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    Ideas For Righteous Revolution

    Exploring additional options for positive societal change
    by Adam Taggart

    Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

As protests continue across America, it’s clear that there’s widespread frustration and anger held by a large percentage of the population who feels downtrodden by the status quo and demoralized by slim prospects for things getting better.

I’m by no means an experienced revolutionary, so take everything that follows with a massive boulder of salt. But watching the nightly riots raises the question: Is there a more effective way to create positive societal change?

I spend a lot of time analyzing and criticizing the worsening and morally unjust equality divide that has accelerated over recent decades. In my opinion, most of the major ills in today’s society have their roots there. The recent death of George Floyd has served to emphasize how certain communities bear more of the brunt of this inequality than others. And very understandably and predictably, more and more of these communities are reaching their breaking point.

So, if the objective is to engage the current power structure and influence it to change, presented below is a preliminary exploration of several methods that may offer better odds for success than what we’ve seen over the past week.

Focus On The Cracks In The Armor

The current system is not going to willingly change. Those who control it receive too much benefit from the status quo to give up their advantage by choice.

As John Kenneth Galbraith aptly put it:

“People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage.”

Therefore, success in changing the status quo lies in making it too painful to continue.

Which leads to the questions: How can we, the oppressed masses, do that? What agency do we have?

Riots, with their violence and destruction, are often counter-productive. Yes, they generate media coverage, but they also galvanize central control. Political leaders now see themselves involved in a just crusade against mob rule; so they commit more tightly to ‘restoring order’ and to not letting ‘thugs’ direct the action. Police and/or military involvement ramps up and a lot of demonstrators can become collateral damage with little change to the system to show for it.

So, how can the populace create enough discomfort for those at the top to effect change?

By strategically focusing their collective power on weak points within the system. By targeting the cracks in the armor and pressing them hard via coordinated action that is — and this is essential — peaceful and legal.

Chris and I want to be clear on this: while we understand the tremendous fear, anger and frustration many of the seriously aggrieved rightly feel, and while we completely agree that the deeply unfair status quo needs massive and immediate reform, we don’t support violence against others nor the destruction of property and livelihoods. Not only do those tactics undermine the moral authority of any protest, we don’t think they’re effective in producing long-term positive change.

Ideas For A Righteous Revolution

Elements of a righteous revolution for our modern era could include:

1. Boycotting The Big Banks

The lifeblood of today’s economy is credit (i.e. debt).  Or to be more accurate: exponentially increasing credit.

As growth in credit slows, economic instability skyrockets.

As a visual of this, note the period in the below chart where Total US Credit barely dipped from 2008-2009. That little wiggle nearly destroyed the global economy:

Total US Credit Market Debt

Therefore a social movement that impairs the growth of credit is one that will get attention.

The biggest engine of credit growth is the banking system, which is in the business of making loans. In fact, banks are able to generate 10x more loans than they hold in deposits through the process of fractional reserve lending.

The big national and international Too Big To Fail banks are by far the most important institutions for maintaining the status quo. They fund and grease its smooth operation.

So anything that throws sand in those gears, like a national boycott of the big banks, will get noticed.

If a meaningful percentage of US households suddenly moved our savings and banking services out of Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citibank and Wells Fargo, and into small local savings banks and credit unions, that would send a powerful message.

Those four banks hold more than $4 trillion in customer deposits. Let’s assume 5% of that, $200 billion, walked out the door. Given the 10x nature of fractional reserve lending, that equates to $2 trillion(!) in lost loan potential.

That’s hitting the banks, and the US economy, where it hurts. Imagine the pain if 10% or even 20% of deposits left this way?

And imagine the beneficial impact this movement of capital would have at the local level. Today, the lion’s share of bank deposits goes to these TBTF institutions and are then loaned out to massive corporations to use in advancing their already grossly unfair advantage. Wouldn’t it be far preferable to fund development in your community instead?

Imagine further the signal such a “banking revolt” would have if orchestrated to happen on the same day. Banks are required to hold only a small fraction of reserves on hand at any given time. Enough withdrawal demands occurring simultaneously would essentially create a run on the bank (remember this scene from It’s A Wonderful Life?).

Co-incident runs at multiple TBTF banks will get a LOT of notice. From the media, from our political leaders, and from those running the system. And no one gets tear gassed, beaten, jailed, or killed.

2. Living Debt-Free

Complementing the idea above, another way to reduce total credit is to adopt a debt-free lifestyle.

US consumers currently hold over $20 trillion in mortgage, credit card, auto and student loans. Decreasing that by even just a few trillion would be exceptionally concerning to the banking industry.

Debt is extremely hard to avoid taking on in today’s world — given our current way of living. And once in debt, most households are wage-slaves to the bank until their balances are paid off (which they aren’t, ever, for most).

But there are ways to change our lifestyles to be debt independent. They are not easy at present. But the personal freedom that results, as well as the financial freedom that grows with savings that otherwise would have been directed to interest payments, are immense.

A social movement that elevates debt-free living as a driving cause will unleash all sorts of creativity for how to make it possible and enjoyable: co-habitation, communal resource pooling, new models for education/health services/commerce, and many others.

And by making ourselves less captive to the system currently controlling us, we gain more bargaining power with those running it.

3. Converting The Media

Right now, the mass media has proven itself little more than a parrot of what its corporate backers tell it to report.

Criticism of the status quo and worthy ideas for its evolution are often derided, demonized or simply not mentioned.

How do you influence a corrupted media to report on the ideas you want? Speak to its self-interest.

Most large mainstream media companies are in financial straits. The digital era destroyed the old publishing business models and the survivors are struggling to find a sustainable way to operate profitably.

Here’s one way a citizen movement could use that to its advantage:

  1. Have 100,000 people sign up for the New York Times print+digital package on the same day.
    • Given current promotions, that’s an immediate out of pocket cost per person of $40. Total immediate revenue to NYT: $4 million; total projected customer value to the NYT over the next two years: $156 million
  2. Have those people then send the executive editor of the NYT an email saying they will immediately cancel and demand a refund if the news organization doesn’t start balanced reporting on key topics important to the movement (e.g., the economic and social inequality being created by the Federal Reserve’s actions, or exposing injustice when corrupt politicians/executive/cops aren’t held accountable for their crimes)

Staring at an unexpected windfall of millions of dollars and many thousands of new subscribers, one that could disappear in a moment, the executive staff at the NYT would consider this opportunity very seriously. Even if they rejected it, the commercial power of the topics being requested will shape their future thinking and coverage.

This simple strategy is scalable and can be deployed to nearly any major media organization. And it uses the weight of the collective to press hard in a peaceful, legal way on the weak spot of an influential player in the system — providing both a carrot and a stick for constructive change without anybody exposed to the threat of violence.

4. Exposing The Villains

Government and corporate institutions control the world we live in. But it’s important remember these institutions are run by people — people who have daily commutes, social outings, dogs to walk, etc, just like the rest of us.

Continuing on the idea of applying collective pressure to the weak points of the system, it’s easy to make decisions with far-reaching impact from the perch of a boardroom table. It’s a lot harder to do so when staring into the judging eyes of the people who will suffer from the repercussions of those decisions.

The members of the Federal Reserve Open Market Committee, the managing editors of the major media outlets, the C-level executives of the TBTF banks, — these are real people.

40 million US workers (that we know of) have lost their jobs over the past two months. Imagine if just a few thousand of these folks peacefully lined both sides of the streets that a few of these senior policymakers take to work, holding signs asking the tough questions like “Why Is The Fed Killing Savers?” “Is Blackrock Really More Important Than Black Lives?”

Candelight vigils in their neighborhoods. Photos mailed to their homes of the victims pushed further into despair by the growing inequality their current policies create. Questions asked respectfully from a non-threatening distance on the street, in the grocery store, at a restaurant — anywhere public and where legally allowed.

It may not work on every target, but most humans can’t ignore and remain insensitive to such visible pain of so many others for long. Most, if not all, of these people believe they are “doing god’s work” and don’t see themselves as villains. A large and persistent demonstration like this can be quite effective in shaking their faith in their current beliefs and opening the door for them to realize their actions are responsible for much more damage than they’ve realized.

Again and especially here, peaceful non-violence is essential. To have credibility and integrity, the movement needs to be far above the evils it’s rejecting. Should it devolve into the abuse of a single individual at mob hands, the movement loses its moral legitimacy.

What Is The Platform?

The above are just ideas. None of them is a silver bullet. There may be, and probably are, many better ones out there for the righteous revolutionary to adopt.

The point of this piece is to demonstrate that there are effective options for protest and rebellion that don’t require bloodshed, looting and property damage. And that may prove materially more effective than confrontation in the streets at resulting in positive change.

But whatever tactics are ultimately pursued, it’s key to have an ideological platform underlying the revolution. You can’t just be “against” the current order; you need to stand “for” a constructive vision or set of principles for doing things better.

As Buckminster Fuller said:

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”

Your platform sets the north star that your movement will organize behind and orient itself against. Distill your message into a small number of clear, big principles (“Equal treatment under the law”, “Govern within our means”, and “Main Street over Wall Street” are a few good ones to consider) and make sure everybody rallying to your banner knows what they are.

Should you indeed be successful in bringing the existing power brokers to the negotiating table, or replacing them completely in the case of extreme revolution, these principles will determine your resulting programs and policies. Be sure to put as much effort into clarifying these up front as you do into your protest of the current regime.

Deeper Into The Fourth Turning We Go

Look, as I admitted up front, I’m no experienced social warrior. The ideas above are conceptual; I can’t speak with the authority of having led people to put them into practice (though I do live debt-free and am a big advocate for that lifestyle).

We have warned for years in our writing here at PeakProsperity.com that we are all now well into a Fourth Turning, where the old order breaks down and a new one, often violently, replaces it.

The protests and riots we’re now seeing are not unexpected. In fact, we anticipate growing social unrest over this next decade as those in control become more desperate in their actions to preserve their advantage while the rest of society rebels harder for a new and better order.

Our general advice to concerned individuals is to prioritize staying safe and reducing your vulnerability profile to crime and violence. That remains the case.

But collectively, if we’re against much of what’s happening around us and to us, we need to stand for something better if we want a brighter future.

Chris and I plan to take Buckminster Fuller’s advice and devote some serious brain cycles to what principles we’d like to see in a new model to replace the imperfect one we’ve currently got. In the process, we’ll welcome any suggestions you may have to offer.

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 5:27pm

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    DLWELD

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    maybe edit a bit

    Hi Adam, given the current state of things, you may want to reconsider the heading

    "Focus on the Chinks in the Armour" - displays a touching innocence, but sort of jumps out.

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 6:32pm

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    Hladini

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    Boycott, Boycott, Boycott

    I agree with Adam, Boycotts are powerful.  Look what boycotting the public bus system did for the civil rights movement.  I stopped using the big banks years ago, but I'm sure there are many people who might just walk their money over to the local credit union.

    Love the  idea of guilt tripping the Fed Chairman and company,  just love that.

    Getting out of debt?  That one's off the table for me unless I get some kind of windfall, but I did give up my cell phone in protest of the surveillance state.

    Any boycott unplugging from corporate will hurt.  With so many diverse people,  there are probably a dozen or more institutions/corporations that can be boycotted.

    A source for inspiration should be "Rules for Radicals."  I've read it, it's not radical in the sense of violence but radical in the sense of shock and awe.  Remember the bra burning event of the late 60's or early 70's?  That was a rules for radicals stunt.  Same with crowning a goat for Ms. America, remember that one?  It got people's attention without the violence.

    On the other hand,  I'm not sure the fourth turning will happen without violence.  Please, anyone, name me some revolutions that were peaceful?

    Also, I challenge people  here,  when were peaceful protesters allowed to protest without being molested, bludgeoned, sprayed, or shot at by law enforcement? Remember the Occupy Wall Street movement?  They were very peaceful protesters, but look how LEO's treated them.

    Adam, do you really think even  silent protesters will be permitted to congregate in the neighborhoods of elite?  Do you really  think New York's finest will allow protesters to line the streets of the Federal Reserve?

    I don't think so.  At least not for too long.

    No, the only thing the authorities will listen to, unfortunately is violence, and maybe if Main Street raids a few pockets of their own (boycott not loot).

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 6:47pm

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    Hladini

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    Ghandi hit em where it hurts

    One of the most successful boycotts was the cotton boycott in India during their peaceful revolution (except the English did not get the memo that it was supposed to be a peaceful revolution).  Indians stopped using England's cotton and went back to using their own homespun cotton cloth.  That hit the English where it hurts hard, and boy was there push back.

    Terrible retribution from the English army.  Lot's of people died and were injured.  But behind Ghandi, there was a militant rebelling with an army behind him (Subhas Chandra Bose).  Don't think they were necessarily working together, but they worked in tandem,  Ghandi did the non violence end of it but Bose fought back.

    So I'll ask again, how many peaceful revolutions were successful?

    Maybe we could do rolling boycotts, that might get their attention.

    Then what?

    How about constitutional amendments like controlling the money spent on elections,  making sure ALL parties got equal money and air time, term limits, setting salaries in DC, cutting our representatives perks, setting up a system to use money  versus currency, no more political appointments for our federal agencies,  eliminate a whole bunch of federal agencies, establishing fire walls at the remaining federal agencies preventing revolving door phenomena, outlaw lobbying, outlaw lobbyists drafting legislation,  paper ballots, criminalize the CIA as a terror organization, eliminate the FISA court, eliminate the surveillance state.......

    I don't know; this system appears to be overwhelmingly impossible to rehabilitate.  Is it rehabilitatable?

    What's the good news?  Everything is temporary.  Good or bad, it ain't gonna last.  The only thing we can really fix, is ourselves.  To keep things in perspective, consider the length of our  lifetime compared to the mystical Lord Brahma who's 12 hour day is equal to our 8,600,000 years.  If you do the math, this lifetime is not a blip on the radar; a frickin Mayfly has a longer lifespan.  So in the scheme of eternal, all devouring Time, these events are insignificant.  It's basically, wash, rinse, spin, repeat over and over throughout Time.

    What people should be really worried about is that final solo flight.  Where/what is the next destination?  What is the most  dangerous fear?

    Hare Krsna, over and out.

     

     

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 6:59pm

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    BrettNMartensen

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    Big Principle #1

    Sound money that cannot be diluted.

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 7:19pm

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    Hladini

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    For Adam and Chris

    Matt Taibbi has done some research on  why there is so much police violence.  The injustices perpetrated by law enforcement have a very long history.  The push back is sort of like the stock market,  it's pumped and pumped ready to burst.

    Matt Taibi wrote a book called "I can't Breathe" based on the Eric Garner case,  a black guy choked to death, in broad daylight with Uniformed buddies helping in New York about 6 years ago.  They walked, btw.  The guy was selling loose cigarettes, and got choked to death.  Nothing happened to those officers.

    Matt Taibbi delves into some history of how policing got to where it is.  The for profit prisons don't help things either.  Here's the link: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/taibbi-where-did-policing-go-wrong

    Most white people don't know what it's like to be singled out and targeted by law enforcement.  I had a bad experience three times with LEO's.  All three times I was a bit mouthy because the officers were out of line.  I did not get arrested, but I was ordered about, questioned, and once had a really bright light shown in my eyes to where I was blinded, could not see a thing.  I didn't like that either.

    Parents of black male children fear for their children's lives on a regular basis, in  America.  Adam and Chris, has this ever been your reality?

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 7:57pm

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    Agreed!

    I actually had "Sound money" as one of my sample principles in the above post, but swapped it out for "Main Street over Wall Street", hoping someone else would suggest it.

    Thanks for being that person!

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 8:06pm

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    Hladini

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    Guilt Tripping/protesting the Fed

    I loved Adam's idea of protesting the Fed in a unique way.  Some ideas:  Protesters should be dressed like Wall Streeters.  The signs should be able to be read with potent messages.  Rent billboards that show the dollar and the US burning with gold rising as a Phoenix out of the ashes.  Start a #F*cktheFed hash tag, or #TheFedsDead,Baby hashtag.  Build a model that illustrates the wealth of the uber rich.  Develop a board game/video game playing predatory big banks -that would be a great way to educate the public of how to conduct leveraged buy-outs, how to become rich as a vulture capitalist, and what the fuck a derivative is.

    Couldn't help myself.  Had to post just one more time.  Over and out, again.

     

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 8:32pm

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    obizzozero

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    Don't blame the NYT

    ...  when most people at FOX News are the worst liars of all. Please try your best to be fair and distribute blame.  The other day you kind of blamed Amy Klobuchar (a democrat) for the death Mr Floyd.

     

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 9:17pm

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    So what can we do to help those most affected by current events?

    Perhaps we could start by reallocating this $38 billion in funds away from an apartheid nation that does not need the money and instead break these funds out into grants (NOT loans) specifically for African American business owners here at home whose businesses were directly impacted by the riots and/or the Coronavirus closures?
     
    Maybe the Fed could print up a few more thin-air dollars and donate them to the cause as well, rather than continue to enrich their already ridiculously wealthy 0.001% benefactors?
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    "The massive package is particularly noteworthy in light of the current devastation to the American taxpayers who will be footing the bill – over $10 million per day. In recent months approximately 30 million Americans have lost jobs, 100,000 small businesses have already closed forever, and over seven million are at risk of doing so.The bill was voted on as part of a package of 15 bills that were voted on “en bloc” (all together).

    After Senator Kaine said he didn’t know what the list contained, Risch responded: “I’m not trying to pull anything here… this was circulated among the staff.”

    Risch then rapidly listed the numbers but did not give the titles. There was then a voice vote and the motion passed unanimously.

    Democratic members of the committee had voiced strong objections to blocking a live stream of the meeting because of a different agenda item. After the meeting, Committee Ranking Member Robert Menendez (D-NJ) released a video of the meeting.

    None, however, voiced any concern for giving a massive aid package to a country widely documented as a major violator of human rights."

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 9:50pm

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    But if the 90% only hold 20+% of the assets...

    ...how much of a dent in the TBTF banks is going to 'hurt' if we boycott? Don't get me wrong, I think the angle is great. I've already left the big banks and I'm sure many more could. But I think we'd need some bigger names with more zeros if we're going to be more annoying than a few gnats. But it gets us thinking nonviolently, for sure...

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 9:55pm

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    yracaz said:

    Thanks DLWELD for the respectful, sober-minded recommendation: “Hi Adam, given the current state of things, you may want to reconsider the heading "Focus on the Chinks in the Armour" - displays a touching innocence, but sort of jumps out.”

    I agree.

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 10:12pm

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    Divide and conquer

    Adam, I am right there with you, I would like to take my country back from the criminals who steal from the public purse to "bail out" and just hand over currency to people (corporations) who need it the least while we suffer the consequences of uncertainty and debasement... and worse.

    But the politicos all have an expert talent for being agent provocateurs to any movement that threatens them where all they have to do is to dog whistle their old trope hot button issues and, boom, there you go, end of movement. I know there are more sinister means that they use as well. I am sure that some bootlicker in Fort Meade, Maryland is now forwarding this up to the capos who will get their masters in the Red/Blue team to plan for their standard Red/Blue tropes to divide people into red or blue and have them then cut their own throats. Job done.

    I will be watching your blog (and continue to lurk) because I am sick and tired of this sh*t.

    Divide and conquer is our chink in the armor and it is more than that. It is a missing breastplate.

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 11:43pm

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    bleed the banks

    From the "death by a thousand cuts" file, and related to point #1, besides depriving the TBTF banks of deposit resources, may I suggest the following, which I practice:  though it somewhat pains me to not support the use of cash, I pay for most personal and many business expenses with a BoA credit card which gives me airline miles.  I pay it off in full every month.  I get the air miles, and I figure, even with the yearly CC fee, I probably cost BoA a few bucks every month to pay for the miles, accounting overhead, bullshit job payroll, etc.  Of course the miles could evaporate with a "change of policy" and a few strokes of the keyboard, but I rarely use them anyway....Times a couple million similar actions, and you're talking, I don't know, the salary of a BoA mid-level manager?....Hmmm.  Aloha, Steve.

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 11:50pm

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    MSM is Reporting on the Shakey Data

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling

    The report is unraveling.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 12:04am

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    That damn dog again....

    I am 110% supportive of non-violent direct action as proposed by Adam.  But there are so many more of us that can take action from home to "light up" our elected managers that I feel compelled to, once again, appear the fool in suggesting the following, previously submitted, may have value if implemented (please update references to home-quarantined persons to "outraged citizens hitting the streets"):

    When the people lead

    So what are we to do, as Americans for this discussion,

    given our situation?

    A lack of planning, preparedness, or implementation by the government for a foreseeable event.

    A federal government constantly in lock-up mode.

    A predatory and destructive financial/monetary system.

    A “why-bother-voting?” two-party political system.

    Many, many other systemic failures.

    All the above negatively affect 99% of Americans.

    The following have been bandied around for decades. Perhaps now is the time.

    Term limits for elected officials. Thank you for your service to the country- now get a real job. No pension, no insurance-for-life.

    No revolving door between government service and private industry for 5 years.

    Publicly-funded elections.   Sorry Mike….

    Reverse the Citizens United decision. Corporations are not people.

    Dismantle the Federal Reserve Bank.

    These are certainly not my original ideas, and I know there are a few other really basic proposals for change and improvement that I am forgetting at the moment. There is much talk of a reset, or even a complete destruction of the present system. Perhaps engaging a proactive campaign immediately, we can provide the “solution” (or at least a solution of our choice) to guide the country where we would like it to be. I really, given the present political/social/economic situation, can’t imagine anyone- left, right, center, libertarian, socialist, or whatever, not embracing those changes.

    So we have a country full of citizens sitting at home, for a month or more, wondering WTF?, with an extra 8-12 hours of time to think about it (one would hope). Is now the time for a huge grassroots campaign to pressure our elected officials to enact change that we “all” can agree on? What might happen if 10% of the recently furloughed/unemployed wrote/emailed/called/texted their elected representatives every day during this lockdown demanding action to implement the above? 30%? 60%?

    I don’t care how one feels about the Wall, abortion, or the Second Amendment, it’s time to motivate people to make changes that will possibly provide us with a responsive government. People need to think differently: as Citizens, not victims.

    My sweetheart is an unabashed conspiracy theorist. She thinks there are possibly some “good guys” that will come to our rescue. I choose not to be part of a “cargo cult”.   The Founding Fathers/Mothers have come and gone. WE are the good guys! It’s up to us!

    90% of Americans have been “under attack” since, what, 1971?  How long should we wait to take action to “create a world worth inheriting”?  I believe, like us, most politicians are feeling like that deer in the headlights, wondering which way to jump.  There will soon be millions of citizens with time on their hands that could provide them with a not-so-gentle nudge as to which direction to jump.  It’d be sad to see that opportunity lost…

    But, these are scary times, and perhaps people aren’t ready to drop their fear and move to something positive that they can have some control over.  It appears many will die, but the living will deserve something better, if they’re willing to invest a bit of energy and action.  In the ’60s we hit the streets, and actually brought about some change.  But we’ve grown soft, and keyboard protest may have to do for now.  Not much peril in that.

    Never let a crisis go to waste.

    When the people lead, the leaders will follow.

    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

    Could this be a new meme for our time and situation? How would we get something like this primed?   I believe the time may be upon us.   I guess I haven’t lost faith yet.   Aloha, Steve.

    Furthermore:

    Letter of demands to my representatives:

     

    Dear Senator/Congressperson ________________,

     

    Given the state of our Country in these trying times, it has become even more apparent that our government, systemically, and in the form of our elected officials, has exhibited an inability to function effectively for the benefit of We the People.

    As my elected representative, I would request, nay, demand, that you consider, and take immediate action to advance the following schedule of corrections to our system to allow for a more responsive and beneficial government Of the People, By the People, and For the People:

    • 1) Work to reverse the “Citizens United” decision. Corporations are NOT citizens,
    • 2) Limit the lifetime term of service of Senators and Congresspersons to two terms only, without pension or lifetime healthcare,
    • 3) Eliminate the revolving door between any Federal employee’s government service and any private industry which is associated with said employee’s service, for a minimum of 5 years,
    • 4) Mandatory Federally-funded elections for all Federal elected positions,
    • 5) Dismantle, or at minimum, audit, the Federal Reserve Bank.

     

    I will eagerly await your next promotional newsletter highlighting the steps you have taken to implement the above improvements. Elections in November!

     

    Best wishes for health and prosperity,

    Your humble employer,

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 4:20am

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    Hladini

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    Keyboard Warrior

    I agree with Thatchmo.  The citizens should complain.... often.  Here is my most recent letter to Congressman Ted Yoho:

    Good Morning Mr. Yoho:  I am very concerned about the direction this country is headed.  As the recent national rioting illustrates, Main Street is sick and tired of our two-tiered justice system.  We can see the Trickle Down Theory in real time:  the elites break the laws with impunity, including murder in broad daylight with cameras rolling, so why not Main Street?

    Great inequality includes everything, including the justice system.  When did being an important person equate into above the law?  It's a free for all on Main Street BECAUSE it's been a free for all in DC/Wallstreet.  Cause and effect baby, get used to it.

    When I see what is going on in the streets of America, I  AM NOT SURPRISED.  Are you?  While America burns, folks like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos get richer and richer into stratospheres of wealth that are incomprehensible.   How is it possible the Fed has a license to ROB the NATION for the benefit of a few fucking multi-multi billionaires?

    Now I am learning that all the solutions to our present day problems from mandatory vaccination to digital currency to monitoring every single American's vital signs to anticipating every single American's every need to following every single American's every move and communication (to stamp out civil unrest) to requiring health passports, to Lord only knows what else, are being offered up on a silver platter by  these same fucking billionaires.  I guess they are shooting to become trillionaires.  Then what?

    America needs to go back to its roots.  Less government and more civil participation.  Living within our means.  Respecting each other's privacy and autonomy.  Being productive members of our community.   Wanting to give more than we take.  When we have leaders that demonstrate these characteristics, then maybe we'll see some stability in life.  I'll have to say though, the odds do not favor this outcome.

    Instead we have debt that is rocketing into far off universes.  We have fake money that benefits its first users:  the Big Banks and Hedge Funds,and the Billionaires.  Instead America can routinely watch law enforcement officers kill unarmed, helpless, defenseless citizens and KEEP THEIR JOBS.  Instead, the US gov would rather enrich the vaccine manufacturers at the expense of GENERATIONS of  American children.  Instead, America is prosecuting a publisher for revealing the truth.  Instead, America is committed to perpetual war.  Instead, America authorizes gain-of-function research meant only to destroy and wreak havoc.  Instead, the US government has authorized the indefinite detention of US citizens by the military  without rights to charges, an attorney or a trial.  Instead Americans get stagnation:  stagnant wages and rising prices.  Instead the US government and the MSM/social platforms have conducted an absolute stunning media psy-op and censorship campaign worthy of China.  Mission Accomplished.  The nation is completely confused, irreversibly indebted, bereft of any avenues for redress, stripped of individual rights with little hope of economic advancement and treated as consumer units.

    No wonder America is burning!  Welcome to the public's angry retort.

     

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 4:47am

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    Penguin Will said:

    A great post and some great comments. I agree with a whole lot of it. I'd add the "free trade" scam, mass immigration, monopoly law enforcement, patent reform, and a complete outlawing of these damned political non-profit "foundation" money laundering schemes.... but that's just me.

    Now I'm going to say some unpopular things. Very unpopular with some. But it needs to be said. It is almost impossible to use violence to take down a corrupt system and still keep your goals in sight. Violence tends to muddy the waters to the point where worthy goals are lost. At the same time, it is almost impossible to take down a corrupt and entrenched system without violence or at least the fear that things could get violent.

    And those who can maintain their heads through the crucible and still build worthwhile things are one in a million. Kids today vilify guys like Washington and Jefferson as if there is a single one of them that could have done what those "old dead white dudes" did without falling prey to individual ambition or useless revenge. FDR is an almost forgotten man, even his financial system reforms are just plain lost to history. And the worst part is that SO MUCH of the work was done for us and then was intentionally thrown away by the people running this nation in the last 40 years. People like George Meany, Caser Chavez, Mother Jones, John L Lewis (ad infinitum) had done the dirty work and fought the actual fights to establish a decent life for working people. (Hoffa is an example of someone who got lost in the violence. A giant who made a dirty deal that cost him his legacy... and most likely his very life. )

    And here is the unpopular part: The overturn of the work of these people was deliberate and intentional. And most of both parties agreed with doing so. This work was attacked on the right by a weird, mutated John Wayne individualism and on the left by an identity politics that allowed the concerns of actual working class people to be replaced by those of the professional managerial class. And most of them got filthy rich by doing so. And without understanding this any and all efforts to make changes to the system will be futile.

    Why? Because you are going to be working with people who, knowingly or not, are going to sabotage the effort.

    Will

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 5:32am

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    or, at a minimum, audit the Fed?

    I’d remove that part.  The Fed has to go, or no meaningful change can take place.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 6:05am

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    Feel-Good Follies

    Authoritarians react to protesting in the same manner that you would react to flies/gnats/mosquitoes at a picnic: light some tiki torches and citronella candles and ignore the few that get through.

    We've seen a century of nonviolent protests. It achieves little aside from making the individual feel like they've participated somehow. "I've got my sign. I feel good."
    I doubt very much that Jamie Dimon or Lloyd Blankfein would be affected by candle light vigils in central park.

    For every Martin Luther King Jr., there is a Malcolm X. For every Gandhi, there is a Bhagat Singh. All four of these men were killed for their struggles, regardless of violence or non-violence.

    Did the Sons of Liberty boycott the Bank of England? They burned down buildings and tarred and feathered people. They did this with specific intent to incite the lower classes.

    We could encourage folks to start using local currencies, move to transition towns, pass legislation that prints helicopter money for state and local public works, turn off their tvs, and stop using energy. These types of efforts represent a valid, well-constructed, non-violent opposition. Unfortunately, those efforts do not feature the visceral catharsis of a brick through a window or a burning cop car.

    I don't advocate the violence, but I won't attempt to demonize it, either. It comes from the correct place: anger and frustration.

    Peak Prosperity represents the intellectual arm of resistance, or as we call it, resilience. You folks do it well, keep up the good work.

    We don't have to engage in the violence, but at least we should respect their yin to our yang.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 6:08am

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    Psychopaths in power

    I haven't seen anyone mention psychopaths. Several studies have estimated that between 1% and 2% of the population are psychopaths. For "normal" people it is very difficult to understand how another human being can be so callous, uncaring, and get so much satisfaction out of someone else's suffering. We're just not wired that way.

    Some types of institutions (think CIA and NSA), levels of management (think CEOs) and of course politics attract those people and they are therefore over-represented there. Psychopaths would also be more inclined to employ other psychopaths as their close "allies". A "group think" scenario then emerges where the entire strategic direction of said institution, business or country for that matter is steered by these sick people. I say sick, but that implies that they can be cured. Psychopathy is incurable, and Narcissism mostly as well (many of these people have both diabolical traits).

    So based on the strong possibility that the elite are psychopaths and narcissists, and employ sociopaths (the 'goons' who make up 4% of the population) maybe one should re-think the strategy of trying to shame them by playing on their feelings. That might work on a small percentage of low-level employees and officials, but not on people devoid of any empathy. When this fourth turning accelerates, the elites better hope it's not like France in 1789 or Romania in 1989.

    See:

    Infographic: Psychopath Vs. Sociopath


    and

    Narcissist vs. Sociopath: The Difference Explained

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 6:11am

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    Durable

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    Durable said:

    What is in our control:

    Decentralize. Relocate. Produce sustenance. Buy local and small. Build community and resilience at local level. Barter. Stand with / for each other.

    What may be within our Influence

    Analog activism - pamphlettes, billboards, town halls, door to door

    Where paper ballots exist, vote 3 rd party or independent.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 7:24am

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    Torii

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    VOTE

    Vote. Vote. Vote.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 7:42am

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    Increasing Debt Is A Necessary Evil

    Which was brought about once we made a pact with the Devil in 1913. Once we accepted fractional reserve banking and later switched from a gold backed currency to fiat money, increasing debt is the only way the system functions. If credit/debt is not driving the eCONomy then Joe and Joan Sixpack would not be able to afford most of the common durable goods because prices are constantly increasing.

    Back in 1978 you could buy a brand new Chevy Camaro Z28 for under $7,500. Today that same car is pushing around $30,000. With wage disparity i.e. not keeping up with inflation, the only way to buy such a vehicle is thru credit. Unless that person was single and saved every penny and even that would be hard to do with rising mortgage and rent payments.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 8:01am

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    Cracks in the Armour

    Good catch! It looks like Adam revised the subheading. Thanks to both you and Adam. 🙂

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 8:09am

    MKI

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    Increasing Debt Is A Necessary Evil

    Rodster,

    That's an excellent point, and your example is perfect. Once the system (Fed) is in place, the end result of asset purchases is fixed.

    Many like to make the Fed behavior to be some sort of morality play. I doubt it. Rather, I think it is probably fairly decent people in way over their head and trying to keep the wheels on the collapsing vehicle.

    Which makes is very predictable. And makes dividend-paying blue-chip stocks the new bonds, and the place to be.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 8:31am

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    Be careful what you wish for

    Or at least be careful to be fully prepared for something that will require skills in violence and the appropriate tools to go with it.

    https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/05/when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence

    Matt Bracken tries in this essay to imagine the kinds of things that might happen in America if the kind of riots we’re seeing today (and have seen many times before) don’t lose steam and stall while still mostly restricted to the Big Blue Cities where they started. This morning the “festivities” seem to be stalling and slowing, but Bracken’s thought experiment is worth considering as a future possibility this summer or some other time. If things got as bad as he imagines, we’d all be wise to quit talking and get ready.

    STEP ONE: FLASH MOB LOOTING

    In my scenario, the initial riots begin spontaneously across affected urban areas, as SNAP (supplemental nutrition assistance program) and other government welfare recipients learn that their EBT cards no longer function. This sudden revelation will cause widespread anger, which will quickly lead to the flash-mob looting of local supermarkets and other businesses. The media will initially portray these “food riots” as at least partly justifiable. Sadly, millions of Americans have been made largely, or even entirely, dependent on government wealth transfer payments to put food on their tables.

    A new social contract has been created, where bread and circuses buy a measure of peace in our minority-populated urban zones. In the era of ubiquitous big-screen cable television, the internet and smart phones, the circus part of the equation is never in doubt as long as the electricity flows. But the bread is highly problematic. Food must be delivered the old-fashioned way: physically. Any disruption in the normal functioning of the EBT system will lead to food riots with a speed that is astonishing. This will inevitably happen when our unsustainable, debt-fueled binge party finally stops, and the music is over. Now that the delivery of free or heavily subsidized food is perceived by tens of millions of Americans to be a basic human right, the cutoff of “their” food money will cause an immediate explosion of rage. When the hunger begins to bite, supermarkets, shops and restaurants will be looted, and initially the media will not condemn the looting. Unfortunately, this initial violence will only be the start of a dangerous escalation.

    The ransacked supermarkets, convenience stores, ATMs and gas stations will not be restocked during this period due to the precarious security situation. A single truck loaded with food or gasoline would be perceived to be a Fort Knox on wheels and subject to immediate attack unless heavily protected by powerfully armed security forces, but such forces will not be available during this chaotic period. Under those conditions, resupply to the urban areas cannot and will not take place. The downward spiral of social and economic dysfunction will therefore both accelerate and spread from city to city. These delays, in turn, will lead to more riots with the constant underlying demand that hungry people be fed, one way or another.

    Catch-22, anyone? When these demands do not bring the desired outcome, the participants will ratchet up the violence, hoping to force action by the feckless state and national governments...

    NEXT STEP: FLASH MOB RIOTS

    In order to highlight their grievances and escalate their demands for an immediate resumption of government benefits, the MUY (Minority Urban Youth) flash mobs will next move their activities to the borders of their ethnic enclaves. They will concentrate on major intersections and highway interchanges where non-MUY suburban commuters must make daily passage to and from what forms of employment still exist. People making a living will still be using those roads to get to where they earn their daily bread.

    The results of these clashes will frequently resemble the intersection of Florence and Normandie during the Rodney King riots in 1992, where Reginald Denny was pulled out of his truck’s cab and beaten nearly to death with a cinder block. If you don’t remember it, watch it on Youtube. Then imagine that scene with the mob-making accelerant of texting and other social media technology added to stoke the fires. Instead of a few dozen thugs terrorizing the ambushed intersections, in minutes there will be hundreds.

    Rioters will throw debris such as shopping carts and trash cans into the intersection, causing the more timid drivers to pause. The mobs will swarm the lines of trapped cars once they have stopped. Traffic will be forced into gridlock for blocks in all directions. Drivers and passengers of the wrong ethnic persuasions will be pulled from their vehicles to be beaten, robbed, and in some cases raped and/or killed. It will be hyper-violent and overtly racial mob behavior, on a massive and undeniable basis.

    Some of those trapped in their cars will try to drive out of the area, inevitably knocking down MUY pedestrians and being trapped by even more outraged MUYs. The commuters will be dragged out of their cars and kicked or beaten to death. Other suburban commuters will try to shoot their way out of the lines of stopped cars, and they will meet the same grim fate once they run out of bullets and room to escape.

    The mob will be armed with everything from knives, clubs and pistols to AK-47s. A bloodbath will result. These unlucky drivers and their passengers will suffer horribly, and some of their deaths will be captured on traffic web cameras. Later, these terrible scenes will be released or leaked by sympathetic government insiders and shown by the alternative media, which continue to expand as the traditional media become increasingly irrelevant...

    THE OFFICIAL POLICE RESPONSE TO FLASH MOB RIOTS

    To gear up for even a single “Florence and Normandie on steroids” flash mob street riot, city police departments will require an hour or longer to stage their SWAT teams and riot squads in position to react. Ordinary patrol cars in small numbers will not venture anywhere near such roiling masses of hysterical rioters, not even to perform rescues. Those citizens trapped in their cars cannot expect timely assistance from local or state authorities.

    Even in the first days of widespread riots, when the police forces are well rested, it might take several hours to mount a response sufficient to quell the disturbance and restore order to even one major street intersection riot. In the meantime, scores of innocent commuters will have been attacked, with many of them injured or killed and left at the scene. It will be a law enforcement nightmare to quell the disturbance, mop up lingering rioters, restore security, and bring medical attention to the living and get medical examiners to the dead. And each jurisdiction will face potentially dozens of such scenes, thanks to the ability for MUYs to cross-communicate at will using their wireless devices.

    The far more difficult challenge for the police is that by the time they are suited in riot gear, armed and geared up to sweep the intersection, it will probably be empty of rioters. The police, with their major riot squad reaction times measured in hours, will be fighting flash mobs that materialize, cause mayhem, and evaporate in only fractions of hours. This rapid cycle time is a clear lesson taken from massive riots by immigrant French Muslims in their own religious enclaves.

    The American flash mob riot will exist almost entirely inside the law enforcement OODA (observe, orient, decide, act) loop. In other words, the rioters will have a much quicker reaction time than the police. Until fairly recently, superior police communications meant that they could use their radio networks as a force multiplier. With their networking advantage and cohesive reactions both within a department and among cooperating local agencies, police could act as shepherds guiding or dispersing a wayward stampeding flock.

    Today, the mob has the greater advantage, immediately spreading word of every police preparation by text and Tweet, even in advance of the police movement. Attempts by the authorities to stop the flash mobs by blocking and jamming wireless transmissions will have limited success.

    It is at this point that the situation spirals out of control.

    The enraged mobs in urban America will soon recognize that their spontaneous street riots cannot be stopped by the police, and then they will grow truly fearsome. For the police, it will be a losing game of Whack-a-Mole, with riots breaking out and dispersing at a speed they cannot hope to match. The violence will spread to previously unaffected cities as an awareness of law enforcement impotence is spread by television and social media. After a few days, the police forces will be exhausted and demoralized. As the violence intensifies and spreads, and in the absence of any viable security arrangements, supermarkets and other stores will not be restocked, leaving the MUYs even more desperate and angry than before. The increasing desperation born of worsening hunger will refuel the escalating spiral of violence...

    THE SUBURBAN ARMED VIGILANTE RESPONSE

    In the absence of an effective official police response to the exploding levels of violence, suburbanites will first hastily form self-defense forces to guard their neighborhoods—especially ones located near ethnic borders. These ubiquitous neighborhood armed defense teams will often have a deep and talented bench from which to select members, and they will not lack for volunteers.

    Since 9-11, hundreds of thousands of young men (and more than a few women) have acquired graduate-level educations in various aspects of urban warfare. In the Middle East these troops were frequently tasked with restoring order to urban areas exploding in internecine strife. Today these former military men and women understand better than anyone the life-or-death difference between being armed and organized versus unarmed and disorganized...

    The operation I will describe (and it’s only one of dozens that will be tried) uses two ordinary pickup trucks and eight fighters. Two riflemen are lying prone in the back of each truck, facing rearward, with removable canvas covers concealing their presence. Their semi-automatic, scoped rifles are supported at their front ends on bipods for very accurate shooting. A row of protective sandbags a foot high is between them and the raised tailgate.

    In the cab are a driver and a spotter in the passenger seat who also serves as the vehicle’s 360-degree security. The two trucks don’t ever appear on the same stretch of road, but coordinate their movements using one-word brevity codes over small FRS walkie-talkie radios. Each truck has a series of predetermined elevated locations where the intersection in question will lie between 200 and 500 yards away. Each truck is totally nondescript and forgettable, the only detail perhaps being the non-MUY ethnicity of the suburbanite driver and spotter driving relatively near to a riot in progress.

    By the time the two SAV (Suburban Armed Vigilante) pickup trucks arrive at their firing positions on different streets and oriented ninety degrees to one another, the flash mob riot is in full swing. A hundred or more of the rampaging youths are posturing and throwing debris into traffic in order to intimidate some cars into stopping. The riflemen in the backs of the pickups are waiting for this moment and know what to expect, trusting their spotters and drivers to give them a good firing lane. The spotters in each truck issue a code word on their radios when they are in final position. The tailgates are swung down, and the leader among the riflemen initiates the firing. All-around security is provided by the driver and spotter.

    Lying prone and using their bipods for support, the shooters have five to ten degrees of pan or traverse across the entire intersection. Individual rioters are clearly visible in the shooters’ magnified optical scopes. Each of the four snipers has a plan to shoot from the outside of the mob toward the middle, driving participants into a panicked mass. The left-side shooters start on the left side and work to the middle, engaging targets with rapid fire, about one aimed shot per two seconds. Since the two trucks are set at ninety degrees to one another, very complete coverage will be obtained, even among and between the stopped vehicles.

    The result is a turkey shoot. One magazine of thirty aimed shots per rifle is expended in under a minute, a coded cease-fire is called on the walkie-talkies, and the trucks drive away at the speed limit. The canvas covering the truck beds contains the shooters’ spent brass. If the trucks are attacked from medium or close range, the canvas can be thrown back and the two snipers with their semi-automatic rifles or carbines will add their firepower to that of the driver and spotter.

    Back at the intersection, complete panic breaks out among the rioters as a great number of bullets have landed in human flesh. Over a score have been killed outright, and many more scream in pain for medical attention they will not receive in time. The sniper ambush stops the flash mob cold in its tracks as the uninjured flee in terror, leaving their erstwhile comrades back on the ground bleeding. The commuters trapped in their vehicles may have an opportunity to escape....

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 8:56am

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    KugsCheese

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    Small Banks Are Being Acquired

    My bank was just acquired by a NASDAQ-listed bank.  This is common.   What to do?   Credit Unions only?  What if farm land prices collapse?

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 9:09am

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    The New York Times May Like Your Idea

    ...given that they have been in bed with the powers that be for a long long time. I hesitate to empower them more then attempt to wrest that increased power from them. They have too many friends in high places.  Like the banks, we could simply stop using them for their falsely declared purpose and find other sources.... like this site    People should cancel existing subscriptions                                                        Like Gandhi, I like the power of the purchase. While getting out of debt is much easier said than done for most of the audience, the method of trying to do so could have great secondary effects.  I often think the most dramatic demonstration of power, especially now, would be a full on attack at this debt based consumer driven structure. I instinctually feel it should be “pandemic” and simply apply to everything.  If we split into 4 groups and each group took a week and in that week did their best to purchase next to nothing that is - use the other three weeks to get what they need - I wonder what percentage of the US consumer would be necessary to get their attention. How can they force us to buy things ? Unlike vandalism they cant make us buy a dress at gunpoint - even if that does fulfill someone’s secret fantasy : )     Its peaceful ... but it hurts... and it’s the only language they speak

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 9:10am

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    We do the same with their Amtrak miles program.

    Can travel cross the country twice a year to see family, in a sleeper room with meals, for free, essentially.   We stopped flying years and years ago.  This is also BofA and we also always pay off the monthly.  They aren't making anything on us.  And you can buy tickets for family with it, if you want/need to.  Takes 32 hours from Wenatchee to St Paul RT, including two nights bookending one day on the train.   Still not where I want to be with the virus issue right now, but, in the future, who knows.  Wonder how Amtrak is handling social distancing.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 9:30am

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    toni jean said:

    A bigger picture is missing in this discussion.  The consolidation of everything ! Over to ON LINE EVERYTHING- I watch Cspan religiously- the focus in early Feb was not the virus but fast tracking the 5 G to have in place before the fall so tele learning can be permanent- tele medicine etc-   and using the "fear of being contageous" draining cash out of main street ( restaurants, under the table workers , illegal immigrants, baby sitters , house cleaners, etc)  to convert us to digital currency so they can control every single transaction in addition to "tracking and controlling ones movement".  One hearing I watched was about the need to create NEW CYBER MARKETS - of which 5 G enables all this.

    If you havent noticed- go take a drive take a close look around- new big and small TOWERS everywhere !  they are put this  5 geeee  network in place with super speed gone up over night to enable all of us to transition into this sub human high tech future.   They need to exaggerate the deadliness of the virus to perpetuate the fear - reason to no going back to school/college  for kids - directly to E learning from home  (dont need many teachers for that, my niece just got laid off), they are not planning for a return to schools. Then House Ways and Means hearing in Congress only solution to the virus is  TELE MEDICINE- which is already in place ready to go !! (miraculously) - (no privacy , and eventually remove doctors from that equation) a computer will just "scan how you look, put you up in the cloud,  collect your vitals (fit bit style) and then the algorithms will calculate your treatment and ship you a coctail of drugs- (no pharmacist needed)  drugs that may or may not heal you or just make you sicker.

    its the technology that is our enemy-  from allowing Bio warfare, to drone warfare, to removing people from meaningful work and people centered jobs - all sold to us under the illusion of safety , Transition main st and shops over Amazon, furniture stores over Wayfar,  restaurants over take out, Grubhub eventually Amazon.

    the more we do ON LINE and with anything "smart" the more they consolidate and monitize and control us . Take a drive and look around- you will see massive towers have been erected overnight while on lock down, new cameras on every single traffic light, light posts with new cameras,  highways lined with new poles with cameras-

    BOYCOTT SMART HIGH TECH , SMART CITIES, SURVEILANCE ,TELE MEDICINE, TELE LEARNING, STOP THE ROLL OUT OF 5 g that enables all this.

    TIE this in with the GLOBAL VIRUS forced Contact tracing, tracking by APPS?  to be followed by "immunity passports" if you ever want to work in a group setting again or fly ?   Big Pharma is tied in with Big Tech and Govt and Fed -  this is a TECH take over of the 99% .   Only the fear of a virus can do all this.  Our children suffer serious mental trauma the longer it goes on that they cant have friend, freely play creatively.  I say boycott the lock down!  Boycott the masks- those still afraid of dying from the virus or have a serious condition can and should stay home

     

     

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 9:37am

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Will work for BTC

    In 2008 I was a gold and silver bug. A couple of years later I became a crypto bug. When I looked at BTC seriously I realized it was a Libertarian wet dream. It was OUR  currency. It was not issued with debt and it could not be inflated ad infinitum.

    Unfortunately it became a speculative vehicle. Futures markets developed ( with the help of TPTB). Exchanges blossomed so that people could cash in for fiat currency.

    It is not too late for people to use crypto for its original intention. It is an alt currency. Why not WORK FOR BTC. Adam why not forget the resilience t shirts and print some WILL WORK FOR CRYPTO shirts.

    I worked to set up a local currency in my town. We had Paul Glover come and talk and the mayor showed up. The mayor's only concern was how the city would get taxes. Pretty simple. Buy a pizza with local currency and pay the tax with fiat. Or the city could embrace crypto and pay suppliers and employees with crypto (optional of course)

    Crypto is a global local currency.

    FTR I do not expect that to happen.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 9:42am

    toni jean

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    toni jean said:

    Bank of America MAKES HUGE money off your transactions by charging the vendor or or small business or restaurant 3-5% !   USE a Credit Union Credit Card !  skip the perks!   GO BACK TO CASH and mailing Checks !!

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 10:03am

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    Mohammed Mast

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    The Revolution wil NOT be Televised

    Gil Scott Heron was a genius and visionary. You can substitute yesterday's politicians and products with today's. The revolution will not be brought to you by google, facebook or twitter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGaoXAwl9kw

    Any kind of revolution is just a fantasy. The people running things now have been running things for centuries. As you stated Adam they will not give up privilege. They have not only survived every war, revolution, election, pandemic etc, they have thrived and fomented them. They are 100's of moves ahead of anybody else.

    They have the money to hire the best and brightest to do their bidding. They have the money to have the fastest computers to simulate virtually any scenario. AI? That is their brainchild, no pun intended.

    I lived through a revolutionary era in the US. It got coopted , packaged and sold back to us. The revolutionaries got married, had kids, went to work for corporate Amerika  and invested in the stock market.

    I get all excited when I hear all this revolutionary talk. Then I go into Walmart (not to buy anything) at 2 pm on a Saturday afternoon and all thoughts of a revolution disappear. That is Amerika. Amerika has no interest in any sort of revolution. It just wants to buy things, watch NFL football and drink beer. It has been sold all kinds of myths about history. These people can't stay at home for more than a few weeks w/o losing it.

    Nah aint gonna be no revolution peaceful of otherwise. It is going to have to get a lot worse, I mean a lot worse to wake up fat, dumb Amerika. So grow a garden, have a deep pantry, get a Rottweiler, and an AR 15 and settle in.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 10:06am

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    Merchant Services

    The subject line will be known to anyone who processes credit card payments for customers/clients.  Yes, I agree.  These juicy rewards programs are NOT free.  Working at a small business, it's ghastly the invoices that come in on credit card fee statements, with PCI compliance, interchange fees, and a host of other fluff charges that total 3-5%.  No need to wonder why big banks love the idea of going cashless as they'll get a piece of every transaction.  The worst is donating money to charity and realizing then banks take a cut.  I switched to checks for this.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 10:11am

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    Interesting topic

    I love the topic. I often want to do something about the situation we find ourselves in and I am always looking for new information.

    A few thoughts of my own.

    1. Boycotting the Big Banks. 

    I not only boycott the big banks. I give them the reasons. For instance, I am adamantly anti-war. I used to have a Bank of America Credit Card. Once, I heard a BOA message describing how Bank of America is supporting America’s military. I called up and cancelled the credit card. When they asked why I said that I don’t do business with any company that supports militarism. I also boycott businesses and institutions, which are not banks,  for that and other reasons.  I boycott them and let them know why.

    2. Live Debt Free

    That is pretty easy for me. I was forced to take care of myself from a pretty early age. I worked ferociously hard and often under horrible conditions just to survive. I learned that being very careful with money was important. And I learned unnecessary debt was a big no-no. But I would go farther. Every time I buy something, I ask myself, do I want this just for a "sugar high" - which I know will wear off quickly - or will this purchase cause a lasting improvement in my life. I also do an upside-downside analysis on every non-trivial purchase. For instance, I might ask, will this purchase cost me more money down the line? Will this purchase save me money down the line? Will this purchase effectuate dual purposes? For instance a hand saw will simply not cut as quickly as a power saw. But the hand saw will give me more exercise and is less likely to break down. On the other hand I would ask myself, is the hand saw unrealistic for my proposed uses? Evaluating purchases this  way makes it easier to live debt free. 

    3. Convert the media.

    This one I completely disagree with. A person has about as much of a chance of converting the corporate media into honest journalists as  they have of converting the big banks to Buddhism.

    It won’t happen.

    Instead, a person should support sites like this one. Encourage others to do so. And encourage sites like this one to prominently cross-link to other reliable sites. Help create a counter network of reliable information. Make the corporate media irrelevant.

    4. Expose the Villains.

    I agree. But this one is hard. I expose the villains through personal knowledge I have acquired. I have done a lot of things and travelled to a lot of places.

    People who know me, know that.

    But there are things that I know to be true, which, if I told others about them, they would simply not believe me. They might even conclude that I had lost my mind. I only tell people information that I know that they can handle or I know that they will eventually verify on their own. For instance, I had a friend who was going to Europe for the first time. He believed that America had the highest standard of living in the world. I told him to compare the quality of European infrastructure to American infrastructure. He did. It was an eye opener for him. But I told the same person that the Federal Reserve Bank has a plunge protection team that will step in and fix prices on the stock market in the event of a crash. This is a pretty well established fact. Still, he looked at me like I was crazy. 

    There are other things that I know to be true that I would not even post on this bulletin board. A lot of people would never believe another thing that I wrote here. The problem is that the government/media disinformation is so thorough and comes at you from so many angles, that it is difficult to tell the truth and still be believed.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 10:21am

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    Stop Support of Mainstream Media

    I suggest cancelling the cable TV subscriptions, and even better, throw the TVs in the dump.  I also wouldn't advise subscribing to mainstream news channels or papers.  Instead, support independent news media, independent thinkers and independent analysts that you trust.  There are lots of intelligent individuals and groups online that are more worthy of your money (PP being one of them).  These would grow and become more professional if they received more support.

    The narratives in society need to be changed along with other changes.  In Western societies, the media is dominated by a small number of organizations.  In the U.S. , 2 companies (Sinclair Broadcast Group and Nextstar Media Group) control ~80% of the TV stations in the country (it's possible their control is somewhat higher when shared marketing agreements are taken into account, where they control the programming for an affiliate company that uses their operations), and to some extent they also own radio stations.

    Similarly, I would suggest stopping support of the large online platforms which are exerting narrative control and censorship of speech, as well as mining user data, interests and opinions etc.  If we stop using online Google (which owns Youtube) and Microsoft applications, and social media such as Facebook and Twitter, their stock valuations will go down.  And their addictive programming will no longer be in control of our minds.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 10:33am

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    It is all charge cards

    credit unions also contract with the large charge card players, for there charge cards, they do have a smaller provider for atm transactions

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 11:01am

    Mike from Jersey

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    @thatchmo

    I don't have a BOA credit card anymore but I do the same thing with another card. I actually have it set up so that my balance is automatically paid in full (by an automatic debit) each month. That way I never pay a penny in interest. But at the end of each month, the credit card company pays two per cent of all my purchases into my own account. It is like getting a 2% discount on all my purchases.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 11:21am

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    Thors Hammer said:

    Ideas for Righteous Revolution

    Convert the Military Oligarch state that functions to keep the knee of the oppressors firmly on the neck of the .99.99% into a Potlatch Society where the  greatest  value is giving away wealth for the common good.

    Step 1:

    Every year seize all the wealth and possessions of the richest  500  in the country.  Send them into permanent retirement  with a nice house valued at the national medium  along with a permanent retirement income again set at the medium income  of their fellow citizens. A far nicer outcome for them than the guillotine that some deserve. Prohibit them from ever owning stocks and bonds, managing a corporation, holding public office, or receiving a salary in addition to their retirement stipend.  Very few Oligarchs contribute to the public good anyway, and those who do are easily replaced.

    2- Replace the Global Force Projection Military State with a National Defense Force with 1/10 the budget and prohibition against foreign involvements.

    3- Distribute the wealth collected annually from the Filth Rich 500 equally to all citizens as a start up nest egg when they reach the age of responsibility--- say 25.  No racism, class divisions, or bureaucracy---just a check.  The crack dealer from the Bronx and Bill Gates' kid all get the same check to start their financial lives at the same age and be whatever they can be in a free Opportunity Democracy.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 11:24am

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    Trigger words?

    I had to ruminate over this overnight.  I sure don't want to hijack this thread from it's intended path, and I hope I'm not misconstruing the objection, but...."chinks in the armor" is now considered offensive?  Come ON PPers!  Context!  Armor may have chinks, as well as log cabin walls.  I shouldn't suggest a "cracker" with cheese for snacking, or attend my local "honky" tonk on Saturday night for some fun?    I'm under the impression that we here strive for anti-fragility in thinking and action.  The times demand that we toughen up.  Aloha, Steve.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 11:28am

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    Thors Hammer said:

    How to arrive at the Potlatch Society?  I'm betting that  Mao was right--- power grows out of the mouth of a gun.  Not to say that power often grows into a garden of the common Good! Especially when a planetary weed species like Homo Saps are in charge.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 11:38am

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    Threat Assessment: SNAP participants

    When considering the scenario above, it may be helpful to assess the potential threat if the SNAP participants run amuck. While somewhat dated (2016 figures) the paragraphs below are excerpted from the Wikipedia link in Matt Bracken's essay above (the exact content of which I think has been recycled as I'm sure I've read it somewhere else some years ago).

    SNAP participants' profile:

    "A summary statistical report indicated that an average of 44.2 million people used the program in FY 2016, down from 45.8 million in 2015 and below the 2013 peak of 47.6 million.[42] SNAP is able to support 75% of those eligible for the program. Nearly 72 percent of SNAP participants are in families with children; more than one-quarter of participants are in households with seniors or people with disabilities.[43]

    As of 2013, more than 15% of the U.S. population receive food assistance, and more than 20% in Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oregon and Tennessee. Washington D.C. was the highest share of the population to receive food assistance at over 23%.[44]

    Average number of persons participating in the SNAP, 2000–2016. The number of participants increased due to the Great Recession, peaking in 2013, and has since fallen.

    According to the United States Department of Agriculture (based on a study of data gathered in Fiscal Year 2010), statistics for the food stamp program are as follows:[45]
    49% of all participant households have children (17 or younger), and 55% of those are single-parent households.
    15% of all participant households have elderly (age 60 or over) members.
    20% of all participant households have non-elderly disabled members.
    The average gross monthly income per food stamp household is $731; The average net income is $336.
    37% of participants are White, 22% are African-American, 10% are Hispanic, 2% are Asian, 4% are Native American, and 19% are of unknown race or ethnicity.[45]" (Source)

    More recent (Apr. 2020 report, Feb. 2020 data) USDA figures show the average monthly benefit for recipients of various food assistance programs ranges from $20.09 for the elderly; $40.16 for WIC (women, infants and children); and $121.36 for SNAP. (Source) 

    These food assistance amounts provide minimal relief at best and are not keeping pace with the recent increases in food prices. So yes, many people are already in dire circumstances and more so due to the pandemic and economic inequality/collapse. But it appears that more than "Blue Cities" or states and minority urban youth (MUY) will be left hungry and in distress.

    Maybe we can figure out what we can do to help ease this distress; build safe, resilient communities; and reduce tribalism and fear of "others".

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 12:29pm

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    We are hobbling at you waving our canes, RUN!

    Just think All those disabled and elderly SNAP recipients in Iowa and Appalachia running amuck, hobbling after you, shaking a handful of expired coupons.  Now there’s a threat assessment.   I’m one of them.  I get sixteen dollars of SNAP benefits a month because I’m elderly and rely on Social Security.  And there’s millions more out here in the country.  My farm’s not bringing in nothing.  Rain rain and blight three years running. I spend my 16  on milk and butter to put on the potatoes, corn and eggs I raise.   People always think of the urban poor when they think of food stamps. I think far more in the way of benefits goes to rural poverty which is deep, wide and getting more desperate

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 12:49pm

    Sparky1

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    Awesome post,Sabemenos...

    ...with great "visuals" that made me laugh. 🙂

    Seriously though, your point is well-taken. Thank you! Please hang-in there and keep posting. I'm glad you're part of our PP community.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 12:53pm

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    Angi

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    Texas Bullion Depository?

    I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge or experience with TBD - apparently it is available to US citizens. Would it be a good alternative? Pros and Cons?

    https://www.texasbulliondepository.gov/faqs

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 1:03pm

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    Correction Adam

    As of March of this year there are no reserve requirements.

     

    Reserve Requirements

    As announced on March 15, 2020, the Board reduced reserve requirement ratios to zero percent effective March 26, 2020.  This action eliminated reserve requirements for all depository institutions.

    For those of you who don't know what that means; simply stated duly licensed thieves can now lend money they don't have. I repeat they can lend money they don't have.

    How is anyone ever going to overthrow, change, fold ,spindle, or mutilate a system as ingenious as that. Midas was a rank amateur by comparison.

    "You are certainly right. There is much to be earned from a country which has no money. But you have to take risks"

    Letter from James Rothschild to Nathan Rothschild 1818

    I think they have just about eliminated the risk part

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/reservereq.htm

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 1:07pm

    Angi

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    5G Threat - TG is right!

    Here's a link to an upcoming global 5G Protest event in the next few days!

    Stop 5G International

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 1:49pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Hladini The Vishnu Puranas

    First off please spell His name correctly. For me it is like dragging fingernails across a chalk board. It is Gandhi. In Hindi the H is sounded so the end of his name sounds like HE. It is an easy way to remember. It's like people pronouncing Iran I RAN. It is actually ERON or to be more precise E RUN. But that is another subject for another day.

    As you are well aware Brahma is just one aspect of the triune nature of god. The other 2 are Shiva and Vishnu. They are the Creator, Destroyer and Preserver respectively. Also as you are well aware we are now in the Kali Yuga which is the darkest of the 4 ages.

    Kali Yuga : the final age. It is the age of darkness and ignorance. People stop following dharma, and lack virtue. They become slaves to their passions and are barely as powerful as their earliest ancestors in the Satya Yuga. Society falls into disuse and people become liars and hypocrites. Knowledge is lost and scriptures are diminished. Humans eat forbidden and dirty food. The environment is polluted, water and food become scarce. Wealth is heavily diminished. Families become non-existent There is 1 quarter virtue, and 3 quarter sins. Normal human stature is 3.5 cubits (5 ft, 3 inches). Average human lifespan is 100 years.

    The other three ages are the Satya, Golden Age, Treta, and Dvapara. We have quite a ways to go before we get to the Satya Yuga,

    A little personal anecdote; I had a good friend in India (since passed on) and we would spend a great deal of time together. We talked about many different subjects. The conversation would invariably turn to current events and how screwed up the worl was. We would then wring our hands and shrug and say "Kaikaroo , what to do it is the Kali Yuga" One day he stopped me in my tracks when he said " yes it is the Kali Yuga but you can make the greatest spiritual progress in the shortest time during this age" Wow you could have knocked me over with a feather. Reason being is there is not much growth when things are hunky dory. It is in the darkest times when you have to dig deep and find the truth that you awaken spiritually.

    http://thewardenpost.net/kali-yuga-according-vishnu-purana/

    So I liked the way you wrapped up your post.

    "

    What people should be really worried about is that final solo flight.  Where/what is the next destination?  What is the most  dangerous fear?

    Hare Krsna, over and out"

    Hare Ram

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 6:23pm

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    Idea

    Get 10 million people to give $3/mo to a climate PAC.  One of the social media giants could do it by having a profile picture movement.  This (global) group of people could easily steer US policy, and cause the reform of campaign finance at the same time.  You would only need 10,000 people to sign up in order to poach the top lobbyists from BP and Exxon - that would get some attention.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 7:03pm

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    Here is a possible event to participate in

    Announcing #ExposeBillGates Global Day of Action on June 13, 2020

    For those who believe Gates is part of the problem, and want to try to do something about it.

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  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 11:28pm

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    "The citizens should complain.... often......." (WTF?!!!!)

    Hladini, Thatchmo, Torii and others who want to "write to your congressman."

    WTF?

    I really like you guys, I read your keyboarding squirts and would like to meet you some day.  But, please get a grip on yourselves.  Its game over for team America.  The Empire is F*ed up beyond all recognition and has been, and now overtly is falling.  China will take over (for a while) and likely will even invade Taiwan this Fall (for a couple years or so) and America will be seen as a dead empire.  The dark ages are here and will persist for many many years and greatly outlive everyone alive today. You want to rosin up the bow of Nero while Rome burns?  Maybe help do interior decorations on the Titanic while it slowly sinks?  Those growing water stains on the wall can be hidden with the right effort.  You want to write a freaking letter to a puppet of an oligarch who is setting up a feudal society?

    Please consider saving yourself and starting or joining a resilient community far from the machinations of empire and fascism that has engulfed the land.  You have limited resources and time.  We need you guys to help build isolated resilient communities that can keep the best of human spirit alive during these new dark ages.

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 12:44am

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    'bout that crystal ball....

    Heh, heh.  Pretty good Mots!  There's only one thing- no one can predict the future.  Though I don't necessarily disagree with your comments,  I consider petitioning the goverment for redress as honoring a bunch of old white guys (OMG, some were slaveholders!  There, got that out of the way....) who were much smarter than I, and part of a diversified portfolio of actions worthy of my time and effort, as a Citizen.  Of course, doing so also gives me a license to complain.....Regarding your second paragraph of suggestions: I believe I'm already there, more-or-less....Aloha, Steve

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 5:37am

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    Gates

    I don't understand the anti-vaccine crowd who think Bill Gates is this super-villian trying to sterilize women in Africa.

    In reality, he is trying to reduce infant and child mortality which will lead to women having fewer children on average (by choice).

    CHRIS, can you please do an Off the Cuff trying to dispel some of the rumors and fake news about Vaccines?

     

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 8:16am

    Mike from Jersey

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    @torii

    Torli,

    About voting, and I say this will all due respect, it won't help.

    I am almost 70 years old. Voting has changed few things for the better in my lifetime. And, overall, the country has actually gotten worse, much worse.

    When I was a kid, no American would support torture. The memory of Nazi Germany was fresh in people's minds. Torture was anathema. Now politicians (and citizens) openly advocate it. George Bush admitted authorizing it in a book he wrote. Torture is punishable by 80 years in prison under Federal Law. But a President admits he did it and literally states that he would do it again. Nothing happens to him. Nothing at all.

    When I was a kid a family could be supported by one person and the whole family would still have plenty of time to spend with one another. Now, both parents have to work and, often, at least one of them has to have a part time job on top of that. Despite that, they are often still broke. Children are pressured to get into endless "activities" which turn their parents into overworked chauffeurs. Kids are forced into so much homework that I know of exhausted parents literally breaking down in tears trying to keep up with helping their kids.

    When I was a kid, yes, America attacked other countries. And, yes, they supported petty dictators so that foreign countries could be looted. But they did not deliberately destroy the state structures in multiple countries apparently as part of a conscious plan to allow multinational corporations to control resources, while leaving populations homeless and completely destitute. That is what is going on now.

    When I was a kid you could get an affordable college education and it meant something in terms of getting a good job. That is a thing of the past.

    When I was a kid you could afford healthcare - even without health insurance. That is no longer the case - even with health insurance. We are the only developed country in the world where "getting ill" is a major cause of personal bankruptcy. And what type of healthcare do we get for all that money? Medical or hospital malpractice is now the third leading cause of death in the country - just after heart disease and cancer.

    When I was a kid the American infrastructure was the best in the world. Now it is falling down around us.

    I could go on and on.

    All my lifetime Americans could vote. What did it get them?

    It is generally conceded that one election after another was about (and is still about) choosing the "lesser of two evils." The results that I have talked about above is, in part, the direct result of a broken political system. It is a system which forces citizens to choose between two candidates, both of whom voters often find to be despicable.

    But the more important point is this.

    Who are you going to vote for?

    Joe Biden? A corporatist aristocrat who has supported one war after another along with supporting attacks on civil liberties and, importantly, who promised his big donors that "there won't be much change," if he gets elected.

    And what about the other major party candidate, Donald Trump? Trump is a totally clueless buffoon who doesn't seem to have the slightest understanding of the world in which we all live.

    Which, of those two, is the lesser of the two evils?

    You tell me.

    Voting will not lead to change.

    I don't know what will, but voting won't. It will accomplish little, if anything.

    And that is the dilemma facing us.

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 10:43am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Mike from Joisey

    Hi Mike, good post except the part about Amerika attacking other countries.

    Smedley Butler.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0&t=93s

    Then there is the Iran Coup in 1953 orchestrated by the British and CIA on behalf of what was then BP.

    I do agree with your point voting is a waste of time. As George Carlin says.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk&t=65s 

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 11:42am

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    Commitees of Vigilance

    Yes, be careful what you wish for!  Some thoughts regarding the article from Americanpartizen:  Commitees of Vigilance are definately a double-edged sword.  A group of concerned citizens stepping up to "git 'er done"- sounds good.  Judge, jury, and executioner all rolled up in an anonymous package- scary, no?  In watching the very disturbing vids of the looting in Santa Monica, I think I saw what appeared to be a goodly number of young people there to watch history.  Maybe not looting, just wanting to be where the excitement and action was, as young folks have a want to do.  I was young and stupid once.  Fortunately for me, it wasn't a death sentence.  I'd have more respect for the "Suburban Vigilance Squad" (?) if they got together with a larger number of locals to march down the street in said town with bullhorns an appropriate gear, to order the ne'er-do-wells to leave town.  Picking off fellow citizens without due process from afar- "justifiable terrorism"?  I have a brick-and-mortar business so I've thought about looting (pretty unlikely here, I think...) and what my response might be if it visited my business.  Very tough decision.  Shooting one or two looters during a disaster event might be one thing, shooting dozens or more during "protests"- bad optics.  The horrors of Kent State come to mind....And of course, the vigilanties would have to re-barrel their rifles, what, with ballistic fingerprinting, if the authorities come aknockin'....Aloha, Steve

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 11:54am

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    voting

    Mike, you may be right.  But in the time it took you to write your post, you could have sent a message expressing yourself to all your "representatives".  Which would be the greater waste of time, telling us all how hopeless it is, or demanding accountability from your employees?  I guess I feel the the body politic of the USA still has good bones, though the flesh and blood has become putrid and corrupted.  Free country though- we all, hopefully, do what we feel is best.  Aloha, Steve.

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 1:53pm

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    Well Done, Sister Suffragette!

    Hi, Mike.

    I’m happy to respond to your thoughtful comments today, June 4th, a century and one year after the U.S. Congress approved the 19th Amendment and sent it to the states (ratified in 1920). The right to vote mattered enough to American women that they marched and acted up for over 70 years to win the privilege.

    Before women won the vote, laws prohibited them from owning property, entering into contracts, serving on juries, earning fair wages, controlling their reproductive destiny, and wielding economic/political power. The vote fundamentally improved women’s lives and shaped modern America. So, yeah, I think it’s an effective tool.

    But voting is like a muscle; it has to be flexed and strengthened in use to be powerful. Only 60% of eligible voters turned out for the national elections in 2016, only 50% for the mid-terms in 2018. (Lowest presidential turnout ever: 6.3% in 1792.)

    Perhaps we should scrap our broken electoral system and adopt the Australian model of compulsory preferential voting. Citizens 1) are required by law to vote, 2) submit their ballots by mail, and 3) rank multiple candidates in order of preference. They love it because it tends to minimize the wingnuts at each extreme of the ideological spectrum, although ScoMo is no prize. Do you think Americans would accept that idea?

    I agree with you that our country has shifted since you and I were children. But I would posit that the America of our youth was not quite the Pleasantville you recall. You could get an affordable college education, Mike, but minority kids from horrible segregated schools could not. Perhaps your father could support your family on one income, but even in 1960, 25% of all American households had to earn dual incomes because exhausted workers had few protections against discrimination. We didn’t have Nazi torture, but we had lynching and voter suppression (still have the latter in many states). The progress we made on these issues occurred because voters elected people willing to sign landmark legislation such as the Civil Rights Act (1964 and 1991) and the Equal Pay Act. We voted for candidates willing to establish the Environmental Protection Agency and OSHA and the CDC. (And, by the way, the U.S. did, in fact, deliberately invade countries to facilitate corporate interests: e.g., Guatemala 1954.)

    I’m concerned that corporate consolidation and dominance over every aspect of our lives now minimizes the power and autonomy of our votes. How do I hurl one vote against a greedy multi-national with unfettered access to money and people in office? How does one voice counter the multitude of poorly-vetted social media/communications outlets—on both sides of the political aisle—that assail us constantly and keep us angry and afraid? Add Citizens United’s open sewer of black cash buoying the most autocratic candidates in each campaign (I’m looking at you, Thom Tillis!) and you may legitimately wonder if individuals still have any leverage.

    We don’t alone. I think we do together. Like the suffragettes marching in their big hats and bustles. Even if it takes another 70 years.

    So to answer your key question: Who gets my vote?

    Anyone but Trump. Anyone. Any multi-celled, mildly sentient being is the lesser of two evils. The first priority in November is to remove him. I wish for the second straight election that the opposition had worked harder to choose a more credible candidate. Much will hinge on Biden’s veep nominee. But even if he selects a Labrador with a Frisbee, he is still the less-worse-not-great-oh-crap option. The second priority is to flip the Senate. What are the odds?

    More importantly, I am going to focus on supporting effective local and state candidates—judges, sheriffs, mayors, state reps—who make a difference in the quality of life in my community. I plan to volunteer to help folks get to the polls so every voice can be heard, despite North Carolina’s notoriously unconstitutional gerrymandered districts.

    Now here are a few questions for you, Mike (and others):

    Who do you think was the last major party candidate who was not evil or inept? Anyone in our lifetime?

    Why do you think honorable people choose not to run for national office, only the ones you describe as “despicable”?

    Best wishes.

     

     

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 1:57pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    @Mohammed Mast

    Mohammed Mast,

    Yes. Perhaps I was being a little gentle. Our foreign policy has been both inept and brutal for a long, long time.

    But I do believe that our current foreign policy is the worst it has ever been.

    We invade country after country, start "color revolutions" to overthrow elected leaders, sanction anyone who doesn't obey our orders, seize the assets of anyone we choose and blockade nations for no other reason than they insist on their sovereignty.

    Our foreign policy has been brutal for a long, long time. But I think that it now approaches a level of reckless disregard of other nations that exceeds anything in the past.

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 3:15pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    @torii

    In response to your questions:

    Who do you think was the last major party candidate who was not evil or inept? Anyone in our lifetime?

    Possibly John Kennedy. You know what happened to him. I liked Jimmie Carter as a person but he was not a leader and his appointment of Zbigniew Brzezinski as Secretary of State was a staggering blunder for which we are still paying the price.  The last six, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush (the  lesser), Obama and Trump have all been horrible. Especially Obama, he  was the one who finally destroyed any remaining faith that the system could be changed by voting.

    Why do you think honorable people choose not to run for national office, only the ones you describe as “despicable”?

    Honorable people do try to run. I was very disappointed that Tulsi Gabbard endorsed Joe Biden, but I think that she was basically a good person with character and integrity. You saw what happened to her. The media marginalized her and every time she qualified for the debates the DNC changed the rules. Contrast her case with how Bloomberg was treated. Bloomberg was a "deep stater." Bloomberg pays money, he gets in the debate.

    Gabbard was sidelined by the media and the DNC since she was not an "approved candidate."  A similar thing happened with Bernie Sanders in the last election. In fact, when the DNC was sued by Sanders supporters after the 2016 election, the Democratic Party took the position that the Democratic Party was a private organization and did not have to play fair. Therefore, they argued, if the DNC unfairly tilted the election to Clinton, it was their right to do so as a private organization. They literally took that position in open court. And the judge agreed.

    I, myself, was personally involved as an attorney in litigation against the Republican Party. The Republican Party took the exact same position. They are a private organization and don't have to play fair.  Same result.

    That is why voting (though not totally useless) will not bring about major change. It is controlled by private organizations which are beholden to big money.

    By the way, the civil rights acts in the sixties that you mention were not enacted due to voting. The movement toward that act had been started in the 1930's. More and more people in positions of power wanted to end segregation. For instance, the movement was advanced by people like Branch Rickey who made Jackie Robinson the first black player in major league baseball. The same thing was happening in the entertainment industry. That was private industry, but the elite in the public sector were involved as well. The first major legal change in the modern era was the decision in Brown v. Board of Education (made by unelected judges) ending school segregation in the 1950's.

    The elites in America simply wanted that change. Had they not wanted it, it might very well not have happened, absent serious bloodshed.

    Now, compare that to things that the American people really want right now but which the elites do not want to have happen. For instance, ninety seven per cent of all Americans want genetically altered foods to be labelled. Look at that number - 97 per cent. It is a huge overwhelming majority. On the other hand, the elites do not want it because it could harm sales of genetically engineered food.

    The last time I checked (a few years ago), no bill had ever been  offered in Congress to mandate labeling of genetically engineered foods. The only bill ever offered was to make it illegal for States to require labeling of genetically engineered food.

    I'll give you another example. A group of citizens were given the public platforms of the Green Party, the Democratic Party and the Republican Party - without being advised as to the identity of who was behind each of the platforms. Overwhelmingly, the Green Party Platform was accepted as the most popular among Americans.

    How is it that such a party gets less than one per cent of the "vote." How is it that Americans can overwhelming want genetically modified food to be labeled and it doesn't happen.

    It is because the whole thing is rigged through the media, through political party control, money, through election laws and the like. And that is the point. You can vote all you want but the changes you want will not happen unless the elite want them to happen.

    I'll give you another example. A fairly recent Princeton/ Northwestern University study literally found zero correlation between the wants of the average American voter and laws enacted by Congress. The correlation was literally zero.

    On the other hand, they found a statistically significant correlation between the desires of those in the upper income brackets and bills introduced into Congress.

    That is what voting will get for you.

    You get nothing other than what your "betters" decide is best for you.

    We don't have a democracy, we have the simulation of a democracy.

     

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 4:01pm

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    Too Much Information

    Torii - encouraging people to vote is in the spirit of the suggestions that Adam was looking for in this thread.  However we do not need to know who you will vote for and why.  Politics is one of the site's  'Off-Limit Topics'.

    ... Who gets my vote?
    Anyone but Trump. Anyone. Any multi-celled, mildly sentient being is the lesser of two evils. The first priority in November is to remove him. I wish for the second straight election that the opposition had worked harder to choose a more credible candidate. Much will hinge on Biden’s veep nominee. But even if he selects a Labrador with a Frisbee, he is still the less-worse-not-great-oh-crap option. The second priority is to flip the Senate....."

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 4:38pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Writing to representatives

    @Thatchmo,

    Sending letter to "representatives" is a complete waste of time.

    Posting on a bulletin board gets ideas out in the open.

    Some people here will post ideas and those ideas might help me convince others (friends, family and associates) of things that need to be changed. Maybe some of the ideas that I, myself, post will help others to convince their friends, family and associates of things that must be changed. Exchanges like this can be catalysts for action.

    By the way, I recently got an email from my "representative" about a bill he was pushing to have enacted. It was something popular in the media and I guess that he thought his telling me about it, would encourage me to vote for him.

    I wrote back with a response which - if typewritten - would have filled several pages. I talked about a recent international trip that I had taken. I went into great detail about the things I had seen and experienced since it related to the legislation he was seeking to have passed. This information specifically went into my contacts with people in America and abroad. It detailed how foreign governments were dealing with the coronavirus. I compared it to how the United States was dealing with coronavirus.

    I went into such great detail since I felt that (although his bill might be popular), it was mistaken. I gave him very specific reasons explaining why I believed that his bill was a mistake. It took a lot of work on my part and a lot of time.

    I never got a reply back.

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 5:18pm

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    Wet Stool, Dry Stool

    Mike From Jersey, Very well said.

    I think I've decided not to vote this year.  There is Karma involved in everything little thing we do.  I think I should sit this one out.

    Instead, I'm going to set up a little protest booth on election day, and maybe even during some of the early voting days too.

    Here are some sign idea's I've been thinking of:

    1.  Wet Stool - Dry Stool

    2.  Will No Longer Hold Nose to Vote

    3.  Do you know the definition of insanity?

    4.  Psst, it's a Chimera....

    Anyone got any sound bites to add to this list?

    I'll bring cookies to hand out, maybe hand out  some Bhagavad Gitas, bring my japa beads, catch some rays, and try to discourage people from voting.

    PS:  I see no one likes my post.  Well, I thought of another sign slogan:  Groper I and Groper II.

     

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 7:00pm

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    Torii etal

    I suggest reading Howard Zinn's "People's History". It is quite an enlightening experience. The history taught in schools is complete and utter nonsense.

    As for the aforementioned Civil Rights laws I had to chuckle at that. We have been going through days of rioting and protest because a black man was murdered by a white cop. Yeah there are no signs "colored bathroom" but I don't think really much has changed due to that legislation. I have a black friend who told me he was still waiting to get his 40 acres and a mule.

    People vote for personalities who are nothing more than employees of corporate Amerika. Obomba got more money from Wall St. than any candidate in history. There was not one prosecution of any perps for the 08 meltdown.

    If voting changed anything it would be illegal. But if it brings you some sort of psychological comfort, go for it.

    This is Amerika where all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others. Or as George Carlin would say " It's a big club and you aint in it.

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 7:54pm

    Hladini

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    The Reasons I write and complain

    Hey there Motts, how's the bay?

    I write the letters because the letter is counted as a lot more than just one letter.  Our authorities have a method of tabulating public opinion from letters, phone calls, emails, etc.  So for every letter or complaint I lodge, it counts for 1000's.   It's leveraged.

    Another reason I write these letters is to vent.  I'm too old and too busy to go out with a sign and march.

    I  also feel it's my civic duty.  TPTB need to hear from us, frequently.

    My mom was my inspiration.  Remember when Bush, Jr. was in the ME for press conference with a mission accomplished sort of act, and somebody in the audience threw shoes at him?  Well, my mom ( a life long Republican) mailed former President Bush a pair of shoes after that incident.  She also had the White Houses on speed dial.

    I am preparing!  We have banana trees, peach trees, apple trees, pomegranite trees, pear trees, and persimmon trees - all producing.  We are growing, again, maybe (15) 60 ft rows of annuals, and we have a little nursery started.  We are a burgeoning community here with mostly like minded people, all on the same page about growing food.   We have a modest sponsor.

    Still working on the ham radio and getting walkie talkies.

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 10:00pm

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    A Few Thoughts

    Live Up To Ideals This Country (USA) Was Founded On

    Imperfect people forming an imperfect union did not actually start out as equitably as we imagine. The idea that all men are created equal only applied to white men with property. There was a racial contract built into the fabric of this society, where everything is ok if white people and black/brown people stay in their own lanes. But we saw in 2008 and 2012 that there is a majority in this country who are willing to rip up that contract. And in the protests in recent weeks, we see that even despite the risk of death during a pandemic, that majority still exists.

    What would it look like to actually live up to the ideas espoused by our founding fathers? Especially now that we have technology that they couldn't have dreamed of. With the internet and open source software (transparent and not hackable) would they even have set up this democracy as a representative one? What would they think of a direct democracy, one person, one vote? In this category I would also include some of the things others have mentioned, like term limits, no revolving doors to lobbying industries, federally financed elections (based on ideas and not on access to money).

    Regenerative Instead of Extractive Economy

    At the very least, reverting back to a gold standard where it's no longer possible to drive our economic system, and the ecological systems that support it, off a cliff might be a good start. However, the gold standard still requires the extraction of ore from the planet at a time when every living tree and plant is actually the means of production of all life. With climate change, environmental devastation will need to stop in all forms. As I've mentioned in other posts, a paradigm shift is needed to base economy on regeneration instead of extraction. This has to do with re-imagining how to orient an economy around the equitable distribution of resources (amidst a climate crisis, for human survival) as opposed to the accumulation of capital. It also has to do with possibly using oxygen production or carbon sequestration as the thing of "real value" behind the currency. Big leap, I realize, but there are a lot of big, brilliant minds that read this site. Might not be as big a leap as we think.

    If you want to suggest people living debt-free as a plank in a platform anywhere beyond this site, you will need to include something about all those houses that are being foreclosed on and are sitting vacant (I've read statistics that there are more vacant houses than there are homeless people in the US), that they could be distributed, to indigenous people, to black people, to poor people. If those mortgages need to be wiped off the books at some point anyway, just give them away to people who have been systematically blocked from achieving "success" within this system. It's skin off the nose of the mega billionaires. Not yours or mine. The bullsh*t about "not earning" it, when the mega billionaires are literally handed trillions of dollars so they can continue to take away basic living necessities from regular people will need to be reversed at some point. The homes exist. The people exist. It's a waste of resources for them to go unused.

    Exposing the Injustice of the System vs Exposing the Villains

    There are certainly individuals who disproportionately benefit from the injustice built into this system and who will need to relinquish the astonishingly incomprehensible quantities of resources that no one individual or family could ever actually use. There is a trap, though, that is waiting as soon as individuals are called out, in so far as the centuries-old safety valve that the elites have used time and again to escape accountability, which is to hang the Jews out to dry. Once we are in the territory of the "Jewish Conspiracy" to rule the world, we have already lost the real traction that will be needed to create meaningful change. Keeping the focus on the system, the injustices within it, and the real need for another system that at the very least doesn't steal wealth from regular people via inflation, or at best, as I said above, is set up in a way to regenerate instead of extract, may be key to avoiding the trap that has derailed attempts at systemic change for millennia. Regular people need concrete information, like you provide in the Crash Course, and concrete actions that will actually do something. If you don't have any money in the bank, it doesn't matter much which bank you use. However, those who are in the middle and upper classes, could do their part in shifting deposits away from the TBTF banks as you suggest, but there needs to be a consciousness in doing it that shows an allegiance with those who do not have the resources needed to take that kind of step, so it doesn't come off as a self-serving or tone deaf academic exercise. I agree with those that have suggested that shaming the elites may not elicit the change of heart we might want. But as the reality of climate change dawns more broadly, the pressure that comes with the realization that no one escapes it might.

    Being Allies

    As I have said in previous posts that the lenses we use to understand the world, as brilliant and useful as they may be, may also still have limits of understanding that we may not yet be fully aware of. Expanding our lenses, our worldview, and offering our support to initiatives and movements already in motion, like the Poor People's Campaign (which is based on the work of MLK Jr.) may be the fastest way to get the biggest "bang for our buck" so to speak. On June 20th the PPC will be hosting a mass virtual march on Washington- was supposed to be live, but is now going to be digital. I encourage people to check it out. Allies with money are needed to move the demands for justice with regards to our economy forward. Working from the ground up, building a grassroots movement, by and for the people who are affected most by the collapse of this system, is by far the best way to move forward with integrity. Just like the factory workers often know right away what the best approach would be to improve production, if anyone would ever ask them, and the managers can make asinine decisions because they aren't the ones doing the work, similarly, actually listening to the people who are being completely decimated by this system what needs to change, may also be the fastest route to improving the living conditions of regular people across the board. So it's great we are putting our minds in the directions of what we would demand, and at the same time, we must keep an eye out for where our demands not only align with but can amplify the demands that others are also making. The big disconnect that I see, with one foot in the PP world and one foot in the social justice world, is that there remains a widespread lack of understanding about how the money system itself is siphoning resources from the bottom to the top, and what concrete changes would be needed in order to reverse that dynamic. Bridge that divide and we might be on to something.

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  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 10:56pm

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    Well Mike, you do make some possibly convincing arguments why not to vote, or write letters.  I've never received any response other than a canned "thanks for your input, please see my website!" from my congress critters as well.  But I expect that.  As mentioned above, voting to influence local politcs has a bigger payback I think.

    So I guess the more pressing question was posed by Adam:  What is "our" Platform?  What do we stand FOR?  And how can we practically implement that Platform?  Who will be our Champion?   Aloha, Steve.

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  • Fri, Jun 05, 2020 - 5:17am

    Mike from Jersey

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    @thatchmo

    @thatchmo,

    As your question, "what is our platform?"

    I literally don't know. That is why I wrote above, that I loved the topic of Adam's article.

    I, myself, do the following:

    a) I live a lifestyle disconnected from the consumer culture.

    b) I try to be a self sufficient as possible. I am in a constant state of self education as to just about anything and everything including health, minor construction, meditation, physical fitness, self defense and other things.

    c) I give to charities to help people crushed by the system, such as the homeless.

    d) I try (not always successfully) to be kind in all my dealings with others.

    e) On the other hand I vigorously resist any attempt to advance military agendas. I actually do write to "representatives" to vehemently oppose wars and militarism of any kind, I refuse to support businesses or institutions which support or even attempt to glorify militarism, I try to gently disabuse friends and acquaintances of the "supposed justifications" for America's endless wars. I spend a lot of time researching the truth behind our wars so that I can bring home to people the reality of what we are doing in the world and the real suffering we are causing.

    That is far from enough. That is one of the reasons I post and read these bulletin boards. I am looking for answers.

     

     

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  • Fri, Jun 05, 2020 - 8:31am

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    Silence

    Yep, I tiptoed over the line, but only to answer Mike’s specific question and to ease his distress about our appalling choices in November, which, you’ll note, he characterized with far greater personal bias and specificity than I did. I did not seek to comment “from a partisan standpoint or otherwise...pushing an agenda,” in accordance with Chris’s admirable forum guidelines. I’m just trying to save America, one vote at a time.

    But since you’ve taken the bait by throwing the rules at me, let us politely observe that no one on this thread, neither moderators nor members, has offered constructive criticism of incendiary comments that not only encourage violence but that even offer explicit tactical procedures on becoming vigilante snipers. These comments would seem to violate Chris’s rules about “openly advocating breaking the law” and “intolerance of any social/demographic/cultural group.”

    The silence speaks volumes.

    Best wishes.

     

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  • Fri, Jun 05, 2020 - 8:45am

    Mike from Jersey

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    @Torii

    For my part, I don't think you stepped over the line.

    You advocated voting for any life form other than Donald Trump.

    I read over the posting guidelines that doesn't seem to violate any of them.

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  • Fri, Jun 05, 2020 - 8:51am

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    Do We Expect The Police To Do Too Much

    Alex S. Vitale argues we have turned too many things into a policing problem which are not. I suspect that the next phase of the protests are going to be about police budgets.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/06/03/457251670/how-much-do-we-need-the-police?

    Well, I think that one of the myths we have about policing is that it is politically neutral, and that it is always here to sort of create order in a way that benefits everyone. But the reality is that America's social order has never been entirely equitable. We have a long history of exploitation of the Indigenous population, of African Americans through slavery, Jim Crow and today.

    And while we're not using police to manage slavery or colonialism today, we are using police to manage the problems that our very unequal system has produced. We're invested in this kind of austerity politics that says the government can't afford to really do anything to lift people up. We have to put all our resources into subsidizing the already most successful parts of the economy. But those parts of the economy are producing this huge group of people who are homeless, unemployed, have untreated mental health and substance abuse problems. And then we ask the police to put a lid on those problems — to manage them so they don't interfere with the "order" that we're supposedly all benefiting from."

     

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  • Fri, Jun 05, 2020 - 9:15am

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    Voting

    Voting won't lead to change, so long as the candidates are two sides of the same coin.  Campaign finance rules which equate money and speech are to blame.  Until that structure breaks down, there will be no change (whether you vote or not).  The solution is to make it unprofitable for corporations to lobby.  We need to use social media (profile picture badges) to create a global 'team' of people who are donating $3/mo to a PAC supporting a popular cause (criminal justice reform, climate change, etc...).  This PAC will grow quickly, poach the top lobbyists from BP, and grow even more.  Eventually, the people will crowd out corporations and the scales will be tipped.  All corporate lobbying stops, America is restored, and social media can become the unifying force for good that we all know it CAN be if wielded correctly.

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  • Fri, Jun 05, 2020 - 10:34am

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    A bit of inspiration for those who think one person cannot make a difference

    I am reminded in these challenging times, when it seems impossible to imagine that any one person can make a difference, of a quote about my personal hero, Terry Fox. It was from an article in Sept 2016, honouring the 35th anniversary of Terry's tragic, untimely death. The nurse who had been his closest caregiver, and who had the unenviable task of announcing to the world that Terry had died, had this to say:

    "... To me it's about the awesome power of one. After Terry I could never again say 'well, I can't do anything about that because I'm only one person.' He was only one person. Look at what he's done. Look at the legacy he's left us."

    In April 2020 the Terry Fox Foundation announced that over 800 million dollars has now been raised for cancer research. It all started with one young man who made a decision to dedicate himself to a cause he felt very strongly about, and to keep going in spite of all of the naysayers and people who called him crazy.

    I believe each of us has within us the awesome power of one. Each of us is capable of contributing in some way to make this world a better place. Not all of us will leave enduring legacies. That does not matter. All that matters is that we try.

    Jan

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  • Fri, Jun 05, 2020 - 10:36am

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    And more inspiration here...

    For further reflection, I believe today is the anniversary of the assassination of Robert Kennedy. He too made reference to the power of one albeit in a different way:

    “Few have the greatness to bend history itself, but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation. … It is from numberless acts of courage and belief such as these that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.”

    Source

    Jan

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  • Fri, Jun 05, 2020 - 11:15am

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    Take it Offline Please

    That’s fine that you and Mike are interested in politics and the upcoming election in your country, and it’s great to have opinions on these things. But can you kindly keep political discussions out of the main threads? Maybe you can PM each other or chat on the phone?

    Changing the subject to point fingers at other comments that you find objectionable doesn’t alter the idea of avoiding Off-Limits topics in yours.

    Also, Adam’s post doesn’t concern the upcoming U.S. election, so it would be nice to try to keep the suggestions on track – as you did initially (and you made a great point, in my opinion).

    Edit - I should add that I took Mike's question to be a rhetorical one, not one that required a specific answer.....

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  • Fri, Jun 05, 2020 - 11:45am

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    Whats your Platform

    What if the Model is not so bad, but rather a hidden force within the model is rendering it inefficient?

    It seems as if our socio-economic construct is persuaded by a hidden monopolistic entity (White Supremacy) that engages in predatory socio economic practices.

    White privilege is not the model, its the ruling forces driving the model. I agree that pointing it out doesn't solve anything, the question is how to effectively break it apart and create socio-economic antitrust laws and oversight that keep it from re-emerging, when those that are creating the bills don't even recognize the subliminal forces to which they have been socialized.

    Complicated topic, but certainly feasible if we calmly and diligently work our way through the uncomfortable reality.

     

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  • Fri, Jun 05, 2020 - 1:44pm

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    Who are we fooling? ourselves?

    There will be no righteous revolution.  We can't even manage to vote and have the correct out-come.   There is only one way things will ever get better, and that is with violence. I don't advocate it.  But I am under no delusion, that there is another option.  Things will not change in the country. they will continue.  With greater and greater debt, longer work hours,  more and more control, less and less health and healthcare, more toxic and fake foods.    Not until people start dying in such quantity - one or two in every family, from our western ways,  nothing will change - we have a long way to go.   When all the homes, real estate, cars and everything , even food, we have has been devalued to a life-time subscription payment for each,  we still won't wake up.    All the guns but no one wants to use them.    Its like the US military,  only difference is, the US government calls the shots because of its arms - the US people call nothing with all their arms - police wont give a second thought to kill you.. With no justification.. AND make no mistake the FEDs are much worse than the local police by about 100 fold.  Only, the feds have a license to murder without any accountability, state police still have to answer to society.

    When it comes to the fed, they own every bit of you , there is no freedom.  They want you and you say the wrong things , they will find no reason to jail you.  They can cease your assets , bank accounts, property, with no warrant.   So, not paying taxes only puts you in jeopardy to continue to play along.  Not to buck the system.   When its gamed like this. the only answer is war against our federal government.   How does a government for a people and by the people go to war??

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  • Sat, Jun 06, 2020 - 1:08pm

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    Tonya McKinney

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    We are not the oppressed masses

    We are not oppressed in the USA! We have it amazingly great here and there is plenty of opportunity for all.   Yes,  we have a lot issues that need to be addressed, our biased media on the left and right, communist trying to overturn our democracy, anarchist trying to sow chaos, but there is no place better than ours in the whole world and we need to all do our part to protect this great nation.  I do love reading all your comments and honor your right to your opinions and am so glad you can express them freely here as I do mine and I do learn a lot from all of you. We have to protect this freedom!!!

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  • Sat, Jun 06, 2020 - 2:32pm

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    Well said Tonya

    I agree with you and especially the part about the community here. We have people with very differing ideologies, but the discourse is civil and opinions informed. I find myself thinking hard about opposing viewpoints.

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  • Sat, Jun 06, 2020 - 3:25pm

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    I’m Feeling Triggered

    I’m feeling triggered by the suggestion that looting and vandalism be moved into the suburbs.  It is probably not too realistic, but it has been suggested (one example here)

    The possibility that rioters and looters may work their way out of the city into the residential area of the suburbs (similar to where I live) is a game changer for me personally.

    Is it OK to throw Molotov cocktails at my home?

    No. It is not.

    Nobody has my permission to vandalize my home, burn it, or scare my family.  Nor to force us to flea in the night to seek someplace safer. No justification makes this OK with me.

    I would need to defend my home and neighborhood with force.   This of course, risks that I will become “a criminal.”   And a “redneck.”   Stresses are from all parts of the above scenario: looting, vandalism, fear of harm to family, needing to hurt another person, and having my official social status change to “criminal,” possibly being arrested. All of these are triggers.

    And I am probably not showing “enough tolerance and compassion,” making me also racist. Whew!.

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  • Sat, Jun 06, 2020 - 4:33pm

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    looting in the suburbs

    Here (suburban NY)I hear people are lining up to buy protection for their homes.  The demonstrations are peaceful and include politicians and police.  The looting is at the malls, coordinated groups breaking in when no one is there. Just a data point to consider. I think looting homes in suburbia means looting houses which is a much different process from city theft, more like Venezuela and more threat to life and limb.   Home invasions are a different animal in my mind.

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  • Sat, Jun 06, 2020 - 5:59pm

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    End the Fed

    Almost everything that is wrong with America today is made possible by the Federal Reserve Bank and fiat currency. If we can get rid of the Fed and return to honest money we will have a chance to restore stability and reason to our great nation.

    Learn why the Fed is dangerous to everything you hold dear. The writings of Ron Paul, Murray Rothbard and our own Chris Martenson contain everything you need.

    Prepare an 'elevator speech'. A carefully reasoned statement, which can be delivered in twenty seconds or less, explaining how the Fed is evil and what your transient audience can do to free themselves from it's clutches,

    Deliver your elevator speech to anyone who will stand still for twenty seconds. Be prepared to elaborate and discuss in detail because some, mainly young people in my experience, will challenge you and ask questions.

    Rinse and repeat every chance you get.

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  • Sat, Jun 06, 2020 - 7:59pm

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    Island girl

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    Some practical ideas for change

    TPTB in Congress have been there forever. Our legislators don't write our laws; interest groups write the bills, and the legislator s "sponsor' them. You are not at the table, So no bills being written represent you. Freshmen are quickly corrupted because if they don't go along with the caucus they are denied offices, committee seats, etc. This keeps the corrupt game going. So I have three simple suggestions. 1) Get a movement going behind term limits. Two terms in Congress period -  then Lifetime ban from lobbying and a mandatory a seven-year sabbatical from any government position before you can run again.  Yep,  go get a real day job for seven years and live under the laws, the banking system, etc etc that you set up for the rest of us.  2)   Congress and all administrative positions live under the laws they pass for the rest of us - no separate perks and things that don't apply to them. 3) Bills should have one topic only, stop all the add-ons that get slipped in to force people to vote for things that would never get public support in a stand-alone bill.

    My three cents.

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  • Sat, Jun 06, 2020 - 8:03pm

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    vlierheimer

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    DO. NOT. TAKE. THE. POLITICAL. BAIT!!!!!

    Adam and Chris, I beg you, stay the course.

    We have some pretty funny posters here with some pretty strong opinions. (A labrador and a frisbee better than Trump? Funny, if misguided.)

    I come here because I can focus on some practical, less consumer-oriented, more harmonious, less debt-ridden, better informed about the nefarious Fed deeds, material. I refer COUNTLESS friends here in the quest for the same information.

    I'm a college educated, early Xer who's a prolife, pro small business, pro this, and pro that, and sick to death of everyone lacerating each other in the public domain. PLEASE, I beg you, stay the course, and don't give into the temptation to kick a** and name names. Chris's go-to phrase of "A Pox on Both Their Houses!" And 'pro' things that make sense, are fair, and deal with the three E's will allow me to keep sending my friends on both sides of the aisle to PP.

    I treasure all the research and hard work, love all the guests and crowdsourcing, and because of that am delighted to pay my subscriber fee.

    I also treasure PP as an island of sanity. Please don't give in to calls to be partisan.

    Thanks!

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  • Sat, Jun 06, 2020 - 8:09pm

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    Our apolitical stance hasn't changed

    vlierheimer wrote:

    Please don't give in to calls to be partisan.

    Our apolitical stance hasn't changed one iota. What's causing you to worry it has?

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 5:52am

    Hladini

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    Take the Express Rocket

    Mohammed Mast, your friend is correct!  The fastest way  to exit the material world is to recite the Great Prayer for Deliverance, the Maha Mantra:  Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Hare Hare.

    The idea that God's names, forms, past times, anything associated with the Lord is the Lord Himself because the Lord is omniscient and all pervasive.  The following are two of my  favorite prayers, excerpts from the wonderful Brahma Samita, written by that mystical figure Brahma, who's 12 hour day equals 8,600,00 of our mortal years:

    I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is adept on playing on His flute, with blooming eyes like lotus petals, with head decked with peacock's feather, with the figure of beauty tinged with the hue of blue clouds and His unique loveliness charming millions of cupids.

    I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who's transcendental form is full of bliss, truth and substantiality and is thus full of the most dazzling splendor.  Each of the limbs of that transcendental figure possesses in Himself the full fledged functions of all the organs and eternally sees, maintains, and manifests the infinite universes, both spiritual and mundane.

    Yes, we are all Kaliyugites: short life spans, short memories, short tempered, short of patience, short of mercy, short of austerity.   Of the four pillars of human life:  mercy, austerity, cleanliness and truthfulness, Truth is the last leg standing in Kaliyuga................. and Truth is constantly under attack.

    So, how hard is it to chant Hare Krsna?  If God and His Names are non-different, then hearing the Transcendental sound vibration of the Lord's Holy Names means directly associating with God Himself.  Being in the presence of God completely purifies, so liberation is almost instantaneous when this puny life span is placed on the line of eternity.

    As Srila  Prabhupada says:  Chant and be Happy!

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 6:03am

    Hladini

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    Also Read Shock Doctrine

    Torri, another must read is "Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein.  It's well documented and an eye opener into the darkness.  The darkness is State/Government sanctioned heinous activities perpetrated against Main Streeters.

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 8:25am

    Hladini

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    Sand_Puppy Triggered

    Hello Sand_Puppy!  I'm sorry to hear you're getting triggered with threats of rioting coming to the suburbs.  I think we don't have to worry about that, too much, until  and unless there are real food shortages.

    Some heartening news: I've seen many a small town's citizens come out en masse, armed, lining streets with law enforcement to protect life and property from rioters.

    I'm in North Central Florida, a place where 90%+ of law abiding citizens have lots of guns and ammo and know how to use them.  There are pockets of criminal elements in even small little towns, but they're out-numbered around here.  A hungry mob is an entirely different story, though.

    There may be some attempt to attack suburbs, but my gut feeling tells me, this rhetoric is just that.  The time to worry is if there are food shortages.

    In the meanwhile, it's a good time to make friends with neighbors.

    Maybe check out the "Easy Cellar"  e-book.  I just purchased it and it includes a plan how  to make an invisible cellar for $400, 150 sq.ft.  It's a place to store food, and  people if looters/vandals/arsonists are about.

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 9:22am

    JWhite

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    Chant Hare Krsna and be Happy offline please

    Hladini – can you kindly PM Mohammed your Hare Krsna prayers instead of posting them in the main threads?

    Not everyone believes in God or religion, and those who do, may not share your beliefs and may have very strong beliefs of their own, which is probably why Religion is one of the site’s ‘off-limits’ topics.

    I also suggest that posting of religious prayers tends to stray away from the original article and Adam’s call for ‘Righteous Revolution’ suggestions.

    ‘The fastest way to exit the material world is to recite the Great Prayer for Deliverance, the Maha Mantra: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Hare Hare…...’

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 10:06am

    vlierheimer

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    Reply to Adam

    Whew, thanks, pal.

    Eh, nothing that you two have said. I can see partisan murmurings on various threads (choosing "a single-celled organism" over Trump, for example) and I get over- anxious about you two responding in kind. People are entitled to what they think, of course, but PP has been a simply marvelous resource for me to refer folks on both sides of the aisle, like I said.

    I think Chris in particular has done a marvelous job of displaying disdain and disgust for unfairness and insanity of bank policy and focussing on the support this insanity has garnered from both political parties.

    I also value your even handness, Adam, particularly when you interview the experts from New Harbor. I get a lot out of those interviews, and value them as an educational tool for my five adult kids, and anyone who will listen, basically.

    I can tell you too, that I have a couple of kids who are as far left as they can be, one child who is rabidly anti-political, and many friends who are sick of the whole mess. The MOMENT they detect any partisan belligerence from a thought leader, they'll drop you like a hot potato.

    What a terrible shame that would be. You guys do a great educational job with the Crash Course, and I've sent lots of copies of Prosper! around. What a shame that people would lose out on those valuable riches if you descended into public partisan laceration.

    Thanks for the response, Adam!

     

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 10:07am

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    nordicjack

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    There is a simple solution to revolution

    I am working on a solution that is very simple where we can abolish all the corrupt governors, corrupt systems, and gain immediate control of the government.  It would be instantaneous and lawful using what was given to us by our founding fathers.  We would gain immediate control of the military, the senate, congress, the fed ( though not a governmental institution), all banking, financial, insurance, medical and drug institutions.   I wish I could explain more about this simple solution, but the powers that be would do all to keep it from happening before it could take effect.   But I am working on it currently should be ready to roll in about 1 year,  Just need a way to disseminate the info quickly.   ( which would be lawful )     I know that it seems obvious that social media would work ( heck, remember the media is controlled.. )  So, there are big issues here.

    The hardest thing or perhaps impossible thing would be to cease the power of the states.  Which actually may be a good thing.

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 11:59am

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    The issue of Voting in person has been solved.

    There is no longer any objection by government to gathering in large crowds and yelling (which spreads Covid well past the 6’ marker). So it is obvious to anyone with a brain that voting in an orderly....social distanced....non-yelling environment is infinitely safer, and that the pretext of Covid danger cannot be used to change voting laws.

    This is a positive result of enduring these protests.

     

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 12:16pm

    Susan7

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    NordicJack

    What are you smoking?

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 12:20pm

    Susan7

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    HariKrishna?

    I thought that went out with the Beatles.

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 12:27pm

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    kunga

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    Keep Oregon Weird

    Portland, Oregon peaceful protest had an emotional support llama from a local farm show up to march.  (Slightly more benign than an emotional support honey badger.)  Llama was a big hit.  Everyone got a hug. We need more animals, their lives matter, too.

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 5:04pm

    Hladini

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    It's eternal

    Nope, we just went main stream and all got jobs.

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 7:53pm

    nordicjack

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    susan, not smoking anything

    But , I have drank the cool-aid for far too long.   I have actually spoken to several lawyers that have interests in writing policy.  They, think if I could implement what I hope and think is possible, Its a total instance game changer , with zero negative fall-out.  ( or very little - most that would be hurt are those used to making money via corruption )

    of final note:  Have you ever written to , or spoke with your state representatives.  Have you engaged in writing policy or bills or aided with research?

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 9:52pm

    JWhite

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    Replying to HariKrishna?

    Susan - apparently not.... 🙂

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 11:17pm

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    Recommended Reading RE: Buckminster Fuller and a "new model"

    I'm convinced that 'Capitalism' vs. 'Socialism/Communism' is a false dichotomy - or at least a deprecated one. I think we can agree that we all want to create a society that maximizes wellbeing and mitigates needless suffering.

    So there's a book I'll recommend that I think you'll find useful as you consider a new model that replaces the imperfect one we've currently got: The New Human Rights Movement by Peter Joseph.

    While I don't agree with all of the author's assertions, the overarching train of thought he elucidates is one worthy of drawing inspiration from.

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  • Mon, Jun 08, 2020 - 5:48am

    Susan7

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    Susan7 said:

    Ok. I was just reacting to the comprehensiveness of your solution. It was the first thing that came to mind, not intended to be snarky. But if you really do have the solution to everything why not share it now, instead of a year from now. I’d like to hear it, although I don’t think there’s anything new under the sun.

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  • Mon, Jun 08, 2020 - 6:10am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Suggestion

    There won't be a revolution but things can be done.

    It appears that most here understand that they are owned by the fed. There are calls for a gold standard and sound money. That is never going to happen. That is pure fantasy.

    there is a currency, actually many, that is an alternative . People can actually use crypto for goods and services. I recently payed my plumber for some work with Ether. Currently it is now worth 2x what I paid him.

    Crypto are democratic, they belong to no central entity,  they eliminate the need for middlemen like Visa and Mastercard.

    My suggestion is that Adam and Chris promote crypto by putting the logos of the top ten cryptos on their resilience shirts, promote crypto on this site by having more discussion with industry leaders and accept payment for subscriptions and other products in crypto. The more velocity the more adoption the more freedom from debt/fiat bondage.

    BTW I am not smoking anything.

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  • Mon, Jun 08, 2020 - 6:35am

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    Suggestion

    My main concern is that crypto is only as good as your internet connection. Other alternatives might be local currencies, especially since we are striving for more localization anyway. There are numerous successful ones in use now.

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  • Mon, Jun 08, 2020 - 6:42am

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    Promoting Crypto

    What makes anyone believe that the purchasing power of crypto wont be as volatile as cash? In today's day and age, everything is currency and relative to other "currency". The only difference between all "currency" being liquidity.

    The idea of crypto being a more just medium of exchange would require that cash be eliminated all together as a medium of exchange, and essentially as a unit of currency.

    Those who are at an advantage under the current structure will never allow that to happen, and so it would only happen with an all out war on currency or a deconstruction whereas their advantage could be maintained.

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  • Mon, Jun 08, 2020 - 7:44am

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    Back to points of Original Post : Banking -- look for new topic to continue this

    Should another thread be started to not get lost in the noise ?  --  I started a new topic under "projects" here, it would be convenient if replies to this post where done over there to not be lost in the noise of this thread :  https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/large-bank-boycott-rightous-revolution/   Anyone else up for the challenge ?  Could we start by July 1st ?  I will start a new forum topic, and copy and paste this as initial post.

    Actions items, can we add or refine this :

    - If you have an account in a major bank, move it to a local credit union before July 1st.  While this could be inconvenient, you can always move it back in 6 months if it bothers you that much

    - Charge cards :  Boycott/dont use for ( how long ?  1-2 months to start ? Support each other on how to do this)  I also use mine for convenience, and AMTRAK mileage charge card is Bank of America, so I will stop using it.  Will this be inconvenient ? Sure, but absolutely doable.

    Online ordering will be the issue for all in this one.  Ideas for how to get around it as much as possible ?  Some of my ideas, but we need more :  (1) Also boycott new purchases for the 2 months.  Most things we buy can be put off, new sheets, new shoes, etc....  (2) if you must buy from Amazon, preload money to your account there ? I think that can be done $100 at a time  ( 3) This is niche, but I order food monthly thru Azure standard and as a long time customer, I can just send them a check "net 10days" instead of paying ahead with a card online, yes, less convenient, but very doable.

    ATM cards are run thru the charge card companies, go to cash for the 2 months for grocery store/gas/hardware store purchases ?

    - New loans : boycott new financing ( unless absolutelly needed ) for the 2 months.  SO, do not buy the car with standard financing ( credit union ok) or put off the purchase for a while if you can.  Cant do anything if you are changing homes, that needs to be an exception for most

    Can people here who are going to do this chime in on the new thread ?

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  • Tue, Jun 09, 2020 - 11:20am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Crypto.

    I believe crypto will lose much of its volatility once it actually is used as money.. It will move from a purely speculative vehicle into commerce. If one has real concerns about volatility then one only need convert it to everyone's favorite sound money and safe haven store of value.......Gold

    Ah the old internet connection red herring. I would suggest that should the internet go down your problems will if placed on a chart look like the venerable hockey stick. As I mentioned above crypto is a "global local currency".

    The choice is right in front of your face. You can have YOUR crypto currency or you can have THEIR crypto currency but crypto you will have. In one case you will still be tied to THEIR monetary system in the other NOT.

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  • Tue, Jun 09, 2020 - 11:44am

    Mohammed Mast

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    An Idea for the Revolution

    One cannot have any sort of Revolution w/o a soundtrack. Music is universal and communicates all over the world no matter the language.

    Having lived through the 60's my favorite revolutionary song writer was Phil Ochs. Though some of the references are dated the concepts ring true today. In other words amazingly we are still dealing with the very same issues. So Much for progress.

    The Ringing of Revolution

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00G1mS_fGWA

    Or perhaps something a little more contemporary. Ms. Tracy Chapman "Talking bout a Revolution.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721JQZw6Spg

    If it aint got no music I don't want no part of no Revolution

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  • Tue, Jun 09, 2020 - 11:55am

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    What would the founding fathers do?

    In many was the problems we face today are not new. So when looking for principles or actions to take it is interesting to read the works of the founding fathers (of the US), were they warn of the dangers of fiat currency, excessive debt, a two party system, systemic inequality, concentrations of wealth or power,  ... on and on.

    IMHO we are doing a terrible job of holding government actors to the constitution and principles we claim to have.

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  • Tue, Jun 09, 2020 - 12:30pm

    Tonya McKinney

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    Tonya McKinney said:

    Thank you and I agree!! I learn so much from reading every ones viewpoint!! :).

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  • Sun, Jun 14, 2020 - 6:35pm

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    Finding ways to disengage from the system, and a deeper look at the Deep State

    In support of Adam's point #1, Robert Kiyosaki, author of the book Rich Man, Poor Man chimes in with his take:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/robert-rich-dad-poor-dad-kiyosaki-what-elites-dont-want-you-know

    In saying this:

    “Our governments have really screwed up,” he adds. So it’s time to leave the system or be dragged into slavery by staying in it.  After all, they shut down the world to cover up something “very very big.”

    ...he prompts me to post the article below. It is a very long read that will be of interest to those who want to know and understand more about who the deep state actually is, and why they are indeed shutting down the entire world and working to control everything. Heads up: if you do not care about geopolitics, history and how we came to this moment in time, I doubt the following info will be of interest to you, just so you don't waste your time...

    This article connected so many dots for me. The historical build up to this point in time is both fascinating as well as a horror story of power and corruption. There were some surprises, but other things just reinforced long held thoughts & suspicions. The second link is to another article that lends further credence. It would seem we are witnessing, in living colour (lucky we plebs!) a strategic Imperial plan spanning generations and centuries, with the Brits still pulling all strings from behind the scenes. This group has not and does not have any compunction about using any and all tools - and if need be, creating those tools - to move them further towards their ultimate goal of global domination. This is a grand plan. I no longer have any lingering doubts.

    THE IMPERIAL BRITISH WORLD ORDER: A Rothschild Creation via Mass Surveillance and Nanotech Bioweaponry

    How Rothschild Inc. Saved Donald Trump

    Hope those who are interested in this type of material find this helps connect some more dots.

    Jan

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