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    EVERYONE Should Wear A Mask!
    by Adam Taggart

    Thursday, April 2, 2020, 4:50 PM

So many of you asked us to create a short educational — and SHAREABLE! — clip for why masks are so important, so that you can get others onboard this movement.

That was a GREAT idea!

Because the most effective single step each of us can take right now to beat covid-19 is to start wearing a mask.

It’s cheap. It’s easy. And if we call do it, it will give us a HUGE advantage in the fight against this pandemic.

You don’t need a fancy mask. A simple DIY version will suffice.

Wearing one does the following:

  1. greatly reduces the particles a sick person can spread
  2. prevents you from touching your mouth and nose, by far the most common way we can get infected
  3. substantially increases your odds of having a mild case, should you get infected

If we all wear masks: I protect you, and you protect me. It just makes so much sense.

So you asked; and we’ve answered by creating this short, shareable video:

 

OK… we’ve done our part. Now, help us out: SHARE THIS VIDEO with those you care about!

Family members, friends, classmates, co-workers, neighbors, elected officials — anyone and everyone you think should hear this important message.

Thanks!

Chris & Adam

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 5:12pm

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    Jim H

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    very well done Chris, Thank you!

    I am going to take this and forward it to the execs that set our virus policy at my employer so that they can start thinking about it in addition to everything else they are doing.  I know you don't usually like to flaunt your credentials.. but I think it was entirely appropriate in this case.  Concise and to the point... again, well done!

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 5:28pm

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    Janie-em

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    Repeat Ad Infinitum

    Thank you for the video. The brevity underscored the point. Bravo!

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 6:02pm

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    Sharsta

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    Thanks Chris!

    I have been very grateful for your videos in order to decode the MSM gobbledygook.
    I've got ready as well as I can and dropped massive hints to other members of my family and friends.
    The reactions have been interesting (to say the least!).
    I sent this video to every member of my family this morning......

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 6:05pm

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    Ted & Diane Cohn

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    Great Video, Thank You!

    Shared it in our town Facebook group, let's hope they take it to heart!

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 6:27pm

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    Dmurge007

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    Surviving Ventilation

    Has anybody come across any data on what the percentages of Coronavirus Patients survive being on a ventilator.

    I looked it up and it did not look very promising, I hope I am misinformed.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 6:36pm

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    Dmurge007

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    Peak Prosperity is a Game Changer

    Thank you Chris for all your research and knowledge and sharing it with others.

    Your videos make me feel empowered by being informed with factually correct information. I feel blessed to have found you, and be able to share all the great information that you provide to all of us!  I look forward to each video and appreciate all your hard work, time and effort. You are an everyday  “essential” to me and many other's during this devastating time.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 6:50pm

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    Sparky1

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    Do Re Mi, keep 2 meters clear of me..(video)..

    This is so well done and genuinely funny, although a bit sad to see a classic twisted into a pandemic PSA. At least for a good cause....

    Do Re Mi - Covid 19 version

    https://youtu.be/MMBh-eo3tvE?list=PLLzocglh6GoSJkYoPnrrG0ER1slTNfikI

     

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 7:06pm

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    George Karpouzis

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    NYC data case fatality rates for healthy people, others with underlying conditions

    covid-19-daily-data-summary

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    I've dug deep into the data from NYC.

    Here's some totals for the 18-44 age group.

    20,300 cases. 7 deaths for those with no underlying health conditions.

    Case fatality rate of .03% for young healthy people. Of course, we know that these cases take time to resolve so the deaths will sadly increase.

    The case fatality for those with underlying conditions jumps to .4 percent for the 18-44 age bracket. About 13 times deadlier for those with underlying conditions.

    I'm also seeing data that shows obesity being a problem. Take a look at Louisiana Dept of Health for these stats. http://ldh.la.gov/

    Of their deaths, 28 percent were Obese, and 41 percent had Diabetes. Many of these two go hand in hand and are therefore "multiple underlying conditions." Incredible, over 100 million Americans are Obese with over 30 million being diabetic.

    When we look at the 45-64 age bracket, in NYC we have 17497 cases with 13 deaths of those with no underlying conditions, a .07% case fatality rate. For those with underlying health conditions the CFR jumps incredibly to 2.1 percent. Again, the deaths are expected to rise as the disease plays it course.

    Looking at 65-74 age bracket we have 6095 cases. The data is skewed here as there is only 1 recorded death with no underlying conditions while "pending underlying" is at 71. With 305 deaths attributed with underlying conditions, lets assume 60 of the 71 pending have underlying conditions. That gives us a CFR of 6 percent for this group. It is assumed that most people in this age bracket have at least one of the listed underlying conditions.

    Above 75 years of age the CFR skyrockets to a 1918 style pandemic of 14.7 percent!

    Some data on aging americans

    The older population itself is increasingly older. In 2016, the 65-74 age group (28.6 million) was more than 13 times larger than in 1900 (2,186,767); the 75-84 group (14.2 million) was more than 18 times larger (771,369), and the 85+ group (6.4 million) was 52 times larger (122,362).

    So 48 million Americans are in the high risk category of 65 and up or about 14 percent of the country, or 1 in 7 to be precise.

     

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 7:30pm

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    Mohammed Mast

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    There are 4 reasons not 3

    The number one search term in the world is SEX. If you want people to wear masks you simply tell them there are 4 reasons but actually the most important one is ......

    IT"S  SEXY

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 8:04pm

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    Lineman7

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    UV Light article from BBC

    Sorry if it's already been posted.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200327-can-you-kill-coronavirus-with-uv-light

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 8:22pm

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    I am getting tired of the lack of focus on the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine here...

    We can stop this whole thing by getting the engines revved up the make more doses of the necessary medications.  Even better medications may come in time.. but these work NOW.  You are all welcome to worry about masks.. but we have a path out of this, and few seem interested.. instead we focus on the devastation happening in NY, where Gov. Cuomo has made sure that hydroxychloroquine is only available to already very sick, tested positive people who are past the point of no return.  We can treat this .. almost nobody needs to die.  As Dr. Zelenko says, this is wartime medicine, and we don't need a placebo controlled study.  Chris needs to turn his attention away from masks, and toward the chemicals that work.  This is a true emergency.  Thank you, Jim

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Oq6IOP1sd8

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 9:02pm

    jerryr

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    Agree: there is no doubt about chloroquine's effectiveness

    We can treat this .. almost nobody needs to die.

    I agree completely, Jim! When Chris featured a discussion of chloroquine in a video two weeks ago, the headline was "chloroquine: a promising treatment?" And in the video he said he wasn't sure about it. But, there really is no "question mark" needed. Let's review the facts.

    The Chinese discovered this first. J. Gao, Z. Tian & X. Yang from Quingdao, China reported that clinical trials of chloroquine were conducted in ten hospitals, and that “results from more than 100 patients have demonstrated that chloroquine phosphate is superior to the control treatment in inhibiting the exacerbation of pneumonia, improving lung imaging findings, promoting a virus- negative conversion, and shortening the disease course”.

    Subsequently, the Chinese choloroquine treatment protocol was adopted in South Korea, where the epidemic was controlled with about 2% fatality rate.

    Didier Raoult is one of the most prestigious and prolific infectious disease specialists in the Western world. He promptly accepted the Chinese and South Korean results, and started treating patients with hydroxychloroquine, combined with azithromycin. He published two preliminary studies, including a recent one following 80 patients, showing outstanding results.

    A running tally of patients treated with the Raoult protocol is maintained by Southern France Morning Post in conjunction with IHU Mediterranee Infection Institute and AP-HM hospitals. As of today they have treated 1,677 patients, with only two fatalities so far.

    Dr. Vladimir Zelenko says that as of March 27, he has treated 669 covid-19 patients in his New York practice using a similar protocol (adding zinc), and out of those, there have been zero deaths, zero intubations, and two hospitalizations.

    Dr. Raoult argues that with evidence as good as this, doing clinical trials that involve withholding treatment from a control population, is like doing experiments comparing the survival rate of skydivers with or without parachutes. It's no longer ethical to run double blinded, controlled studies.

    It doesn't have to be either chloroquine, or masks. They're both great ideas. But of the two,  chloroquine has the greater life-saving potential.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 9:23pm

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    wrenchceo

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    Zinc and its Role

    I just did a quick search on google and came up with this and it caught my attention.

    Is Zinc an anti inflammatory?
    Zinc in human plays an important role in cell mediated immunity and is also an antioxidant and anti-inflammatory agent. Zinc supplementation studies in the elderly have shown decreased incidence of infections, decreased oxidative stress, and decreased generation of inflammatory cytokines.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X14001503c:

    An antioxidant and anti-inflammatory agent: Role of zinc in ...

    I remember Chris Talking about the Vaccines not working cause they create cytokine storms when the patient gets the virus again.  Can some one talk more about this and how zinc may be of affect on the virus.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 9:48pm

    Jim H

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    Sure thing wrench... Let Dr. Seheult explain the role of Zinc in Covid-19 please

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eeh054-Hx1U

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 10:09pm

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    The enemy is at our doorstep... if you can't see it through this example, you are blind

    Here it is.. fake news pretending to be real news;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eeh054-Hx1U

    Further politicizing Dr. Zelenko's work with hydroxychloroquine, which, as JerryR has pointed out, is not unique work at all (though Zelenko pounds Zinc in his protocol more than others) .. .here is what Yahoo news is saying;

    “I’m seeing tremendous positive results,” he said in a March 21 video, which was addressed to President Donald Trump and eventually posted to YouTube and Facebook.

    What happened next is a modern pandemic parable that illustrates how the coronavirus is colliding with our fragile information ecosystem: a jumble of facts, falsehoods and viral rumors patched together from Twitter threads and shards of online news, amplified by armchair experts and professional partisans and pumped through the warp-speed accelerator of social media.

    Zelenko’s treatment arrived at a useful moment for Trump and his media supporters, who have at times appeared more interested in discussing miracle cures than testing delays or ventilator shortages.

    Sean Hannity, the Fox News host, quickly promoted Zelenko’s claims on his TV and radio shows. Mark Meadows, the incoming White House chief of staff, called Zelenko to ask about his treatment plan. And Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer, praised him in a podcast interview this week for “thinking of solutions, just like the president.”

    Few people have been as hopeful about hydroxychloroquine as Trump, who has enthusiastically promoted it for weeks as “very effective” and possibly “the biggest game changer in the history of medicine” — even as health experts have cautioned that more research and testing are needed.

    Death the Deep State.. dead and buried.. Amen.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 10:51pm

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    elite pandemic

    First of all - yes to masks.  And yes to HCQ.  Friend of a friend (ID nurse caring for COVID patients) tested positive, got dosed with HCQ as per guidelines, and cleared it in 5 days.  She was < 30.  No intubation, no fuss.  Treated early.  Of course.

    Now then.  <Tinfoil hat on>

    It seems likely that a fair number of Our Valuable Elites are over 50, with a BMI > 30, possibly with diabetes, heart disease, and other co-morbidities, and as a result, they feel as though this pandemic is targeting them personally, with a CFR > 20%.  I mean, this is scary stuff.  They might actually die.

    And that would be Really Bad!

    In normal life, they have a large staff of younger, healthier people that wait on them hand and foot, but...under the current conditions, literally any of that staff could be asymptomatic carriers!  One day - bang.  They get infected.  Holy crap!  They die, while their staff member just gets sick and then recovers.  That's just not fair!

    Maybe that's why we have a worldwide lockdown.  Lock down the masses, to save the elites.  Trump himself talked about a friend who went into the ICU with the virus, and next day, into a coma.  That's the kind of thing that really gets your attention.  Boris Johnson, positive.  Trudeau's wife, positive.

    Ergo, worldwide lockdown is the only answer.  Everyone in power agrees: we can take no chances with the lives of our valuable, vulnerable elites.

    Even if the testing monster that is South Korea tells us the CFR is about 0.6%.

    Its not how many people that die that drives decision-making - it is all about who they are that counts most.

    <Tinfoil hat off>

    My tinfoil hat comment may not be 100% correct, but I think there's a lot of "directional truth" in there.  It is often said that, if the politicians (and their families) had to go to war, there would be a lot less war.  Same concept here. "Wait a minute.  You mean to tell me that *I* am at risk in this pandemic?"

    Maybe that's why China got shut down too: to protect the elites in the CCP.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 11:50pm

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    Flatten the curve

    Wearing a mask is really important, I agree, but we should be clear about why we should be wearing masks and what to expect from doing this and changing our habits in general. It's about "flattening the curve". When everyone starts wearing mask, it's not going to magically fix everything. There's no silver bullet. We'll need everything we can get our hands on: social distancing, masks, supplements, vaccines, drugs when necessary, etc.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 12:08am

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    3M Sell Masks To Other Countries Before US

    Media posted by Robert Davi
    This is Mike Roman of Minnesota, the CEO OF 3m the company selling Masks needed in the US to Foreign countries hey @3M we are all for helping the world but why take masks in America and sneak them to other countries @mikeroman he send 72 million to China-Shame on you Mike you knew

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 12:20am

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    Video Re 3M Executives - Selling Masks to US Not a Priority

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 12:28am

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    ppe, a possible alternative to throw- away overalls

    i've been a tradesman and i love overalls, action back and coverall. instead of using throwaway coveralls, why dont they consider using cotton coveralls. i know they aren't perfect, but i'm sure that after laundering all the bugs would be destroyed.

    also isn't copper anti bacterial?. weave it into safety clothing (like in socks), and make hand rails etc in hospital out of copper and brass (similar to what they once did)

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 12:36am

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    Translation to follow, but please keep this reference for future finger pointing

    France Info is the French government's instrument which they use to get their message out. I also saw this story almost word for word in le Monde - this is the way MSM works, they all publish the same story hoping that the public believes them because "different sources" are saying the same thing.

    We all know now that Wuhan has a P4 lab, the only one in China. The article below is trying to convince the French public that the government is not obstructing the results for Chloroquine by Didier Raoult IHU Marseille Infection. Well if you take an attitude like Colombo, they give you all the info that you need to inculpate themselves.

    Did you know that it was the French Government which through INSERM built the P4 laboratory a Huhan. And that the husband of Agnès Buyzn, the French Health minister who quit her post to run for Mayor of Paris (failing miserably) March 15th - husband who was in charge of INSERM and was present along with the French Prime Minister Bernanrd Cazeneuve (we have both a President and a Prime Minister different posts) at the "accréditation" of said laboratory in 2017, constructed in 2015. Mr Yves Lévy was president of INSERM from 2014. In the aticle they try to downplay the conflicts of interest using arguments that the Coronavirus in a category 3 pathogen so it had no reason to even be in a lab suited for class 4 pathenogens.

    Professeur Raoult got under the couple's skin by complaining about the conflict of interest. Mr Levy had to decline his post.

    https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/agnes-buzyn-et-son-mari-didier-raoult-et-la-chloroquine-on-a-examine-au-microscope-les-20-affirmations-d-un-message-cense-prouver-un-scandale-d-etat_3891385.html

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 12:43am

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    DIY Protective Gowns for Healthcare Workers

    Just got an e-mail from a not-for-profit in Bellingham, Washington, (Re-Sources.org) looking for volunteers to make protective gear from Tyvek. Currently, they are planning for people to work together in a large room (at the required distance), but are working on kits for home manufacture.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 12:57am

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    IHU Méditérranée Infection

    https://www.youtube.com/user/ifr48

    with the Professeur Raoult who does the introduction

    their results for Covid-19

    number of patients treated to date with hydroxychloroquine and azythromycine in the hospital part of their laboratory

    1818 infected patients

    deaths after 3 days of treatment

    5

    https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/covid-19/

     

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 1:18am

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    copy of the video from #19 above

    https://www.gouvernement.fr/partage/8940-bernard-cazeneuve-deplacement-dans-la-ville-durable-de-wuhan

    The video shows the date and films the French Prime Minister, whose party lost the elections in May 2017 and has since left the government.

    The clip gives you a glimse of the now infamous lab, built in 2015 - recognized as a P4 lab at this opening ceremony. He speaks mostly about how Wuhan is going to be a carbon-friendly city.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 1:54am

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    American Know-how

    I read this last night - the author is sometimes vulger - but intelligent. Sorry to post this on ypour site Chris, but IMO the battle is to get us out of our houses as quickly as possible in the best conditions. You have brought up some points.

    But this article says in very plain English that we have an answer, maybe not the best one, but it is simple, cost effective - if someone has the symtoms ... OK there is the caveat that the medication can interfere with an existing heart malfunctionment.

    But you guys are "The American Know-how". That is what the world is waiting for - cut through the RED TAPE and get on with it - Just Do It. All this waiting for a protol to be established before just trying this on someone before they become really sick - lunacy!

    Anyways, for my two cents worth, and peace of mind - because we are in a double race for time - the virus - and to get back to work to save what is left of the economy.

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=238773

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 3:26am

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    I am promoting this video on MY NEW WEBSITE https://masks4all.home.blog/

    Please visit my site: https://masks4all.home.blog/ Scroll to bottom of the page and Share Far and wide to SAVE Lives.

    Thanks Andrew

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 4:39am

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    chlorquine products are in shortage

    I am in NY and it's use is restricted to pneumonia patients with severe hypoxia (low oxygen) because it is in shortage. https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/drugshortages/

    The rest of the country will benefit from our misfortune as there is research going on at the hospitals and clinics to get data on effective treatments. I think we run out of ventilators next week and then things get very sad.  Bipap is now the next alternative according to the governor (a complicated form of CPAP). The survival rate on ventilators is low but some people do get off of them.  And people will still hate us for asking for help.  I somehow feel bitter about this but it is not directed at anyone here.

    I am not able to comment on what is best (don't know) but the threads here have some good info.    Personally I am on quercetin, zinc and vitamin c.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 4:42am

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    Mayor of NYC telling people to cover their nose and mouth when outside

    The message is getting through now that thing have become catastrophic and they are telling people to use bandanas etc...

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-02/new-yorkers-should-cover-faces-while-outside-home-mayor-says

    Thank you Chris for your incredibly good work and for getting the message out.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 4:43am

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    Switzerland Still Maintains Masks For All Not Needed

    Thank you, Chris & Adam, for another very informative video. This is one that should be watched by everyone.

    Meanwhile, in Switzerland, top authorities still maintain masks are not needed by the general public.  Austria, next-door, gets it! Masks are now mandatory in their supermarkets and they apparently intend to roll it out to more places.

    I am not the only person in Switzerland frustrated by this. I have read lots of comments from people criticizing this no-mask-is-needed by the public narrative.

    I get that there just aren’t enough for everyone. And priority should be given to medical staff. But why tell the public masks are not needed? Tell the public to make their own DIY masks at home, encourage local tailors, seamstresses, fashion designers, and anyone who can use a needle and a thread to pull together and make fabric masks for the people. Many other countries are doing it, why not Switzerland?

    This is gut-wrenching! 19,145 cases today for a population of 7.8 million.

    What will it take for the top Swiss authorities to acknowledge that masks should be worn by everyone when out in public? How much more data and evidence do they need to be convinced to change their current stance? And why does the WHO not declare that masks are needed by everyone? Will a change in WHO’s stance make Switzerland sit up and align with that change too?

    Is common sense really not that common anymore? In this battle between humans vs the Coronavirus, it seems that the humans who are ahead of the curve are the ordinary ones not in power, not in politics, not in huge medical institutions that have seen this disaster coming from way back in January, when the rest of the world just shrugged it off as a “Wuhan problem.” And these ordinary Joe & Jane Bloggs have prepared. The ones who should have prepared their countries, their medical establishments, their organizations sadly didn’t move fast enough.

    Thanks as always, Chris and Adam, for always ensuring the PP community is up-to-speed, ahead of the curve, prepared .... so we can lend a hand to the “deer in the headlights” people who are just realizing the gravity of what’s happening to our world right now.

    Should all Swiss be wearing face masks? - https://swissin.fo/2UAYRSX

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 5:02am

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    Mark Moran

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    One more thank you to Peakprosperity team

    Chris, Adam,

    Your analysis over the COVID-19 outbreak has been massively influential for me, my family, and many others in my close circle.  You have done exceptional service to our nation and humanity.

    Your latest reasoning on just wear a "frigging" mask is so simple and clear that I find it incredulous that people in positions of influence still take pains to refute and caveat that guidance.  Our "managerial class" - great term - is  horrendously dishonest and so wrapped up in their narrow self interests (power, wealth, corruption,...) that they can not even comprehend what is best for the common folk of our nation.

    4th turning is upon us now.

    Team Prosperity:  Please keep going!

    Everyone: Plant your gardens, spread the peakprosperity message.  It is time for us to wake up and regain control over our government, our debts, and our lives.

    Respectfully.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 5:16am

    Adamah

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    Complementary efforts

    Masks might slow infection rate enough that chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine production can catch up and keep up.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 6:06am

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    HEPA FILTER is questionable

    With regards to the podcast about the necessity of wearing masks, I’ve just come across this link which warns about using the HEPA filter. Does anyone know what other type of filter I could use instead? Thanks!

     

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 6:35am

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    Tony McPherson said:

    Here is a Facebook post from a man in Atlanta who has recovered from the virus.  Of particular interest to me is the part where he recommends that you try to avoid the ventilator if you can in order to have the least invasive treatment.  It may not work for everyone but it it is food for thought.

    https://www.facebook.com/chip.burger.3/posts/10217589938923230

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 7:15am

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    N95 Masks - Lifespan? Thanks Chris and Adam

    Both I and my wife wear N95 masks to protect ourselves and others. Since we live in the New York metro area epicenter, are both over 70 and I have an autoimmune condition we are trying to protect ourselves as much as possible.

    I have read here about rotating or sterilizing N95 masks. Do the n95 masks like those by 3m have a lifespan? I have a p100 cartridge type that rates the lifespan.

    The reason that I ask about lifespan is that my nurse who administers my infusion for my condition came over last was wearing a mask, goggles and gloves (thankfully) and I was also we also were wearing a mask, goggles, and gloves. She said that they were tested for proper fitment of the mask by the hospital with sort of a hood that they spray sorbital in and then the nurse puts their head into the dome. If she could smell the sorbital then the fit wasn't right. I asked her how I could check and she said that if I felt around the edges of the mask when I was breathing out and no air was coming out it was probably right.

    Yesterday when I was getting some emergency gas cans filled for the generator I smelled the gas through the mask I was wearing. Does that mean it is no longer effective and should be discarded? Thanks in advance for your help.

    All the best,

    Ted Sudol

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 7:17am

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    Reason #4? Balancing medical mask supply and demand

    This deserves some modeling that I have not the time to do right now, and the answer will shift width mask reuse policy, but in general the math seems likely to favor widespread use of masks.

    Every clinically sick Covid-19 patient probably has some incremental effect on medical use of masks. With normal mask usage, each isolation patient causes clinicians and visitors to consume lots of masks, probably 12/day is conservative. Over a few weeks, that would be hundreds of masks per patient.

    Mask usage is no longer normal, of course. Visitors are excluded, and medical personnel are reusing one mask all day, if they have a mask at all. At some point, they will use a single good mask for at least days, keeping it covered with a DIY mask, and sterilize both every day. However,when enough people get sick the system will need more staffing, and will start recruiting retirees, researchers, administrators, etc, anyone with an MD, PA, NP, RN, or LPN degree, and then EMTs and retired medics and 4th year medical students. Linear thinkers in the hospitals are actually worried about discouraging N95 and surgical mask donations from the public, or competing with the public for masks, but another threat, coming soon, potentially bigger, is that clinicians and other support personnel staffing field hospitals and shelters will be competing with hospitals for masks.

    Would that competition matter if the newly recruited clinicians only wear 1 mask a day? The latest CDC data suggests that the US doubling time finally has lengthened to ~5 days, up from the terrible 2’s. A 2 day doubling is 10x in 7 days, and 10,000x in a month. With a 2-day doubling time, the USA curve would have turned sigmoid before the end of April because starting from 160,000 around April 1 and adding 10,000x, I get 1,600,000,000. That is about 5x more people than we have, so the curve would have to flatten. With a 5 day doubling time, and maybe getting longer as the administration reportedly gets on board with masks and we ramp up chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine production and treatment, we can reasonably expect probably 10x but less than 100x in April, and maybe steady state in May. So let’s say just 10x to be optimistic, which would be 1.6 million documented cases by the end of April. We are going to use a lot of masks if we can find enough medical people to wear them.

    If we could get the doubling time out to 10 or 20 days by getting everyone in the public to wear a DIY mask starting yesterday, that should really help balance supply and demand for medical masks. You need a lot more details than I have handy to make real estimates, but a 10x or larger increase in cases starting from 100’s of thousands has to have an effect on clinical rate of disposable mask use.

    What if the public did compete for surgical and N-95 masks instead of using DIY masks, but reused a fixed number of masks for weeks or months? I reuse 1 mask that I had before the outbreak, and try to sterilize it with UV on the days that I wear it. I have a few more masks from previous years, as you can see. The public is now hard pressed to get more masks, so behavior something like mine is probably common. We could argue that the public is competing to the extent that it keeps any masks it has stashed instead of donating those to the hospitals. This can’t be a big number compared to the demand, but maybe every US resident has stashed 5 surgical or N95 masks, so there are 1.5 billion idle masks out there. This is a stock, not a flow. There should still be a break-even point (in the number of infections) where the whole system starts needing a smaller flow of masks if the public cleans and reuses its stock of masks to reduce infections and therefore the flow of masks needed by clinicians, rather than making a single use sacrifice to the hospitals. Still, linear thinkers will call this selfish behavior by the public.

    Of course, it would be great to have it both ways. The medical community would appreciate getting an infusion of the public’s mask stock, whether it is 1.5 billion or 1.5 million. That could happen at minimal risk to the public if it could use good DIY mask designs to slow the growth in infections. No one would have cause to be bitter about some mote.

    So it seems to me that a long term reduction in the rate of medical use of masks is a fourth, smaller but not trivial reason for the public to wear masks. It may be useful to include on the list if (1) the assessment is correct and (2) resistance to public mask use comes from medical people who are worried about their supply of PPE.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 7:38am

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    No chloroquine shortage!

    In the US, the Dept. of Health and Human Services accepted a donation of 30 million doses of hydroxychloroquine from Sandoz. The pills are being reserved for patients who are already hospitalized!

    How many hospitalized covid-19 patients do we have in the US at present? Fifty thousand at most? That would be 20% of the 250,000 known cases, which would be at the high end of estimates of serious complication rate. Worldometer says the US has 5,421 critical patients.

    As Jim says above: you should be able to recognize the enemy.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 7:51am

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    mask filtering material

    Halriz - check out this article re: use of 'shop towels' as a filtering material :

    www. businessinsider.com/homemade-mask-using-hydra-knit-shop-towel-filters-better-2020-4

    They are also working on a good mask design & are supposed to release instructions for making it soon

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 8:05am

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    ao

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    you do not need a pulse oximeter

    Just like you didn't need masks.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/pulse-oximeters-home-track-coronavirus-symptoms/story?id=69939772&cid=clicksource_4380645_4_heads_hero_live_headlines_hed

    You are all stupid and incapable of thinking for yourselves.

    Listen to and obey your authorities without question.

    Quash any impulse towards thinking and acting independently.

    We'll let you know what to do next … just as soon as we figure it out.

    But above all, continue washing your hands.  Wash, wash, wash, wash, wash.

    Over and out.

    Your government and government appointed experts

     

     

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 8:16am

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    Particle Size

    Yesterday when I was getting some emergency gas cans filled for the generator I smelled the gas through the mask I was wearing. Does that mean it is no longer effective and should be discarded? Thanks in advance for your help.

    Raw gasoline, like propane is odorless. They add chemicals that make it smell so we don't blow ourselves up. Like perfume. These are molecules. The virus particles are much larger. I believe something like 10x bigger.

    I've seen conservative estimates that you can use a mask 20 times. A big factor is wear and moisture, either of which will degrade the material. If you are sterilizing the masks in the oven, then any moisture concerns should be addressed.

    There is a third factor, which is electrostatic filtration. Basically the mask has a small charge like socks out of the dryer which helps pull the virus particles to the material weave. Not sure what repeated use and sterilization does there.

    Considering your are immune compromised, I would probably set up 10 or so masks and use just time to sterilize, not heat. That would be your best option if you have the masks. If not, then a slightly used N95 is going to be much better than a cloth or handmade cotton one.

    I will say, one mask company ran their filters thru 3x daily disinfection with alcohol for 180 days with no loss except for the ink running.

     

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 8:31am

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    Rex Dickerson

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    Martenson: The Prescient Sentinel

    I began logging the spread of the bio weapon virus around January 15 and started following Chris Martenson's video posts shortly thereafter. At that time, he was one of the few voices sounding the alarm. He correctly pointed out that the Chinese were lying and Hell was to follow. He was right on both accounts. The bottom line? Do not trust any government for truth. It is beyond its capability. Be prepared for the worst case scenario so you can take care of yourself and family.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 9:03am

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    Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is needed for Outpatients that test positive for CV-19

    As Jim H has mentioned, this is probably the most important step at this time to get things under control and get people back to work.

    The quick test kits are being produced. Anyone that tests positive should immediately be prescribed HCQ as outpatient even with no symptoms. That and wearing masks, plus social distancing and those most vulnerable restricting their contact and movements. Instead of waiting for a miracle vaccine that is over a year away , this is a way to beat this thing today. Save lives and the economy.

     

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 9:19am

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    taz1999

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    moonofalabama

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I've generally liked moon of alabama reporting.  From their Corona blog is a somewhat amusing progression or reporting as you view early to later blog postings.  To MOA's credit they did not take down the early postings

    Previous Moon of Alabama posts on the issue:

    The Coronavirus - No Need To Panic - Jan 25 2020
    Novel Coronavirus Defies Conspiracy Theories As Data Shows Its Coming Decline - Feb 1 2020
    The Epidemic Recedes - Number Of New Coronavirus Cases In Decline - Feb 8 2020
    Coronavirus - Statistical Change Causes Confusion - New Case Count Continues To Decline - Feb 13 2020
    Coronavirus - The Decline Of New Cases Continues - Economic Ripples Begin To Emerge - Feb 21 2020
    As Virus Spreads Over The Planet Governments Are Slow To React - Feb 27 2020
    Coronavirus - Its Time To Press Your Government To React Faster - Feb 29 2020
    Coronavirus - Bad Preparation And Propaganda Increase The Onsetting Panic - Mar 6 2020
    Why Is The Coronavirus More Dangerous Than The Flu? - Mar 9 2020
    Coronavirus - The Hidden Cases - Why We Must Shut Everything Down And Do It Now - Mar 11 2020
    News-Nugget About The Coronavirus Pandemic - Mar 13 2020
    The Pandemic Will Cause A Global Depression - We Need Demand Side Measures To Counter It - Mar 16 2020
    Coronavirus - A Lockdown Is Not Enough - Mar 17 2020
    False Claims About The Novel Coronavirus And How To Debunk Them - Mar 19 2020
    Congress Grifters Profit From Crisis - Mar 20 2020
    Coronavirus - On Western Government Failures And Possible Therapies - Mar 21 2020
    Coronavirus - How To Lift Lockdowns And Why We Should All Wear Masks - Mar 23 2020
    More Bits On The Corona Crisis - Mar 26 2020
    U.S. Virus Cases Are Off The Scale - But Its People Can Build A Movement From This - Mar 31 2020
    China Did Not Deceive Us - Counting Death During An Epidemic Is Really Difficult- Apr 1 2020
    Why The U.S. Will Drown In Covid-19 Cases - Apr 2 2020

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 9:43am

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    AKTED

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    Proper Mask Fitment and Use from 3m

    Here is a good 1 page chart on the proper fitment of n95 mask. It also shows the proper way to put on and take off the mask. 3M also has some good videos on their site.

    http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/894897O/health-care-respirator-1860-1860s-wearitrightposter-english.pdf

    All the best,

    Ted

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 9:48am

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    I agree Loj.. just a point regarding the Zelenko protocol

    Dr. Zelenko for now is only prescribing to the high risk slice of his population that is presenting with symptoms, at least for now.   If I recall his stat's he had only prescribed to about 1/3 of his patients, and he is not waiting the three days (for now) that it takes to get a test result back to prescribe.  If you are presenting symptoms and over 60, he will prescribe.  If you are under 60 and have problems like diabetes and hypertension, he will prescribe.

    If we had enough of the drug, it would make sense to prescribe even more aggressively I think.  I surely think we should follow India's lead and give it to front line medical workers prophylactically, immediately.

     

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 10:31am

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    Kathy

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    Maybe consider another 7 minute video for new viewers, on basics of "not the flu"

    Have seen a comment or two that tells me new viewers are not absorbing all of the great info in the 60+ videos that are available on PP.  Since that is now a LOT of hours of viewing, it might help to do a shortie intro for new viewers on this, and maybe another on the financial basics of too much debt, and Ka-poom concepts.  Just a suggestion.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 10:32am

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    vshelford

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    Thank you thank you

    This video is fantastic for general sharing.  I've watched the people around me gradually go from complete ridicule of the idea of masks, to gradual dawning.  I will post it everywhere I can to keep the momentum going.  I was delighted to note an ER doctor in a town nearby in BC saying outright that the medical people need the medical grade masks for now, of which there are not enough, but home-made masks are a big help and everyone should wear them.  YES!

    This has been a major victory, and Peak Prosperity should get a big chunk of the credit.  Thanks again guys!

    And I hope all the excitement about hydroxychloroquine turns out to be justified and it's a silver bullet where it can be used safely.  But in the meantime, masks are simple and will definitely put a spoke in the wheels of the speeding virus.  Giving our collective immune systems time to gear up and bat it out.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 10:38am

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    Tucker Last Night?

    Didi anyone see Tucker last night?  He interviewed the Florida Emergency Dept Director who talked to 3M and its distributors but could not buy N95 respirators because foreigners were showing with with cash to buy supply.   So now we now why the masks cost so much.  Fine 3M Biggggly!

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 12:10pm

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    Mburns said:

    I’m sure he’ll pay the price by getting a big bonus and cushy pay out to step down.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 12:13pm

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    Extra-ordinary letter from my regional bank

    "...In our 130 years, we have navigated many economic cycles without a disruption in providing clients with access to their funds and I have complete confidence that will continue."

    Now that is really reassuring...not.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 12:14pm

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    And the last one on MoA

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/04/the-science-says-maskup-a-look-at-two-new-virus-studies.html#more

    Was a bit surprised at the first articles when Bernhard of MoA came out on the Coronavirus as he seems to have a good grasp on many things ongoing. But he has turned quickly...

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 12:26pm

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    Something To Think About

    The Cloward-Piven Strategy To Collapse America:

    Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people. HAPPENING NOW
    Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live. HAPPENING NOW
    Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty. HAPPENING NOW
    Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state. HAPPENING NOW
    Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives. (Food, Housing, and Income) HAPPENING NOW
    Education – Take control of what people read and listen to us“ take control of what children learn in school. ALREADY DONE
    Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools. ALREADY DONE
    Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor. HAPPENING NOW

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 12:55pm

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    Shortage of Masks and UV-C lights in Hospitals

    NYT has an interesting article on UV-C lights in Hospitals for UV germicidal irradiation.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-masks-reuse.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

    Several days ago I reported on home-made UV-C light (254 nm) for mask decontamination - here we have an example of larger scale usage of UV-C lights in hospital environments.

     

    Looks like it works for them !  They report irradiation times of 3-5 minutes.

     

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 12:57pm

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    drbost

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    CDC Info re N-95 Mask Decontamination (for possible mask re-use)

    This CDC document on N-95 mask decontamination methods appears to be intended for a professional audience as it contains discussions, tables, and references to research (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/ppe-strategy/decontamination-reuse-respirators.html#).  The document was reviewed on 4/01/20.

    Chris, you may want to review and comment on the usefulness of this info.  Would be appreciated.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 1:26pm

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    Wearing Masks Outside while walking or biking

    I agree completely with the video.  I would ADD that wearing a mask reduces the likelihood of inhaling an infectious particle.  It does not block all aerosolized particles but surely would lessen the risk.  The 3rd point Chris makes is similar.

    I have done a lot of walking around my neighborhood and do occasionally pass other walkers by 6 feet or more.  I agree that it is possible for my breath to hang in the air for 10 minutes or more BUT I do not think low population density outside areas require masks.  Yes, inside a store or interacting with other people but not necessarily taking a walk.  The question then is whether it helps with the idea that mask wearing is normal (it does) but taking a hike in the woods with a mask feels like overkill.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 1:37pm

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    kayth

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    Treatment plan doc v7 from China NHC

    Novel Coronavirus Pneumonia Diagnosis and Treatment Plan (Provisional 7th Edition)

    Not sure if this has been posted before but the above is an unofficial translation of this source: 新型冠状病毒肺炎诊疗方案(试行第七版)

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 1:51pm

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    Rinsing Fresh Produce and Grocery Packaging

    This recommends using just running water. No soap, nor bleach.

    https://www.livescience.com/do-not-wash-fruits-vegetables-with-soap.html

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 2:02pm

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    NicolaHNZ

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    This makes me angry

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/04/coronavirus-auckland-doctor-threatened-by-bosses-to-stop-wearing-extra-ppe-or-be-stood-down.html

    Honestly, this beggars belief!

    N

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 2:12pm

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    University Hospital Leuven - Belgium: New treatment very promising (DAWN-study)

    The University Hospital at Leuven, Belgium is on to something good. They are testing a very potent antiviral drug on a big group of Covid patiënts. The antiviral was discovered in the DAWN (Direct Antivirals Working Against nCoV)-study. They havent released the name of the drug yet but will do when the results are confirmed. Fingers crossed.

    https://www.uzleuven.be/en/news/large-scale-leuven-research-coronavirus-and-covid-19

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/04/bill-and-melinda-gates-fund-study-into-finding-coronavirus-cure

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 2:36pm

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    Smelling gasoline

    Ted,

    No, the fact that you can smell gasoline through your mask is not evidence that the mask is not working. The molecules that make up gasoline are very small and will make it past the fibers that filter out viruses. Also, the gasoline molecules are electrically neutral, so they will not be attracted to the charged material in the mask.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 3:48pm

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    NicolaHNZ

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    Info re virus coming from the Lab?

    Has anyone already posted these and if so, do we have a view?

    https://www.sciencealert.com/genome-analysis-of-the-coronavirus-suggests-two-viruses-may-have-combined

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 3:53pm

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    Sparky1

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    Chris' newest video, live now, "Is The Coronavirus Causing The Great Depression 2.0"(4/3/20)

    Is The Coronavirus Causing The Great Depression 2.0? (4/3/20)

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 4:37pm

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    Full STOP!

    Agreed, perfectly logical end of story. You had me weeks ago when you said :that South Korea as an aside had NO regular seasonal flu cases as a result of wearing a mask to fight the Honey Badger virus and 0 (zero) season flu patients screamed of the value of wearing the mask. Today I went to pick up some meds I have to take. I was screened before entering the pharmacy. As I went to the counter to get my meds as my wife dropped off my script an hour before so I wouldn't have to wait, I was waited on by the teller who wasn't wearing a mask!!! I know, stupid. I said to her that she must see 200 people during her shift if not more and she doesn't wear a mask! I said you're crazy, that I don't want to breath her spew, that she was going to get sick, no if's and's or but's. So, I insisted she get one and put it on and I stood 10 feet from her. She refused, made light of it and I like this person, I have known her 20 years or so. So I insisted louder and had the manager come to assist us. I told her that if the teller didn't care about herself that she needs to care about me and others, that she needed to put on a mask. She refused and I insisted the manager, who was wearing a mask to process me. The Folks in the room with me were attentive and one lady and one gentlemen started to clap. Before I left the lady that initially waited on me put on a mask. I told them that Chris M., who has done a whole series on this at PP and could be viewed on U-tube for free has done a remarkable job at logically and with a data series of evidence should prove to all that wearing a mask is the way to go. So, I had a grand ole time explaining to hospital staff that it is imperative that they think for themselves and look at the logic of it all and to really focus and to leave their strange character flaws outside the building. That I don't care if you believe in this at all, it should be an easy jump to thinking a mask protects me and my mask protects you. I respectfully wore my mask so I wouldn't get the teller sick and she damn well better wear a mask to protect me regardless of what she thinks. Once again, the people agreed with me and shamed her to change her mind. We must police ourselves if it becomes necessary. Thank you Chris and Adam, I believe in you, come back every day because you matter, you are our treasure and I must support your work because I believe in your work. I am certain Chris you would rather be with your lovely bride, getting your nest organized with your stuff and spending time together just imagining a full life together. Yet, you take 10 hours of every day doing the right thing by trying to help others. You are inspirational and Evie gets included in all of this too as well as Adam's entire family but especially his Lady as well. We all make sacrifices, my Lady is front and center and the shit is really hitting the fan at the hospital now. My job is to help her decompress and to listen and allow her, almost insist that she dump all her stuff on my lap so she remains healthy and has my support. Barb is tough, a remarkable Women, thankfully mine and I have never, ever loved her more or been a better friend. WOW! As an aside: What has amazed me and is a truthful data set, 9 out of 10 good folks that test positive have been Black at that her floor has treated. Men are being tested positive 2 to 1 to the Lady's. Obviously it has to do with staying the Fuck home, wearing a mask when out and distancing. But, still, too many Blacks for my understanding. I just found this stat to be unusual and I really have no idea what unusual is in this regards but it caused me to say "really"! Be safe. Wear a mask. FULL STOP! Peace

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 5:09pm

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    Must Have Existing Loan

    Re: new video

    They cynic in me says the catch is, if you apply for one of these SBAloans, the money won't go directly to you, but will be used to pay down an existing loan with the bank.

    Their excuse will be look we lightened your expenses (and got the money for ourselves, sucker!).

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 5:25pm

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    re: Full STOP!

    plan for tomorrow, I suspect it was corporate pharmacy policy to forbid employees from wearing masks, so as not to scare their customers.  There are hospitals even now that are forbidding staff from wearing PPE, unless it is a known COVID case, again for PR purposes.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 5:31pm

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    Re: Must have existing loan

    DTrammel - this is really bringing out the very worst behavior in bankers, or at least exposing it to the light of day - again.

    They are displaying zero compassion to people in a time of extraordinary crisis, nor are they showing any gratitude for being bailed out in 2008.

    Their true stripes are showing.

    Yes, it's as pathetic as it seems.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 5:52pm

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    A Pat On The Back Of Chris and Adam

    As we enter a new phase of this crisis, where finally the Administration and TPTB are waking up to the fact that their own survival can be very much at stake here, I wanted to give a shout out to Chris and Adam for their coverage of this from the beginning.

    Most of us here I'm sure are in a much better shape than we would have been, thanks to their hard work and perseverance in spreading the word on what danger was coming and how to prepare for it.

    Just yesterday I got into a FB discussion, where the opposing view was "There was no way WE (aka Trump and Co) could have known what was coming. The Chinese lied!"

    I pointed out that "I" knew back in late January to take this seriously.

    I don't have any idea of what the World', the Country's and my own situation will be like in the coming months but I do know it will be in a much better place than it would have been if I wasn't a reader of Peak Prosperity.

    Big Ups Guys, Well Done!

    Now keep it up...

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 5:59pm

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    Vermont Orders Walmart To Not Sell Garden Supplies - Get Your Quickly

    The argument is to stop selling "non-essentials" but notice they include garden supplies.

    https://www.wthr.com/article/vermont-orders-walmart-target-stop-selling-non-essential-items-store

    Funny those areas are exactly the places you should be shopping in. Open spaces, no roof, plenty of room, essential food producing goods.

    Get the stuff you need for your garden this next week.

    ADDED: Ontario shuts down community gardens

    https://theenergymix.com/2020/04/01/community-gardeners-object-after-ontario-deems-food-production-recreation-during-pandemic-sign-on/

    More at Ice Age Farmer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2nUB_TFL0U

    Beef processing plants closed.

    Egg carton shortage prevents eggs from getting to the stores.

    Closed LA restaurants try selling their unused produce on the street. LA says NO.

     

     

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 5:59pm

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    tourcarve, i think this has become standard operating procedure for the CV crisis

    Almost every institution (banks, credit unions, brokerage houses) where I have money has sent me one of these "reassurance letters".  Yeah, these letters plus the FDIC coming out and telling us that we shouldn't be taking money out of the banks don't do a lot for my confidence either.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 6:13pm

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    Chris Martenson

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    A Well Done Honey Badger Virus Video

    I really love the way the creator told the story here and spliced Stuffle the HB in at key moments to break the tension and make the point.

    Awesome.

    🙂

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 6:33pm

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    What Would You Have Us Do JimH?

    I am getting tired of the lack of focus on the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine.

    What would you have us do there JimH? Honestly what do you think Chris getting on the HC band wagon would do? Its not going to stop us from getting the virus, unlike his focus on Masks4All. Its not going to keep people fed in the Fall when the food supply chain falters, unlike Chris' focus on getting us to plant gardens. Its not going to help people survive, like his focus on putting away a deep pantry.

    I don't particularly want to hear about top-down cures, that me and mine can't benefit from at the moment, nor clammers for research and science studies that keep me alive two years from now, when I can end up dead today but I don't mind if some of you want to discuss it. I can scroll past it.

    Chris will cover what he wants to cover. If you no long find this site useful, then what you do is your choice.

    EDITED: Removed a bit of the post, that was a bit harsh.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 6:38pm

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    planfortomorrow said:

    Jim, you are spot on, it should have begun on the first date back on the 20th of January I believe when Chris first showed that I believe someone in China recommended that it go into the next study. Hydroxy-Chloroquine I believe holds the key and we would have already proven its merits. It has to be proven, so I agree with doing a study but still use it. My wife has used it for two weeks and might now be part of the story, it's rumored to be. I'll get that soon enough during dinner, I hope. Yes, "Emergency" and frankly a very professional comment and I believe you are correct. Thank you Jim. Be Safe

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 6:44pm

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    David T/ ?Who knew?

    David, if you remember back (whew!!) to the beginning of January, North Korea was threatening a nuclear confrontation and Kim said he was going to send us a "present". Then there were the continuing weeks of the impeachment ordeal.  All the while the virus was cooking and spreading.  Well, Trump is only human.  At least, we are not yet in WWIII on top of every thing.  The back biters and treasonous? holdovers from the previous administration have been very unhelpful.  (Case in point that [email protected]$##+$$ that loaded infected people on the plane returning from the Japan cruise ship.)

    I am very unsure if I would vote for Trump again.  Not a good role model, refusing to wear a mask, among other things.  But as per normal, I am as always, reduced to voting for the lesser of the evils.  Thank you for all you do.

    Edit: Now, butthinking more, this probably is WWIII, maybe accidental or on purpose.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 6:56pm

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    Went shopping today- first time in almost 3 weeks

    Really didnt get out much in the last 2-3 weeks.  Store shelves still look as bad as they were weeks ago.  Almost no meat at the meat counter.    Not a single box of pasta in the whole store ( besides bean, soy pasta )  Not a bag of flour in the whole grocery store.  The store was very busy.  A few people with masks.  (15%)  but most without.  not sure if its because they dont have them.. Distancing signs all over.  Some people not paying attention to it.. but many do.    But some people bringing their kids and whole family in the store.  kids climbing and hanging on carts , checkout counters.. etc// touching everything and touching face.. I couldn't hardly watch it..   Some people seem very observant and others entirely clueless.

    Also went to home center. It was really busy as well.  Again few people wearing masks , I did see one employee with a mask..   Its getting better. but not what we need when you see this many people close to each other.. I am thinking.. this busier than Usual.. what is up.. if I shop once per 3 weeks.. how often are they all shopping , something doesnt add up.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 6:57pm

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    I know what I'm spending MY stimulus check on

    https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2020/04/01/1200-stimulus-check-exact-amount-required-to-build-a-guillotine-apparently?

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 7:06pm

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    dreinmund said:

    Coincidentally, I too went shopping today for the first time in 2.5 weeks. I was wearing N95 face mask and goggles. Most people were not wearing fac3 masks, including grocery store employees. Doesn’t make sense to me.

    Availability of items was good - the only thing sold out was tissues and toilet paper (still ???).

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 7:35pm

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    Not impressed.

    Parts of it were good, most of it devolved to the blame game. I have no trust in the media, particularly CNN and MSN, both having completely downplayed the threat early on.  Well, at least I understand where your political sympathies lie now.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 7:45pm

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    yagasjai

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    Went Shopping Today Too

    I went out today for the first time in 15 days. I joined a CSA as close to my house as I could find, which is doing social distancing, all employees were wearing masks and gloves and you can only pick up your order outside. Today was my first pick up. Everyone I saw there had some form of PPE. This seems like a better option than having to go into a grocery store in coming weeks, but for right now it's only root veggies pretty much.

    However, there were a few items I needed that the CSA didn't have in stock and many items my mother needed, so I actually talked to my doctor in advance to see if she thought delivery or going into a store was the better option. She said I had more control if I went myself, and that it was probably actually safer now than it was the last time I was out because some stores are now limiting the number of people inside and wiping everything down. There are two stores locally that I know of doing that. I called ahead to see which had the items I needed, and I wore my N95, goggles and gloves.

    Since the last time I was in a store, a lot more people were wearing masks. But it was alarming how many people were not. And even though they were regulating the number of people in the store at the front door, there seemed like way too many people and the check out line was very long on account of everyone standing 6 feet apart, which was marked on the floor in blue tape. You wouldn't know that until you were already inside. Now I know.

    It really is a strategy issue of not being sure how long we will need to stay in (I planned for 2-3 months, but it looks longer than that now) and at what point we won't be able to get more of essentials. If it is better to go now, in full gear, and fully decontaminating everything upon walking in the door, or if it's better to go with what we have on hand even if we run low if we are in for longer than we had planned. I know a lot of people who are doing delivery or only curb side pick up only, and now that I know what it was like at the store today, may opt for that myself next time.

    But I also heard that Trump finally said that people should wear "non-medical" face coverings, which seems significant! Way to go Chris! I wasn't expecting that from him any time soon, so well done! Even if it stops short of advising everyone to actually wear masks.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 8:16pm

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    Ventilator stat

    NY’s Governor Cuomo stated that once on a ventilator, chance of survival is 20%.

    From what I’ve read, longest time to be on is around 2 weeks. After 2 weeks, chances get really slim.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 8:52pm

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    peer-reviewed vaccine Pitt-Med

    This was good news to me. Hope it's not too redundant.

    "The paper appeared April 2 in eBioMedicine, which is published by The Lancet, and is the first study to be published after critique from fellow scientists at outside institutions that describes a candidate vaccine for COVID-19. "

    https://www.pittwire.pitt.edu/news/covid-19-vaccine-candidate-shows-promise-first-peer-reviewed-research

    "Compared to the experimental mRNA vaccine candidate that just entered clinical trials, the vaccine described in this paper—which the authors are calling PittCoVacc, short for Pittsburgh CoronaVirus Vaccine—follows a more established approach, using lab-made pieces of viral protein to build immunity. It’s the same way the current flu shots work. " This avoids RNA virus issues.

    They vetted the process for scalability as a first step, it's looking good with mice.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 9:29pm

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    Gloves

    Chris, you didn't mention the use of gloves. Is there any advantage in wearing gloves? I did do this on my first visit to a store for groceries but not the second time as I couldn't think of a benefit. I can sanitize my hands as I go in and at any time during the shop but with gloves, all I can do is transfer any infection from object to object, including to my face, if I touch it. It seems that bare hands are no worse than gloves and possibly better. But I'm keen to read other views.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 9:54pm

    yagasjai

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    Benefit of Gloves

    I have super dry hands in the winter, even now, with all the hand washing. Sometimes my knuckles crack. My doctor said it is eczema and to use hand cream, which I do now, and my hands are doing better in terms of dryness. But I also have a lifelong habit of picking my cuticles, especially when I am stressed! Stopping this habit proves to be even harder than not touching my face. So when I am out I have taken to wearing gloves. Any cut or abrasion could be a way in.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 10:01pm

    yagasjai

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    Washing Veggies

    I remember there was a post quite a while back about women in Africa always using a bleach solution on veggies before putting them away in order to prevent Ebola. I was not able to find that post today when I looked. I wanted to know what the concentration was of bleach to water. I remember the person who posted said it smelled mildly of chlorine. But I don't remember if they gave a ratio or said to look it up online. I looked it up and found quite a range of possible ratios. But I remember the post said to forget about salad. So I would like to hear if anyone knows the correct bleach to water ratio and how long you have to leave the veggies in it. Or if scrubbing with hot soapy water is good enough. Seems like soap undoes the fatty part of the cell in the virus, so if it works on hands, then why wouldn't it work on veggies? Except that's not what the poster said about Ebola in Africa. It was specifically a bleach solution. I am also wondering if the article you posted dtrammel about just washing veggies in water is making the assumption that the water is chlorinated? And if so, if the regular water supply has enough chlorine in it to make adding bleach unnecessary. Any guidance on this would be appreciated.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 10:56pm

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    How to Significantly Slow Coronavirus? #Masks4All

    excellent short video from Czech republic (in English)

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:52am

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    Mask filters

    Thanks for the suggestion.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 3:18am

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    Airborne? Not Airborne? / Viral Load Getting Recognition

    Long article at The Atlantic on both sides of the issue

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/coronavirus-pandemic-airborne-go-outside-masks/609235/

    I'm assuming its airborne and acting accordingly. If I'm wrong, I'm better off.

    ---

    Second, looks like someone's finally recognizing what Chris has spoken about, exposure to higher concentrations of the virus are bad. Can we say "Masks4All"?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/opinion/coronavirus-viral-dose.html

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 6:05am

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    Yagasjai

    Ordinary tap water does NOT have enough chlorine in it to kill bacteria or viruses. In India we used a product called Medichlor and it took just a few drops in a bowl of water.

    You have to rinse it well with clean water. The following is a link on cleaning veggies with bleach. There are tons of resources out there in cyber space on how to do it.

    https://kathleeniscookinginmexico.wordpress.com/tag/how-to-clean-fruits-and-vegetables-with-bleach/

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 7:23am

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    yagasjai, how's your omega-3 fatty acid intake?

    I notice that very often when people have dry, cracking skin, their dietary intake of omega-3 fatty acids is deficient.  Hand creams can help symptomatically but they don't address the cause.  It's what comes from inside you that nourishes and maintains the health of the skin.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 8:42am

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    No Sew Mask from Bandana & Hair Ties (or Rubber Bands) in 1 Minute

    In case you haven't seen this one, much better looking than the t-shirt mask solution I posted the other day:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=476TGARSSS4

     

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 9:55am

    yagasjai

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    Any way to kill virus without killing bacteria?

    Thanks for this info. Very helpful. In reading the article you posted, I can't help but wonder what it will do to all of our microbiomes (gut flora) if we kill all the bacteria on the food we eat? I've read that living in such sterile circumstances can make a mess of our microbiome which is required to help us produce different components that our bodies need. I've heard recommendations from people like Dr. Mark Hyman who has said to pick food up off the floor and eat it because we are missing so much variation in what comes into our systems by living in sterile circumstances. (This was before Covid-19!) Humans evolved in relationship with the bacteria in our environment, so killing the bacteria, has an effect on our systems. Certainly in terms of disease prevention, but also in terms of how our bodies work. So I am now wondering if there is a way to kill the virus but not bacteria? If you use regular soap, which breaks down the fatty membrane of the virus particle, I would think a 20 sec scrub would work the same way on veggies as it does on our hands, but without killing the potentially beneficial bacteria.

    But all of this goes back to what Chris has been saying about growing your own food, where you know what went into it and how it was handled, before it hits your dinner plate. And if you're in a situation like I am, at a condo complex, where you don't have a right to dig up the land without approval of the condo association, then a CSA may be a good option. I still prefer to grow my own and will be working here to see what might be possible in terms of putting in some raised beds.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 10:01am

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    Impossible

    Somehow I can't see the practicality in everyone making or wearing a mask of the N24 standard.   A home made rag wrapped over your face only adds a few percent to your safety margin, distance and limited contact works a lot better.  Besides everyone seems to forget you also need to wear goggles because covid19 can spread through the eyes.

    In any case "we should all wear masks" foolishly assumes there is even enough material about to create the 8 to 10 billion or so recyclable masks needed by most of the world.  One has to ask if there is even enough cotton, rubber and filter paper in the world to support such reckless advice.  Of course that is before we extend the argument to disposable masks.

    Maybe for people limited to a Cadillac-insurance moral conscience it's ok to stock pile masks and gloves at the expense of the nurses and doctors on the front line, struggling to get by as it is.   Perhaps repeating the mantra:  "To hell with everyone, I'm just more important", is all such people need to find peace before going to sleep each night.

    I posit PP should consider moving discussion back to more cerebral matters. Then instead of appealing to preppers PP might focus on exposing the questions that really need to be asked, like how we got here as a species?  Perhaps the perfect storm of human decline and disease we are witnessing was in fact the inevitable consequence of an ignorant and arrogant population finally reaching critical mass.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 10:21am

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    bolzano04 said:

    Chris, do you have a source/link for the video which appears on the left side of your screen when you are showing droplet flow from the mouth -- yesterday I viewed the full video which I think was made by a couple of guys in Japan but then I could not find it again. Thank you.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 10:38am

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    Hey DT - N95 Ethics and Should I Be Sorry for Not Being a Sheeple?

    I have yet be able to figure out how to start a thread, so maybe you could give me a clue on what buttons to punch. I wanted to start an ethics discussion, because I have not seen the topic come up and the search engine on this site is not very good.

    I came into this thing with boxes of N95's that I purchased more than 15  years or more ago (they are a stamped as expiring in 2005). I've given scores of individual masks away (including to my local grocery store clerks), and shipped many of them to family members and friends in other states. This was mostly accomplished before it became quite as clear that the hospitals and governments themselves are hoarding masks (not sure how I can consider myself a hoarder just for being a far-seeing prepper for decades, but I admit I am becoming uncomfortable). In talking to my health-care industry divorce clients, I am learning that many of them are being issued one mask, period, to be reused ad infinitum. I suspect that there are tons of us who are not newbies to preparation that have lots of masks still, including CBRN respirators such as these: https://bugoutroll.ca/collections/gas-masks/products/sge-400-3-bb-cbrn-gas-mask-medium-large. With the re-usability of the N95's seeming pretty solid, at least for trips to the store, it becomes a real dilemma about how many to hold on to (for use by other friends, some of whom are health-workers to whom I've offered some directly - after all, who knows if the mask they took home last night is the one that they are wearing the next day).

    I also have a fair amount of ammo. If the US military asked me to give them some, I'd prefer not. But if my neighbor needed some, that is why I have it.

    I have a strong suspicion that if I dropped off my remaining box of N95s at my local hospital, some admin person who toss them in with the remaining hoard and still only supply each worker one mask. On the other hand, if I knew they'd be immediately distributed, I'd drive them over now. I also am firmly convinced that bandanas or cloth masks are marginal at best.

    Any of you other long-term prudent planners wrestling with this? Anybody concerned that the next step in the war of the masks is shaming those wearing N95s? Sorry for not being a sheeple.

    Again, DT, if you could give me a hand on starting threads I'd appreciate it.

    TWA

     

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 10:48am

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    How silly...

    Are people seriously asking if their is enough resources to allow for the creation of cloth respirators for all?  If not, then there would not be enough resources to create the clothes humanity wears...or anything else people must obtain to survive.

    As for smart people having their own supply of respirators, if the medical professionals, whose expertise and daily tasking involves having a supply of respirators on hand...for their own safety...let alone that of their patients...AND...who have warned the public continuously about the danger of a new pandemic....for years and years...whose fault is it for them to not have a basic tool of their trade?  The fault is theirs, their administrators, and the fools pretending to be in charge of being ready to cope with this EXPECTED need.

    If people went to HOME DEPOT to buy DUST MASKS...to try and buffer themselves from complete exposure to a deadly virus...I say, "Good!"    There shall be LESS chance they shall become patients to the ill prepared professionals.

    One should not deprive  themselves  of this protection, and should only consider making available such protection available, which is  NOT required for their own needs.

    You want sacrifice from other than yourself?  Tough.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 11:00am

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    More vultures swooping in

    I got a letter today from a company called "HomeVestors" offering to buy my house, as is, at a discount, for cash, no commission, closing within 30 days. No HASSLES!  So there's folks already out there hoping they can make a killing off of folks forced to sell their house to get money since they've lost their job. Disgusting.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 11:01am

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    Ision

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    Military Gas Masks....

    Why is it the military has not issued gas masks to the critical operatives within the medical professions?  Why are these people begging for paper masks, held by weak elastic and string, instead of using a full-face gas mask, which can filter out every virus known?   Military masks can be used many times..and for many hours..before one replaces their filters.

    I have yet to see any image of any Doctor with one.   Tens of thousands of these masks are available, as are their filter replacements.

    But, if the military is getting ready for war...they might like to keep them.   This must be why.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 11:03am

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    TWA.. to start a thread

    You have to do it from the forums... create a new forum topic under one of the forum type headings.  I am about to do this now because I am just fed up with the globalist deep state efforts to hamstring the ability of hydroxychloroquine to stop the fall the US... so going forward I am going to make my HDQ posts in one string so they don't get dispersed and lost.  Anyway, best regards, Jim

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 11:11am

    Ision

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    So, Saving People In Financial Trouble Is Disgusting?

    Seems like  a great thing to do, to me.

    If one is going to lose their home, due to default, they can file bankruptcy and try to arrange to keep it, else try to sell it to recapture as much equity they can.

    Making an offer is perfectly fine.  No one is forced to accept an offer.  One can make a counter-offer, or seek another remedy.

    I have absolutely no problem with profit...whatsoever.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 11:18am

    Yoxa

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    Masks

    firmly convinced that bandanas or cloth masks are marginal at best

    They add a modest improvement for protecting the wearer and a big improvement for reducing droplets spread by the wearer. That's their biggest value.

    If we need to go out, my mask protects you, yours protects me.

    We have a small stash of N95s and other masks in our woodworking shop. We have given some away and will hang on to some. We've started to create home-made fabric masks, with copper wire in the bridge of the nose which can be bent to improve the fit. Copper because that's what we have on hand ... removable for washing. We'll give away some of those too.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 11:41am

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    Jim H. On organizing info

    Jim H...I agree that a way to find info would be to have a dedicated Forum topic. One for HDQ, one for “Masks”...One for “ozone”. Maybe I don’t know how to use this site, but I often can’t find posts that I remember are relevant cause they are put in whatever topic heading is current. Thanks for doing this.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 11:44am

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    phoenixl, these companies have been around a long time

    I was on the East Coast in the fall (before the CV crisis hit) and noted signs and ads of this type all over the place.  They capitalize on people not wanting to take the time to clean out and fix up a home to get it ready for market and/or who have to sell quickly.  Out of curiosity (since I was going to be in the position of having to sell a house in the area), I called one up.  The price was way too low for me to consider but, to a certain extent, that lower price is understandable when you understand that they have to do the cleaning out and fixing up, are putting their capital at risk, and still have to make a profit.  It's basically like a one way pawn shop for houses.  A bit seedy and a bit predatorial but nothing horrible.  It's similar to a bank charging a higher interest rate on a loan to someone who is a high credit risk.  You really can't expect them to charge the normal interest rate and take an increased risk.  That being said, the last thing I am is a defender of banks but I'm playing devil's advocate here.

     

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:07pm

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    160 F DESTROYED MY N95 MASKS!!!!

    I put in 4 x N95 masks in the oven, set at 160F. Within 5 minutes a smell was coming out and now they are all shrivelled up and ruined!!!! Great, just great. Why didn't I just try 1 to start?

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:16pm

    John Wick

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    masks

    Thanks Jim!

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:20pm

    John Wick

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    Military gas masks

    Exactly right, Ision. Those masks are PURRFECT for expectorating patients. I've got mine and thought I should donate it to my local hospital (they are not cheap, nor are the filters) but FEMA will hold them back anyway, and while the feds have tons they would  still come to steal ours!

    Just sayin.... and ventilating abit, pun intended. (But no disrespect meant - just frustrated by governmental inaction).

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:21pm

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    Did You Check The Temperature?

    Sorry to hear that Mark. I don't know what to tell you but I've run 4-5 of the 3M N95 with the plastic vents now thru my oven, 2 now twice without damage. I did put a cooking thermometer in there first. My oven ran about 10 degrees hot from the mark on the dial. Can you take a picture of the type of mask? Here is the ones I have.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:25pm

    TurquoiseRose

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    N95 Mask Shortages- How to handle surplus

    We have sent individual family members who are nurses some N95 masks and cloth covers.

    They were not getting any.  We are only giving to individuals known to us.  If a neighbor wants one for a family member then we are supplying that person.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:28pm

    dtrammel

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    People Don't Use The Forums

     

    Jim H…I agree that a way to find info would be to have a dedicated Forum topic. One for HDQ, one for “Masks”…One for “ozone”. Maybe I don’t know how to use this site, but I often can’t find posts that I remember are relevant cause they are put in whatever topic heading is current. Thanks for doing this.

    People don't seem to use the dedicated forums. I asked Adam to set one up for Covid19 at the start of this, and tried promoting it. People just kept posting on the main threads.

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forums/peakprosperity-discussions/general-discussion-and-questions/living/coronavirus-covid-19-preparation/

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:35pm

    John Wick

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    DT: The site is very difficult to navigate and use - somebody needs to bring order to the force!

    DT - seriously, I am having a real hard time figuring out how to post threads, or in which existing threads to post. I love C and A, but somebody needs to bring order to the force. I think that will be you and them. Let's get this sorted out!

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:41pm

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    Mark_BC said:

    Our supreme leader medical health officer Dr. Henry has just gotten up and said that the evidence, which she has reviewed and discussed many times, shows that asymptomatic infectivity is very low compared with symptomatic infectivity. Can anyone provide a quick link to evidence showing the contrary? How could the R0 be so high without asymptomatic infectivity?

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:46pm

    Mrs. Presley

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    Agree!

    This Site is leaving me feeling like a dummy, not able to maneuver!!

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:48pm

    Rajkumarijay

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    Disinfecting masks in the oven

    I disinfected 3 masks together yesterday. The lowest oven setting I had was 175 and I used the convection setting. I placed a piece of parchment paper on a cookie sheet and baked for 30 minutes. They came out fine. I did not test my actual oven temperature but it is a newer oven so I took a chance it was accurate. It’s too bad your masks didn’t make it Mark.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:51pm

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    I know DT..

    It doesn't matter in my case.. I will be posting to the thread I have created quite often.. and it will be kept in view by me alone.  I am going to channel my anger, my angst, my death wish for the deepstate into this thread.  I am not going to try to post to random threads anymore - rather I am going to try to create something of my own.  I need to do this .. I need an outlet.  I am a collector and triangulator (is that a word?) of data... few seem able to see the world through my eyes, and many get outright mad when they start to.. so be it.  It is what it is.  The elites of the world operate in ways few can imagine.  Dr. Dave Janda has conjectured that Epstein was only the tiny tip of the iceberg when it comes to deepstate compromise agents..

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:51pm

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    Dtrammel on Threads

    I think threads need to be very narrow in focus. “Covid19” is so broad there are thousands of posts.....whereas something specific like “UV sterilizer machines” would be searchable and specific.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:51pm

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    Mark_BC said:

    It was a toaster oven with a heat setting. We put them in and turned it on. It's possible it wasn't getting even heating or something like that. I should have first tried with only one mask or put in a cooking thermometer for the first run. It did not feel very hot when I opened it up. I was careless since the setting was only 160 F which is at the low end of the range that people are using and I didn't realise how easy it is to overcook them.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:53pm

    Dutch Boomer

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    European report March 30

    herd immunity

    Spain 15%

    Italy 10%

    Germany <1 %

    R0 3,5

    (all above average)

    see

    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/mrc-gida/2020-03-30-COVID19-Report-13.pdf

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 12:54pm

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    I’m with you Jim H.

    Looking forward to your posts on HDQ.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 1:02pm

    Mrs. Presley

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    Hanging My Masks

    I don’t have many N95s (sent some to family members) so I’ve been hanging them in the order in which they were worn for 7-9 days and letting (hopefully) the virus deactivate.
    Would like to hear any thoughts y’all may have on the efficacy of surgical masks. I did see a YouTube of a small study and the outcome between the 2 was comparable rates of disease transmission among health care workers, all of whom were dealing with highly infective patients.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 1:05pm

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    Thank you so much Oliveoil...

    That really means a lot to me... I know my holy anger gets me in trouble here at times... I do my best.  A sincere Thank You

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 1:16pm

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    Complete outrage - 4th turning style

    Colorado just had 500 Ventilators confiscated by the feds.. They only have a 750, and a need for 10,000.   When did the federal government take away the authority of the state.. This is against our constitution.    This is exactly the big arm of the federal govt to undo - exactly what our forefathers intended for our states.

    I assure you this will not go to citizens.. It will go to the rich , congressmen and the like.

    as a footnote,  I do not really want a vent myself.  Personally, I think no one should get one, and problem solved.  There is no real evidence that it increases chance of survival in this disease.  Approximately 90% on vents die.   So either they are waiting much to long to vent someone , or they dont really help.  That needs to be determined.  But by current treatment guides its not a solution.  And those that do survive, they will likely be disabled and impaired severely.

     

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 1:49pm

    Rajkumarijay

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    Guillotine

    And after you build it you can bake a cake...

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 2:41pm

    VegasJim

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    Hanging Masks

    Mrs. Presley,

    I hang ( 9days) and bake my masks as well.  I found a pretty good article from the creator of the N95 mask that covers a little bit of medical mask  information:

    https://utrf.tennessee.edu/information-faqs-performance-protection-sterilization-of-face-mask-materials/?fbclid=IwAR2jcPrfdYe73mwkCUMK_XxFIrWaChrxwC2ZhlSm62m-EqfbNcAmB4wUeiE

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 3:12pm

    Sparky1

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    Chris' newest video, "Expert Virologist: Everything You Need To Understand About Coronavirus" (4/4/20)

    Expert Virologist: Here's Everything You Need To Understand About Coronavirus (4/420)

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 7:13pm

    alanrgreenland

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    RE Get Your Gardening Supplies NOW

     

    Thanks, dtrammel, for the warning.  I made a big online order from Menards last weekend; it was delivered mid-week.  I had to pay $89 for the delivery, but it was two pallets of stuff (mostly soil amendments -- increasing my garden by 150%), and, frankly, it would have been worth the delivery charge in normal times (probably would have taken me at least 5 trips in my car, and many hours, with lots of lifting!).  Not sure whether they will cut things off here, but I got what I needed most this week.

    Planted my new elderberry bushes yesterday (ordered those a few weeks ago).  Won't bear anything this year, of course, but always thinking of the longer term.  Ordered a small additional freezer today (back-ordered; available mid-May), and another supply of freeze-dried food (also a few weeks for delivery).

    Starting to sink in that this may very likely be a six-to-twelve-month deal (maybe 18?).  Thinking I will make a grocery store trip in another few days -- after mask wearing becomes more the norm rather than the exception.

    We are pretty well prepped, but nobody is perfect.  The window for re-stocking may close completely in another month or two.  A lot of supply chains are failing now.

    Be well, everyone.

     

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 7:21pm

    dtrammel

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    Leaked DHS Food Chain Task Force Document - 4/4/2020

    Does not look pretty. Expect shortages by the middle of May.

    https://www.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-may-cause-some-food-shortages-says-government-document-223308504.html

    From IceAgeFarmer:

    Reports of panic buying in China developing.

    Consider going back to 3-4 days a week going out, picking up a grocery bag or 2 of preservable food and increasing your deep pantry.

    Also consider establishing an off site, perhaps a friend with some basement space or a family member for redundancy. You don't want to lose your entire stock if you have a home fire or a break in. Divide up your stock of essentials (masks, cleaning supplies, ammo, FOOD) and store part of it someplace else.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 8:07pm

    alanrgreenland

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    RE Long Emergency

     

    Thanks again, detrammel, for another warning.  The rest of this weekend is going to be about making a plan to extend my preps even further.  And making a plan to go shopping (w/PPE).  Went out this morning for the first time in 2 weeks (without leaving the car).  Now will have to go into the stores, and will probably need to make multiple trips, on different days, to get everything we need.

    Interestingly, I spent more than an hour today on the phone with credit card companies -- they are declining my online purchases because they flag them as potentially fraudulent.  I have one card restored now.  The other (I generally only use two) made me send picts of my driver's license, and said it may take 7-9 days before I can use my card again!  So beware of that -- the banks are protecting themselves, and don't give a darn about you (even if you've been a customer for more than 25 years).  I may apply for a third card tomorrow, too -- just to have that extra back-up option.

    Best of luck to all.

     

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 9:50pm

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    Follow Up on Cats and Ferrets Being Covid19 Susceptibility

    There is a pre-peer review paper making the news which claims cats and ferrets can acquire the Covid19 virus.

    Here is the link to the American Vet Medicine Association's post on it:

    https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/animal-health-and-welfare/covid-19

    Of note is this paragraph:

    While two dogs (Hong Kong) and two cat (one in Belgium and one in Hng Kong) living with people diagnosed with COVID-19 have been reported to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2, other dogs and cats also living with infected people remain uninfected. New research articles have been posted to open-access sites on an almost daily basis that describe preliminary results suggesting some domestic animals can be experimentally infected with SARS-CoV-2 and may transmit the virus to other animals in an experimental setting or mount a viral-specific immune response when exposed to SARS-CoV-2. However, caution should be taken to not overinterpret results described in such articles, some of which may report on data from a very small number of animals or provide only preliminary results, and not extrapolate those results for the potentisl for SARS-CoV-2 to naturally infect or be transmitted by companion animals kept as pets. To date the CDC has not received any reports of pets or other animals becoming sick with COVID-19 in the United States. Infectious disease experts and multiple international and domestic human and animal health organizations continue to agree there is no evidence at this point to indicate that pets, under natural conditions, spread COVID-19 to other animals, including people.

     

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  • Sun, Apr 05, 2020 - 3:31am

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    planfortomorrow said:

    Henny Penny, 7 pharmacists and 2 tellers manned the area. Everyone else was wearing a mask. You are right to an extent, the nurses on my wife floor have been told, "that off their floor they don't need to wear a mask or outside the rooms" of the virus victims (this opinion has been replaced with wear mask's all the time but the N95's should be for the nurses who actually wait on virus patience). Here's the issue and a conversation my Lady had with a doctor telling her how this would save the use of wearing masks. Barb (wife) said: well, go out there and tell my staff as they were talking in Barb's office and she told this doctor that they would call "bullshit" on that. That the nurses would shame him into getting the F out of sight because he's a dumb ass! True story and not how my Lady normally handles her verbiage but, it's 'go time' so being polite don't always exist. Peace

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  • Sun, Apr 05, 2020 - 6:06am

    dtrammel

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    The Model Is Not The Virus

    Saw this today

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8188525/Top-White-House-health-official-warns-Americans-NOT-grocery-store-not-essential.html

    Full of graphs and charts and oh so many predictions down to the single digits of coming dead and the date. I'm surprised they didn't add a time.

    I might not be the best at statistic, being just an old machinist at heart, but if 40 years working blue collar in manufacturing the one thing I have learned is no matter your fancy degrees and studies, your model is missing something. Don't know what it is but there is something you've overlooked.

    And with this Administration, bet there is a whole lot they missed.

    Don't get false hopes up that this thing will be over anytime soon.

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  • Sun, Apr 05, 2020 - 6:10am

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    Dealing With Covid19 Among The Homeless

    At least they are thinking of something. Might not be the best option but I'll give them points for trying.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/las-vegas-parking-lot-homeless-shelter

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  • Mon, Apr 06, 2020 - 2:10pm

    borderpatrol

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    still early for me

    I've only been taking care of em for three weeks and so far looks bad, I'm guessing 50-80%

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