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I attended the tea party held in fayetteville ar. yesterday.

i was somewhat disappointed. there were quite a few speakers and they all spoke from there own experience and understanding. my disappoinment stems from the fact that it at least in my locale appers to be a movement being hijacked by the right wing religious conservative wing of the republican party. htey are out of power right now and see an opportunity to get reorganized.

many of the speakers spoke about social issues such as abortion and there were many biblical quotes. the literature was based on glenn becks' 9/12 movement which probably accounts for the religious overtones. no one mentioned the federal reserve or fractional reserve banking, even tho one of the speakers was someone who worked on ron pauls' campaign in arkansas.

i saw none of the progressive parts of the community and one person actually emailed me and said she would not attend because it was going to be an anti obama rally started by rush limbaugh. 

i see this movement as important but i am afraid it has already been hijacked by the religious right and is no longer about finding the root causes of how we got this way and how we get out.

i would love to hear anyone elses' experience. in terms of the crash course this is much larger and has legs it is just a question of which direction it is going.

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In Michigan, the media talked about the Tea Party in Lansing. The statement coming out of our Democratic ((socialist)) Governor was that this "Tea Party" was staged by Republicans to under-mind Democrat efforts. Same old party line talks.

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Joe,

Unfortunately, I saw similar issues at the one I attended here in D/FW (Arlington).  We got to see our wonderful governor Rick Perry speak.  He was incensed that the Democrats were spending so much money.  Give me a break. This is the same man who, regarding the Trans Texas Corridor, said, "It's not up to the voters."  He is not a friend of the people.  We should have known this would happen.  These creeps will do anything to gain appeal in the eyes of the unknowing.

That said, I have to say that I think the Tea Partys were beneficial in getting people out that have never been out to "protest" anything.  A good first step.  Without beginning to awaken people to action, there is absolutely no hope and I am not ready to roll over.  Maybe it can grow without truly being hijacked by the people we least need.

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joe2baba,

You are right, the Tea Party was hijacked by the right wing Republicans.  I did not attend because I actually still have job!   This whole Tea Party idea was promoted by Limbaugh,  Foxnews, Glen Beck, etc...    The outrageous spending taking place in D.C. didn't just start now.  Obama has only been in office for three months, and the spending was already well underway when he took office, i.e. Bernanke & Paulson.   I also do not agree with Obama's stimulus' and bailouts.  

I walked by some protesters yesterday in downtown Raleigh, NC and they mostly had anti-Obama signs.   This focus and pointing the blame on the Obama Administration will not solve the problem.   There are real structual problems with this economy, as per Chris' Crash Course, which is not, I believe, understood by the groups organizing such 'Tea Parties'.    Seems to me they are simply looking to scapegoat and, at the same time, energize the Republican Party.  

These are very serious times, and we need real serious answers seriously fast!   All this will do, imo, is make otherwise lawful people become desperate, blame the collaspe on others, and make them targets when TSHIF.  

 

 

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Greg,

Some things never change.

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Greg,

This hits the "Nail on the Head".  Keep (most of us) pitted against one another, keeping the truth silent.  If the media ((shown in the movie from 1:25 to 1:40)) already has preconceived notion about what the news should be than it can find evidence to back it's notion up.  It is like backing into a scientific theory, only taking proof that proves your point, not proving or disproving one objectively.

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My take is based on the Law of Attraction... Focus on what you Don't want and you
will get More of what you Don't want.... Instead of protesting...

Focus on what you DO want...

Mother Teresa was once asked "why I don't participate
in anti-war demonstrations.
I said that
I will never do that, but as soon as you
have a pro-peace rally, I'll be there.
"

So, I recommend STOP watching the TV news...  and focus on what you do want...
You may say "But I need to be informed..."  Yes, but you don't need to be
"Inundated",  "flooded" "buried" with alot of the TV "drivel".

 Use the net.  Find good sources... be prepared... be inspired...
As an example of inspiring content, check out  www.ted.com

 -Bob 

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I attended the Tea Party in Indianapolis and was impressed with the number of people in attendance. I was put off though, by the overly religious tone. The message needs to be kept on target in that this is not about throwing the Democrats out of office, but about throwing anyone that is not serving the people out of office. The www.icaucus.org website does a better job of communicating that principle. Tim

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thanks for posting this greg i heard it on the radio but it is great to see it ............just in case i run into the cnn reporter i will know what she looks like.

my question for her is the obvious one ...........where does the 50 billion come from?

really i would have liked to have been a fly on the wall of the preprodution meetings to see what the reporters were told.

it is interesting to see a reporter "reporting " and not becoming a part of the story .............right

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joe2baba,

You are right, the Tea Party was hijacked by the right wing Republicans.  I did not attend because I actually still have job!   This whole Tea Party idea was promoted by Limbaugh,  Foxnews, Glen Beck, etc...  

 

lpowell23,  

   You managed to contradict yourself within 3 sentences.  You claim that the "Tea Party" was hijacked by the very same people, by your assertation, started the whole thing.  How does one hijack something that allegedly belongs to them?

 

Your friend Gadfly

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Revolution ? Not exactly.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-cooper15-2009apr15,0,3158535.story

Anti-Obama Taxpayer Tea Parties steeped in insanity

What, exactly, are the protesters protesting? The marginal tax rate rising 3% for millionaires?
By Marc Cooper
April 15, 2009
The Web is buzzing with information about how to
throw an anti-Obama Taxpayer Tea Party, something organizers hope will
be held today from Santa Monica to South Carolina. But no need to burn
up your bandwidth reading complicated instructions. Here's a simpler
recipe:

Go to a hobby store. Buy a scale model of a U.N. One-World-Government Black Helicopter and a tube of glue. Toss the model kit. Sniff the entire tube of glue. You're all set for the party.

I
can recall only a few outbreaks of such collective insanity as these
tea parties in recent years. There was that time in the mid-1990s when
a $19.95 video proving Bill Clinton was some sort of serial killer went
viral. And then, a few years back, there was that chilling, televised
midnight seance from the floor of the U.S. Congress aimed at reviving
the long-brain-dead Terri Schiavo.

And now this. Whip out your Lipton and don your tinfoil hat and join the protest against ... against ... against what exactly?

The
original Boston Tea Party was caffeinated by a very simple injustice:
American Colonists refused to be taxed by a government that lacked any
popular representation. That was remedied a few years later in a heroic struggle that stretched from Concord to Yorktown.

So,
if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor, what's the beef behind today's
protests? The Obama administration is cutting taxes for all except the
very richest of Americans. Reduced withholding is already showing up in
millions of paychecks.

Then again, this rash of tea parties is being organized not only by the pseudo-journalists
at Fox News (with Glenn Beck, Neil Cavuto and Sean Hannity actively
stoking the flames) but also by FreedomWorks, a conservative lobbying
outfit headed by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey.
I
suppose it was Armey's constitutional if morally dubious privilege to
have built an entire political career out of defending the wealthy.

But
are common folks actually going to dump Earl Grey into Santa Monica Bay
because they are outraged, simply infuriated, by the marginal tax rate
rising 3% for millionaires?

Or maybe they'll do it for some
other reason. The FreedomWorks site says the Tea Party movement began
in reaction to President Obama's corporate bailouts and ensuing yawning
budget deficits. These same conservatives, however, were mum when
George W. Bush erased our budget surplus and put us deep in the red by
drunken spending on a pointless war in Iraq and by, yes, granting
massive tax rollbacks for the loaded country clubbers who fund the GOP
(and Armey's FreedomWorks). Another bothersome detail: The bailouts
were also initiated by Bush.

Nobody I know is very pleased with
the billions ladled out to teetering banks and corporations. Yet a
clear majority of Americans are sophisticated enough to know that these
bailouts are a necessary evil and are intended -- unlike the lollipop
Bush tax cuts -- not for personal profit but rather as a radical,
emergency measure to help Americans keep their jobs, their homes and
their retirement.

And while way too many otherwise sane
Republicans are actively pandering to the tea-bag battalions, some
old-fashioned conservatives are calling out the Teabaggers for their
silliness. Writing in Fortune  [Forbes]
magazine, conservative policy analyst Bruce Bartlett, who has a long
anti-tax history, says: "The irony of these protests is that federal
revenues as a share of the gross domestic product will be lower this
year than any year since 1950. ... The truth is that the U.S. is a
relatively low-tax country no matter how you slice the data."

The
Tea Party movement, more than anything else, is a rather garish display
of a Republican right that seems to have lost not only the national
elections but also any semblance of political bearings. Staying on this
course, the GOP risks -- in the words of one pundit -- becoming "the
Talk Radio Republican Party."

Better put that kettle on, Marge. It's going to be a long and bizarre four years.

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Mike,

The tea party idea has been initiated through grassroots efforts (at least my knowledge of it came through a grassroots source) and unfortunately there are many (news whores, political whores, etc.) that are seizing an opportunity to promote their message by hitching their wagon to the effort.

I would argue that our existing government lacks popular representation.  You might say they are elected by a popular vote.  You are right but I think people are waking up and realizing that action must be taken.  I would bet that there are people involved in the tea party group that didn't vote last election but sure as hell will in the next one.

The beef is not that taxes are not being raised it is that the government is OUT OF CONTROL and people are finally beginning to realize it.

I'll take the tea partys and I hope they are not diluted by too many factions with varied gripes.

Really, it has to start somewhere.  Who knows, maybe this will lead to REFUSING TO PAY OUR DEBTS.Smile

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Regarding the CNN reporter who asked the guy if he was eligible for a $400 tax rebate, uh, what about all the taxes and fees that are going up at the local and state level? Yep, robbing Peter to pay Paul.

These reporters are clueless...the only thing they care about is where dinner reservations are. Glad I don't watch tv for my news anymore.

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Re: Tea Party Reports? How about this one?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1170447/Texas-bid-independence-says-Governor-fury-Obamas-spending-rises.html

Texas could bid for independence, says Governor as fury over Obama's spending rises

By Sarah Titterton
Last updated at 4:29 PM on 16th April 2009

'We ARE racists - we are members of the human race,' says protest leader

The governor of Texas has suggested that
his state could secede from the Union after accusing the federal
government of strangling Americans with taxation and debt.

Governor Rick Perry whipped his
'patriotic' supporters into a frenzy during tax protests yesterday,
with many waving flags and shouting 'Secede!'

He later backtracked, telling reporters later that there was 'absolutely no reason to dissolve [the Union]'.

Enlarge   'How do you like Change so far?': Texan governor Rick Perry, foreground, threatens Texan independence at the 'Don't Mess with Texas' tea party protest yesterday

'How do you
like Change so far?': Texan governor Rick Perry, foreground, threatens
Texan independence at the 'Don't Mess with Texas' tea party protest
yesterday

Enlarge   Thousands rally at the Tennessee State Capitol at the Tax Day Tea Party in Nashville, Tennessee yesterday as the backlash against Mr Obama's federal spending grows

Thousands
rally at the Tennessee State Capitol at the Tax Day Tea Party in
Nashville, Tennessee yesterday as the backlash against Mr Obama's
federal spending grows

Despite his pullback, Mr Perry's star
was rising in conservative America yesterday as right-wing supporters
struggling for a voice under Mr Obama found a new icon.

Under Mr Perry, Texas has become the point of origin for the growing right-wing storm.

Conservative politicians and talk show
hosts coordinated 'tea party' protests across the country to coincide
with the deadline for federal income tax yesterday. Thousands attended.

'We will be called haters, and we are,' Phillip Dennis, a Texan resident, told one such rally.

'We
are haters of big-spending politicians. We will be called racists, and
we are – we are members of the human race,' he said as the silent crowd
broke out into cheers.

Later he added: 'The
conservative sleeping giant is awake. He is awake, and he is hungry...
We will not go gently into socialism – at least not here in Texas.'


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he did not say they started the whole thing he said they promoted it. it was a grassroots idea started on the social networks.

grover norquist said btw any half asleep republican should jump on the bandwagon

i think you need someone to edit your posts gadfly

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Mike,

The article you posted is literally retarded.

Quote:

But are common folks actually going to dump Earl Grey into Santa Monica Bay because they are outraged, simply infuriated, by the marginal tax rate rising 3% for millionaires?

If our buddy Marc Cooper had done his homework, he'd realize that these protests were specifically geared towards 10 states that have sales tax but no state income tax... Those states are now proposing implimenting a income tax.

So, are people mad at a "marginal 3% tax increase for millionaires"?

No. We're not that pedantic. We're pissed about Property taxes, state income taxes, state sales taxes, parks and recreation taxes, taxation through licensure; such as the wedding license, fishing license, hunting license, concealed weapons license, vehicle licenses (which continue to rise) and a smattering of other licenses and taxes that target skilled professionals.

Furthermore, we're pissed off that we're footing the bill for the bailout, welfare and we're being inadaquetely represented in Washington D.C.

For instance, Janet Napolitano recently said that Vets should be considered "vulnerable" to right wing extremism.

Why could that be?
We're force fed the "you're fighting for our freedom" mantra, and we return to a society that has absolutely lost it's will and way - not to mention it's fiscal sense.

Meanwhile, we're being robbed blind by congress's bailouts, buying bad assets with money we don't have and being told to like it... and if you don't, you're a terrorist.

I'll refrain from further comment. If you don't get it by now, (and I'm sure Marc Cooper doesn't) you never will.

Cheers,

Aaron

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One of these days I am going to make all the through a Damnthematrix post.

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gregroberts wrote:

 

Thanks for putting this up, Greg.

What's interesting to me, not only is the Fox/talk radio right aggressively infiltrating and usurping any possible grassroots movement, but the left is equally enthusiastic about helping them do it. One of the stations I watched last night (MSNBC or CNN) perhaps sensing that certain elements might be hard to ignore, resorted to vigorously emphasizing "mainstream" Republicans, or "solid" Republicans, in order to contrast them with the  "fringe elements," the "far, far right" and the "crazies." The idea, of course, is to associate the Republicans with petty opposition to taxing the rich, and irrational partisan hatred of Obama, while linking potentially meaningful ideas about the Constitution, the role of the Federal Reserve, and future debt, with dangerous fringe radicals. (like joe2baba!)

I know this sounds nuts, but as much as this was pretty much of a wash, I actually see tiny glimmers of hope. It's a very uphill battle, sure to be discouraging and frustrating, but I'm getting the sense that there might be just a few more people than I thought who are starting to figure it out.

Let's hope. 

Peace

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Gadfly,

Who's your English teacher? It seems to me, Ipowell is blameless here. I see no contradiction at all. Promotion (as in "promoted by Limbaugh...") in no way implies ownership (as in "belongs to..."). Promote means to move forward, to advance in station..., to contribute to the growth of..  Certainly, you can "promote" a movement you don't own, and you didn't start, don't you think?

Just askin'!

Greg 

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Damnthematrix wrote:
Revolution ? Not exactly.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-cooper15-2009apr15,0,3158535.story

Anti-Obama Taxpayer Tea Parties steeped in insanity

What, exactly, are the protesters protesting? The marginal tax rate rising 3% for millionaires?
 
 
 
Better put that kettle on, Marge. It's going to be a long and bizarre four years.

 

Mike

Are you endorsing this view, or are you just letting us know what others are thinking? Just wondering

Greg 

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Look guys, don't get pissed off with me, I haven't got a clue how your tax laws work, right?  Now I do.  I was just trying to find out why these media outlets were stating what they were stating.

Thanks for the insight...

Mike 

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Joe and Aaron

I'm such a snail over here, and so absorbed, I missed your posts. My #19 is redundant now, I guess. 

Well said on the Cooper article, Aaron.

Peace

Greg 

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Mike

We ARE starting to get more and more pissed off. But not at you, don't worry!

Greg 

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Hey Mike,

Sorry... not trying to get cross with you - it's the situation that is frusterating.

These days, it's almost as if a pre-requisite to being a journalist is having an empty head. This kind of garbage is so paper thin that it's embarassing that Americans actually read it and think "wow, that guy is totally right, like, DUH!"

There isn't a lot of integrity, there is way too much political bias and banter, and real issues get buried under mounds of semantic judo.

You just can't trust anything you read. CNN and Fox are reporting stories now that are exactly opposite.
Regarding Mexico and their Cartel problem, Fox says Obama has "backed off" on talk of a Gun ban, while CNN says he has not.

How is it possible to do both at once?
It isn't. It's just a case of state sponsored media spinning a situation in a light that favors one agenda or another.

But hey, if I don't shut up, I might be a right wing extremist.
Exercising your liberties is for the "fringe".

I'm very bitter over the last few days. Tax protests being laughed off is tantamount to Marie Antoinette saying "let them eat cake".

Anyway, I know you don't know our laws - sorry for coming across harshly.

Cheers,

Aaron

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I am still confused (maybe because of a poor job the media did in covering this) about what various people were protesting or supporting at the tea parties they attended.  And I'm even more confused by media reports that try to characterize the events as right wing or conservative, but my guess is that is because I'm confused by what they were about.  Now, maybe this is not the media's fault, as they are in the habit of going to the people in charge and reading the PR kit they are handed, while the Tea Parties might really have been grassroots events with as many motivations, ideas, and goals as there were participants--and no PR kits for the investigative journalists.  I was hoping this Tea Party Report thread would report on why people were there and what they learned about the other tea partiers and why they were there--which I got from some of the posts, but am still confused.  Can someone give a short list of the various reasons why people were there or what they were supporting or protesting. 

I thought about going to the local one but in the end didn't because I really had no idea what the rally was about.  My inclination to go was wanting to promote fiscal responsibility by the government (all levels) and the Fed (and other quazi government bodies like GM and the big banks and other bailout recipients). I thought tax day was a good symbolic choice as that is an obvious time when the government has a big fiscal impact on the citizen, and I liked the symbolism of tea parties because the TARP money was passed dispite a huge public outcry and the feeling of "taxation with out representation" was palpible.  I don't see my motivations as liberal or conservative, democrat or republican, so I was surprised by how many of the media endorsments I heard of the Tea Parties seemed to be coming from very rightwing sources.  The reports I have seen here and other places have suggested a variety of themes participants were concerned about, but it seems like many were unrelated, and maybe contradictory.  

So my question is, what porportion of the crowd or message was anti-tax, pro-fiscal responsibility, anti-obama, anti-2party system, anti-increased license fees, anti-banksters, pro-constitution, anti-bailout, etc. (these are just some of the things I've heard they were about but please include whatever was there)?  And my second quesiton, did this seem like something that could become an effective tool to focus further political action to get government back in line with basic financial responsibility, and constitutional government?  Thanks.

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DavidLachman wrote:

I am still confused (maybe because of a poor job the media did in covering this) about what various people were protesting or supporting at the tea parties they attended. 

That's because everyone brought their own agenda. As I see it, anyone who is mad about anything brought it with them to the protest. Some of the signs people were carrying were pretty far off the mark. What does comparing Obama to Hitler have to do with protesting taxes? The non-Fox MSM did a good job of finding those folks and using them to discredit the whole event, which creates the feeling it was not a cohesive movement.

There is so much to be angry about right now. Perhaps a Tea Party was the wrong forum on tax day to discuss issues like the Fed. That said, July 4 might prove to be a little more interesting as things heat up and the historical basis for the day is more about independence rather than taxes...

Rog

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The non-Fox MSM did a good job of finding those folks and using them to
discredit the whole event, which creates the feeling it was not a
cohesive movement.

GregRoberts' post #18 shows exactly that in case anyone missed it.

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I agree Rog, so much unreleased anger.  Hopefully, the way the media portrayed this event will help "the people" learn how to through a rally better and to organize better.  This could be a great learning experience of the modern media and use it for a July 4Th rally. 

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Cohesive Movement?
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The non-Fox MSM did a good job of finding those folks and using them to
discredit the whole event, which creates the feeling it was not a
cohesive movement.

GregRoberts' post #18 shows exactly that in case anyone missed it.

Hi Patrick,

Was it (or is it) a cohesive movement?  That, I guess is what I am asking.  And to the degree that it is cohesive, what is it a movement for (or against)? Thanks.

Oh, perhaps July 4th will be a better day than tax day, that seemed to confuse the issue.  There is a little difference between wanting government to be responsible, representative, and preserving liberty (there was a revolution for that), and just wanting less or no taxes, or less or no government (the withering away of the State?).

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DavidLachman wrote:

Hi Patrick,

Was it (or is it) a cohesive movement?  That, I guess is what I am asking.  And to the degree that it is cohesive, what is it a movement for (or against)? Thanks.

Oh, perhaps July 4th will be a better day than tax day, that seemed to confuse the issue.  There is a little difference between wanting government to be responsible, representative, and preserving liberty (there was a revolution for that), and just wanting less or no taxes, or less or no government (the withering away of the State?).

David, I think you are quoting me there not Patrick, so I'll try to respond.

As far as I can tell, the roots of the movement were cohesive. Then, as others have stated, it got morphed into so many things to so many people. The Republican party is viewing this as an opportunity to pull the base together, so it became political for many folks, regardless of what the lady in Greg's video states.  For example, how do you get a Republican Gov. of Texas as the keynote speaker in one of these protests who is openly attacking the Obama administration and not view that as political. Point is, it didn't start out that way, and not everyone came to play in the political sandbox (myself included). So, by definition, this means it was not cohesive. I wish it was.

By questioning the cohesiveness of the event, it insinuates that only cohesive efforts will work to effect change. While I think the success is higher, history shows that it is not necessary. Happen to see the (HBO or Showtime, can't remember) series called John Adams? It was awesome. I also believe it was mostly historically correct. During the events leading up to the revolutionary war, cohesive was not even in the vocabulary of the leaders or people of the 13 colonies. It didn't take 100% agreement to make a real, lasting change. That is why we have states rights, because not all localities will ever agree, and should not be forced to. But I rant.

Anyway, I hope you can look at it for what it is, a start. It is not the bugle that starts a war, but a cry to join in arms. While each of our motivations may be different, ultimately the people were all protesting at some level the treatment they are receiving from the US Govt. That's something top build on, don't you think?

Rog

 

 

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