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Swine flu log

Well, I just got back from getting my H1N1 flu shot. I'll let you guys know if I turn into a reptile or if my legs explode.

In the meantime I'll just wait for the pandemic to run its course so I can feel smug when they start stacking the bodies with those who didn't get the shot. :D

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4000 deaths as of yesterday out of 22 million infected as of latest CDC release.  Risk of death is 1.8 per 10,000 infections.  So yes you are safer with the shot.  The risk of death due to allergic reaction to the shot is less than 1 in 10,000.  Congratulations!  You are TWICE as safe!!

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Actually, as I've said before, I really don't know what the best plan of action is, at this point.  But with the vaccine industry's record, it's hard for me to imagine putting my life in their hands . . . Good luck, Ed . . . May the shot be with you . . .

Hold on a minute . . . Isn't the shot only for pregnant women and children, at this point?  Is there something you aren't telling us, Ed? 

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Swine flu hit 3 out of 4 in  our house this week:

4 year old daughter - lasted 2 days.  Had a high fever, aches and (mostly) upper respiratory symptoms.  Only a very slight cough.

7 year old daughter - also lasted 2 days - fever not as high, symptoms generally milder.

me - I've had it 4 days now.  Early on I had a high fever, now it's not so high.  I have a slightly upset stomach, aches and pains.  I developed an infrequent cough on day 2 and a runny nose on day 3.  

I gave everyone (including my wife who is still healthy) homemade elderberry syrup as soon as symptoms began.  That seemed to make a big difference with the kids.  Most other children I know of had symptoms for 5-10 days, but my illness is dragging on.  Well, maybe I'd have pneumonia by now without it.

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oops.  Duplicate post

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steveyoung wrote:

Swine flu hit 3 out of 4 in  our house this week:

4 year old daughter - lasted 2 days.  Had a high fever, aches and (mostly) upper respiratory symptoms.  Only a very slight cough.

7 year old daughter - also lasted 2 days - fever not as high, symptoms generally milder.

me - I've had it 4 days now.  Early on I had a high fever, now it's not so high.  I have a slightly upset stomach, aches and pains.  I developed an infrequent cough on day 2 and a runny nose on day 3.  

I gave everyone (including my wife who is still healthy) homemade elderberry syrup as soon as symptoms began.  That seemed to make a big difference with the kids.  Most other children I know of had symptoms for 5-10 days, but my illness is dragging on.  Well, maybe I'd have pneumonia by now without it.

Thanks for the anecdotal account, Steve . . . I've posted about the long history of elderberry syrup for prevention and treatment of influenza.  I'm not sure where it was posted, but I also duplicated the info over on my blog. 

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Cloudfire wrote:

Thanks for the anecdotal account, Steve . . . I've posted about the long history of elderberry syrup for prevention and treatment of influenza.  I'm not sure where it was posted, but I also duplicated the info over on my blog. 

Cloudfire, I believe you pointed us to this link:

http://purecajunsunshine.blogspot.com/2009/05/everything-you-ever-wanted...  

I followed here recipe exactly other than using less sugar since it was for immediate use and I did use a metal pot in spite of her insistence on not using one.  Other online elderberry recipes actually recommend a metal pot.

BTW, I've posted results of my acorn experience recently at:

http://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/wild-foods/29361

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Doc, do you know what the stats for people between ages 5 and 50 re death rates?  I think that would be significant, since the normal flu kills almost no one in this age bracket.

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I had thought about getting the vaccine since I have an 18 month old and I would prefer to keep her out of hospitals. However we got the flu in our house a few days ago.

Me (24 year old female) - fever, slight cough no other symptoms. Only lasted for 24 hours.

Hubby- (24 year old male) - fever, slight cough turned into head cold after 12 hours.

Daughter- no sign of illness

I will say I could tell I was getting sick so I started taking "Emergen - C", and an expectorant. For the safety of our daughter I decided to get tested just in case so we could monitor symptoms. Swine Flu positive.

Overall this affected my family less than a usual cold.

 

 

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rickets wrote:

Doc, do you know what the stats for people between ages 5 and 50 re death rates?  I think that would be significant, since the normal flu kills almost no one in this age bracket.

True. Those are just the overall stats and include all related deaths when infected with swine flu including bacterial superinfections. ie you died while infected -- even if the death was from something else like a bacterial infection or even a heart attack.

I believe the great majority of those deaths would be (as you correctly stated) in adults and children with other underlying chronic illnesses or at the extremes of age.  However, this is just my educated guess because I really have not seen the actual data they are going on.

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My family (including our 10 mo old) also had mild symptoms.  We didn't get tested, but most of our symptoms matched the description so odds are it was H1N1 in our case.  With all our family, it lasted no more than 4-5 days.

- Nickbert

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@Cloudfire Yes actually, there are a few things I'm not telling you.

1) I live in Canada with a health care system rather than a health care industry so we have more vaccines available.

2) I have an underlying medical condition that puts me in a high risk group.

So far no side effects other than a totally undeserved feeling of arrogrance and smugness, but heck I'm like that most days. :D

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Cloudfire wrote:

Thanks for the anecdotal account, Steve . . . I've posted about the long history of elderberry syrup for prevention and treatment of influenza.  I'm not sure where it was posted, but I also duplicated the info over on my blog. 

Cloudfire, I believe you pointed us to this link:

http://purecajunsunshine.blogspot.com/2009/05/everything-you-ever-wanted...  

I followed here recipe exactly other than using less sugar since it was for immediate use and I did use a metal pot in spite of her insistence on not using one.  Other online elderberry recipes actually recommend a metal pot.

BTW, I've posted results of my acorn experience recently at:

http://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/wild-foods/29361

Thanks, Steve, I really liked hearing about your acorn experiment . . . We're loaded with oaks, here, and I'm going to try that, one of these days . . .

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Hello everyone!

I'm new to the forum.  I appreciate all the collaboration that goes on here.

Here is my witness account:

My son was very sick with a fever, aches, sore throat, and stuffy nose, and a croup cough. I thought he may have the swine flu after 3 days, but not sure because he usually does get croup.  I mainly took him into the doctor on the 3rd day to make sure he wasn't developing an infection in the ears, throat, or nose.  The urgent care doctor checked his throat, ears, and listened for fluid in the lungs...everything was clear.  The doctor said she would bet he does have swine flu. The usual treatment for the flu was recommended...acetaminophen for fever, good nutrition, lots of water and fluids, rest, but not too much bed rest...sit when possible to clear the lungs, keep the nose clear with saline, and cough medicine at night, if needed.

The next morning while my son was taking a bath, I noticed a rash(fine/sandpaper-like) all over his abdomen, legs, inside of his arms, and neck.  I took him back into urgent care.  The doctor took a look at him and said, "A case of scarlet fever".  Scarlet fever is basically a severe or advanced Strep bacteria infection. The doctor tested my son's throat for Strep and it came back positive...penicillin was prescribed.

I thought my son was misdiagnosed initially, but now I'm wondering about the swine flu/strep mystery connection.  Also, to inform others to get a Strep test done...if experiencing Strep or Swine Flu symptoms.  Scarlet fever/Strep can cause liver, kidney, lung damage, and death if left untreated. 

My son has been recovering quickly with the antibiotic.

-littleone

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Here in New York's Capital District, all of the schools I know of have had (and this is my guess) a 1/3 to 1/2 infection rate over the past few weeks.  So the larger number of pediatric deaths could be due to the fact that the children got it all at once and it will soon be over for them.  The actual death rate (per infected child) is probably still very low.

Steve

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thanks.  35 peds deaths last week. way up from 0 last year, but less than a third of the 90 peds deaths in the same week in 2007.

that 39 cases of mumps is quite troubling also.

I just wish we had a denominator ie total peds infections.I would estimate probably 5 or 6 million cases a week right now at the peak of the epidemic.

Also as far as the flu / strep connection. 25- 30 percent of kids carry strep which when their immune systems are weakened by the flu can break out into symptomatic disease.  Also many of the deaths attributed to the flu are due to bacterial superinfections.

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Hey Ed . . . You dead yet? . . .  Wink

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Ed's a Canadian.  You can't kill those suckers.Laughing

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Sadly for you cloud, I'm very much alive, with a slight desire for organ meats, like liver or cow brains.

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Ed Archer wrote:

Sadly for you cloud, I'm very much alive, with a slight desire for organ meats, like liver or cow brains.

Laughing Aw, c'mon, Ed, What would I do without you to harrass me?

Now, we can't have you ducking the swine flu, only to be taken down by mad cow disease . . .

 

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Ed's a Canadian.  You can't kill those suckers.Laughing

Yeah, but I might die laughing  Laughing

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So, two and a half days have passed, my arm is no longer sore and other than that I feel fine.

When is it am I supposed to turn into a goverment radio controlled zombie anyway? Someone here must listen to alex jones and can tell me. :)

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Congratulations Ed! You are now sterile!Tongue out

 

It was a joke. Hoser!

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Congratulations Ed! You are now sterile!Tongue out

 

It was a joke. Hoser!

He was sterile before, Doc . . . Now he's radioactive . . .  Wink

 

Thanks for the update, Ed . . . Good to hear you're still fine.

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Socialist Medicine RULESS!!

The country's chief public health officer says Canada is leading the world when it comes to the percentage of its citizens vaccinated against the swine flu.

Dr. David Butler-Jones says about 20 per cent of the population has received the H1N1 shot in the last three weeks. Canada has about 33 million people.

Link

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Congratulations!  I think....  Does that mean that 80 percent of Canada's population can't see a doctor to get the vaccine?   Or does it mean that 80 percent of Canada's population thinks the vaccine is bullshit?  Could it be that there is a shortage of vaccine in Canada, because they are shipping a vaccine to a country that actually pays for it?

Just wondering...  :angel

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Just havn't had the chance to get it yet I think, we are still doing the critical groups. Youngsters and old people and people with health concerns, etc.

They have been expanding the amount of groups that can get it, not sure what they are up to now. :)

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Not an update on me but one on my local area.

Everyone in the GTA will soon be able to get an H1N1 shot.

:)

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Ed Archer wrote:

Not an update on me but one on my local area.

Everyone in the GTA will soon be able to get an H1N1 shot.

:)

yippee.

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I knew that would make YOU happy cloudfire. :D

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