are most likely correct in identifying the Fed, once again, riding to the rescue.

    One wonders in amazement how long this can go on.  I thought it'd be over back in 2012.  But it's still happening and shows no signs of abating.  Unreal.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 6:55pm

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    the corona virus is an malevolent government's dream

    Its culls the unproductive sick.

    It culls the unproductive elderly.

    It culls the unproductive poor.

    It discourages large gatherings, especially those that may involve very close physical proximity and physical contact, such as may occur in places of worship.

    It leaves the young and healthy largely intact, those who will be and have been more subject to the politically correct education/brainwashing of recent years.

    It demands more central power and control to stop it including the possibility of implementing martial law or the peace time equivalent of a war powers act..

    It demands getting rid of dirty cash in favor of a clean digital currency to stop it.

    It raises the specter of an enemy possibly acting via biological means, giving pretense for a war that will provide both distraction and potential economic gain (at least for some).

    What's not to like if you're a sociopathic elite bent on total control and domination?

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 6:57pm

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    OH i should mention something

    When i was waiting in the emergency room, they did give me a good 3M face mask. But it made things worse. Obviously putting an obstruction in front of your mouth when you have trouble breathing isn't very helpful.

    I ended up putting it on correctly including pinching my nose; but aside from blocking my breath, it didn't do much as i've got somewhat of a beard after being home for a few days. If it doesn't make a good seal, all the air exhaled just comes out of the bottom.

    When i took it off i was foaming at the mouth. They didn't exactly take kindly to that either. But it was just because my mouth was so dry and with the air being stuck between my mouth and the mask it got real hot real quick.

    Honestly the only way to stop this is to filter everybody who doesn't have it. Because if somebody develops shortness of breath they will continually mess with the mask because with it *they can't breathe*.

    And i doubt the surgical mask helps against Aerosols. Better then nothing sure but still.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 7:17pm

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    Your institutions have failed you...

    I don't need to beat the dead horse here so I'll be short.. one word comes to mind: incompetence... from the top down. The level of ineptitude shown by these three letter organizations is criminal and will undoubtedly lead to our undoing. As an insider who knows how the response operations have been implemented, I'm comfortable in saying that we were doomed from the start. From the leadership, to the training, to the logistical strategizing, to the responders themselves. Poor, poor, poor, and piss poor. The biggest battle they've fought is against themselves.. so much infighting and pissing matches that they LET this virus get as bad as it is now. And now they insult our intelligence by trying to cover it up with false narratives, excuses, and other distractions. But even the most dense individuals are starting to get a sniff of something fishy going on.. and the worst part is that these orgs have deceived their own employees to the point that they believe they've done enough.. people are coming back from these deployments like the job is done.. when the worst is yet to come. I've heard "it's just like the flu" so many times that I've had to walk out the office. I've tried conversations, I've tried showing people numbers, I've even introduced the case..case..cluster..cluster boom dynamic. Nothings getting through. And I apologize to Chris, Adam, and the people in this forum who work so hard to reveal the truth about our predicament.. and it stings more knowing that we would've been so much better off if people pulled their heads out and left their egos at the door. Again I'm sorry and just know there are still good people in those orgs fighting on your side, the side of truth. Be safe out there

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 7:23pm

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    "Paper Masks"

    When you wear a "paper mask" you risk frequently putting your hands on the printing presses, and that could do more harm than good...

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 7:30pm

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    All part of the plan

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 7:42pm

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    Taiwan virologist: new Iran strain

    article suggests different strain spreading in Iran, like Chris suggested, highly lethal:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 7:51pm

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    pohzzer said:

    How much familial visiting occurs between China and Taiwan during the holiday?

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 8:30pm

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    In the end.

    Everything will be okay in the end.

    If it's not okay, it's not the end.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 8:57pm

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    nursing home employees

    When you talk of low paid employees, think of nursing home CNA's, home health care workers, waitresses, housekeepers, laundry workers. Few have any perks such as sick leave, many have children to care for, and none have job security. Think of all the poor, sick and elderly they interact with. What happens to elderly stuck in their homes or sick elderly in nursing homes if staff don't come in?

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 9:03pm

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    clinical trial: masks work in prevention of respiratory infections in households

    Who would have thought?

    Executive summary: 80% effective - among compliant users in households, which is where most infections are transmitted.

    In an adjusted analysis of compliant subjects, masks as a group had protective efficacy in excess of 80% against clinical influenza-like illness. The efficacy against proven viral infection and between P2 masks (57%) and surgical masks (33%) was non-significant.

    https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(08)01008-4/fulltext

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 9:04pm

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    Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.

    I've never heard that one before.  Since my rational mind immediately questioned it's veracity, I decided to do an internet search for it.  Seems like it's attributed to John Lennon.  I'd argue and I'm sure some would agree with me, that John Lennon's end wasn't ok, in the end.

    Nothing new here.  I've been hearing oft repeated nonsensical sayings all my life.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 9:21pm

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    It's true Les, everything will be OK

    I thought it was pretty funny Les. Its the first thing that got a laugh out of me on this site in weeks. It sure has gotten depressing here otherwise. Why is everyone so obsessed with body counts? Entire threads are full of calculations of the dead and enumerations of the future dead. I got another laugh reading a Zerohedge article though. In that one the author asks " ...Why are the headlines NOT exclaiming COVID’s 98% survival rate?"

    LOL. Cup half full or cup half empty. Are we maybe taking this thing too seriously lately?

     

    From Zerohedge

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/six-reasons-why-covid-19-fails-sniff-test

     

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 9:53pm

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    LabCat said:

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 10:39pm

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    ** Request to PP tribe: please help PP member "Time2Help"; update re:petition to close WA schools

    Hi Time2Help and all, I couldn't find the thread under the forums to get an update on Time2Help's petition to close the Washington school district located within the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak--essentially "Ground Zero" for the US Covid-2019 pandemic. I signed the Change.org petition, but today I received a auto-message on my private email that indicated that the petition was short of meeting its goal for signatures. I'd place the link to the petition here, but I can't find it on the PP
    Forums thread. (The link/help from anyone is appreciated!)

    ** Time2Help, would you please provide us with an update on the status of your petition, the PP forum link to the petition, and information as to how we can help?

    IMO, Why this matters: 

    In Washington to date (3/4/20), there are 10 deaths from Covid-2019 and countless  symptomatic confirmed infected and asymptomatic not tested/unconfirmed infected.  This deadly virus has circulated throughout Washington unabated for at least the past six weeks, so the numbers of infected are huge and likely growing exponentially by the day. Washington is the coronavirus bellwether state for what is coming soon to your local community.

    Bottom line is that many, many more people will get sick, some seriously requiring hospitalization, and some will die. Meanwhile, these infected individuals regardless of where they along the disease continuum (i.e., asymptomatic, symptomatic, "recovered" (but still infectious??) or dead) may transmit the virus to others within/outside Washington state over the course of their illness.

    Apparently a child has tested positive within the school district that Time2Help's petition pertains to. I'm assuming, but haven't confirmed with Time2Help, that he has a connection with this school district, most likely that he has a child/children attending this school or maybe he works for the school district. (Please provide details Time2Help to the extent you feel comfortable in doing so.)

    Decision making authority for state and local pandemic mitigation efforts rest primarily with state governors, state and local health authorities, and local school district superintendents for education-related concerns.. As this pandemic spreads across the US, other states' leaders will be looking to how Washington state and local officials handle coronavirus mitigation efforts and likely follow suit.

    Time2Help's citizen petition represents a sentinel event in ensuring "authorities" and decision-makers are held accountable for their actions and/or their failures to act as stewards of the public trust and well-being. School districts have a responsibility to ensure the safety of children and staff under their stewardship and by extension, their families, to take appropriate steps to mitigate risks from the coronavirus pandemic to the extent possible.

    These mitigation efforts may include (but are not limited to) school closures, alternative educational methods and strategies (e.g, on-line education, independent study, extended time-t0-completion accommodations), and alternative work schedules and opportunities (e.g., work from home; staggered, limited work schedule, telecommuting).

    I don't reside within Washington state, nor do I have any connection to the "ground zero" school district identified within the petition. But I live on the west coast (California), two of my three of my adult "children" are in college, and those educational administrators are [clueless!] similarly slow to act with regard to taking steps to protect their students, staff,  their families and extended communities.

    So, IMO, the Time2Help is now! This sh*tshow is coming--or has already arrived--to your community. Let's work together to do what we can to protect our loved ones and those most vulnerable to this deadly pandemic.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 11:03pm

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    Here is the link to the petition

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/school-closure-petition-please-sign/

     

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 11:12pm

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    Its Not The Death Rate Nairobi

    Why is everyone so obsessed with body counts? Entire threads are full of calculations of the dead and enumerations of the future dead. I got another laugh reading a Zerohedge article though. In that one the author asks ” …Why are the headlines are NOT exclaiming COVID’s 98% survival rate?”

    If this was a magical space virus which just struck 2% of the population down in their tracks but left the rest of us alone then that would be bad. Livable but still bad. We'd have men with wagon's loudly proclaiming "Bring out your dead", but after a few weeks we all adapt. We'd probably have SNL skits about it.

    But its not the death rate, its the serious sickness rate. Not just that people who are going to be ill for weeks, but the dozen or so people who are in their chain of care. Those people don't go to work, they don't contribute to the economy. Instead of 2% out of the work force, think 25%. And health care is stretched thin now. What about a 200-300% increase in ER patients? Not a hospital in the world could handle that. They melt down from a Saturday bus accident or mass shooting. Imagine that for weeks on end.

    And then when it starts knee capping the staff it gets really ugly. That's is what is worrying me and others, including Chris I bet.

    I have absolutely NO desire to see civilization melt down. I prefer my internet porn and cold beer too much.

    BTW that Zerohedge piece is smoking crack crap...Tyler needs to stay off the pipe.

     

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 11:13pm

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    I cannot sign that petition

    If I sign that petition dtrammel then I will logically have to also sign the next one that comes along requesting that Churches, Mosques and Synagogues be closed for exactly the same reasons this petition is asking. And then it will be demands we close the local bus system down, close picnic grounds in the summer, end camps, shutter bars and clubs and make sure nobody attends any sporting events.

    Where do you think that leads? I mean, I get it, this virus kills people but we cannot kill the economy and all places where people associate to make it go away. Like schools and Universities. Even if its for the children (who are not affected by it anyway).

    Some people are still not reading the writing on the wall. This virus is already out there and can't be put back in the bottle anymore. We need to adapt to its presence but I don't agree with shutting everything down which is what petitions like this are actually advocating. If you start here then where do you stop?

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 11:16pm

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    C'mon dtrammel, Zerohedge is great

    I may not entirely agree with the author but at least he is a thinking man. Honestly that article is one of the most interesting things I have read on the subject s far because he makes some pretty good points. You know there are things taking place under the hood that 99.99% of the people have no idea about. The long bond topped today. Did you know that? And now that bubble is going to start bursting and interest rates will finally begin to rise on a trending basis. Not on your radar I am sure. But if that ZH writer had known it then it would have iced the cake on his article because it does seem kind of odd that the 30 year bond would double top right in the midst of the Coronavirus emergency. And whose fault is that? Well its the disease silly! That's what is so great about it. Nobody will be accountable here or in China. Don't you suspect the Politiburo will be just as relieved as the Fed that the virus is to blame when the Chinese debt bubble implodes?

    You say the article is crap? Maybe you are the one who needs to wake up and start paying better attention.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 11:19pm

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    Good point and I don't have an answer

    All valid Nairobi. I signed it because a PP member has a child in the affected school system and is clearly worried.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 11:21pm

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    A thin line

    There is a thin line between deep thinkers and those who are insane, lol.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 11:24pm

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    Hollywood

    Hey when Hollywood makes 'Contagion 2' do you think they will get Jude Law to play the character of Chris Martenson? Oh, how about the Laurence Fishburne character takes on the Chris role, it's a good segue from where his character was.

    Sorry, I'm just binge watching Pandemic, Contagion and Outbreak, it seemed like it needed to be done. I'm going to follow it up with The Stand and then Alien.

    It's poetic that this followed post #26

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 11:47pm

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    Measuring a fever

    You see these forehead temperature measuring devices used everywhere especially on airports and train stations.

    I have one. I know I don't have a fever. Measuring in my arm pit, 36.5 OK

    But now measuring on my forehead, 32 to 34 degrees...!

    How accurate is all this scanning on airports with these 'guns'....?

    Nobody is asking this question, everybody just assumes the government knows what they are doing.

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  • Wed, Mar 04, 2020 - 11:59pm

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    I takes care of the anti vaxxers

    It also takes care of the anti vaxxers. Only the vaccinated population will survive. So you end up with young obedient work bees.....everybody else....gone.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 12:05am

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    Nobody with breathing problems should wear a mask.

    You are making a very strong point.

    Patients with breathing problems should get extra oxygen, not less. All the health care workers surrounding the patient should wear the N95 or N99 masks, not the patient. If there are not enough N95 masks in a hospital, is a sure sign that the government under estimated the spreading of this virus.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 12:09am

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    Corona Virus - The Movie

    Hey when Hollywood makes ‘Contagion 2’ do you think they will get Jude Law to play the character of Chris Martenson? Oh, how about the Laurence Fishburne character takes on the Chris role, it’s a good segue from where his character was.

    Can we get Jeff Goldblum to play me? Thinking Independence Day. I'll even start smoking a cigar.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 12:28am

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    Thailand has something to hide

    So far 43 cases and new cases rapidly declining. Only one new case in March.

    One death.

    When you don't test on Corona, nobody has Corona and nobody dies of Corona. You can die of the flu of course. 300.000 to 650.000 people die of influenza every year..... So you can 'play' with these figures and declare somebody dead due to pneumonia, without testing for Corona. Dead is dead. Otherwise you kill the economy of Thailand and people die of hunger because there is no food left.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 12:56am

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    Seriously good swearing

    This is so funny but I warn anyone who doesn't handle heavy swearing not to watch it. Has us Kiwis and Aussies in absolute hysterics but then swearing is pretty normalised here. Has really helped us laugh at this whole virus situation.

    "It's in me eyes! It's in me f*ckin eyes!" has now become our catchphrase to cut the tension.





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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 1:11am

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    It's in mee eyes!

    Very clever Ratsney. I like how you inserted yourself into the advert at the end of the show. LOL!!!

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 1:17am

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    Petition WA school district closures, and after

    Nairobi, I get what you're saying. I believe that this Washington school district situation is timely and unique in that (IMO, but admittedly I'm not clairvoyant) is a sentinel, bellwether case concerning authorities' legal obligation to take definitive steps to mitigate risk of coronavirus spread to those under their respective stewardship. We're in uncharted territories here.

    So sign once, be a pioneer and catalyst for positive change, and be done with it knowing that you did your part to improve the lot of humanity. Sadly given this virus' trajectory, school closures will be the norm in coming months and few will remember that this Washington state school district closure was the harbinger of the  heartbreak and chaos to follow.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 1:34am

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    Count me as a denier Sparky

    Call me a denier but I just do not believe this corona virus is going to have anywhere near the impact that many people believe it will have. We are healthier than most Chinese since we are nowhere near as exposed to the pollutant levels they live with every day. Wuhan is a chemical stew of contaminated air, water and food supplies. Is it any wonder they were hit so hard? And then there is the penchant of Chinese men to smoke. They rank up there with some of the heaviest rates in the world. A combination of poor health, low levels of education or enlightenment regarding personal health, poor eating habits, a bad environment and to top it off a system that rewards cooperation and stifles individualism mean that they had the worst of all variables working against them from the outset. Honestly, I think we will weather this virus with very little disruption. As long as people remain reasonable and don't panic we will be fine. Sure, a few people will not make it. But there are always some who don't cross to the other side.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 1:44am

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    Idiocy About Masks...

    Do people actually think a sick person wearing a mask is going to be deprived of oxygen?

    Because of this threat...we cannot put a mask on the infected patient to prevent them from expectorating pathogens about and contaminating the surrounding area.  What complete nonsense.

    The effort required to breath thru a thin mask, whose purpose is to limit infected droplets and aerosols from an infected person, is quite low.  Besides, such respiratory patients, who are so weak, are already on oxygen...via a delivery tube, which is UNDER the mask.  Else, are being given oxygen via a form fitting, plastic, delivery mask, or else being ventilated with a tube.

    MASKS ARE USEFUL AND EFFECTIVE TO PREVENT THE INFECTED FROM SPREADING PATHOGENS.  AND, THEY ARE USEFUL AND EFFECTIVE IN HELPING THE NON-INFECTED FROM BECOMING INFECTED.

    Any person, or entity, which says otherwise should be ignored.  But, if one is simply ignorant of when and how to properly use a mask, their penalty might be infection...or, the spread of infection, but this will NOT be the fault of the mask.

    Evolution In Action.

     

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 1:47am

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    It isn’t German, so think “Who-Bay”, not “Who-Bai”!

    Sorry, pet peeve, Chris. The Bei in Hubei is the same Bei in Beijing, meaning north. Hubei means north of the lake.

    The Indian ban is serious. Paracetamol is their name for acetaminophen (Tylenol). Acyclovir is the generic name for Zovirax, used to treat herpes and singles and some other viruses. Various antibiotics are listed, probably to help fight opportunistic infections when people are ill from coronavirus. Progesterone can reduce inflammation in the lungs. India is thinking ahead. American manufacturers (and many others around the world) won’t be able to ramp up when crunch time comes.

    Poet

     

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 1:59am

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    I'm sorry but no

    Sorry Ision but you're making alot of assumptions here.

    1st the type of mask is important. Surgical masks are >designed< to not filter incoming air, only outgoing. Because there's not much point in protecting a surgeon's airways and if he has to breathe harder he'll end up cutting a vein through lack of concentration.

    That's not what they gave me, they gave me a 3M mask which is very hard to breathe though if your lungs are on fire, your chest hurts and you have shortness of breath anyway.

    Also when i collapsed screaming on the ground because i was having another massive attack all i got was security willing to throw me out cause i didn't want to behave.

    You are assuming the "professionals" have any clue what they're doing. They don't. You're faced with nurses/receptionists who are used to following the rules strictly rather then helping people or diagnosing a problem. That's what the doctors are for after all.

    Should we try and put a mask on everybody, including the mild cases? Hell yes. As long as somebody doesn't suffer from shortness of breath or muscle pains, the mask isn't an issue. Even in between symptoms i have no problems wearing it.

    I'm just saying people who are progressing towards severe cases *will* either take their mask off or fiddle with it constantly (defeating the point and just contaminating their hands more), or just collapse in the streets. And there's always a time lag between the moment you go from mild to severe, and the moment anybody notices.

    After i had put it on for a while, i complained it was "hard to breathe". So the security suggested to me "Well you can take it off then" AND I DID because it hurt, i was not having a good time and i honestly didn't care at that point i was more concerned with getting air.

    We're working with humans here. Not machines. Yes we should endeavor to mask everybody. But that alone isn't going to work. Especially since you don't mention eye gear and this thing is already proven to infect people via the eyes, as well ^_^

    (link to that last:https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3047394/chinese-expert-who-came-down-wuhan-coronavirus-after-saying-it-was)

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 2:04am

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    The SARS-CoV-2 virus is more likely Canadian...

    This pathogen, if you wish to blame someone outside China for its origin, is Canadian, not American.

    Simply learn about the severed relationship between China and Canada, regarding access and control of the Canadian, Level 4, bio lab, which was spawned by Chinese operatives stealing and exporting its pathogens, housed within it,  to China.  These exported and stolen pathogens went directly to the Chinese Bio Labs in Wuhan, where they were used in vaccine and weapons research...and, from where SARS-CoV-2 escaped.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 2:32am

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    I do not make any assumptions at all.

    If ignorance and stupidity is to be considered, I can safely assume everything.

    I do not consider ignorance and stupidity, and speak only to Reason, and to those capable of it.

    If one wishes to choose an improper mask, wear a mask improperly, remove it improperly, believe their mask is a magic shield, and will always be 100% effective, so be it.   I am not addressing them.

    Proper masks, worn properly, for the proper reasons, with the proper expectations, is what I assume, without the need to inform the idiots.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 3:09am

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    Really excellent news from the IMF

    I am late catching up on the news today but I just read that the IMF has created an emergency fund worth a whopping 50 billion dollars to assist poor and middle income nations deal with impacts of the CoronaVirus. The announcement came this afternoon via CNBC from the International Monetary Funds Managing Director, Kristalina Georgieva.

    And it could not have been better timing as this COVID emergency is expanding rapidly.

    I will link the video from CNBC for anyone interested in hearing what she said. But these funds are to be made available on an emergency basis beginning immediately and I was really impressed to hear the level of commitment is high. This money will be on top of billions pledged by the World Bank and an unknown level of funding coming from the World Health Organization.

    Bravo everyone!

     

    The IMF Announces 50 Billion Dollar Fund for Corona Virus Relief

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/imf-announces-50-billion-program-for-coronavirus-relief.html

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 4:25am

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    Complacent Health authorities

    Hi Chris, long time subscriber, great work!!
    Just yesterday I was fighting with my hospital administration about my right to wear P95 masks while treating patients in a hospital in Sydney. I'm an anaesthetist, so I explained we are exposed to high risk procedures like intubation, endoscopies, and patients coughing etc. The hospital has a demographic full of overseas travelers from China, Korea, Iran and their families in Australia ( what could possibly go wrong?)
    I've been following your work, and doing my own research and as a result have been asking to be given a P95 mask at work. The result of the administrators was to lock up the masks. As a result I bought a full face P95 mask at the local hardware store when there was still one left a few weeks ago, and I used this.They were concerned it would "scare patients"and were about to stand me down. Just a day later I get a call that I needed to self quarantine as I was identified as close contact with a nurse in my unit who tested positive for the virus. Very dismayed with the attitudes of the health services, the complacency and lack of transparency!
    Welcome to the forth Turning.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 4:52am

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    Scientific paper: German guidelines for testing chemical disinfectants for effectiveness against viruses in human medicine

    Hi all,

    I thought it might be useful to share a scientific paper in which the "Guideline of the German Association for the Control of Viral Diseasess (DVV) eV and the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) for testing chemical disinfectants for effectiveness against viruses in human medicine. Version of 1 December, 2014" is covered. I don't know if this specific information has been covered but maybe this could be useful. Unfortunately I'm not a native German speaker, so maybe there are Germans among us on PeakProsperity.com that can summarize the conclusions for us?

    The link is:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25893886/

    or alternatively:

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00103-015-2131-8

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 5:08am

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    6 hospitals in serious trouble in The Netherlands and Vit. D preventing getting seriously ill from COVID-19?

    Hi Chris,

    I have been following your Youtube channel for some time now, keep up the good work providing essential info to the public. I'm from #thenetherlands and I’m so annoyed by our @CDCgov the @rivm. They are a naive bunch of bureaucrats! Today we have another three hospitals in trouble, making it a total of 6 (source: https://nos.nl/artikel/2325850-ook-ziekenhuispersoneel-in-eindhoven-breda-en-den-bosch-besmet-met-corona.html). 

    Furthermore I would like to share a really interesting lecture by Dr. Seheult as he discusses compelling evidence about the possible role of Vitamin D (in proper dosage) in fighting acute respiratory infections like COVID-19. This could prevent people getting seriously ill after contracting the COVID-19 virus:





    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmqgGwT6bw0

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 5:14am

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    Close to home

    County I live in...

    https://www.wthr.com/article/eastern-hancock-schools-cancel-classes-wednesday-over-flu-outbreak

    "The absence rate has surpassed the 20 percent threshold for reporting yesterday (Monday) and today (Tuesday). I cannot recall having an illness-based sick rate that high in my 41 years," said Pfaff. ​

    The illnesses range from bronchitis and strep throat to Influenza A and Influenza B. ​

    "We had a lot of people out lately and a lot of teachers, too," said Emma Weiss, a junior at Eastern Hancock High School. ​

    Weiss, along with nearly 1,200 other students in the district, will be learning from home thanks to a new eLearning program the school system adopted this year. ​

    Some parents say because it's flu season, closing schools wasn't a surprise. ​

    https://www.wthr.com/article/eastern-hancock-schools-cancel-classes-again-thursday-over-flu-outbreak

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 5:27am

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    km64 said:

    https://www.wthr.com/article/tippecanoe-county-health-department-tests-people-covid-19-virus-declares-public-health-alert

    The Tippecanoe County Health Department Wednesday issued a public health alert to heighten awareness to the growing threat from COVID-19.

    Health officials said some residents have already been tested for the virus and got answers to questions that people have been asking.

    The Tippecanoe County Health Department tested a small number of people suspected of being sickened by COVID-19.

    The results are in and all tests came back negative, according to County Health Officer Dr. Jeremy Adler.

    “They are individuals who have traveled from areas of the world where coronavirus is more prevalent," Alder said.

    He put the number at less than 10 and said all exhibited flu-like symptoms.

    https://www.wthr.com/article/southern-indiana-officials-prep-least-30-people-are-being-tested-coronavirus-state

    As the coronavirus spreads into the United States, southern Indiana officials said they want to stay in front of it.

    There are no confirmed cases in Floyd County, or even in Indiana, but officials said there are at least 30 people being tested in the Hoosier state for the virus right now.

    Floyd County leaders said they are already having conversations to find any potential community shortfalls.

    "We plan on continuing to have those, as well as even reaching out to our department heads so that way we can develop a proactive plan," John Schellenberger, Floyd County commissioner, said.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 5:44am

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    Testing should ramp up in weeks to come (we'll see)

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/04/trump-administration-obama-fda-rule-coronavirus-testing/

    The Trump administration has rolled back a Food And Drug Administration rule instituted by President Barack Obama that has stalled coronavirus testing at the state level.

    The rule in question previously required state-run laboratories to only run medical tests pre-approved by the F.D.A.

    Commissioner Stephen Hahn first addressed the testing problem on Saturday by issuing new guidance that would allow the state labs to conduct not-yet-approved coronavirus testing on patients in response to the public health emergency. In return for skirting the Obama-era regulation, laboratories must apply for an F.D.A. review of the new test, document the test’s accuracy and notify the F.D.A. of the test’s validity prior to F.D.A. completing the approval process.

    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-new-policy-help-expedite-availability-diagnostics

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 6:07am

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    Measuring a Fever - Not Happening In Canada

    At least they are measuring.   I think that's a good thing.   Found out from 2 different people that they aren't checking anyone coming from China at least at the Vancouver airport.   This was no more than 4 days ago.  Nurse came back from China thru Vancouver to Regina.   Nothing.   Back at work yesterday.   Another younger girl came back from China a few days earlier thru Vancouver to Regina.   Same.   As said before we are on our own.   Just feel real bad for the medical workers.

    Also in Regina some of the wards already don't have N95 masks unless they are hiding.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 6:14am

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    This is why we have the no politics rule

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-blames-obama-for-coronavirus-testing-problems-2020-03-04

    But CNN, quoting an aide to Republican Sen. Lamar Alexander, reported that while the Obama administration had proposed stricter test oversight, no changes were ever actually approved.

    Highlighting the FDA's fast track policy on tests is good, blaming something on the opposite political party that is easily disproved is not good.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 6:22am

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    It may be OK in the end. It may not.

    I didn’t question whether it would be ok, in the end, simply that there is a requirement of some sort that it has to be ok, in the end.  The saying is ludicrous, in my opinion.

    Look at it this way.  That saying will still not be ok, in the end.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 6:25am

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    Not political to point out what's going on (media sources are always going to spin)

    People need to filter out the political B.S. and look at actions. If there had not been a policy in place to prevent something from happening, then a new policy would not have been needed.

    This is a new policy to allow labs to start using new tests while seeking approval (from my reading of it.)

    The new policy is for certain laboratories that develop and begin to use validated COVID-19 diagnostics before the FDA has completed review of their Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) requests. The FDA can issue an EUA to permit the use, based on scientific data, of certain medical products that may be effective in diagnosing, treating or preventing a disease or condition when there is a determination, by the Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS), that there is a public health emergency or a significant potential for a public health emergency that has a significant potential to affect national security or the health and security of U.S. citizens, and a declaration that circumstances exist justifying the medical products’ emergency use.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 6:27am

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    An ally for transparency on coronavirus in the media





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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 6:28am

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    IMPORTANT! something BIG is gonna happen SOON in the markets!

    GUYS! something BIG will happen soon! First off; the repo market is still broke:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/term-repo-record-oversubscribed-market-liquidity-craters

    But here's something you won't see anywhere else. I've also been tracking the repo crisis since that started and trying to figure out stuff. I came across a pattern (that nobody else picked up) and i did tweet it at a few people, but who ever listens to me.

    Well something just went wrong in the repo market. the DTCC GCF repo market. I'll post my twitter thread first (i didn't wanna link my twitter before cause yknow, i dont wanna advertise on chris's site 🙂

    I've been keeping it up to date. But it seems the pre-2012 pattern has activated. Because i just looked at the repo website again:
    https://www.dtcc.com/charts/dtcc-gcf-repo-index

    Set the index to monthly, then look at the 4th of March. The rate has taken a dive on the 4th! It's having a total meltdown!

    This is the same thing that happened around the Greek Sovereign Debt Crisis in 2011. Out of nowhere the interest rate just craters, and last time, they threw mountains of QE at it to make it go up again.

    I'm not sure *what* the underlying cause is. But i do know something big will happen sooner rather then later.

    Normal trading range is ~25-50 bps at these levels. It just dropped from 1.7 to 1.3. This is HUGE!

    EDIT: i should also mention that the same flat-line-at-the-end-of-the-month pattern has been active for both January and February.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 6:29am

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    km64 said:

    Don't recall seeing this, but the links go fast and furious on here.

    Some people are still going to get it, but extreme measures can reduce the number of cases by 37%

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.20019844v3

    Findings: The Wuhan city travel ban slowed the dispersal of infection to other cities by an estimated 2.91 days (95% CI: 2.54-3.29) on average. Among the other urban centres across mainland China, cities that implemented control measures pre-emptively, before the first case was reported, had 37% fewer cases in the week following the first reported case (13.0, 95%CI 7.1-18.8) compared with cities starting control after the first case (20.6, 95%CI: 14.5-26.8).

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 6:35am

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    What are you doing to distance socially?

    Personally, the only regular contact I have with people is work, fast food, gas stations, and grocery shopping. I've been wiping my debit cards after handing them to other people (fast food drive thru windows mostly.) Hand sanitizer on my hands after handling debit card and cash.

    https://quillette.com/2020/03/03/dealing-with-a-once-in-a-century-pathogen/

    What were these control measures? The suspension of public transport, closing of entertainment venues, and banning of public gatherings.

    Such measures are unlikely to be introduced in democratic societies. Writing in 2015, Gates noted that future epidemics would be harder to stop in liberal societies: “Because democratic countries try to avoid abridging individuals’ rights to travel and free assembly, they might be too slow to restrict activities that help spread disease.”

    Yet past pandemics that have affected democratic nations can teach us lessons. In early October 1918, when the Spanish flu hit the east coast of the United States, the health commissioner of St Louis, Max Starkloff, ordered the closure of schools, movie theaters, saloons, sporting events and other public gathering spots. While the measures were protested by some citizens, the quarantine went ahead. A month later, as the pandemic raged on, he ordered the closure of all business, with a few exceptions, such as banks.

    While drastic quarantine measures were being implemented in St Louis, the health commissioner of Philadelphia, Wilmer Krusen, gave permission for a parade for the war effort to go ahead in his city. It is reported that within 72 hours of the parade, every bed in Philadelphia’s 31 hospitals was filled, and in the week ending October 5th, 1918, 2,600 people in Philadelphia had died, with the figure almost doubling a week later. At the end of the outbreak, St Louis had the lowest recorded death rate in the US, while in Philadelphia mortuaries overflowed and “bodies [were] piled up on sidewalks.”

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 6:43am

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    Blame Games, Not Action

    People need to filter out the political B.S. and look at actions. If there had not been a policy in place to prevent something from happening, then a new policy would not have been needed.

    What part of "there was no policy in place to be repealed" in my reply did you miss? The first step in filtering out the BS is to not dump another bucket load of it on the sorting table. I will be happy to blame past administrations for their failures, just as I'm happy to point out this ones.

    But the no partisan political attacks rule is in place just because the type of arguments you and are are having here now, tend to get emotional and counter productive. All I ask is the next time you want to post something blaming the political party you don't like for something, you take as much time to fact check the original article.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 7:27am

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    Proteolytic Enzymes

    These enzymes help with many things, I take them daily for inflammation control.  Fibrosis is one of the primary targets these enzymes.  If I get infected I will up my dose considerably, 5-10 capsules a day.  Its important to take on a empty stomach, morning is best.

    https://drwongsessentials.com/zymessence/

     

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 7:36am

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    km64 said:

    You and I have both been around in life long enough to know that the media, and politicians distort, I take every report with a grain or two of salt no matter who it is. We've also been around long enough to know that the roots of any problem have many hands in it.

    The Democrats and Republicans are both responsible for the state of our countries preparedness, or lack there of.

    I'm not trying to make any political statement with posts here. I will do my best to cull out the signal from the noise, but when I see something that I think will interest people regarding this topic, I will post. I see political spin and ignore most of it my own mind, even if it is part of an article I post.

    The important part to me, was that a new policy was put in place by the FDA to allow labs to use tests while seeking approval for those tests. I know the government isn't always logical, but to me if a new policy is put in place to allow something, then some policy must have been in place to prevent it. For all I know, this is just butt covering by the FDA. From my reading, the part in bold is the entirety of the policy change. Labs will be able to use new tests on real samples while seeking authorization.

    https://www.fda.gov/media/135659/download

    FDA understands that some laboratories certified to perform high-complexity testing under CLIA are developing diagnostic tests to detect the SARS-CoV-2 virus and pursue EUA authorization for those tests. For a reasonable period of time after validation and while they are preparing their EUA requests, FDA does not intend to object to the use of these tests for specimen testing, as described below. FDA believes 15 days is a reasonable period of time to prepare an EUA submission for test that has already been validated.

    This guidance is intended to help rapidly expand testing capacity by facilitating the development of molecular SARS-CoV-2 diagnostic assays. The accelerated approach discussed below should be considered for initial testing of patient specimens, with subsequent confirmatory testing performed as appropriate.

    On the flip side of all this, no one person or party is going to "save us" (unless Jesus Christ is your personal savior.)

    It will take a lot of people working together to find solutions to and weather this crisis.

    Remember, united we stand, divided we fall.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 7:59am

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    Jeff, this is a good suggestion

    But those proteolytic enzymes are WAY overpriced.  Here are some much cheaper alternatives:

     

    https://www.iherb.com/pr/Doctor-s-Best-Proteolytic-Enzymes-90-Delayed-Release-Veggie-Caps/9941?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0uzF39iD6AIVEvDACh1h2QUCEAQYBCABEgIiR_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

     

    https://www.iherb.com/pr/Doctor-s-Best-Proteolytic-Enzymes-90-Delayed-Release-Veggie-Caps/9941?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0uzF39iD6AIVEvDACh1h2QUCEAQYBCABEgIiR_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

     

    Hint: when any health professional puts their personal name on a product, most of the time it will be overpriced.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 8:06am

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    just in case you forgot about climate change, here's a reminder linking the corona virus

    From that bastion of journalistic accuracy and integrity <sarcasm>, ABC news, we get the following report.

    peakhttps://abcnews.go.com/International/severe-reduction-emissions-coronavirus-mitigate-climate-change-long/story?id=69334246&cid=clicksource_4380645_10_heads_posts_card_hed

    So, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

    Where are the present day George Carlins who could have a field day with this stuff from a comic perspective?

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 8:11am

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    great 50 minute documentary of the 1918 flu

    What I like about this documentary is so much of what people didn't know, what people assumed, and simply how unbelievable it all was. And all this led to certain behaviors...





     

     

     

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 8:13am

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    Think they're being born now

    Think the new generation of george carlins are being born.. or rather made right now. Seems ol George was born in 1937... so the after math of WWII must've really shaped him, as well as the rise of American imperialism.. it's not been really hard to follow that pattern to the modern day.

    So young people of today are going to be told everything is fine, are going to watch one of their loved ones die from this, and the next time the government says it'll be fine... well.

    Think it hardly matters though. What use is a comedic genius if everybody just laughs at everything you say, regardless (looking at you Fallon).

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 8:27am

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    Update on schools in the region (Washington State)

    All of the Seattle area school districts are now struggling to manage teaching in class while simultaneously supporting the estimated 20% or more of families who have shifted to temporary homeschooling.

    Some are setting a good example:

    Northshore School District closes all schools for coronavirus concerns: ‘We are no longer able to provide quality instruction’ (The Seattle Times)

    "All Northshore public schools will be closed beginning Thursday for up to 14 days because of COVID-19 concerns, the district announced Wednesday evening as it transitions to an online-only model.

    “I have spent the past few weeks researching and monitoring the rapidly changing COVID-19 coronavirus health issue in our region and across the world … Now, I believe that the time has come for our district community to make an important shift,” Northshore School District superintendent Michelle Reid said in a Wednesday letter to families.

    In her lengthy announcement, she further explained her rationale. “We are taking this strategic approach not because we think by doing so, we will stop an epidemic; we are simply trying to do our part to slow the spread of COVID-19,” she wrote. “We are no longer able to provide quality instruction and maintain an environment that is safe.”

    On Tuesday, staff members and students were trained on how to transition from teaching in classrooms to online learning, a system that will begin Monday, the statement said. The district said it equipped all students with a device and a Wi-Fi connection in preparation of the move."

    Some, however, are choosing not to set a good example. A local youth posted a resonating petition to close local schools in the affected area and shift to online learning. Here is King 5 News take on that story. You can fast forward to 1:25 and see for yourself just how "brilliant" some of the local administrators can be.





    For those interested in signing the kid's petition above (currently well over 18,000 signatures) here is the link to it and several others that are worthy of consideration.

    (Petition 1 Link) (Currently ~20k signers)

    (Petition 2 Link) (Approach 1k signers)

    (Petition 3 Link) (Currently 12k+ signers)

    As Sparky1 mentioned in a previous post, when (not if) this bug comes to your locale you can cut/copy/paste one of these petitions and start a petition in your area. Make sure to name your local leaders, specifically, and notify them and the local press of the petition.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 8:30am

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    km64

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    Social Distancing in action

    This is good, even if the economic impact is bad.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/seattle-ghost-town-residents-face-uncertainty-growing-coronavirus-outbreak-n1148941

    In Seattle, bracing for the coronavirus also means preparing for what could be a devastating economic impact. Business owners and residents have already seen a drop-off in tourists in areas of the city that heavily depend on foot traffic.

    "It's like a ghost town," Francisco said about the famous Pike Place Market where she has her shop.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 8:39am

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    Seattle - We are in trouble!

    Here is the press release from yesterday 3/4. We are the test for the rest of the country. Listen carefully and see them say we have 39 cases.During question period.  The blonde women will tell you that we have only tested 99 people so far since Friday.  Also the man will say that if you been exposed, and are showing no signs go about your business until you get sick.  The good news is maybe we will start to get better testing starting today. 





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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 9:00am

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    Very little concern in Orange County

    We have 7 cases in LA county and 3 in Orange County. Both counties have declared states of emergency. Cases starting to pop up all over the state now. And yet, public concern is very low. My clients, who are mainly blue collar, are very dismissive of the whole thing. Only one older lady (in her 60s) is concerned. Everyone else is going on with their lives like normal.

    Masks and hand sanitizer are hard to come by. But other than that it’s life as usual here. Kind of nice actually.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 9:19am

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    "Lone Patient" / Spring Break

    North Carolina authorities report that people known to have been in contact with the one “lone [coronavirus] patient” have also been asked to self-isolate. Authorities refused to inform the public where these known contacts live, citing CDC protocols. So they could be right up the street, for all I know.

    Note that only 10-15 people have been tested so far, although 500 test kits are en route to the state. No symptoms, no test, no problem. Note also that the restaurant owner sanitizing his premises after “lone patient” dined there on February 29th is not worried: “We are doing our part to limit any exposure, although the Department of Health said the risk to anyone catching the disease is extremely low at this point due to the short incubation of the disease outside the human body” [emphasis mine]. I think he means a short survival time of the virus outside the body, but even then he’s been misled.

    https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article240879631.html#storylink=cpy

    Meanwhile, colleges and universities in the area prepare to disperse tens of thousands of local students for spring break. UNC is among the many area schools that have discouraged students from traveling to international and domestic locations that have declared emergencies, including selected counties in Florida. It will be interesting to see if students do avoid Caribbean cootie cruises and beach week this year. Will any of them volunteer to quarantine for two weeks when they return, sunburned and hungover?

    https://gobluetours.com/college-spring-break-state/nc/

    https://www.unc.edu/coronavirus/

    In economic news, China is expected to have absolutely no presence at the April international furniture market in High Point, a twice-yearly event that has always been a reliably juicy economic boon to the state. As with pharmaceuticals and smart phones, Chinese production is critical to the furniture industry, and shortfalls will hit North Carolinians in the wallet. Many wheels within wheels here.

    https://www.journalnow.com/news/local/china-likely-to-be-a-no-show-at-high-point/article_29fa641d-2621-5015-bfa6-a17959d483c5.html

    Thanks, everyone, for all the great information in the comments today!

     

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 9:20am

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    Vitamin D in moderation is the ticket

    So 10 to 20 micrograms of vitamin D daily is more than sufficient. That is less than 1000 IU's. The big doses did not give any added benefit but rather a regular maintenance dose was what worked. Thanks Roger, that was a videa worth watching. This site is sure educational.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 9:31am

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    the genetics behind the Spanish flu

    - We have the complete genome of the 1918 flu

    - The great epizootic of 1872

    - Ancestors of the flu

    - Why young people died

     





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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 9:34am

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    China getting this under control?

    They may have it under enough control if people are returning to their jobs (or are they posts in China) and shipping is opening back up.

    https://gcaptain.com/chinas-top-container-ports-unclog-backlog-as-virus-curbs-ease/

    China is the largest container cargo handler – processing around 30% of global traffic or around 715,000 containers a day in 2019 – and the virus clampdown impacted supply chains of everything from sneakers and machine parts to technology components and food items.

    The average wait time for container vessels at Zhoushan in southern China – the third-largest container port in the world by annual handling capacity – spiked to more than 60 hours in the week of Feb. 11-17, when travel curbs on workers returning from the prolonged Lunar New Year holiday forced ports to operate with skeleton staffing.

    That was around 15 hours longer than the week before the holiday, and nearly 20 hours more than the average in early January before the travel restrictions, according to Shanghai InternationalShipping Institute (SISI) data.

    But turnaround times at Zhoushan and other ports are starting to improve as more container crane operators, customs officers, tugboat pilots and other key logistics links slot back into place.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 9:37am

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    Vitamin D varies by person

    My body doesn’t respond to low doses. I take 10k a day and bloodwork Tuesday confirms I’m at the low end of normal. When I was taking 5k bloodwork showed I never made it into the desired range. My wife on the other hand is at the top end with a low dose.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 9:44am

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    Vitamin D

    I do not agree.  My husband and I both take 10,000 IU’s a day. Vitamin D with K.  My Dr. prescribed this much when I went through surgery, we live in Alaska and we both have felt like we were fighting something off.  So don’t take anyones word here, do your own research.

    Or, get tested and find out if your levels are low.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 9:57am

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    Chinese Shipping

    A couple thoughts on the resumption of shipping:

    It is usually 2- 4 weeks for a shipping container to go from usa to china depending on port to port distance, ship speed, etc.

    So in 2- 4 weeks we would have the potential, depending on virus survival, to be receiving COVID-19 bombs in side the shipping containers.

    Regardless of the shipping containers being virally compromised or not, we could have longshoreman not reporting to work or being sick with the virus now stops the trade on this side of things.  Here are the top 10 ports in the US in 2019 according to Logistics Management.

    https://www.logisticsmgmt.com/article/top_30_u.s._ports_trade_tensions_determine_where_cargo_goes_next

    The west coast ports mentioned are some of our ripening COVID-19 locations.  We could end up with a scenario of materials coming close to our shores but being unable to be offloaded.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 10:04am

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    COVID-19 Bombs

    But if shipping containers are on the high seas for 2 to 4 weeks, then they will be long past the 9 days during which the virus should die.  Especially if the containers are not immediately offloaded.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 10:19am

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    km64 said:

    Crew on boats are probably a greater risk than the cargo. Just my opinion.

    Having watched several documentaries of previous pandemics the crew and passengers of boats are generally what spreads the virus.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 10:29am

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    Vitamin D

    25 hydroxy vitamin D is one blood test for vitamin D levels in the blood. It measures an inactive precursor.    Mid range is 50 ng/ml.  If you have functioning genetics, the body then converts this to the active form, 1,25- hydroxy vitamin D.  A sufficient dietary intake of vitamin D2 and sun exposure or supplements of vitamin D3 is necessary.  So there are several steps in the chain where it can be broken. Everybody is different.  Skin tone, climate, latitude, supplements, genetics.

    My guess is that most people away from the equator never get close to the optimal amount, so a "maintenance dose" is irrelevant. I wonder if vitamin D deficiency is a factor in Seattle.  After living there, it took me three years of heavy Vitamin D3 dosing to go from a dangerous less than 20 ng/ml to 52 ng/ml of 25 hydroxy vitamin D.  However, I believe there are genetic issues in my family.  Just my experience.  Think for yourself.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 10:31am

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    Clarification

    Sorry a bit of a typo and omission.  What I was try to convey was that if the shipping carriers were Chinese in origin and staffed by Chinese personnel that could still be viral carriers or shedders when the ships docked and unloaded there could be an additional transmission source on the off load of shipping containers.  Remote but possible.  Hopefully, the ports will institute some sort of system where the boat based personnel and shore based personnel remain socially distant just incase the Chinese are still viral shedders and the US longshoremen are asymptomatic.  There usually isn't too much contact between the two groups, but you never know.

     

    Just saying: Boats, Rats, Plague.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 10:53am

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    Chris....A possible topic for daily video

    How is Coronavirus different from the Flu?

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 11:00am

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    Optimal D3 Levels

    I have been on D3 for 15 years due to Prostate Cancer. My oncologists aim for 80 to 90 mg/nl. I take the hydroxy -25 blood test every 3 months.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 11:07am

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    Oliveoilguy - Yes

    Yes, both my husband and I hear that all the time. “It’s no worse than the seasonal flu”.  I don't argue cause somebody has to keep the economic wheels turning.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 11:11am

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    Dyslexics Untie!!

    Several times reading the board, I have said to myself, "Self, I am glad I am not the only dyslexic person here, and it confirms my conviction that dyslexics are smarter than the average bear."

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 11:12am

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    Nah

    Long bond to .73 at least. This ain’t over yet!

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 12:03pm

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    BC update - March 5th noon

    University Canada West closes Vancouver campus following presumptive case of COVID-19

     

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 12:24pm

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    Oliveoilguy, I'm interested in your experience

    I have a friend with prostate cancer so I'm hoping I can learn something for him from you.  What are their thoughts about Vitamin D3 for that particular form of cancer and how much are you taking?  Do they recommend a certain amount of regular sunshine exposure for endogenous production of Vitamin D?  Any additional information would be appreciated.  Thanks!

    FWIW, I disagree with Nairobi and agree with Tycer and AKGranny.  There are guidelines for certain dietary levels of nutrients but there is also considerable biochemical individuality.  We are not all alike nor do we have the same requirements.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 12:28pm

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    work conversation

    I was having a conversation with a coworker yesterday and told her that COVID-19 was already here at work and spread wide in this country.  She said I was nuts.  And then I just received this notification at work:

    an employee with a presumptive but unconfirmed case of coronavirus – COVID-19 is being tested

    Literally within 2 minutes several coworkers lined up outside my office and wanted to talk.  Everyone knows I have a huge garden, freezer full of beef, and am relatively isolated.   Time to put your big boy pants on.

    For most of my life I have been watching history unfold from the sidelines.  Now I will be a participant.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 12:44pm

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    Houston, confirmed and unconfirmed

    I am in Houston, Tx and we have one confirmed in "fort bend county" which encompasses several cities... see what they did there? My RN friend told me he is in ICU in my little city just outside of Houston. She also confirmed we have 2 others that they are not releasing. They have to inform staff but not disclose names etc. SO, I do believe every city is likely harboring the virus at this point.

    Matties- sorry to hear you think you are sick!! Please keep us informed!! Sending many good energy and healing vibes your way!

    Desogames- glad you are on the mend, keep it up! Can you share where you learned this about the repo markets? This is some very interesting info to know but it is very undercover!

     

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 1:29pm

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    Request to the board, Please

    When you report local information, could you include the part of the country/world, the state and hopefully, the city you are reporting about?   David asked this a while ago, but me, being the paranoid type, did not comply at first.  However, since Big Brother is forever dropping the ball, in the interest of personal safety, could you help out your fellow board members?  Thanks.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 1:54pm

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    Vitamin C WORKS & is being Censored

    Vitamin C has been systematically suppressed for decades.  There is considerable evidence it can save lives but it is a threat to Pharma profits so they are censoring the information.

    Coronavirus, VitaminC, Fake News and Censorship

    https://www.brighteon.com/646ad120-775a-4464-a0d1-609be7a0a9dc

    Dr Suzanne Humphries Vitamin C Lecture:





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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 2:25pm

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    Kunga

    What does DNA mean? National dyslexics association.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 2:34pm

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    Vitamin C to bowel tolerance

    Posted several days ago, vitamincfoundation.org long article on benefits of mega doses of vitamin C and titrating to bowel tolerance.  I bought some buffered vitamin C powder.  I've not tried this before, but want to see what the experience is before I use it post infection.  I have taken several grams of ascorbic acid per day after my father passed Linus Pauling's book to me decades ago.

     

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 2:40pm

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    Aren't they the same thing?

    How is Coronavirus different from the Flu?

    I hear they are the same thing but with this one, you have to drink you Niquil with a Lime on top.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 2:51pm

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    I don't know anthing about vitamins ao, I was only going by the research in the video

    The video was saying optimum levels were achieved by modest daily maintenance doses but I will admit this is all foreign to me. I don't ever take vitamin supplements so this is educational for me. I am not taking a stand on it one way or another especially after reading about the dosing other people use. How do we get vitamin D in food?

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 2:52pm

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    Wasabi

    I was reading about foods that dissolve mucous in the respiratory tract.  All types of radishes are recommended.  So I bought some horseradish/wasabi sauce at Amazon.  I have had some things with wasabi before, but not a large amount.  After disinfecting (!) the bottle and lid, I put a dab in a spoon and ate it.   HOLY.  [email protected]@@###?+?#!!!  I had a slight morning sniffle and slight congestion that is now completely gone.  I also think I destroyed, burned up, killed any living microorganism in my nasal passages.  Very intense experience.  A little dab 'ill do ya.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 3:18pm

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    Military cancelling exercises

    This seems prudent

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a31212632/pentagon-coronavirus/

    The U.S. Military is canceling military exercises around the world due to the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus. The cancelled exercises so far include U.S. forces in South Korea and Italy, though the Pentagon says more cancelations could be forthcoming.

     

     

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 3:39pm

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    New Hampshire

    We have 2 cases of Covid-19 in Grafton County NH now. They were both told to self quarantine. Apparently one of them decided to break the quarantine and attend an invitation only event at the Tuck school at Dartmouth College. They are supposed to be very smart people. Hmmmmmm.

    The other is a doctor at Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center who is abiding by the self quarantine.

    And my boss laughed at me when I said I would be working from home if the virus came here (this was a couple of weeks ago) and said the virus would never come to my little rural corner of the world. I’m not laughing.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 3:39pm

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    Vitamin D Article - Dr. Mercola

    Mercola.com has some good articles on Vitamin D.  If you don't want to go through a doctor you can send a saliva sample to a lab to test your level for $65 or so.

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/12/22/dr-holick-vitamin-d-benefits.aspx

    By Dr. Mercola

    Vitamin D deficiency is a pandemic in the United States, but many Americans, including physicians, are not aware that they may be lacking this important nutrient.

    Despite its name, vitamin D is not a regular vitamin. It's actually a steroid hormone that you get primarily from either sun exposure or supplementation, and its ability to influence genetic expression that produces many of its wide-ranging health benefits.

    Researchers have pointed out that increasing levels of vitamin D3 among the general population could prevent chronic diseases that claim nearly one million lives throughout the world each year. Incidence of several types of cancer could also be slashed in half.

    Vitamin D also fights infections, including colds and the flu, as it regulates the expression of genes that influence your immune system to attack and destroy bacteria and viruses.

    Are You Vitamin D Deficient?

    Before the year 2000, very few doctors ever considered the possibility that you might be vitamin D deficient. But as the technology to measure vitamin D became inexpensive and widely available, more and more studies were done, and it became increasingly clear that vitamin D deficiency was absolutely rampant. For example:

    • The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that 32 percent of children and adults throughout the US were vitamin D deficient
    • The National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey found that 50 percent of children aged one to five years old, and 70 percent of children between the ages of six to 11, are deficient or insufficient in vitamin D
    • Researchers such as Dr. Holick estimate that 50 percent of the general population is at risk of vitamin D deficiency and insufficiency

    I've often said that when it comes to vitamin D, you don't want to be in the "average" or "normal" range, you want to be in the "optimal" range. The reason for this is that as the years have gone by, researchers have progressively moved that range upward.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 4:02pm

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    Non-Political, Non-Sensational Information Source

    I advise not getting information from WHO, maybe not CDC as it under a federal task force for what they can say, ABC, NBC, FOX, CNN, and other commercial enterprises. And of course some alt-media sites are poor.

    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19  Many links to maps, etc.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 4:04pm

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    AO

    I’d be glad to talk in depth with you or your friend about Prostate cancer. My PSA at diagnosis was off the charts at 3905. Metastatic..Gleason 8 .....14 years ago. I had a holistic oncologist who saved my life and vitamin D3 was one of the supplements. Also did an immunotherapy procedure. Glad to share more info  privately. I attribute much of my success to my faith in God.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 4:08pm

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    New BC update March 5th 4 pm

    https://www.cheknews.ca/bc-novel-coronavirus-travel-651933/

    B.C. health officials have confirmed a new case of coronavirus infection in the province that has no known link to travel to a country where a virus outbreak has been taking place, or connection to a known patient, at this time.

    The community case is a woman in the Vancouver Coastal Health region. She was found to have COVID-19 due to additional testing of people being tested for flu.

     

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 4:15pm

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    Problem with link...go to http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/ and click on COVID-19 Resource Center

    I seem unable to link directly to the resource center; see subject line above

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 4:23pm

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    Chris' newest video: "A Crisis Within a Crisis" (3/5/20)

    Coronavirus:  A Crisis Within a Crisis (3/5/20)

    https://youtu.be/Df6c5w9PlEk

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 4:34pm

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    Thanks, Oliveoilguy

    I'll PM you.  Faith in God is something that I think many may be relying upon more and more, in light of global events.  I'm with you 100% about its power.  I've seen it first hand ... again and again.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 4:50pm

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    S and L type virus

    These can be viewed at https://nextstrain.org/ncov?c=clade_membership&l=radial where the 48 S type isolates of 171 sequenced (28%) fall into the B1, B2 and both B4 clades in red, orange, yellow.

    Nothing jumps out of the data at me to suggest a difference in severity. The fact that the ancestral S type is of lower frequency might simply be an early random event as the virus moved though a genetic bottleneck, rather than of any great significance.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 4:52pm

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    And... the Sydney hospital just lost an anesthesiologist for two critical weeks!

    Because they wouldn’t have you fully suited with mask and face shield, the Sydney hospital just lost an anesthesiologist for two critical weeks! All because they didn’t want to “scare” patients. (Uh, no. I would feel far more secure if staff were fully protected around me!)

    Just like that California hospital had to self-quarantine 124 people for just one patient they didn’t bother testing...

    Next time you feel it is too dangerous or feel overworked, just claim you got exposed and self-quarantine yourself another two weeks.

    Poet

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 4:56pm

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    Bad advice. I'm not listening to these "experts"

    Prepping responsibly is not panicking. Having only a 14-day supply of food and medicines (no mention of water??) is better than nothing--but just barely. These aren't "experts", they're propagandists. People will be harmed or dead if they follow their advice. Shameful and infuriating.

    Panic Buying Isn't Helping Anything Except Packaged Food Brands

    "Experts recommend keeping a 14-day supply of food and medications for any number of non-coronavirus related situations (like weather-related emergencies or natural disasters), but anything beyond that is overkill. And, just a reminder, U.S. surgeon general Jerome M. Adams has asked people to "STOP BUYING MASKS"—yes, in all caps. "[Masks] are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if health care providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk," he added. "

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/5dmkva/panic-buying-isnt-helping-anything-except-packaged-food-brands?utm_source=The+Counter+Subscribers&utm_campaign=b1dbdbf822-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_03_05_05_10_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_75a28a0eaf-b1dbdbf822-511640629

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 4:58pm

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    Nairobi, the number one source is sunshine

    One figure I've read in the past is that 30 minutes of full body sun exposure will produce 20,000 IU of vitamin D whereupon the endogenous production mechanism automatically shuts off.  I've posted several times in the past (years ago) of how the RDA of 400 IU was woefully inadequate.  It's hard to find in foods but I've always used the old time remedy of cod liver oil (also an excellent source of the omega-3 fattys acids of EPA and DHA) for myself and family members, in addition to the standard vitamin D3 supplementation.  So fatty fishes are a good source, things like wild salmon, sardines, mackerel, etc.  Farmed salmon, on the other hand, is distinctly unhealthy, for a variety of reasons.

    Vitamin D is not a vitamin but a pro-hormone involved in 36 different bodily functions so it's pretty darn important.  It's supposed to be added to milk (and therefore will be in cheese, yogurt, kefir, etc. as well) but dairies have been know to cut corners to save money.  I also have used desiccated liver for years (which is made from Argentinian defatted beef liver), but more for the B vitamins (especially B12) than for the D.  Most people have stopped eating liver due to the understandable concerns about contamination but organ meats are one of the best sources of nutrients, if the animal is organic.  I also eat egg yolks.  When people make an omelet and throw away the yolks, they are depriving themselves of potentially good nutrition (given that the chickens are eating healthily).  Plus, the egg white (i.e. albumin) and yolk complement one another nutritionally.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 4:59pm

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    Surprising source of Vitamin C and it’s free!

    Several years ago I learned how the majority of vitamins are being produced in China. It was during this time, the news was revealing how some manufacturers were purposely manufacturing products unfit for animal and human use and consumption. Since then I have tried to find vitamin and mineral products coming from a better source. In my research I stumbled on a source for Vitamin C and discovered to my amazement there was a mega source of Vitamin C in my own backyard: Pine Trees!

    Pine needles make a tea which is packed with antioxidants, Vitamin A and Vitamin C (five times more than an orange). Pick the younger needles for they have a milder flavor though less Vitamin C. Steep the needles in hot water (not boiling) for about 20 minutes until the needles drop to the bottom. You can add honey and lemon juice for a tea that is not unpleasant. But here is a warning…be sure it is a pine tree for some trees look like pine but are not and may be toxic.  Ask Mr. Google.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 5:21pm

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    jupura, usually they recommend white pine

    I know Native Americans used this for their wintertime vitamin C source.  I had recommended the white pine needle tea in a post recently but I don't know if other types of pine are safe.  Also, during the growing season, you can often find rose hips to forage, another excellent source of vitamin C.  I had a nice plant growing next to the building where my practice was, right next to a small stream, but the public works guys bulldozed it when doing a project.  What a shame!

    Foraging for foods in the wild can often provide one with a higher nutrient density than what is bought in stores.  We regularly eat things like wild leeks, lamb's quarters, amaranth, sorrel, purslane, dandelions, and, of course, a whole array of different berries and fruits you can find around here in the summer.  They're all free for the taking and highly nutritious.  One does have to be very careful looking for things like burdock and wild carrot, however, since there are highly poisonous plants that look very similar.  I'm leery of those foods just like I'm leery of mushrooms.  Death by those poisons is nasty!

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 5:56pm

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    Sunshine - to AO

    It depends where you live and what time of the year it is. We get 0% in the winter.

    http://blogs.oregonstate.edu/linuspaulinginstitute/2016/01/25/sunlight-vitamin-d-winter/

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 5:57pm

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    AO Excellent Response on Vitamin C

    Thanks for your great input and sorry about repeating information for I did not see your earlier post.   I forage a bit - right now the creasy greens are everywhere underfoot and just begging me to pick them. I guess they are loaded with Vitamin C also.  I will add to your list: wild grape leaves are good in early summer with high amounts of antioxidants and are supposed to be an excellent source of Resveratrol (sorry to others for getting off subject).

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 6:23pm

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    Rajkumarijay, we have the same problem

    We're north of the 45th parallel.  Plus, we have a lot of cloud cover in the winter.  That's why parents in areas like ours have historically given their kids cod liver oil in the winter.  But the other day, with the sun out and the temperature hovering around 32 deg., I was out on my deck with my shirt off catching some rays.  We're more than 2 months away from the winter solstice and you can feel the sun's warmth increasing (and with it, the UV dosage).  As long as the wind isn't blowing, it's not too uncomfortable for 5 to 10 minutes and you can crank your core temperature up by doing exercise like a kata.

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 6:26pm

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    AO - no katas for me

    I would have to do a taegeuk. 🙂

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 6:29pm

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    Brave new world?

    Lots of options?  Will Covid cause a shift or a collapse?
    https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/coronavirus-synchronous-failure-and-the-global-phase-shift-3f00d4552940

     

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 8:00pm

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    Thank you for this post!

    Thanks Barbara...this article really opened my eyes to the macro picture we currently find ourselves in.  Sadly, it’s quite concerning...

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  • Thu, Mar 05, 2020 - 8:07pm

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    Ionic Colloidal Silver -will it work against the Covid19?

    Others have mentioned colloidal silver here and I am throwing my 3 cents into the hat.

    Studies have shown it kills viruses and here is one study:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19746940

    The article states colloidal silver "...showed antimicrobial properties against both bacteria ... and virus ... The bactericidal effects were noticed even after washing and repeated exposure of these carbon supported silver nanoparticles to fresh bacterial cultures, revealing their sustained activity."

    But  will it work against this virus, the Covid19? As we all know - none of us know - yet; but I for one am not going to take chances with my life.  Right now it is one of the best bets and one of the few substances that can kill a virus (other items include alcohol (Purell) and Clorox bleach).

    So now I am sanitizing my hands with a solution of colloidal silver and since it won't be harsh on my face skin, I can also spray on my face around my eyes, nose and mouth to kill the little buggers. And will this work? Don't know - but I am betting my life on it.

    There are many promising studies done on colloidal silver which you can find at pubmed.gov which is the US Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health.

    On another subject I want to share some info, though many of you will not like this comment. However, it must be said so please don't shoot the messenger:

    It is about facial hair.It has been mentioned how a facepiece respirator (aka mask) can not seal properly on skin with facial hair. However, there is something else to consider. In the present situation facial hair can be dangerous to your health.  Study shows facial hair is like big sponge and these invisible creatures (i.e. bacteria and viruses) can latch on and make a comfy home for themselves.

    So...word to the wise.

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