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Sunday's headline: "Israel names Russians helping Iran build nuclear bomb." War drums are beating faster.

The war drums are increasing their tempo, and the media is headlining the issues, but from whose perspective? We know the mainstream media is controlled by a very few elites. We know their power to control the masses, and the question is; are we receiving all the facts or are we being manipulated for some secretive purpose?

Today's headline in the 'World news' section of the TimesOnLine is:

Israel names Russians helping Iran build nuclear bomb (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/)

As always our choices are to become informed or not, and be passive or active around the issues. Personally, I am opposed to war, death and destruction, and offer some further links with info that we are not receiving in the media spotlight.

John Pilger recently pointed out:  

"In 2001, the Observer in London published a series of reports that claimed an “Iraqi connection” to al-Qaeda, even describing the base in Iraq where the training of terrorists took place and a facility where anthrax was being manufactured as a weapon of mass destruction. It was all false. Supplied by US intelligence and Iraqi exiles, planted stories in the British and US media helped George Bush and Tony Blair to launch an illegal invasion which caused, according to the most recent study, 1.3 million deaths.

Something similar is happening over Iran: the same syncopation of government and media “revelations”, the same manufacture of a sense of crisis. “Showdown looms with Iran over secret nuclear plant”, declared the Guardian on 26 September. “Showdown” is the theme. High noon. The clock ticking. Good versus evil........."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info...

And in today's website, 'WhatReallyHappened.com, comes the following response to the Times article quoted above:

Israel is getting desperate to sell this new war for Americans to be killed and crippled in.

Here is a recap of what they are trying to make you forget.
1. Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.
2. The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

3. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.
4. Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.
5. Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.
6. Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat.

7. The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.

8. In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.
9. Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.
10. The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish), and the United States will block the report from being referred to the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, thereby making the US Government an accessory after-the-fact.
We all need to be Joe Wilson right now. We need to stand up and scream, "LIAR!" at every politician and every talking media moron that is pushing this war in Iran. And we need to keep dong it until they get the message that we will not be deceived any more.

Israel wants to send your kids off to die in Iran, and YOU are the only one that can stop them.
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The bizarre thing is that most people seem to have forgotten that Iraq was attacked over false claims that they had WMDs.  It seems obvious that bush and his neocon administration purposely misled the world in fabricating yellow cakes and other lies.  We should have had a full investigation and if bush was lying, he should have been impeached and tried for treason along with his PNAC buddies.

The major problem in the U.S., there is no accountability.  Part of the reason is that our media, music, movies and newspapers are almost all owned by corporate conglomerates that are controlled by the private federal reserve and the international banking cartel.  The media is a propaganda machine and congress is just as corrupt.  "Sen. Dick Durbin, blurted out an obvious truth about Congress that, despite being blindingly obvious, is rarely spoken: "And the banks -- hard to believe in a time when we're facing a banking crisis that many of the banks created -- are still the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. And they frankly own the place."

Notice that there is absolutely no news coverage reminding us about the Iraqi debacle and the reasons why congress alone has the authority to wage war.  And, your links about Israel's refusal to comply with the IAEA should be front page news.  Why aren't we suggesting sanctions against Israel?

Speaking of war, Ten American troops were killed at the weekend in two surprise attacks that caused alarm in Nato’s US-led coalition.  Would someone please remind the war mongers that the U.S. is insolvent, we can't afford anymore imperial wars.  Does anyone at the pentagon take their constitutional oath seriously?  How long will they lead young American's to their death in unconstitutional wars?

Larry

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And in today's website, 'WhatReallyHappened.com, comes the following response to the Times article quoted above:

Israel is getting desperate to sell this new war for Americans to be killed and crippled in.

Here is a recap of what they are trying to make you forget.
1. Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.
2. The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

3. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.
4. Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.
5. Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.
6. Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat.

7. The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.

8. In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.
9. Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.
10. The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish), and the United States will block the report from being referred to the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, thereby making the US Government an accessory after-the-fact.
We all need to be Joe Wilson right now. We need to stand up and scream, "LIAR!" at every politician and every talking media moron that is pushing this war in Iran. And we need to keep dong it until they get the message that we will not be deceived any more.

Israel wants to send your kids off to die in Iran, and YOU are the only one that can stop them.
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Here's the link to said article at whatreallyhappened.com:  http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/IranvIsrael.php

 

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As always, great comments DrKrbyLuv, and thank you, C1oudfire, for keeping me honest :-)

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The world is NOT against Israel.

It just APPEARS to be against her.

As it must.

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Morpheus wrote,

The world is NOT against Israel. It just APPEARS to be against her. As it must.

Found an encouraging website, 'Jewish Voice For Peace'

http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

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Hmmm . . .

Some interesting jockeying in the Middle East, of late . . . Control of key oil fields and spiritual centers are at stake . .  Control, indeed . . . Arguably, these are the two most powerful agents for control of the world's population . . . . This is one area where the stakes are astronomically high . . . control of the planet itself . . .  the very best "players" are at the chess board, and the illusions are quite complex . . . Illusions within illusions . . . The first key is to watch the outcomes, not the words or policies . . . and then to ask, "Who benefits?"  The outcomes will be carefully orchestrated, as always, to appear to be an organic outgrowth of public demand . . . Israel may appear to be the instigator (that's the second layer . . . Boogey Man Iran, being the first layer), and indeed, she's far from innocent, but I'll wager that she's only a pawn, to be sacrificed to protect the king . . .

Simplistic thinking and emotional reactivity will not reveal the truth of the Middle East conundrum . . . Only fools will grasp for the easy answer . . . But, there's an abundance of them to draw from . . . . Lesser fools will scapegoat the second layer, Israel,  . . .  in their arrogance, failing to consider that there are those who are clever enough to have set multiple layers of traps  . . .  The second key is not to hold on to any notion that one fully understands the situation . . . to be willing to discard ideas that do not fully explain the outcomes . . . 

Even so, it is likely that the reward for one's effort will only be the ability to watch the "game" with full understanding of the stakes, strategies, and outcome  . . .  The outcome is preordained  . . .  though the hour may be postponed  . . .  Nonetheless, it is an occupation worth engaging in . . .  The unexamined life is not worth living (Socrates) . . .  I couldn't agree more . . . and we can all see our reflections in Destiny's play in the Middle East . . .

 

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How about adding this into the mix!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6256173/Mahmou...

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brit -

Interesting find. 

If memory serves me correctly, historians were able to determine that Hitler was 1/16 Jewish.

Coincident irony??

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The Arabs (not Iranians, who are not Arabs) have made many mistakes over the years; they're still here as nations.

Israel can't make a mistake. It 's too bad the Iranian people will suffer for their government's stupidity.

Actually, I guess that's about the way it is for citizens in most countries......

 

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We're all related . . .

Edit:  Aw, heck . . . It's not worth the trouble. . . .

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Here is a petition being sent to Congress from the Jewish Voice For Peace

(Some of the wording).......I care deeply for the safety of Israelis, and I am trying to make sure that Palestinian civilians are safe as well. I believe that harming civilians in Gaza does not make Israelis any safer. Only a just, negotiated agreement will bring safety to both populations.

http://withstringsattached.org/

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Ultimately, it's the Jews in Israel, who will end the ongoing conflict. There are many there who are hip to the notion that the ongoing antagonism is in part due to an economy, that is structured around ongoing military conflict. It's tough to let go of entrenched ideas, beliefs, etc...If I was a Jew in Israel, I don't know what I'd be thinking.  Iran could be accused of being completely negligent from a defensive point of view, if they DIDN'T have a nuclear program.  Israel has to reduce it's offensive posturing, helping it make sense for Iran to abandon basic military strategy, if peace is to have any chance at all.

 

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I wonder if this big story has anything to do with the topic of this thread:

The demise of the dollar  (H/T Lemonyellowschwin)

 In a graphic illustration of the new world order, Arab states have launched secret moves with China, Russia and France to stop using the US currency for oil trading

In the most profound financial change in recent Middle East history, Gulf Arabs are planning – along with China, Russia, Japan and France – to end dollar dealings for oil, moving instead to a basket of currencies including the Japanese yen and Chinese yuan, the euro, gold and a new, unified currency planned for nations in the Gulf Co-operation Council, including Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Qatar.

Secret meetings have already been held by finance ministers and central bank governors in Russia, China, Japan and Brazil to work on the scheme, which will mean that oil will no longer be priced in dollars.  The plans, confirmed to The Independent by both Gulf Arab and Chinese banking sources in Hong Kong, may help to explain the sudden rise in gold prices, but it also augurs an extraordinary transition from dollar markets within nine years.

Iran announced late last month that its foreign currency reserves would henceforth be held in euros rather than dollars. Bankers remember, of course, what happened to the last Middle East oil producer to sell its oil in euros rather than dollars. A few months after Saddam Hussein trumpeted his decision, the Americans and British invaded Iraq.

Was this the big reason why Iraq was attacked...was it all about keeping the petrodollar?  Does the rest of the world see the same thing happening with Iran?  Here are a couple articles that may be influencing other nations, and is it a coincidence that we don't see this type of media coverage here?

Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday that "Israel is number one threat to Middle East" with its nuclear arms, the official IRNA news agency reported.  At a joint press conference with Iran's Atomic Energy Organization chief Ali Akbar Salehi in Tehran, ElBaradei brought Israel under spotlight and said that the Tel Aviv regime has refused to allow inspections into its nuclear installations for 30years, the report said.

The UN's chief weapons inspector, Mohamed ElBaradei, said today he had seen "no credible evidence" that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, rejecting British intelligence allegations that a weapons programme has been going on for at least four years.

  • ElBaradei says nuclear Israel number one threat to Mideast: report

    TEHRAN, Oct. 4 (Xinhua) -- Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday that "Israel is number one threat to Middle East" with its nuclear arms, the official IRNA news agency reported.

    At a joint press conference with Iran's Atomic Energy Organization chief Ali Akbar Salehi in Tehran, ElBaradei brought Israel under spotlight and said that the Tel Aviv regime has refused to allow inspections into its nuclear installations for 30years, the report said.  "Israel is the number one threat to the Middle East given the nuclear arms it possesses," ElBaradei was quoted as saying.

 The U.S. and Israel have been ratcheting up their threats against Iran. 

  • GOP Senators: US, Not Israel, Should Attack Iran ‘If Necessary’

    Two senior Republican senators say the United States, and not Israel, should attack Iran if military action becomes "necessary."  They also say a simple strike at the country's nuclear capability wouldn't be enough -- the US would have to launch an "all-or-nothing" war against Iran with the aim of crippling the country's military capabilities.

    "I think an Israeli attack on Iran is a nightmare for the world, because it will rally the Arab world around Iran and they're not aligned now. It's too much pressure to put on Israel," Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) told Fox News' Chris Wallace. "If we use military action against Iran, we should not only go after their nuclear facilities. We should destroy their ability to make conventional war. They should have no planes that can fly and no ships that can float," said Graham.  Sen. Saxby Chambliss, Republican of Georgia, agrees.  "Lindsey's right. It's an all or nothing deal."

I think the U.S. should mind it's own business and manage it's own affairs, and not be subservient to oil companies, the international banking cartel and other nations.  

Larry

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Larry -

This is straight off the pages of "Fourth Turning".  Regardless of the motive forces behind the march to crisis, we are in fact on a glide path to repeat history going back 400 years.  Crisis into Awakening. 

Hope it doesn't hurt too bad.

Winter of discontent anyone?

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from Bloomberg news just, according to PAX (??), the majority of US citizens would be in favour of a military strike to prevent Iran gaining nuclear wepons. 

The drums sound louder............

I just love the throw away comments thay make on these types of things...........

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Hello Dogs,

I looked into the "Fourth Turning" as you suggested and I agree, I gotta read it.  The patterns seem to be there to support the premise, at least it looked that way from visiting their website.  

You mentioned earlier that Iran; even if they developed a nuke, would be a low teir player.  They don't have the stealthy subs and infrastructure to deliver or defend against any of the big guys.  If ya don't mind, I had a few questions: 

  1. Doesn't Iran have biological and chemical weapons and some dirty bombs?
  2. I think Iran has the capability to deliver them through-out the middle east.  Wouldn't U.S. troops in Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Afghanistan, etc., be in range?
  3. If U.S. forces were attacked with missiles with biological, chemical, dirty warheads - wouldn't that automatically trigger a nuclear response?
  4. I've read that Iran has sophisticated mines that would stop safe passage through the Straits of Hormuz and they have the ability to place them quickly.  If this is true, then wouldn't it take weeks for the U.S. to clean them up - stopping the flow of much of the worlds oil?

Oh, BTW, the Steelers whooped San Diego.  That was great, but I'm going to get gray hair if the defense continues to disappear in the 4th quarter!

Larry  

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Hello Dogs,

I looked into the "Fourth Turning" as you suggested and I agree, I gotta read it.  The patterns seem to be there to support the premise, at least it looked that way from visiting their website.  

It's a tough read, you'll need to read it in a quiet room.  Lots of material to keep track of - I ended up taking notes to keep track of the various theories presented and the people behind them.

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You mentioned earlier that Iran; even if they developed a nuke, would be a low teir player.  They don't have the stealthy subs and infrastructure to deliver or defend against any of the big guys.  If ya don't mind, I had a few questions:

Doesn't Iran have biological and chemical weapons and some dirty bombs?

I don't know for sure, but if I had to guess I'd say yes.  White phosphorus is considered a chem weapon and they are a dime a dozen in many countries inventories.  It's a safe bet that Iran has some Soviet bio weapons laying around.  And a dirty bomb is easily enough assembled - but the impact of a dirty bomb on a battlefield is probably no more than a regular explosive.  Use of a dirty bomb is far more effective in an urban setting to generate fear and panic.  In any event, the effective radius of such weapons is limited in todays mobile warfare environment - gone are the days of striking a huge troop concentration while staging for an invasion.  That's a throwback to the Cold War days when the US tactic would be to lob nuclear artillery shells into Soviet tank, armor and infantry formations as they flowed through the Fulda Gap into West Germany.

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I think Iran has the capability to deliver them through-out the middle east.  Wouldn't U.S. troops in Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Afghanistan, etc., be in range?

Being in range and being in effective weapons range are two different things.  While Iran's SAHAB 3 and 4 IRBMs are far better than North Korea's Taepo Dong I and II missiles, you still are limited by available warhead packages.  A conventional tip is going to have a very localized impact, an NBC tip a little bit more, but they probably don't have enough to strike all the bases within range that could be used as staging areas.  And again, you have the challenge of having to be able to rapidly flex target as troop concentrations move.  Also, our theater missile defense capability is pretty robust so we'd have a pretty good crack at whatever is coming in.  And on a more hawkish note, if we were to the point that we were marshalling troops for an invasion, you can bet that the known SAHAB launch sites would get preempted.

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If U.S. forces were attacked with missiles with biological, chemical, dirty warheads - wouldn't that automatically trigger a nuclear response?

Not necessarily.  It's very hard to predict where the nuclear response threshold is, but the use of Chem/Bio against troops probably wouldn't be a scenario where a nuclear response would be considered seriously.  Now if a country were to target population centers with Chem/Bio, I think a nuclear retaliatory strike would not only be considered but warranted.  You may remember all the stories floating around before the first Gulf War where the US, UK and Israel all informed Saddam that if he used Chem/Bio tipped SCUDs against Israel that all three countries would respond with nuclear strikes.  As a side note, a nuke fireball is a great Bio agent defeat mechanism. 

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I've read that Iran has sophisticated mines that would stop safe passage through the Straits of Hormuz and they have the ability to place them quickly.  If this is true, then wouldn't it take weeks for the U.S. to clean them up - stopping the flow of much of the worlds oil?

They probably have some sophisticated mines - CAPTOR, ascending or moored influence - but the vast majority is likely the old WWII hedgehog contact mines.  They are cheap, plentiful and easy to seed.  Back in 1988, during OPERATION PRAYING MANTIS,  we attacked military targets in Iran in response to the mine attack on USS SAMUEL ROBERTS, sinking several Iranian gunboats and destroying oil platforms that the Iranians were using as Command and Control centers. 

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1079/is_n2135_v88/ai_6495620/

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Operation_Earnest_Will

So while they could probably bottle up Hormuz for a while by seeding the navigable channel with mines,they would do so at the risk of further alienating themselves from other countries in the region.  And in any event, the US could clear the channel in short order to get things flowing again.  And even if we missed a few, most of the tankers going through Hormuz are double hulled so they could suck up a couple of detonations without suffering too much damage (as long as it wasn't near the screws and rudder assemblies. 

 

Let's just hope that it doesn't come to any of this.

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First, thanks Dogs for that complete and detailed answer about Iran's military capabilities.

Max Keiser comments on the Fisk article suggesting that this move is to stop funding U.S. war efforts and "genocide."  He also suggests that this will happen much sooner than suggested (nine years).

Larry

 

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I don't know for sure, but if I had to guess I'd say yes.  White phosphorus is considered a chem weapon and they are a dime a dozen in many countries inventories.  It's a safe bet that Iran has some Soviet bio weapons laying around.  And a dirty bomb is easily enough assembled - but the impact of a dirty bomb on a battlefield is probably no more than a regular explosive.  Use of a dirty bomb is far more effective in an urban setting to generate fear and panic.  In any event, the effective radius of such weapons is limited in todays mobile warfare environment - gone are the days of striking a huge troop concentration while staging for an invasion.  That's a throwback to the Cold War days when the US tactic would be to lob nuclear artillery shells into Soviet tank, armor and infantry formations as they flowed through the Fulda Gap into West Germany.

. . . .

Being in range and being in effective weapons range are two different things.  While Iran's SAHAB 3 and 4 IRBMs are far better than North Korea's Taepo Dong I and II missiles, you still are limited by available warhead packages.  A conventional tip is going to have a very localized impact, an NBC tip a little bit more, but they probably don't have enough to strike all the bases within range that could be used as staging areas.  And again, you have the challenge of having to be able to rapidly flex target as troop concentrations move.  Also, our theater missile defense capability is pretty robust so we'd have a pretty good crack at whatever is coming in.  And on a more hawkish note, if we were to the point that we were marshalling troops for an invasion, you can bet that the known SAHAB launch sites would get preempted.

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If U.S. forces were attacked with missiles with biological, chemical, dirty warheads - wouldn't that automatically trigger a nuclear response?

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Not necessarily.  It's very hard to predict where the nuclear response threshold is, but the use of Chem/Bio against troops probably wouldn't be a scenario where a nuclear response would be considered seriously.  Now if a country were to target population centers with Chem/Bio, I think a nuclear retaliatory strike would not only be considered but warranted.  You may remember all the stories floating around before the first Gulf War where the US, UK and Israel all informed Saddam that if he used Chem/Bio tipped SCUDs against Israel that all three countries would respond with nuclear strikes.  As a side note, a nuke fireball is a great Bio agent defeat mechanism. 

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I've read that Iran has sophisticated mines that would stop safe passage through the Straits of Hormuz and they have the ability to place them quickly.  If this is true, then wouldn't it take weeks for the U.S. to clean them up - stopping the flow of much of the worlds oil?

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They probably have some sophisticated mines - CAPTOR, ascending or moored influence - but the vast majority is likely the old WWII hedgehog contact mines.  They are cheap, plentiful and easy to seed.  Back in 1988, during OPERATION PRAYING MANTIS,  we attacked military targets in Iran in response to the mine attack on USS SAMUEL ROBERTS, sinking several Iranian gunboats and destroying oil platforms that the Iranians were using as Command and Control centers. 

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1079/is_n2135_v88/ai_6495620/

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Operation_Earnest_Will

So while they could probably bottle up Hormuz for a while by seeding the navigable channel with mines,they would do so at the risk of further alienating themselves from other countries in the region.  And in any event, the US could clear the channel in short order to get things flowing again.  And even if we missed a few, most of the tankers going through Hormuz are double hulled so they could suck up a couple of detonations without suffering too much damage (as long as it wasn't near the screws and rudder assemblies. 

Let's just hope that it doesn't come to any of this.

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Hi, Dogs;

All very interesting information.  Could you please provide links or references to support the following assertions?

  • "Iran's SAHAB 3 and 4 IRBMs are far better than North Korea's Taepo Dong I and II missiles."
  • "Our theater missile defense capability is pretty robust so we'd have a pretty good crack at whatever is coming in."
  • "They [the Iranians] probably have some sophisticated mines - CAPTOR, ascending or moored influence - but the vast majority is likely the old WWII hedgehog contact mines."

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