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Time perfect for green revolution

Time perfect for green revolution


Paul Hanley, The StarPhoenix
Published: Tuesday, November 18, 2008

http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/arts/story.html?id=918db091-b39f\
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A crisis is a terrible thing to waste. That's why the United Nations
Environment Program (UNEP) is seizing the historic opportunity
provided by a global financial crisis to launch the Green Economy
Initiative (www.unep.ch/etb). Dubbed a "Global Green New Deal," it
aims to get battered markets back to work, but on a sustainable
footing, and to "bring about tomorrow's economy today."

Within 24 months the initiative will deliver a comprehensive
assessment and tool kit to governments to help them make the
transition to a green economy.

According to Pavan Sukdhev, a senior German banker leading the
research, "The economic models of the 20th Century are now hitting the
limits of what is possible -- possible in terms of delivering better
livelihoods for the 2.6 billion people still living on less than $2 a
day and possible in terms of our ecological footprint. Investments
will soon be pouring back into the global economy -- the question is
whether they go into the old, extractive, short-term economy of
yesterday or a new green economy that will deal with multiple
challenges while generating multiple economic opportunities for the
poor and the well-off alike."

The initiative aims to help governments make better choices and send
the right market signals to investors, entrepreneurs and consumers
worldwide, so "we move from mining the planet to managing and
re-investing in it."

The Green New Deal would have several strategic objectives, according
to a Worldwatch commentary:

- It would make renewables the major source of world energy supplies
and systematically phase out reliance on fossil fuels and nuclear.
Wind, solar and other renewable technologies are both more
environmentally benign than oil, coal and nuclear and produce more jobs.

- It would launch an efficiency revolution. Some analysts contend that
a tenfold increase in the productivity of resources is possible.
Transport, housing, industry and utilities are ripe with opportunities
for huge efficiency gains. A "dematerialization" of economic activity
requires far less mining and logging, and thus permits a sharp
reduction in environmental impacts.

- It would invest in green infrastructure, including the creation of
smart energy grids, public transit systems, and dense compact cities.

- It would continuously recirculate materials. The front end of an
economy -- which involves extractive activities such as mining,
logging, oil drilling, and fishing -- uses less labour and creates
more pollution than manufacturing and maintenance. A circular economy
emphasizes durability, reparability, recycling and remanufacturing,
squeezing more value out of the resource base and generating greater
employment. In the green economy, companies will help customers derive
the most functionality and service from a product, rather than merely
maximizing sales.

- It would distribute wealth more fairly, within and across borders.
From 1990 to 2005, two-thirds of countries experienced an increase in
income inequality between the top 10 and bottom 10 per cent of wage
earners. Incomes of CEOs at the 500 leading U.S. firms, for example,
averaged $10.5 million in 2007, 344 times the pay of the average worker.

Making these objectives a reality will require smart regulations, tax
shifts, subsidy reforms, incentives and a green industrial policy. One
important first step would be to ensure that the rescue of the
financial industry is designed to make this sector a force for green
development.

Capital for a global green New Deal can be mobilized from various
sources, including:

- By refocusing on non-military options, the trillion dollars now
spent on the military could be rededicated to the green economy.

- Massive sovereign wealth funds can be tapped in ways that offer
positive long-term returns on investments.

- The so-called Tobin Tax on the $3.7 trillion daily trade in the
world's currencies, even if very modest, would bring in many billions
of dollars-and also dampen destabilizing currency speculation.

- Eliminating fossil fuel subsidies, estimated to be $150-$250 billion
a year, would make money available to green alternatives, as would
carbon taxes or proceeds from cap and trade systems.

- Other sources include treasury bonds and private investments in
profitable efficiency and renewable energy initiatives.

There is no time like a crisis to mobilize governments to affect
transformational change.

© The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) 2008

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Re: Time perfect for green revolution

Yeah sure Matrix. What this country needs is more freaking government squandering money on politically correct projects.

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you mean instead of bailing out banks and car companies...?

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hewittr,

You know the reality is that the government is going to spend money to try to reflate the economy.  I know you disagree with that approach, but perhaps if they are going to spend money they should direct it towards rebuilding our infrastructure and manufacturing capacity so that we can at least begin the transition toward renewable energy.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4791

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so within 24 months the u.n. will deliver the new green deal tool kit

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

the people of rwanda are still waiting for the u.n. to deliver the coffins.

the people of darfur are in line as well.

the only thing the u.n will deliver is the money from the old world order to the new world order.

meanwhile ups will be delivering my raspberry bushes, my blueberry bushes and my apple trees.

i will be expanding my garden and building a wood fired boiler. helping to establish a local currency and time bank.

i will continue to stash food and fuel and avoid as much tax as i can. thank you very much but i have a shop ful of tools and possess the skills to use them.

i will accomplish my own objectives while the folks waiting for the new green socialist program to get them solar panels and wind turbines will be flapping in the breeze .................that in my humble opinion is the inconvenient truth

 

i seem to have misplaced my koolaid

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Switter and Matrix - your worlds seem to revolve around renewable energy. I simply say government should stay out of it. Everything they do, they screw up. The last disaster was alcohol from food crops. The infrastructure is another matter. It shouldn't have fallen into disrepair the way it did, but that's government for you.

You guys gotta get into your head, that government doesn't exist to satisfy market needs. It exists for itself and its friends.

My company sells the materials that go into the making of computer chips. The solar market barely existed a year ago, but now we're seeing an upsurge in sales in that area. We were told that about 20 plants are being built around the world. So you should find that encouraging.

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hewittr wrote:

Switter and Matrix - your worlds seem to revolve around renewable energy. I simply say government should stay out of it. Everything they do, they screw up. The last disaster was alcohol from food crops. The infrastructure is another matter. It shouldn't have fallen into disrepair the way it did, but that's government for you.

You guys gotta get into your head, that government doesn't exist to satisfy market needs. It exists for itself and its friends.

My company sells the materials that go into the making of computer chips. The solar market barely existed a year ago, but now we're seeing an upsurge in sales in that area. We were told that about 20 plants are being built around the world. So you should find that encouraging.

Really.....  you need to get your facts right.  The entire corn ethanol fiasco was run by private enterprise.  They were given some financial assistance,  but none that compares with the current bailouts, not even close....

Infrastructure running into disrepair is merely a sign of Limits to Growth.  It was all built one brick at a time as and when it was needed.  Now, it's a HUGE system, and they can't afford to keep it all going, AND continue building new stuff AS WELL.  It's a classic case of collapsing civilisation, has happened many times to the Mayans, Romans, Egyptians......   It's like a cancer, it grows and grows, and when the host dies, so does the cancer.

This distrust of government is soooooo American.  I don't know what it is about you lot and your government, but I've lived all over the world and never encountered anything like it anywhere else.  Danish and German governments have done a fantastic job getting renewables up and running, and very efficiently too.  All America's ever managed to do is WASTE.  And waste and waste and waste.....  I wish people like you would realise how disdainful the rest of the world is about American wastefulness.... 

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"This distrust of government is soooooo American.  I don't know what it
is about you lot and your government, but I've lived all over the world
and never encountered anything like it anywhere else. "

World Leaders Won't Shake George Bush's Hand

Hmmm, looks like other world leaders don't like our govt either

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Trust me, when that idiot who poses as a president in the white house goes away, we will be cheering in Australia!

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Really.....  you need to get your facts right.  The entire corn ethanol fiasco was run by private enterprise.  They were given somefinancial assistance,  but none that compares with the current bailouts, not even close....

Oh c'mon Matrix. The feds are subsidizing ethanol and mandated it to be in gasoline. Farmers stopped growing wheat and other crops and went into corn. Being an Australian, I wouldn't expect you to know that.

Infrastructure running into disrepair is merely a sign of Limits to Growth.

Oh nonsense! The money was diverted into foolish wars and military spending, to name one waste of resources. 

This distrust of government is soooooo American. 

You're a sheep who doesn't know what a wolf looks like. The waste caused by government is incalculable.

All America's ever managed to do is WASTE.  And waste and waste and waste..

That is a direct result of artificial money and credit, courtesy of the federal government.

Trust me, when that idiot who poses as a president in the white house goes away, we will be cheering in Australia!

That's a standard ritual at the end of every presidency. If you think Bush is bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.

 

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hewittr wrote:

Oh c'mon Matrix. The feds are subsidizing ethanol and mandated it to be in gasoline. Farmers stopped growing wheat and other crops and went into corn. Being an Australian, I wouldn't expect you to know that.

Being an american, I wouldn't expect you to know what any Australian might know.... 

hewittr wrote:

Infrastructure running into disrepair is merely a sign of Limits to Growth. 

Oh nonsense! The money was diverted into foolish wars and military spending, to name one waste of resources.

Which is EXACTLY what the Romans and the Greeks and the Egyptians and....  ALL did....  Eventually, it takes so much energy, so much effort, so much weaponry to protect abd grow an empire that it can no longer be sustained. 

This distrust of government is soooooo American.

You're a sheep who doesn't know what a wolf looks like. The waste caused by government is incalculable.

And you are a condescending so and so........! 

All America's ever managed to do is WASTE. And waste and waste and waste..

That is a direct result of artificial money and credit, courtesy of the federal government.

No it's not.  America thinks it owns the world abd can use up all its resources as it pleases.  We use credit and artificial money here too, but we haven't got ourselves, as hard as might try, into anywhere near as big a hole as you have.  Trouble is now you're going to drag us all into it too.... 

Trust me, when that idiot who poses as a president in the white house goes away, we will be cheering in Australia!

That's a standard ritual at the end of every presidency. If you think Bush is bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.

So now you're going to blame Obama for all the shit Bush created...? 

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And you are a condescending so and so........!

It's not personal. I get frustrated wih the naivite of people who think government is the solution. Government is a dinosaur. It has a tiny brain and a massive body that requires constant feeding. Everything it eats, it turns to shit. You people treat it like a god. It's the devil.

America thinks it owns the world abd can use up all its resources as it pleases.

Until recently, America was the world's greatest producer. Those resources were all paid for with cash and credit, and the world happily accepted it. Is Australia going to save its abundant resources for itself?  I don't think so. They'll sell to the highest bidder like they always do. That's how it works in the real world.

So now you're going to blame Obama for all the shit Bush created...? 

How can I blame Obama for the past? Read that sentence again.

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With the possible exception of Barack Obama's puppy-anticipating
daughters, no one is more eagerly awaiting the incoming Administration
than the leaders of the renewable-energy industries. President-elect
Obama campaigned on the promise to spend $150 billion over the next 10
years to support alternative energy, like wind and solar, as well as
the green jobs that the sector has the potential to create. At
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's climate summit on Nov. 18,
Obama, in taped remarks, reaffirmed that he would hold fast to those
campaign promises, starting with mandatory caps on greenhouse gas
emissions. "This is a crucial step forward," says Linda Church Ciocci,
the executive director of the National Hydropower Association.

<SNIP>

In a press conference last week the leaders of the solar, wind,
geothermal and hydropower industries called on Obama and the incoming
Congress to look ahead. First, energy leaders asked Obama to
immediately adjust the alternative-energy production credit to provide
green investors with a cash rebate, rather than a tax reduction. With
the economy tanking, simple tax credits — which Congress renewed in
October and without which the renewable-energy industry would not
survive — aren't the lure they once were for companies looking to
invest in new energy projects.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1859040,00.html?imw=Y

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Damnthematrix,

As you know I voted for Obama and think he's a good man.  However, I think his grasp of environmental and energy issues is inadequate (i.e support for so-called "clean coal", ethanol and domestic drilling for oil that won't do squat for increasing domestic supply anytime soon).  It's also rumored that he's about to choose Tom Vilsack for the Secretary of Agriculture position. Vilsack is a notorious cheerleader for genetically engineered crops and chemical and energy-intensive industrial agriculture--certainly no friend of organic food and farming.  There's a large petition going around to stop it, but I doubt that will have any effect.  Obama is a politician and it's clear that he's making these appointments very politically - instead of from the basis of what is really needed.

 

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Regardless of money spent

Before we get into a discussion of money spent, any money spent on renewable or alternative sources in my book is a plus. If we took the IRAQ war and foreign aid out of the picture, we would have enough money to put into quick research for these issues with no problems. The main core problem with all of this is where and how the money is spent, and looking inward COMPLETLY instead of being the masters of the world and paying for it everyday.

Now if you can get around the politics of all of this, you deserve an award

 

 

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