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Transferring power from institutions to individuals

Something momentous has happened in the 21st century, for the first time in history.

The cause is a force which has been unleashed by personal computers and the internet. This force, which I call CIC(kick) has been rapidly transferring power from institutions to individuals.

For the first time ever, individuals can have a very big say ... in everything. How to do this can be found on the website www.29thday.org.

The website also addresses questions like "Why do we feel disconnected from our government ... and how can we use CIC to reconnect?", "Why is the Federal Stimulus so slow and can CIC speed it up?", "Can CIC reduce cost AND improve quality in Health Care Reform?", "What is the 29th day".

We don't have a lot of time to learn about CIC and how to use it. The clock is ticking toward the 29th day .... tick ... tick ... tick.

When you get to www.29thday.org, click on BOOK.

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Re: Transferring power from institutions to individuals

I hope you take a few seconds to check out this website.

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Re: Transferring power from institutions to individuals

I kind of lost interest when I read the following in Chapter 3

I believe US Treasury Secretary Paulson saved the financial system from collapsing. And for that, we owe him our thanks.

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Re: Transferring power from institutions to individuals

Or how about this:

BUT WE MAKE THE ECONOMY WORK.

That is what Adam Smith, the father of modern economics realized. People like you and me, acting in our own self-interest, magically make the economy work.

What do all of these experts and institutions really do? They try to convince us to spend our money in a certain way. They try to figure out what will make us spend our money in a certain way. That is all they can do, because, in the end we are the ones who actually spend the money.

They have forgotten what Adam Smith said. They have forgotten what made our economy the greatest economy the world has ever seen.  They have forgotten that if we are allowed to spend our money in our own self-interest, magically, the economy works best.

 

29th, you picked the wrong site to try to push this crap!  You're part of the problem, not the solution.  BTW:  Are you Hank himself?  Sure give him a lot of credit when he is actually a damn lying thief!!!

My stomach started to churn harder and harder the further I read.  Ugh!  What a joke!Undecided

 

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Let me guess...

...you're an agent of Goldman Sachs?... or maybe 'The Fed'? Wink

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When somebody's having a conversation about economics and the word "magically" gets used twice in 3 short paragraphs...[shudder]...

Unless leprechauns are gonna save our economy?  Do they have a pollution-free device that creates endless energy out of old plastic shopping bags in that pot'o'gold?  That'd be magically delicious.

Viva -- Sager

Full disclosure:  I'm 1/4 Irish.  So I know from leprechauns.  Tongue out

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Re: Transferring power from institutions to individuals

29thdayman, have you even bothered doing the Crash Course....?

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29thdayman wrote:

Something momentous has happened in the 21st century, for the first time in history.

The cause is a force which has been unleashed by personal computers and the internet. This force, which I call CIC(kick) has been rapidly transferring power from institutions to individuals.

For the first time ever, individuals can have a very big say ... in everything. How to do this can be found on the website www.29thday.org.

The website also addresses questions like "Why do we feel disconnected from our government ... and how can we use CIC to reconnect?", "Why is the Federal Stimulus so slow and can CIC speed it up?", "Can CIC reduce cost AND improve quality in Health Care Reform?", "What is the 29th day".

We don't have a lot of time to learn about CIC and how to use it. The clock is ticking toward the 29th day .... tick ... tick ... tick.

When you get to www.29thday.org, click on BOOK.

 

I'm puzzled as to how you can say "This force, which I call CIC(kick) has been rapidly transferring power from institutions to individuals" when in fact the very opposite is happening!

And whilst it's interesting to note you seem to understand the doubling phenomenon which occurs in exponential growth, I'm afraid you haven't grasped thar fact that 95% of the populace is still not using the internet for other reasons than downloading porn and pirating music!

So on the 29th day, it won't be the people's enlightenment that will cover your lilly pond....... it will be the collapse of civilisation!

Mike

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My thanks to everyone for your comments. I have already incorporated them into Chapters 3 and 4.

The word "magically" in Chapter 4 was just  dumb and I have removed it.  I debated thanking Secretary Paulson in Chapter 3 but felt he had actually prevented a collapse. On reflection,  I have removed that sentence in Chapter 3, not only because of your comments but also because he used $700 billion of our money to do it.  I agree completely with the comment about institutions absorbing individual power,  as you will see in the last few lines of this comment. That is why I wrote this book.

You might be interested to know that this is the first time in my life that anyone has thought I was pro-government. But clearly several of you thought  that I was, and how the reader reacts to what I have written is what counts.

My apologies for not being clear enough. I would welcome further comments to improve what I have written.The book is online so that readers' comments can continually improve it.

Thank you for taking the time to help me out. I appreciate it.

By the way, my view is that the transfer of  power from institutions to individuals is what CIC is all about. The urgency I see in individuals learning about CIC and how to use it is that institutions are already feeling threatened by CIC and beginning to fight it  Right now, there are not enough individuals who know about CIC and how to direct it.

As I said in Chapter 5, " The clash between CI(concentrated power)I and CIC(distributed power) in the United States has already begun ...the Revolution that will determine whether or not we become a CI or a CIC United States of America."

Best regards,

George

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I'm puzzled as to how you can say "This force, which I call CIC(kick) has been rapidly transferring power from institutions to individuals" when in fact the very opposite is happening!

And whilst it's interesting to note you seem to understand the doubling phenomenon which occurs in exponential growth, I'm afraid you haven't grasped thar fact that 95% of the populace is still not using the internet for other reasons than downloading porn and pirating music!

So on the 29th day, it won't be the people's enlightenment that will cover your lilly pond....... it will be the collapse of civilisation!

Mike

Hey Mike.  For once I agree with everything you said!

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George,

Are you serious?  You have a LONG way to go in your understanding of what's taking place in todays world.  I suggest before you go any further in this endeavor to first, take the Crash Course.  I think you'll have a change of thought immediately.  Second, I suggest you go back into Dr. Martensens reports and read them ALL.  You'll again be taken aback with a "enlightenment" period.  Third, I suggest google "Zeitgeist" and watch the whole thing.  If you think of yourself as "religious" you may want to fast forward the first 33 minutes or so as I think that may shock your world a bit more than what you'd most likely be prepared.  But thereafter, watch with an open mind, a notebook to take notes in which you can cross examine the info, and an open mind.  Fourth and most importantly, ALWAYS keep your mind OPEN to information that may go against the very fabric of your beliefs!!!!  I can't stress this step enough!!!  I won't go into specifics as to "why" but I think as you go along you'll understand.

FYI:  Before being "enlightened" myself I was a very successful "lobbyist" for quite a few of TPTB.  Before becoming "enlightened" I worked hard to achieve their goals at all costs (which also included large profits for me).  So believe me when I say, I've been where you are and know how hard it is to take the "red pill".  But once you do......Oh my God!!!!  The feelings that ensue are sometimes overwhelming!!!

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Thanks for the book - I read the whole thing through today - really great stuff.

Perhaps because I'm British (Living in New Zealand) I have a somewhat different perspective than  your US commenters - and virtually everything you write accords with my own experience of what is happening in the world.

The force represented by the CIC can indeed transfer power from Institutions to individuals - as it is beginning to do, subtly and without any fanfare, on many fronts. It seems that at present only a minority of people really understand and can appreciate the potential magnitude of this revolution - but more and more are gaining this understanding daily.

Once a critical mass has been reached the changes will indeed be dramatic!

Well done !

 

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Thank you so much for your comment. I need all the encouragement I can get.

I am delighted you see things this way and would welcome your thoughts about improving or extending the book.

Perhaps I am just stubborn but I believe that we must try to view what is happening as a problem rather than as a predicament. That is why I wrote the book. CIC only has relevance if we are willing to take a chance and view this mess we have got ourselves into as a problem that possibly can be solved.

Here's hoping you can get some CIC started in New Zealand!

Please let me know if there is anything I or my son, Peter, who constructed the website, can do to help.

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Thanks for your prompt reply - I am travelling at present so there may be delays between my replies.

Certainly - the book is a good start - as it defines and explains this force(CIC) which really does have the potential to change the world very profoundly. It seems to me that whether that potential is realized or not depends very much on the emergence of a critical mass of sincere, concerned individuals - in many countries - individuals who "get it" and understand how it works - and who can work together in a co-ordinated way to really make that change happen.

It is almost as if until the emergence of the Internet - most systems - government - finance etc - have been running by themselves and many of these (eg. financial) are now really out of control - the CIC is a tool by which control can be given - this time not to hereditary or wealthy interests - but to ordinary, thinking people the world over - it is a tool which can enable a true democracy.

In saying this - I confirm your view that we have a problem rather than a predicament (using Chris Martenson's definition) - because the means exists for a solution to be found. The question now is "How can this problem be solved?" - the tools exist - and a conscious group of people needs to come together - some kind of online network to begin with - who are aware that this tool works - and who are willing to be part of the solution.

So although I agree that the CIC transfers power from instritutions to individuals - unless those individuals act together in unison - that power will be dissipated and the CI power-groups will continue to rule the roost.

In the past when people tried to assemble together against some tyranny - a revolution occurred and one bunch of heads was replaced with another - one hierarchy was replaced with another.

Today however the world is in a different place - because a different power is at work (perhaps the CIC represents just one facet of this power) and  human beings have the ability to associate as equals in a leaderless format which engenders a hugely creative energy and ability to implement change without another hierarchical tyranny taking over.

In the first few years of this century 3 books appeared which described the power of leaderless groups (The Myth of Leadership, The Starfish and the Spider, and The Leadership Delusion) - I just happen to be the author of the last and latest of these books.

It is possible that if a critical mass of concerned individuals from around the world get together in a loose online network, become aware of the dynamics which underlie leaderless groups - agree to work in such a format - and learn about the power of the CIC as you have so eloquently described it on your website - then the power and potential for good which can be released will have the ability to turn these problems around and make the world into a very different place - and I mean that in a positive sense.

I believe that these people exist - they are out there - they read forums such as this one - and they are waiting for an opportunity to play their part in something larger than themselves.

Here in New Zealand I find that there are many people who immediately "get it" and are keen to take part - after all it is the developed world's youngest country with not much of a history to hold it back.

I really think that you have put your finger on how a group needs to proceed - with the understanding that exponential problems require exponential solutions - and that once we have defined the problem it is possible to fight without fighting and no persuation will be needed to implement necessary changes - only I very much doubt that government as they are presently constituted can be the ones to implement such change - there are far too many powerful vested CI interests involved who understand that CIC will deprive them of their power.

There is a real need to be as cunning as serpents and gentle as doves.

I hope of of that makes sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for your comment. It makes a lot of sense to me and I feel that you and I are on the same wave length. I am going to try to get a copy of your book.

The avoidance of dissipating CIC is what I refer to in Chapter 2 as the synergy that creates positive CIC.

The purpose of the Forums on www.29thday.org is to attempt to bring together like minded people and create synergy through the discussion of a common interest.

If you have ideas how to increase the awareness of CIC and the urgency to learn how to direct it effectively, I would be glad to hear them.

My concern in looking at available data is the proximity of the 29th day when we will run out of choices.

By the way, Glenn Beck on the Fox TV Channel has started a September 12 Project which is exactly what you are talking about.
In a discussion of it, Bill Oreilly asked how such a project would avoid dissipation.
Glenn remarked that already several small groups are beginning to independently formulate projects which they can implement.
n other words, the September 12 Project is beginning to take on a life of its own.

I wish there were some way to get Glenn to visit www.29thday.org. I think he would embrace the idea of CIC if only he knew about it.

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Well - I hope you enjoy the book!

In my experience it takes some kind of unexpected or "Black Swan" event to catapult an obscure website into much wider general awareness - however deserving the content of the site may be.

I will certainly spread the word amongst my own network of friends and contacts - as it very much accords with my current interests.

I checked out the September 12 project - interesting - although to my eyes very US-centric and often difficult to decode for non-Americans (After all Glenn Beck is virtually unkown in the wider world outside N America).

I certainly agree that the proximity of the 29th day - when problems become predicaments - is a constant background theme - as there is no way of knowing when that day arrives (hopefully not yet) so the need is to act with the utmost urgency.

One option is to think of organizing a global conference on this maybe in mid or late 2010 - the publicit around such a conference may generate a momentum of its own!

 

 

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George,

I"d strongly suggest watching the crash course, and refraining from comment until then.

No offense to you, your product or your thoughts - but this is a forum for discussing Dr. Martenson's contributions and research.
Your own, while important, should either intersect, or deviate from the Crash Course, but if you haven't watched it in its entirity, you get conversations like this, which really are inappropriate for the forum.

If you want feedback for your own product, the appropriate way is to present it in a manner where you're either comparing or contrasting to the material presented on the sight you're advertising on.

That said, I concur with the other posters. You lost me at Paulson.
That's insanity worthy of Oceania.

Cheers,

Aaron

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It seems to me that this forum, while using Chris Martenson's ideas as a context - is one of a number of such forums which are currently attempting to raise awareness and foster an understanding of the present critical "peak everything" situation that the world is approaching - and within that context any number of contributions and opinions are wellcome.

In particular I like Chris's emphasis on the exponential nature of growth and the boundaries which will soon be reached.

Having been concerned with global issues for many years however, I find not much new in the crash course - it's just well put-together as a summary. I do however find it rather US-centric, which is interesting too as the US is in a perhaps more extreme situation than most other countries - the Paris-based site www.leap2020.eu has a rather broader global view, showing the gravity of the US situation.

While Chris makes a call to individuals to look at their own situation and take a view as to what they personally can do, I find George's ideas of the CIC more of a call to action by concerted groups of people who share a common understanding.

Ultimately it needs both, individual awareness and a willingness to change and a concerted approach by many individuals - acting as equals - on a global basis to accept responsibility as to where we are and to act together - for as Chris says, and George confirms - Governments are too much part of the CI status quo and systemically unable to respond appropriately to the powerfull changes which are clearly already underway - hopefully we have just not reached the 29th day yet!

 

 

 

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I have reflected on the comments I have received on this website, and, by the way, I HAVE taken the Crash Course. As a result, I have changed Chapter 3 to what follows.

Whereas Chris is focusing on what we need to do as individuals to prepare for this predicament (if you read Chapter 6, you will see that I did this over 30 years ago - my experience is that it takes a LONG time to learn about country-living and self -sufficiency), I believe that CIC is our best shot to minimize the impact. I believe, further, that the necessity for CIC becomes apparent if we take a peek at what government and all of the people who are not prepared are likely to do following the occurrence of even part of the predicament. They will not be standing around wringing their hands!

SO TAKE A LOOK AND SOCK IT TO ME WITH YOUR COMMENTS!

"Was it worth $700 billion to save the financial system? Could it have been saved for less? Could it have been saved if we had spent nothing? ... OR did Secretary Paulson just postpone the Day of Reckoning?

 I don’t know. I was just glad I wasn’t Secretary Paulson.

BUT THAT IS THE $700 BILLION QUESTION, ISN'T IT? That's a lot of money to add to the US National Debt, especially when you see what is in Chapter 9. 

Hidden inside this $700 billion question is "Pandora's Box". If you want to find out what is inside Pandora's Box, and you should, if you are serious about this, then take the free Crash Course at chrismartensen.com. It is the best explanation I have found for what we are up against and well worth the time investment. It will impress upon you the urgency of learning how to use CIC.... and the need to use it.  

 Will we believe anybody, on the 29th day,  if it ever happens again? Was this the last financial collapse that could be prevented (or postponed) on the 29th day?  If it was … the clock is now ticking."

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I kind of lost interest when I read the following in Chapter 3

I believe US Treasury Secretary Paulson saved the financial system from collapsing. And for that, we owe him our thanks.

Honestly I didn't even get past the titles of the chapters. My BS meter went off immediately. It sounds, call me paranoid, like a black hole at venting frustration more than a bona fide self-organizing citizen group.

That qoute that you posted confirmed my suspicions. Thanks for saving me some valuable time.

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LogansRun wrote:

Or how about this:

BUT WE MAKE THE ECONOMY WORK.

That is what Adam Smith, the father of modern economics realized. People like you and me, acting in our own self-interest, magically make the economy work.

What do all of these experts and institutions really do? They try to convince us to spend our money in a certain way. They try to figure out what will make us spend our money in a certain way. That is all they can do, because, in the end we are the ones who actually spend the money.

They have forgotten what Adam Smith said. They have forgotten what made our economy the greatest economy the world has ever seen.  They have forgotten that if we are allowed to spend our money in our own self-interest, magically, the economy works best.

 

29th, you picked the wrong site to try to push this crap!  You're part of the problem, not the solution.  BTW:  Are you Hank himself?  Sure give him a lot of credit when he is actually a damn lying thief!!!

My stomach started to churn harder and harder the further I read.  Ugh!  What a joke!Undecided

 

+100.

 

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I was a consulting actuary in health care financing I recall well that the day to day pressures of business and finance placed too much emphasis on symptoms and too little on causes. I am now a retiree with the time to examine causes without the "noise interference" of symptoms (and clients).

What  I see is an exponential world that is moving too fast, attempting to act in a linear way that is moving to slow, leading us rapidly down the road to disaster. I have 5 children and 19 grandchildren so I can't ignore it.

My thinking has lead me in two directions.

The first direction has been to assume the worst, which is that there is no possible way to redirect the future. Over 30 years ago, my wife and I purchased 100 acres in a remote area of Canada. Most of my "civilized" skills were useless in this environment, and learning country living and self-sufficiency has been a long slow process. It is definitely not something that can be done "at the last minute." But we are as prepared as we can be.

The second direction has been to assume the best, which is that there has to be a way to redirect the future. I realize that some people may consider this to be naive and even simplistic. So be it. The result is on the website, 29thday.org.  As it turns out, I believe that there is a way to redirect the future. My motivation has been to protect my family.

While I have read and studied others' analyses of what is happening, who to condemn, how to prepare etc, many of which are excellent, my context is "So what can we do about it?". My mindset has had to be that there is actually a way to redirect the future successfully.

One of the things I have learned over the past 30 years is that blaming others generally leads to inaction. To me, it is simply a variation on the theme, "It's not my fault." Too often, it leads to the smug feeling, "I have figured out what is going to happen, and now all of those other people are going to get what they deserve."

I believe strongly that doing nothing will result eventually in the loss of our freedom, something which is unthinkable and unimaginable to most people. We have to wake up, and to grow up, in order to realize that the future is not going to be redirected unless we act deliberately to do it. The longer we wait, the more difficult it will be, until eventually it will be impossible.

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