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    How We’ll Get Through The Coronavirus Debacle

    What we need to do as we prepare to enter "hell month"
    by Adam Taggart

    Tuesday, April 7, 2020, 8:34 PM

As we prepare to enter “hell month” across the globe, when coronavirus infection and death totals will climb to peak intensity, today’s video looks at what we need to do to get out the other side of this pandemic as quickly and safely as possible.

First, we need to identify the best treatments asap and standardize around them. We’re starting to see promising contenders (e.g., early-on doses of hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin+zinc). Let’s separate the best from the rest and develop scalable protocols and deployment around them.

Second, we need to test the population for antibodies and put the recovered back to work NOW in critical positions (food delivery, first line of defense for health care, in-home care for the sick, etc)

Third, we need to get the low-risk folks back to work with effective PPE and self-protection practices, while keeping the at-risk safely isolated. In this way, we’ll get to herd immunity faster while reducing fatalities, restoring the economy, and protecting the health care system from being overwhelmed.

This is what we need to do. But will we do it?

Watching our current “leaders”, honestly, it will be a crap shoot. For every step forward, it seems we make a boneheaded policy response in return.

Which is why we all need to hope for the best but continue to plan for the worse.

In the interim, get started on your garden: https://www.peakprosperity.com/diygarden

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 8:48pm

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    MayS

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    "Covid-19 had us all fooled" article

    I read the article about how COVID-19 might be a blood/iron issue, and it is intriguing. But I am troubled that no medical news outlet appears to be covering that angle. It sort of came out of nowhere, and went nowhere?? It was published on medium.com, which doesn't give me any confidence at all.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 9:20pm

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    "Covid-19 had us all fooled" removed

    The article appears to have been removed from medium.com (for violation of rules?).  But it is archived here: https://archive.is/ONUmi

     

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 9:45pm

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    Grassroots saviours

    Putting the managers to shame...

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/ryan-reynolds-hayley-wickenheiser-medical-supplies-big-donations-1.5525345

    PS: new Canadian social distancing rule = one hockey stick length. Sweet!!

    Jan

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 10:04pm

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    Better source for blood/iron angle

    COVID-19: Attacks the 1-Beta Chain of Hemoglobin and Captures the Porphyrin to Inhibit Human Heme Metabolism

    L. Wenzhong & L. Hualan

    Abstract:

    The novel coronavirus pneumonia (COVID-19) is an infectious acute respiratory infection caused by the novel coronavirus. The virus is a positive-strand RNA virus with high homology to bat coronavirus. In this study, conserved domain analysis, homology modeling, and molecular docking were used to compare the biological roles of certain proteins of the novel coronavirus. The results showed the ORF8 and surface glycoprotein could bind to the porphyrin, respectively. At the same time, orf1ab, ORF10, and ORF3a proteins could coordinate attack the heme on the 1-beta chain of hemoglobin to dissociate the iron to form the porphyrin. The attack will cause less and less hemoglobin that can carry oxygen and carbon dioxide. The lung cells have extremely intense poisoning and inflammatory due to the inability to exchange carbon dioxide and oxygen frequently, which eventually results in ground-glass-like lung images. The mechanism also interfered with the normal heme anabolic pathway of the human body, is expected to result in human disease. According to the validation analysis of these finds, chloroquine could prevent orf1ab, ORF3a, and ORF10 to attack the heme to form the porphyrin, and inhibit the binding of ORF8 and surface glycoproteins to porphyrins to a certain extent, effectively relieve the symptoms of respiratory distress. Favipiravir could inhibit the envelope protein and ORF7a protein bind to porphyrin, prevent the virus from entering host cells, and catching free porphyrins. Because the novel coronavirus is dependent on porphyrins, it may originate from an ancient virus. Therefore, this research is of high value to contemporary biological experiments, disease prevention, and clinical treatment.

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  • Tue, Apr 07, 2020 - 10:18pm

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    Youtube only available in theatre mode now

    The last couple nights I can't send a fullscreen image to my Apple TV. Theatre mode is what's available. It of course includes a large bar at the bottom to follow Coronavirus through the CDC.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 2:19am

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    Dwinger

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    New Zealand response

    Hi Chris,

    Thanks for all your work so far, I’ve been following your daily updates since late-January. Please check out New Zealand’s response so far. We implemented a pretty strict lockdown two weeks ago that seems to be now paying off. But on top of that, the government, knowing that major industries and businesses are going to be affected, initiated an economic relief package that got money to businesses, plus their affected employees, and individual contractors right from the beginning. No messing around. I have three friends who’s work has dried up since the Covid response measure who applied have for the relief package and their application were processed within days. The measures our government are implementing are helping the economy from falling apart while also stabilising the spread of Covid. It doesn’t seem many other countries are paying much attention to the work we’re doing, which is starting to pay off. I’d be interested to hear your thoughts whether we’re doing the right things health wise and economically.
    Again, thanks for all your work so far.
    Murray

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 3:49am

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    French connexion

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    What happened to KISS

    Keep it simple stupid. How many times I've heard that in becoming an engineer!

     

    Yet intelligent people go to great means to explore all sorts of ideas. I guess money truly makes the world go around.

     

    https://med.stanford.edu/covid19/research.html?fbclid=IwAR3fohGk46c3Qpnru47bB_PqYuY0U8uS4T4ioeUV7wfDZ0kYwslvci_38hQ#treatment-and-vaccination

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 4:44am

    Chris Martenson

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    Re: "Covid had us fooled..."

    I read the article about how COVID-19 might be a blood/iron issue, and it is intriguing. But I am troubled that no medical news outlet appears to be covering that angle. It sort of came out of nowhere, and went nowhere?? It was published on medium.com, which doesn’t give me any confidence at all.

    Welcome to the front lines of battling a brand new foe.  Information is spotty, what we thought to be the case often turns out not to be the case, and we have to be willing to keep our minds wide open.

    I don't have great confidence in the theory either.  I have zero clue how the virus proteins might become disassociated from the viral particulate structure and then cross the red blood cell membrane.  My logical brain says "no way!"

    But then my observational brain has been wracked with the inconsistencies of the clinical progressions of patients and the weird comorbidity alignments.  Why cancer and diabetes?  Why obesity?  Why hypertension?  Why blood type A more than O? Why not renal disease?

    Then the progression of the disease...the bi-lateral nature seeming to nearly *always* be the presentation.  The fact that ventilation offers so little in the way of healing support and possibly doing more damage.

    So let's start here.  We don't yet have a good handle on this thing and what it's doing.

    Given that, we have to be ready to cast aside what we think we know and start at the beginning.  What are the symptoms?  What's the clinical data?  How do we combine these into workable hypotheses that can be tested and rejected or bolstered?

    The hemoglobin hypothesis is tantalizing because it knits together so many of the dangly bits that didn't fit with the classical understanding of viral pneumonia but seem to align better with HAPE or carbon monoxide poisoning.

    Just kicking things around.  Being curious.

    As a final note, I don't worry at all about someone's pedigree or presence or lack of certain degrees.  I care about the logical progression of their ideas and whether they are considering multiple angles.

    Many of life's greatest advances have been brought about by people who specifically didn't have the necessary dogmatic orientation that prevented others from seeing things in a new way.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 4:52am

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    Chris Martenson

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    An incredible patient account of being in the ICU with Covid

    Received via a chain email.  Maybe you've gotten it too?

    From a man named Chip strongly confirming my desire to never catch this thing, even a so-called "mild" case:

    Roswell, GA

    I was released from WellStar North Fulton Hospital yesterday after nine days fighting viral covid-19 pneumonia - six days in the ICU and three on the medical floor. I thought I would share with you the top ten things I learned:

    On Wednesday, 3/11 I developed a dry cough and worked from home the rest of the week. I felt good and actually overdid it on Saturday running errands and doing things around the house.

    Lesson 1: Don't overdo it - f you have a cough, fever, shortness of breath, sore throat, loss of appetite, loss of sense of smell or other potential covid-19 symptoms, notify your doctor, rest and take over the counter medications that help your symptoms.

    From Sunday, 3/15 to Sunday, 3/22 my condition worsened. My cough persisted, I had very little energy, my sense of taste left me (food tasted like a mix of cardboard, sawdust and black mold) and toward the latter half of the week I started hearing a dry, crunchy sound in my chest.

    Lesson 2: Listen to your body - You know when something is wrong. Early in this week I should have contacted my doctor and gone in for an evaluation. I thought I was supposed to stay at home and not overwhelm the medical system. But if I had received medical treatment earlier - I may have avoided my stint in the hospital.

    By Sunday, 3/22 I was among the walking dead and Heidi was having no more of it. She loaded me in the car and we went to WellStar Urgent Care. During the check-in process I was impressed with how professional and attentive the staff were and how alarmed they were at my condition. They knew practically immediately I had pneumonia (remember the dry, crackly sound in my lungs?) and they measured my blood oxygenation level and said it was extremely low. They told us they could either call us an ambulance or we could drive, but that we were going to the WellStar North Fulton Hospital emergency room practically across the street. Heidi zoomed me over there and I was whisked away to emergency. That was the last I saw of Heidi for nine days.

    While in the emergency room I sort of went into slow-mo mode. I could see how concerned the emergency room staff were and the thought occurred to me that I was circling the drain. I was so weak and tired the realization didn't scare or alarm me - it was just an observation. I snapped out of it when Dr. Tony said my situation was very serious and that they were going to put me on oxygen. If my blood oxygen levels did not improve quickly, they were going to incubate me and put me on a respirator.

    Lesson 3: Push for the least invasive treatment option - This is the hardest lesson to describe yet the most important of my experience. I think if I had relinquished control of my recovery to a machine - I would have been in the ICU longer. I don't know this - I just feel it. I asked the doctor to give me a chance with the oxygen and focused all my energy on breathing as deeply as my crackly lungs would allow. Over time, my blood 02 levels improved - so much so that they actually switched me over to just an oxygen tube that fit in my nose.

    During the early part of my stay in the ICU, it became obvious that for the foreseeable future my life would suck.

    Lesson 4: Embrace the suck - At this point it seemed everyone wanted a piece of me. Technicians getting vital signs, blood draws, x-rays, the works. If you ever get in this situation - the suck is what is going to save you. This is where the medical team is getting the vital information they need to help you. If they want to draw blood every morning at 3:15 (they did) you smile at them and thank them when they're done. Same with the folks that come at awkward hours to get your vital signs - which tells them how you're progressing and gives them early warning if something is going wrong. The belly shot at 5:00 pm to thin your blood? Tomorrow let's do cocktails with that! You are always glad to see them and hope they come again soon. The staff also tested me for Flu A/Flu B which entails inserting a bristly feeling wire into your sinuses and pulling it back out. They also tested for covid-19 (winner) which involved inserting a bristly feeling wire into my sinuses, but then taking a tour of the inside of my head by twirling the wire around. Embrace this and just live in the moment while they do it (which happens automatically since you will not be thinking of anything else during the "swabbing").

    By Tuesday, 3/24 things had improved enough that I knew I was going to be ok - I just didn't know how long it was going to take me to get out of the ICU. The staff gave me some devices to help me with my breathing - one for inhaling and one for exhaling. They set goals for me each day - which mainly consisted of getting off the supplemental oxygen and working with my breathing devices.

    Lesson 5: Take what is offered / Do what you are told - At this point my appetite was back and I was better able to get out of bed and take care of myself. I figured the staff knew what they were doing (they did - I love them) so I decided I would accept whatever they gave me and do whatever they wanted me to do. I ate everything they brought me, drank water almost continuously, used the breathing devices on every commercial break or every 10 minutes or so if the TV was off (really weird watching the news anchors discuss the coronavirus while you are in the ICU with it). I think getting with the program early really helped my recovery.

    Also by Tuesday-ish , I was also getting to know the medical staff. They operate as a team and are very professional. I knew by watching them enter the room that they had strict protocols on personal protective equipment (PPE) and how to interact with me.

    Lesson 6: Join the team - Since the nurses and techs had to come in fairly regularly to check on me, bring meals, etc - we quickly reached an understanding on how we could help each other. In order to minimize the amount of PPE they had to use, I asked them to bring two cups of ice water every time they came in. This would last me four hours or so and meant they wouldn't have to come in as often. Cooperate with your team - they are nice people!

    As I began to feel better on Tuesday and Wednesday I started asking whether there were other covid patients in the ICU. The nurse said my whole side of the ICU was covid. I asked her how they were doing and that's when I learned that despite the medical team's best efforts, considerable skill and medical technology - their patients were dying from the virus.

    Lesson 7: Be kind to your staff and be understanding of what they are going through - Imagine a job where you report for your shift and people are in various stages of dying. I began talking to the people that came in my room and asked how they were doing, thanked them for their help and praised them for being willing to endanger themselves to help their patients. Everyone likes to feel appreciated - and your staff needs to hear it. If you know a medical person that is dealing with covid patients - please reach out to them and let them know you are thinking of them and admire what they are doing. We need them!

    Each day I was reducing my need for supplemental oxygen and was getting close to my goal of eliminating it completely. Soon we started talking about me leaving the ICU and going to a regular room on the medical floor. This happened on Friday, 3/27. Even though I was still on supplemental o2, I was given a transfer to the medical floor. Nurse Katie came to help me move and there was also an assistant with a wheelchair. Katie asked me if I wanted to walk to the new room and I told her I would love to stretch my legs. As we were leaving, one of the key ICU doctors passed me and stopped Katie and the wheelchair lady to speak with them. He was speaking in low tones and at first I was worried he was getting on to them because I wasn't in the wheelchair. But then I heard Katie tell him that he should tell me what he just said. The doctor came up to me and said that no one with the level of infection I had was still alive - and that of all the covid patients they have treated, none had walked out of the ICU. I told him I was a testament to the great care I had received from him and his staff and North Fulton Hospital. My walk from the ICU to the medical floor was one of the best of my life!

    Lesson 8: Be thankful you are alive - no explanation needed.

    When I got to my new room, I was shocked it had a window. In the ICU and in my new room, they had to make the room have negative pressure so when the door opened air came in instead of blowing the covid virus out into the hall. To do this they took out a window, added strong cardboard and rigged it to have a blower shooting air out of the room to the outside. Since the ICU room only had one window, I had not seen the sky in almost a week. The medical floor rooms had two windows and I just sat down and stared out of the one that remained (there was even a hawk flying around). I was overwhelmed from just being able to see outside. I felt like a prisoner who had just been taken out of the hole and given a pardon forgiving my death sentence. It was a powerful moment.

    Lesson 9: Take nothing for granted - There is still a lot of great things happening all around us - time with our families, texts with friends, walking your dog, drinking water with ice in it, looking at the sky. Every little moment is precious - enjoy it.

    While on the medical floor I finally got off the supplemental oxygen and had to go through another round of medications before I could finally go home on Monday, 3/30. What a sweet ride! Heidi picked me up and took me home. Cruelly, I cannot be near her as I will still be contagious for about a week and have to wear a mask whenever I pass through a common area in our house. I catch a glimpse of her now and then - she's a babe!

    Lesson 10: Give back - I do not know exactly how I will exact revenge on covid-19, but I will get it. For starters, I have written this account of my experience so that you know what to expect in case you contract the virus, to encourage you to do everything the CDC and other experts tell you to do to avoid it and maybe to scare straight those of you that have become complacent thinking this will not happen to you. It can - and you do not want anything to do with covid-19 and you sure as hell don't want to be responsible for giving it to someone else.

    I have also heard that over the next few weeks I will begin to develop anti-bodies to the virus. I have also heard that there are studies underway to see if these anti-bodies can be used to treat those that have contracted covid-19. I would love it if my anti-bodies could kill this damn virus in others. THAT would be sweet, sweet revenge.

    Until I see you again - wash your hands, make the best of these crazy times and take care of yourselves. Love, Chip

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 4:57am

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    Does the US have what it takes to deal with Covid-19

    Before the US joined WWII, Winston Churchill was quoted as saying, "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing, after they have tried everything else."

    I've thought of this quote several times during the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The thing is, we are not the same country that existed in 1940.  I'm unconvinced that Churchill's quote still applies to the majority

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 4:57am

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    Greenish tint to Serum of COVID patient--probably free iron

    Found a picture from an ER doc's group discussing this topic. This would go with the attack on hemoglobin viewpoint by several non-structural proteins made by COVID during infection of human cells.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 5:32am

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    Chris - Perhaps this article deserves a 2nd look

    https://zenodo.org/record/3698160#.Xo3DXCWIaEc

    Dr. Lawrence Broxmeyer has from the start had a different view of the virus.

     

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 6:04am

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    Chris Martenson

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    It's Out! The Suay Shop Sewing Pattern

    Here it is!  Perfectly well done.  Inspiring.  Awesome.  These folks have hit it out of the park.

    Here's your step by step pattern/instructions for making your own ~N95 masks.

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0050/2474/3524/files/Suay_Mask_Pattern_2020.pdf?v=1586309614

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 6:21am

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    The simple cure

    Looks like hydroxychloroquine along with Zinc and an antibiotic works. If it works, why do we need to see if it works by testing? Do we believe it works or don't we? Let's assume that it does work. So put on a mask, go to work, expose yourself to a small infection, get sick, see your doctor, get some pills and go back to work. Now you are immune. Treat this like we treat the common cold. We will eventually all get the virus. Do you know anyone who hasn't had a cold? Skip all the testing, all the new hospitals, ventilators, etc. and make this simple. Produce lots of masks and pills. I understand that TPTB don't want this to happen. The people need to push this.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 6:23am

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    Garden Seeds

    I never expected backordered garden seeds this year.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 6:43am

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    French connexion

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    KISS

    I think the answer to your question is: We don't decide.

    That's why in France we have had the Yellow Jackets.

    Maybe we have to question Their motives - like Why are They putting forward Kamakazi solutions?

    If 99% of people infected became well enough after 5 days to work again and infect no one - then no ventilators, ICU.

    Ah but the Lupus patients! Please show us how many Lupus patients have become infected. Then tell us it didn't work for them.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 7:26am

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    Kozak said:

    Hearing some discussion today about how the SARS- COV2 virus may have an unsuspected mechanism which is causing the refractory hypoxia and subsequent lung damage in patients. Heres a link to that story in the web
    Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb

    Did a little digging and found this paper from China that proposes the mechanism.

    https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/itempdf74155353254prod/11938173/COVID-19__Attacks_the_1-Beta_Chain_of_Hemoglobin_and_Captures_the_Porphyrin_to_Inhibit_Human_Heme_Metabolism_v5.pdf

    I'm just a clinician but is seems to make some sense. Also gives a proposed mechanism of how Chloroquine is helpful.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 7:31am

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    Garden seeds

    buy a two year supply of the staples. Put one years worth in your solar chest freezer. Always, ALWAYS, buy a year in advance.

    a farm boy whose dad died young and was raised by his Grandparents who were married in 1917. They were and we are fairly resilient. We could ease back into the 18th-19 th without too much pain. The farm and community does need a miller and a tanner/leathersmith.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 7:34am

    French connexion

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    Help is on the way

    Give thanks for your President

    https://sputniknews.com/india/202004081078879491-trump-does-u-turn-praises-india-for-supplying-game-change-drug-to-fight-covid-19/

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 7:37am

    robie robinson

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    Garden seed

    PM me your needs, and I will fill in where I can.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 7:55am

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    I posted about that yesterday

    I'm sure someone else closer to Dr. Martenson passed him the article, but FYI... I not only posted the link to the "It might be a blood disease" article from Medium yesterday, but did it as an archived link.

    I rarely post here nowadays, but am pleased the the article is getting notice and hope I had a little something to do with it because I think it makes sense and is important information.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 8:05am

    SingJo

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    Incredible - Indeed

    Thanks for the posting and detailed accounting of covid-19 medical care.  Its worth reading again and again.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 8:10am

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    the simple cure - answer for David McKenney

    Oh my, were it only so simple David.  It's very, very clear from a growing body of (sub-perfect) trial data and clinical data that hydroxychloroquine works.  Not only do we know it works, but we know that it works best in conjunction with Zinc and Zithromax, and given as early in the disease course as possible.  This last point was driven home by an infectious disease MD on the Laura Ingraham show last who was kind of laughing to say that there is no case of an infectious disease where the outcome is not better with earlier treatment.. like, duh.

    Anyway, as it turns out, the answer to your question is very much determined by what State you live in.  Some States are helping the mass media, and seemingly corrupt thought leaders like Fauci, set up hydroxychloroquine to fail.  For instance, if you live in Oregon, you are pretty much out of luck because you will not be able to get hydroxychloroquine unless you are in the ER, at which point it's potentially too late, and if the ER doc's in that hospital are among those still sold on the anti-HCQ meme, then you out of luck.  All of your answers are here;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn0pe7Jz_Gw

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 8:15am

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    Please, Please watch this short video... You can use what you learn here to save your own parents

    Hydroxychloroquine is savings lives NOW! Daughter saves her father - Doc Talk with Dr. Ban Ep.36
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DVathrs218

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 8:26am

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    Almost ready to seek COVID Infection

    The cost of avoiding COVID infection is getting pretty high.  Especially as we look at the long term nature of the NPIs required to avoid infections.  77 days for the first wave, then 18 months to 2 years for the next waves.

    Ultimately, our immune systems will have to meet this virus.  The HCQ+Zn+Azith cocktail seems to offer a pretty good chance of making it through the initial infection without respiratory failure and death.  (I might also take a dose of Ivermectin 12 mg, maybe on day 3, by mouth).  I want to get sick enough to mount an immune reaction, but then not get terribly sick.

    With just a bit more hard data, I would be ready to clutch my pills tightly to my chest and walk into the hospital without a mask seeking SARS2-CoV germs.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 8:39am

    Wendy S. Delmater

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    Back-ordered vegetable seeds

    I expected seeds to become scarce when this blew. The gardening section of your big box store or local nursery ordered early and may have what you need - and while you're there get some gardening gloves; you can wear those for infection control and toss them in your washing machine or hand wash them. Suggestion: buy heirloom seeds if you can, and save your own seeds for next year whenever possible. You can also grow perennials like arugula, or self-seeding plants like walking onions and Jerusalem artichokes.

    This year I had the following seeds saved from last year: Kentucky wonder green beans, yellow wax beans, daikons, beets, jehicho cos lettuce, (not all of it sprouts as it's a hybrid), carrots (seeds in the 2nd year), dragon's tongue kale, and 3 kinds of tomatoes.

    Consider planting perennial food-bearing plants, shrubs, trees, and vines. Our asparagus is ready to harvest. We have a mulberry already fruiting (those grow FAST, and provide food early in the year), as well as some figs we can grow in Zone 8. Our grapes will bear heavily and we'll make those into grape leather. We'll be watering our apple and pear saplings. We're planning to add artichokes this year.

    Remember: If you're just starting gardening, water is essential. If your area has a lack of water, you can water with used dishwater. Start a compost pile if you can, but remember that it'll need kept moist and turned with a shovel or pitchfork. We'll be adding sand to our compost pile of kitchen scraps next before we use it in our raised beds because plants need air, too, and sandy grains add air space for the roots.

    I'm finally over the illness that kept me away from gardening. My heart was beating 1/3 more slowly than it should have been. All fixed now. I'm out there almost every day, resurrecting and improving our semi-rural lot. I'm so glad to be back at it and not quite starting from scratch.

    The best time to start food gardening was years ago, the second best time is NOW.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 9:13am

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    Sandpuppy

    I am pretty sure I had the virus.  The symptoms are nothing like a cold.  I second guessed myself for a while, the aches were from shoveling snow and the headache was from eating Keto.  But the tender lymph nodes and cough were a bit concerning.  So I saturated my body with 10,000 IU of vitamin D with K, and vitamin C.  Drank Chaga and Willard Water in my daily water.  Willard Water has a ph of 12.3.  To me it makes sense to nudge your system toward a more alkaline state. Lots of mushrooms, garlic and turmeric. If it’s a war against the virus throw everything you can think of at it.

    It does change my perspective believing that I don’t need to be so obsessive about everything.  And I wear a mask for others protection not my own.  I was in daily contact with my kids and grandkids.  They have had days when they felt a little off but have not gotten sick.  Neither  has my husband who takes copious amounts of supplements and is active.

    Anyway good luck if you decide to introduce a small viral load.  Saturate your body with good stuff.

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 10:02am

    kunga

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    Oregon doctors

    Pretty much sux. Yet, they seem to have an inordinate amount of political clout. The medical board outlawed a fantastic, gentle,  chiropractic treatment that saved me from a life of pain when I was young.  Good to know their egos and greed would prevent me from getting life saving treatment.  I continue to supplement, biggly.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 10:11am

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    skipr

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    asymptomatic = immunity?

    I'm wondering about asymptomatic people.  Are their immune systems powerful, are they genetically fine tuned to resist it, or just lucky?  I just read an article by a women in a remote town on the Olympic Peninsula.  She didn't travel anywhere, especially to a big city like Seattle.  It took her several weeks of agony to recover, but her husband was not phased.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 10:18am

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    20 seconds of truth regarding hydroxychloroquine

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuvY7Ru2_C4

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 10:25am

    David McKenney

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    The simple cure

    Thanks for that. I live in NY state.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 10:28am

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    Jim H

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    uninformed MD's are getting triggered

    The divide is deepening;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knvm61xGJHs

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 10:50am

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    JimH, do we have an easily

    Jim,

    Thanks for all your work on this!

    Do we have and easily digestible list of reading material that we could send to our individual GPs?

    I would love to be able to inform my Doc.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 10:56am

    Kirsters

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    lab & other evidentiary data r/t COVID19

    Hi Chris, I just registered today b/c I wanted to say that this blood cell hemorrhage hypothesis is supported by some of the lab data including elevated D-dimer, persistent low oxygen saturation. Also some of the anecdotal data: increased thirst- due to hemorrhage, dehydration, hypovolemia, & the pinkish sputum (tinged with blood). May also explain why certain blood types more susceptible d/t the unique proteins. Finally, a generalized hemorrhage explains systemic organ failure, esp when paired with hypovolemia from blood loss. Hemorrhage hypothesis supported by fact that CHQ seems to help, as you noted. A few more pieces for your puzzle! Cheers, you guys are exceptionally awesome.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 10:58am

    David McKenney

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    For your Doctor

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/04/08/some-headlines-on-what-works-and-why-vaccinations-probably-wont/

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 11:11am

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    DanielleW

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    Sand puppy.... good luck and keep us posted!

    You will be in our prayers! I’d love to hear your journey if you do decide to get the virus.
    Well wishes!!

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 11:29am

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    NickAdams10

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    Broken link

    The link to the DIY garden is not working for me. We have ours started but always appreciate the opportunity to learn more. Does someone have a live link?

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 11:30am

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    Excellent find David McKenney

    I know Paul Craig Roberts as brave and patriotic truth speaker.  More and more voices are rising up.. and don't think our posts here don't matter.. They do!  We are raising our voices here!

    Here is another Doc who saved himself, and his father-in-law, using HCQ (though he is very conservative in his statements).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXCpNjl-YyI

     

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 11:31am

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    Bildaw77

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    New Possible COVID-19 Treatments

    From a Mauldin Economics Newsletter...

    What this all means is that identifying antibodies that recognize the SARS-CoV-2 virus (the virus that causes COVID-19) is one of the keys to developing drugs and vaccines to treat and prevent it.

    The good news is that we’ve seen a lot of progress on that front recently.

    A research group from the Scripps Research Institute just found a chink in the virus’s armor.

    The team discovered an antibody from a survivor of the SARS epidemic in the early 2000s—which was caused by a similar coronavirus called SARS-CoV—that bound to a nearly identical site on the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

    The fact that the two sites are nearly identical suggests that it plays a very important role in the virus’s proliferation, which would be lost if it changed much.

    That’s very important.

    “The knowledge of conserved sites like this can aid in structure-based design of vaccines and therapeutics against SARS-CoV-2, and these would also protect against other coronaviruses—including those that may emerge in the future,” said the study’s senior author Dr. Ian A. Wilson, Hansen Professor of Structural Biology and chair of the Department of Integrative Structural and Computational Biology at Scripps Research.

    That’s great news… something we don’t get enough of these days.

    But it’s out there, buried below the constant barrage of doom and gloom headlines.

    I’ve found many recent developments to be encouraged about…

    Here’s another one:

    The tiny Canadian biotech company AbCellera used proprietary artificial intelligence (A.I.) to identify more than 500 SARS-CoV-2 fighting antibodies in the blood sample of a patient who recovered from the disease.

    And thanks to its A.I., AbCellera was able to perform this feat in record time. It took the company about a week to discover the relevant antibodies among millions of immune cells. Without the help of A.I., a process like this would take months if not years.

    A few days later, drug giant Eli Lilly (LLY) announced a partnership with AbCellera to develop COVID-19 drugs using these antibodies.

    But recent breakthroughs aren’t all just antibody related.

    The world’s fastest supercomputer was recently tasked with running thousands of simulations to find drug compounds that could fight the coronavirus. The supercomputer, called “Summit,” only took a few days to identify 77 potential treatments for the virus.

    The team behind the effort has since cut down the list to the top seven most promising. Scientists can now test those top seven compounds against the virus.

    That’s incredible.

    Even better news for the near term is that Abbott Laboratories (ABT) released a new superfast test for SARS-CoV-2 infections. It can deliver positive results in just five minutes using a nasal or throat swab and its small, table-top ID NOW platform. Negative results take only 13 minutes to determine.

    More than 18,000 of these little machines are already used by hospitals, doctors’ offices, labs, and clinics across the country to diagnose the flu and other viruses. Abbott will be able to deliver 50,000 of these tests every day.

    This is wonderful news. It will lead to a lot more data about how to fight this disease rationally rather than a complete lockdown of the economy.

    And we’re seeing new amazing developments like this on virtually a daily basis… something to remember in these tough times.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 11:48am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Sorry Les Not true

    Your quote by Winston Churchill is not true. There is no evidence he said it.

    It reminds me of that jefferson quote that circulated ad infinitum starting in 08.  The one about inflation and deflation. To your point my assessment would be Americans are no different today than they were then. They are just people.

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/11/11/exhaust-alternatives/

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 1:22pm

    dtrammel

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    PP/DIYgarden link

    Presently that link goes to Adam's 2013 tutorial on how to make a raised bed.

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/how-to-install-raised-garden-beds/

    Not sure if they plan on expanding the link to a bigger group of posts, but for now I'm adding the tutorials I have on small scale raised beds and container gardens.

    If anyone else want to add pictures of what they are doing I suspect they would appreciate it.

     

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 6:22pm

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    Tom Sammy

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    Online pharmacy recommendation?

    Any trustworthy online pharmacies?  Any way to avoid going through India (I tried River pharmacy but got message India supplier has stopped certain drug exports and everything is delayed)

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 8:09pm

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    A.nony.mouse

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    Pulse Oxymeters and Hemoglobin

    Here are 2 hypotheses that came to mind with regard to Covid-19 attacking red blood cells.

    a/ Pulse oximeters shine 2 wavelengths of light through your finger. As the pulse goes through your finger the finger absorbs more light at these wavelengths (because it now contains more blood which absorbs those wavelengths). There are sensors for each wavelength (red light and infrared). The ratio of the change in intensity of the 2 wavelengths across a pulse is correlated with the proportion of oxygenated blood. Thus the pulse oximeter can calculate and display the SaO2:
    absorption of wavelength due to blood cells carrying oxygen
    -----------------------------------------------------------
              absorption of wavelength due to blood cells
    I have read reports of people with ridiculously low oxygen saturations, so low that they should be keeling over and gasping for breath. Yet they are lying in bed, reading their phones. If the iron atom is removed from the hemoglobin in a red blood cell, perhaps it still registers to the pulse oximeter as a "red blood cell", and absorbs a similar proportion of the wavelengths as a blood cell with an iron atom would. Thus the denominator of the equation will be high resulting in very low oxygen saturations reported by the pulse oximeter.
    However, if the body only considers blood cells containing iron atoms, the body would see the blood saturation as low but normal, which would explain why the patients are still functional.  This also is consistent with some reports I saw about blood of COVID-19 patients being very thick: the marrow might be producing more blood cells with iron in them, but those without iron might be left floating in the blood, perhaps because the spleen doesn't recognize them as blood cells...
    b/ It also might explain why women don't get so badly affected: they get a period every month. Perhaps the sudden drop in healthy red blood cells (with iron) is noticed by their bodies, and therefore they generate more new healthy blood cells faster than men do: to the marrow it might just look like yet another period.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 8:43pm

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    NZ Gold Standard?

    Yeah, Murray, we do appear to be getting it right, in New Zealand. I was a bit critical of some of the decisions but this disease seems to be coming under control. The big test is keeping it under control, if we do get there. I can't see our tourism industry restarting in the foreseeable future and immigration will probably be near zero for quite some time. It's going to be a very different country, in a very different world.

    The information about re-infections (that Chris mentions in his more recent video) is worrying, though, so even a slight loosening of restrictions seems fraught.

    Tony

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 9:03pm

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    A.nony.mouse

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    FEMA buys Colorado ordered ventillators

    “Either be in or out”: Feds swooped in on Colorado’s ventilator order, Polis says

    Colorado had an order for 500. It wanted 10000. Now FEMA will give it 100.

    Feds sending 100 ventilators to Colorado, Trump says

     

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 10:43pm

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    wildtravel

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    Imperial College Model Predictions

    Hi Chris,

    Re:  “Idiocracy”, 7 April 2020, minute 20 onwards

    With respect to those predicted proportions of populations who have been infected, modelled by the Imperial College and Others, “observed deaths” appear to represent outcomes of diagnosed Covid cases only as an underlying assumption?

    We also know that reported infections and deaths to date undoubtedly and perhaps significantly under report actual deaths, due to non/misdiagnosis attributed to other causes (e.g. co-morbidities, definitional uncertainty, political spin doctoring).

    I refer to your previous report on ratios of symptomatic to asymptomatic transmission from clinical data in Hubei province, by MIT I think, to be 14% to 86% respectively. I suggested in a previous post that those numbers are internally consistent with reported global fatality numbers, premised on the WHO touted 3.4% CFR of Covid.

    On this basis, I would suggest that the Imperial College model “observed deaths” premise is a very rubbery number to go extrapolating proportions of a population who have been infected with Covid.  I suggest the percentage of a population infected, calculated by this model, might be too high by a factor of 86/14, in consideration of never diagnosed deaths caused by Covid.

    On the basis of both the GIGO and Precautionary Principles, anybody hanging their hat on this model in relation to predicting herd immunity should be aware the percentages of populations it generates is submittedly “fake news”, and needs to be factored way down to only 14/86 of the numbers the model generates.

    I’m saying here that the balancing act between the horns of the the dilemma for global government responses to the pandemic (I.e. save lives, restore economy, manage health system) has a fourth horn in the Precautionary Principle being applied to herd immunity modelling.

    If people agree with this analysis Chris, the Imperial College Model numbers as published need to pulled immediately, and the model modified to recognise both “observed deaths” AND unobserved deaths, as above, for humanity’s sake.

    Otherwise, it’s going to cost millions of lives if this allegedly fundamentally flawed model is adopted globally to inform relaxation of NPIs in dangerous attempts to restart economies before time.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 11:23pm

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    Bajarat1

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    Hemaglobin angle and African American high mortality rate

    First thanks a ton for helping me and my friends and family get prepared back in Jan...

    We are seeing a pretty hard hit to the African American community from this beast. Wondering if part of this might be due to some genetic variation including sickle cell and the already reduced oxygen carrying capacity of the blood with Covid-19 and this possible hemaglobin damage theory? If many of these mortalities are folks with sickle cell this could possibly fit.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 11:37pm

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    MayS

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    CDC revised its R0 ... up!

    Is the R0 actually 5.7???

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 11:51pm

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    Bajarat1

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    Study investigates if COVID-19 came to Calif. in fall 2019  -

    We in Cali think a lot of us had this Dec, Jan and Feb. This theory is being researched all over now including by Stanford(see link below), the Italians are even exhuming pneumonia victims from Nov-Dec. (Thanks Chris!)

    It’s very strange that Cali is having such a low confirmed infection rate especially since we have had so many people coming and going from China.

    In late Jan, I read about a Chinese study where they identified a weaker more contagious version and a less contagious more lethal version. (Thanks Chris!)
    There are I think upwards of 18 different versions that have been DNA sequenced. Possibly a less lethal version rolled thru here in Los Angeles in a first wave, mutated itself out of existence or is still burning, leaving many of us with immunity...we’ll have better data soon I hope.

    I came down with a bad-ass flu bug the day after Xmas, all my friends and neighbors got it with varying intensity. I was sick for 3 weeks with a long recovery time with two or three weird reocurrences of a 101 fever for a day over the next month. The major episode symptoms were sleeping 18 + hours a day, no energy, lungs got so bad almost went to emergency. The worst night I had an elevated heartbeat and my right lung hurt. My whole body hurt from coughing especially my rib cage. Coughed up a moderate amount of bloody greenish mucous(took a lot of hard coughing to get it out), for me with flus usually a brighter yellow.  Mild sinus and throat effects. Luckily I felt better the next day and recovery started but it took many weeks with a persistant cough that lasts to this day when I breathe cold air or talk a lot. My treatment consisted of taking a lot of THC/CBD cannabis oil, drinking a lot of water, sleeping a lot, and taking extra vitamins. Luckily no shortness of breath afterwards. I have not been this sick since I had the chicken pox at 25 and I'll be 60 in a couple months. Needless to say I want to get an anti-body test as soon as I can.

    Study investigates if COVID-19 came to Calif. in fall 2019  - "If so, the state may have built up some herd immunity."

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 12:41am

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    NZ update

    New cases down to 29 from high of 89 (total population 5 million )

    total cases 1200aprox

    From about now, all incoming to go into govt controlled isolation. Up till now most were going into self isolation unless showing symptoms, in which case you were put govt controlled isolation. (initial isolation method was camper vans  well spaced at a military base. )

    Went to the supermarket yesterday for the first time, mask with salt, glasses, overalls and gloves. 80m que outside  of well spaced people, generally a bit over the 2m minimum separation. guards enforcing 'one out one in' , took about 15 minutes to get in. Inside was kept quite uncrowded, easy to stay separated. lots of 2m separation markers on floor as a reminder and separation guide,

    All staff gloves and masks and large perspex shield at checkout between you and operator. Staff sanitizing trolleys.

    Did not see any gaps in shelves, and only things with limits were the ones on good specials (usual event )

    Still no push to wear masks but 25% of shoppers were.

    However despite clear instruction, quite a few people headed off to their holiday homes for Easter.

    Minimum of 2 weeks more of this level, of only supermarkets and pharmacies petrol stations open.

    As for money, as my job was non essential, and an independent contractor, all I had to do was go to the govt.covid. site (which is sorted out not use any of my phones data ! ) follow link to the page, fill in my bank acc#, name address phone number, IRD # ( IRS # in USA ? ) email, ( They already have all that data ) and select fro 1 of 3 options as to my situation, and tick that I understood that if it turns out I lied, and was not actually eligible, I was up for heaps of penalties....

    2 days later money turned up.  All this done on a high trust model, and they might get round to auditing later.

    For employees the employer files the claim, listing all the employees IRD# and they get the money and hand it on to the employees, and their name goes on public list so employees can see that they are not cheating.

    NZ govt stood at 22% of GDP from memory. will be higher now!

    On the plus side, finally getting time to build the sunken greenhouse I have wanted for a while.

     

    Cheers Hamish

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 1:29am

    Wintergreen

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    Weird. LInk's a No-Go

    Tried several variations, but for some reason I cannot get the link to work for me to share on Facebook.  Not something that normally happens.

    If I do a direct paste & go into my firefox browser, I can get the page to open.  But if I copy & paste it to Facebook, then try the link from there, I get "page not found" or it goes to a home page not the pdf.

    Edit:  So, I got around it by making a nice green-backgrounded photo file & pasting the link in it as text.  Then put the photo image on Facebook.  Necessitates typing the whole blasted thing into the browser's address bar, but at least it works.

    Just odd (and rather annoying).  I can't recall ever encountering a problem with posting a link before.

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 7:12am

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    REALLY uninformed

    The doctor kept saying chloroquine was an immunosuppressant-suppressive drug, why would you give it to treat a virulent virus? Suppressing the immune system would help treat the deadly cytokine storm caused by the autoimmune reaction often misguidedly mounted by the immune system to combat the new virus.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 12:21pm

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    virus problem vs a blood disorder?

    I have no scientific training, but I really like the hemoglobin theory, what I understand of it.  Maybe we back up to the 10,000 ft view and consider the possibility that we have more of a blood disorder problem than a viral epidemic.  Certainly, the virus is the catalyst, but it's not what's killing people.  It might explain why kids who are growing like crazy (essentially regenerating themselves daily) can overcome a blood disorder.  It explains the effectiveness of intravenous vitamin C.  It might explain secondary infections...if the virus isn't the problem.  Maybe people with "secondary infections" never recovered from their blood disorder.  If the virus isn't the problem, maybe we don't have to worry about the lack of immune response.  We just hit the blood disorder with everything we've got.  Maybe we don't have to wait for a vaccine.  Maybe it even changes virus containment measures.  These aren't scientific musings, more philosophical musings.  It was what I was thinking about at midnight last night, when I should have been sleeping.

    Love your open mind, Chris.  It lets the light shine through!

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 7:04pm

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    Does the youth's innate resistance to COVID-19 imply a non-immune based defense?

    If young people are innately resistant due to a non-immune system to COVID-19 it would explain why they show low antibody counts.  Clearly their ability are not immune system related - even babies are highly resistant - its not acquired.  It actually points to a youth related explanation like growth rates (and all the related biochemistry) or possibly their blood's ability to carry oxygen.

    Interestingly, young people are also naturally "immune" (at least partially) to Malaria and the mechanism does not seem to be understood at all - though it is know to not involve antibodies and that prolonged exposure at a young age actually imparts "acquired immunity" throughout adulthood.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2620631/ "We advocate that naturally acquired immunity should be appreciated as being virtually 100% effective against severe disease and death among heavily exposed adults. Even the immunity that occurs in exposed infants may exceed 90% effectiveness. "

    Since Malaria attacks the red blood cells where Hydroxychloroquine boosts resistance, the mechanism for COVID could be similar.

    Another article (in Nature, no less) that shows in-vitro protection against COVID-19 /SARS-v2  using hydroxychloroquine https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 10:36pm

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    yagasjai

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    Glyphosate and Covid-19

    Has anyone looked into this angle on Covid-19? I've been quite busy so haven't been able to keep up with all the recent posts. Not sure if anyone else has passed this along, but in case no one has, here it is:

    https://jennifermargulis.net/glyphosate-and-covid-19-connection/?fbclid=IwAR2xqZK1Wufrcbci0OxxzLmZt1m8enAAW7MOLUz37-tZL-zVNPv2ck4GCFM

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 2:34am

    Linda T

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    Re: Glyphosate and Covid-19

    yagasjai,

    OMG!!!! WOW!!!! That really blew my mind, that was really really interesting, and thanks for posting that.And a lot of it made a whole lot of sense too. Maybe some missing pieces of the puzzle? Could very well be. Hope Chris or someone else can take a look at it later, and I look forward to their input.

    The sections entitled "A link to waterways, highways, and airports", really the whole section was really interesting; "Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease"; "E-cigarettes and vaporized glyphosate"; "Collectins: proteins essential for the innate immune system"; and these paragraphs from the section "A broader perspective on glyphosate and COVID-19":

    "Is this all just coincidence? I don’t think so. Instead, I strongly suspect that the degree to which a person is susceptible to COVID-19 is proportional to the degree to which they have been exposed to glyphosate. Eating a certified organic diet and staying away from major highways may be among the best tools for protection from an acute reaction to COVID-19.

    Researchers from Wuhan, China have done a careful study of four patients who suffered from an acute reaction to COVID-19 and ultimately died [34]. These patients all had severe issues with insufficient oxygen supply due to pneumonia. They also exhibited deficiencies in immune function in terms of decreased counts of various types of immune cells."

    One of the things that occurred to me while reading the article is since glyphosate/Roundup is systemic, so it affects more than just "weeds", it affects the bees and other pollinators, microbial life, and travels up through the food chain, into the groundwater... Maybe, maybe someone's diet has something to do with the degree with which they do or don't get COVID, because if someone eats mostly organic foods, they have less of it in their body...

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 4:59am

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    Re: Glyphosate and Covid-19

    If true, this could be a simple explanation why the young are less susceptible to COVID-19, because they simply have had less exposure to glysophate than older folks.

    Also, if true, this a stunning example of how complexity can manifest profoundly damaging unintended consequences.  Much attention has been given the Precautionary Principle with respect to managing the COVID-19 pandemic.  This glysophate link, if borne out, points to the need to employ the Precautionary Principle when rolling out new technologies and chemicals in ways that would ultimately render them economically infeasible.  How much precautionary screening/testing of glysophate would have been needed to identify this effect as a potential problem before the chemical was commercially rolled out?  A true predicament.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 5:54am

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    all have antiparasitic properties. Zinc seems to be the essential piece of the puzzle

    Someone posted a few days ago the thought that most people don't seem to be low on zinc. I'm not sure that is the case. Most of the soil in the US is zinc poor. Soil mining, aka big agra, has stripped the ground of many micronutrients.  Since the Standard American Diet consists of corn, soy, and wheat, whether in various guises on the supermarket shelves or in our meat, farmed fish, and poultry, it seems reasonable that we would have, at best, sub-clinical levels of trace minerals.

    Zinc needs a 'helper' to get into epithelial cells where it can stop the replication of the covid RNA. This can be hydroxychloroquine, quercetin, elderberry or epigallcatechin-gallate. They all seem to do the job. As I take quercetin to ease my allergy-induced asthma, love elderberry syrup, and drink matcha, I have seen no reason to try to get a prescription for hydroxychloroquine.

    Ivermectin is new to this discussion, but it seems to show some promise in combating covid19. It is interesting that both hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are antiparasitics and elderberry, green tea, and quercetin also have antiparasitic properties.  What does this mean? I wish I had the background to know.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 6:13am

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    Hmmm, a weapon against honey badger??

    My husband found this site and asked me if I thought this might be useful in the fight against the honey badger virus. Thought I'd see what all y'all thought.

    http://www.black-hills.com/product-category/honeybadger/

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 6:50am

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    Only those with a copper deficiency

    Maybe, but most likely only on those who have chosen a path that presents an obvious copper deficiency.

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 9:01am

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    hen

    Hello Chris,

    Thanks for all of your hard work and advice. I'm sure it will have saved a lot of people from a COVID death.
    I'm male, over 70 and have an autoimmune condition - so I almost feel I have a target on my back. Wear an n95 mask all the time when out of the house, don' go anywhere. As I said in the beginning of the hydroxychloroquine/ZPAK discussion given a choice between death and hydroxychloroquine/ZPAK I'd take the treatment even if it didn't go through the testing I would have preferred to see.  However I don't know if the medical officials who would be taking care of me would make that decision or take the known path of the ventilators. New York statistics say that 80 percent of the people on ventilators die. I don't know if when you are on a ventilator you are far gone or there is some other reason.

    So what do I do - self diagnose and take some that I bought off

    the internet or take my chances with the medical system?

    Banks - In one of your videos you discussed how you felt about removing your things from your safety deposit boxes and Adam said he felt better leaving it in the safety deposit box.

    I would say that previously I would have fallen into Adam's camp so I wanted to share my experience.

    On Jan. 29th of this year I deposited a large check and directed a pretty big chunk of it to be put in a CD that was giving almost 2% for 6 months.  I even left the bank with a printed receipt for that CD and the business cards of the two managers that took the money and set up the account. A month later I wanted to check my account and was told the branch was closed. So I set up my online account after several days of being told that part of their website was down. Finally got it set up, logged in and was alarmed to find no CD listed. I called the numbers on the business cards and was forwarded to the national support. I asked them what happened and they said on Feb 3rd someone called and closed the CD. I was getting a little alarmed. What happened to the 5 figures that was put in the CD. They said they couldn't tell me that I would have to speak to the branch as they were the only ones that had that info. I told them the branch was closed. They asked me if I wanted to start an emergency case. I said yes and they said someone would call me in 7 to 10 days. I replied I'm really anxious and you want me to wait for 10 days in suspense? Someone did call in 2 days with no answers on why it was closed out but luckily I got all of my money. Neither one of the branch "managers"I called and emailed responded. No one has responded to the message I left on their "I you want an appointment to go to your safety deposit box message center.

    I think it is more important than ever before to be vigilant about any bank or institution you have your money in most of them are highly invested in derivatives often to multiple times their value. If their bets run against them they will be scrambling. I have been operating preciousmetalsinvesting.com for about 8 years and will post the chart of the bank's derivative exposure. It was startling to me. Just keep a close eye on your money. Chris, I know you are very busy but if you are ever available I would love to interview you.

    All the best,

    Ted

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 3:47pm

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    Herd Immunity

    Hi Peak Prosperors,

    Having posted previously raising questions over the findings of an Imperial College Study reported by Chris, I’ve analysed the source document.

    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-Europe-estimates-and-NPI-impact-30-03-2020.pdf

    That analysis indicates that the College’s findings may grossly over-estimate the total numbers of diagnosed and undiagnosed people who have recovered and enjoy immunity from the virus.

    These numbers are mission critical information for governments in achieving herd immunity whilst performing the delicate balancing act between saving lives and/or livelihoods and/or the public health system.  If they get it wrong a lot of people are going to die.

    I’ve written to the Commision to provide my analysis and these concerns, and will get back if anything comes of it.

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  • Mon, Apr 13, 2020 - 12:14am

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    Fake News))

    Hi Peak Prosperors,

    A further update on the Imperial College Study reported by Chris at minute 20:00 on.

    I am now in a position to state unequivocally that this Study “found” impossibly high numbers of asymptomatic recovered (i.e. immune) people in 11 European countries.

    The huge misrepresentation of proportions of immune people in whole countries (e.g. 15 % in Spain) vary between 4 and 104 times from now peer reviewed (British Medical Journal) ratios of a defining fixed quality of Covid 19 infections world wide. There are approximately 4 hidden asymptomatic cases for every 1 reported symptomatic case of Covid 19.

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