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Sixth Sense Make Knot in Stomach

Without endorsing the World of Wackos & Wackery (Tarot, Astrology, Conspiriology, etc.), I, not unlike various neuroscientists,  would like to propose that certain experiential oddities, for example,  a premonitory knot in the stomach or a general feeling of foreboding or anticipation, aka, intuition, are nothing more than a non-verbal  alert from a brain that has taken in a variety of available information (historical, contempoary and instantaneous--conscious and subconscious) and integrated that body of knowledge such as to "come to a conclusion" about the likelyhood  and nature of future events.  The brain does, indeed, not need to speak to communicate.

Now, of course, we've all (I assume) experienced mental false flags; that is to say, feelings that turned out to have no basis in reality--past or future. However, we've all (I assume) had the opposite experiences, as well.

The reason I mention the above is that I, myself, have been experiencing a most ominious foreboding that we are within moments of something horrendous; this may be due to having been on vacation and having spent 16 hours a day reading news of every conceivable kind in multiple languages from all around the world, but that is not that unusual for me, as I normally put in 4 to 6 hours on an average day. Thus, when my 6th sense says: "Run, fuc*er! Run!," I feel at least a bit uncomfortable.

To the point of the post: Got Fear?

I do.

Please post the news items that have been knotting up your stomach or rendering you a 6th sentian...

 

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Well, after reading DrKrbyLuv's thread of 12/18 regarding Maurice Strong, and specifically the fantastical "novel" Strong proposed to write someday, I've decided I won't plan to be far from home the weekend of the World Economic Forum at Davos, Switzerland (January 27 - 31.) And I'm doing my best to wrap up some plans before then.

Perhaps a bit far-fetched, but you asked for non-verbal alerts and that part of the article just leapt out at me. About a third of the way down at this link:

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I've been blessed with a damn good intuitive sense which, when I've listened to it, has never misguided me.  Let's just say, I don't get warm, fuzzy feelings about 2010.

On the other hand, reading news for 16 hours a day (ON YOUR VACATION NONETHELESS) is a recipe for misery!   

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Saffron,

That "article" is actually somewhat comforting in that it's the 'same old, same old," which I had no idea was as old as the writer indicates.  We have Maurice Strong again (retroactively) and Al Gore in a twisted Capitalistic-Pig, Socialistic (in the negative sense) take down of the planet. all for the planet's own good, while siphoning off the wealth (I assume) for the key players..."

I haven't read DrKrbyLuv's thread on Maurice Strong yet, but will get to it. I did catch a part of one of Jesse Ventura's new shows the other day (Maurice Strong again), and I have to say, that guy--Jesse--sure has had the run of the planet and made the most of his time here. Seems he can do just about anything he wants; and I think that's because he must really not take anything seriously. He just does what he needs to do to get to the next goal he has designed for himself, and he has a bunch of fun doing it. Until watching his new show, I actually thought he had salvaged himself from his wrestling days and had been a sincere (the one--there must be one) politician.

Anyhow, while I don't take  Maurice Strong seriously enough to allow him to affect my  outlook (conscious or otherwise), I do still feel off kimber for a reason that  hasn't expressed itselff in words yet; it's just siting in the pit of my stomach, grumbling away...

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ao,

"reading news for 16 hours a day...recipe for misery."

That's probably it in a nutshell.

Ignorance is...well, preferred.

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Please post the news items that have been knotting up your stomach or rendering you a 6th sentian...

I am deliberately critical of my own assessments. I want to make sure I 'understand' what I believe but I do have some dark feelings about the future. One of the main reasons I have these feelings is the complete lack of interest that most people have in what is happening in the world today combined with their strange, almost desperate optimism. Its really more akin to denial.

This creates the perfect enviroment for those that have the power and ability to impose their will on the masses. I mean this is how its always worked in the past...right? Have you ever looked over at a co-worker and thought if push came to shove I could see this guy turning in his neighbor to save his own neck?

I want to be optimistic but for the right reasons, not out of desperation or fear. With that said I think we have some dark days ahead that will bring out the worst in people.

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Johnny Oxygen,

Re: "Please post the news..."

Will post a few later. Nose back to the grindstone for now...

 

With the market on maximum pump today, maybe that's what my inner doomster was predicting; that is to say, all the wrong people (Goldman and the other front-running skimmers) milking more money from those of us who build and operate the real world.

H.

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I had a bit of a Crisis of the Soul last Fall-ish (mid-Sept?  I can't recall exactly) and I posted about it here.  It seems to me that I have these moments every so often but I am now starting to believe that they're my subconscious mind flipping out about having taken the red pill -- that I really, really AM prepping for potential bank holidays, food supply disruptions, fuel shortages, electricity outage, [fill in blank with potentially scary possible eventuality].  I'm not just playing games in my head now, I'm IN IT.  And while my conscious mind gets skeevy I can hush my conscious mind with talk of braving up "for my wife" or "for my community" and so on -- and the conscious mind shuts up and lets me get on with it.  

The unconscious mind, of course, is free to go down into the basement and howl down the moon in protest.  And I think I'm hearing those howls when I get a 6th Sense feeling of foreboding.

Then again, at some point I'll have a sense of foreboding and then a week later 9-11 Parte Deaux (or whatever Black Swan) will come to pass and I'll think "I could *totally*  *feel*  *it* coming!!!"

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SagerXX wrote:

I had a bit of a Crisis of the Soul last Fall-ish (mid-Sept?  I can't recall exactly) and I posted about it here.  It seems to me that I have these moments every so often but I am now starting to believe that they're my subconscious mind flipping out about having taken the red pill

I think that anyone who has even the smallest degree of concern for the future have these things, sometimes correctly, sometimes incorrectly. If you look at the structure and functioning of both the brain and the mind, there are some interesting connections. All data that enters your conscious comes from the limbic system or hindbrain. This is why in moments of extreme stress, people see things that haven't happened. There's a great story of a cop involved in a shootout, who saw his partner hit by one of the bad guys, he flipped out and wound up shooting both bad guys, then his partner tapped him on the shoulder and said he was the bravest or craziest person he'd ever seen, and the partner was totally ok wasn't shot wasn't wounded. The Cop who did the shooting though swore that he saw his partner shot, simply because most likely this vision was propagated to the conscious in a period of high stress. 

Anyway this presents in many ways (BTW the "subconscious" is often thought to reside in the limbic system) including dreams. Now the other thing is that all sensory input to the brain goes into the limbic system or the hind brain, but you are not consciously aware of it until something is propagated into your conscious (like leaning on a heater, you don't notice that it's hot until it hurts). So that is receiving millions of more times more information than your conscious is aware of. This presents in dreams and "feelings" that may or may not be accurate. 

Actually on a simpler and more familiar level you can see this in operation quite frequently, Suppose for instance you sprain your ankle, you take it easy for a few weeks, then use it as before, but then a few days later you take an awkward step, and bang the pains back. You take it easy for a few more weeks but you're much more aware of the feeling in your ankle because you've consciously focussed your mind onto that area, and your brain responds with more "data".

So since you're currently likely strongly focussed on external happenings that you don't have direct sensory input about your subconscious is going one step further and drawing extrapolations and conclusions likely from almost insignificant data that's being correctly or incorrectly extracted from whatever it is thats concerning, for instance the imaginary tone that we all "read" from someones text (newspaper articles, essays, forum postings etc.) that it's presenting to you as dreams, and bad feelings. Sometimes these will be accurate, and sometimes they won't, only time will tell.

Humans being what we are will remember the times that these events came to pass, and forget the times when they didn't, so, intuitive foreknowledge of events is remembered. You forget the 100 or so times that nothing happened.

Now of course whether this is the fabled sixth sense or not, is debatable. I'd argue that yes it is, since of our 5 senses we only get a fraction of the information presented to us (by design, our conscious minds couldn't handle all of that data), so that background processor is handling it for us, and how "in tune" to it we are to a certain extent defines how frequently we experience these things. Intuitives tend to be more in tune than sensors, but not always.

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Growth has slowed to a daily trickle of less than 100 new members a day. Although the website www.campaignforliberty.com has three new articles each day now. 

What bothers me more is that my wife refuses to even watch or read anything which I recommend, such as this site. Its worse than that but I will spare you the details. 

At least here I might find some like minded people who share the concerns brought to our attention here.

 

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Funny that you mention stomach knots specifically, as that's the primary way I try to use my intuition.  When I'm relatively relaxed, I picture in my head a decision or potential scenario and focus on what my stomach does.  If while picturing that scenario my stomach tenses or tightens, I generally conclude there's some problems or trouble ahead for that scenario or that decision.  If my stomach still feels relaxed, I take that as a tentative sign that the decision is a workable one or that there's not too much risk to me.

Some examples for me over the past year:

Is it a good idea to take a vacation to Asia this summer?  Stomach: relaxed and silent.

Am I going to be affected by bad inflation or hyper-inflation this year?  Stomach: mostly relaxed and silent.

Should me and my family stay and work in Denver?  Stomach: tensed (but it had relaxed when I thought about the decision to move up to Alaska to live and work)

I try to do this mostly with decisions and things that directly affect me, and not so much for more general things or world events.  Though there are certain scenarios that have got a definite response from my midsection when I think about them, one of those being the possibility of an Israel-Iran conflict this year.  Every time I think about it my stomach tightens up quite a bit.  It'd be interesting to see if my gut is steering me true on that, but that would be something I wouldn't mind being wrong about.

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Funny that you mention stomach knots specifically, as that's the primary way I try to use my intuition.  When I'm relatively relaxed, I picture in my head a decision or potential scenario and focus on what my stomach does.  If while picturing that scenario my stomach tenses or tightens, I generally conclude there's some problems or trouble ahead for that scenario or that decision.  If my stomach still feels relaxed, I take that as a tentative sign that the decision is a workable one or that there's not too much risk to me.

Some examples for me over the past year:

Is it a good idea to take a vacation to Asia this summer?  Stomach: relaxed and silent.

Am I going to be affected by bad inflation or hyper-inflation this year?  Stomach: mostly relaxed and silent.

Should me and my family stay and work in Denver?  Stomach: tensed (but it had relaxed when I thought about the decision to move up to Alaska to live and work)

I try to do this mostly with decisions and things that directly affect me, and not so much for more general things or world events.  Though there are certain scenarios that have got a definite response from my midsection when I think about them, one of those being the possibility of an Israel-Iran conflict this year.  Every time I think about it my stomach tightens up quite a bit.  It'd be interesting to see if my gut is steering me true on that, but that would be something I wouldn't mind being wrong about.

- Nickbert

 

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It's called the abdominal brain.  It reacts more quickly, instinctively, and intuitively than our thinking, reasoning cortical brain.  You are an astute self observer to discern its power.

http://www.amazon.com/Solar-Plexus-Abdominal-Brain/dp/1602060894/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262662157&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Second-Brain-Groundbreaking-Understanding-Disorders/dp/0060930721/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262662299&sr=1-7

 

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Nickbert said:

"When I'm relatively relaxed, I picture in my head a decision or potential scenario and focus on what my stomach does."

And so I wonder to what extent your gut response is a result of:

1.  past experience with the same or similar experiences you might have had;

2. an interpolation, where the imagined scenario can be slid between two or more other experiences;

3. an extrapolation that "defines" the imagined experience as extreme relative to your repertoire (I hate that word, but it seems useful here) of experience, and thus attempts some linear? progression of consequences?

Of course,  by starting with a specific potential encounter and by having an imagination strong enough to "put you there," you probably do get a pretty good "return on your investment," assuming that potential encounter is falls into one of the three categories above.

Interesting to contemplate the innate false sense of security that working within that framework  engenders; for example, I bet you couldn't have found anybody that would have taken you seriously if you had suggested, on 9/11/2001: "Hey, these towers have been attacked before, and there is word that Osama Bin Laden is going to mount an attack at any time now." I think they all would have laughed and tucked their heads back in over their desks.

What do you think your stomach would have done had you been there that day and tried to imagine such an event before it happened?

As for the current situation, I'm not trying to imagine anything other than continuing to work, breath, and eat; that is to say, I'm not evaluating any specific endeavor I might decide to pursue. I just have a feeling that something fuc*ing horrendous is about to happen; and I've had some experience with these feelings that require me to respect their existence.

A case in point: I once drove to a fairly remote mountain area where there is a trail head that leads up to a waterfall. I was going up to spend a little time sitting at the edge of the pool below the falls and read a  little Emerson (Ralph Waldo). When I arrived at the trail head, the roads were nearly totally blocked with a couple of feet of snow, though a lane (about 1 1/2 cars wide) had been plowed through the snow so that the residents could reach their cabins. Like the other hikers that day, I parked my car along the side of the plowed path, half in the snow and half in th path, thus leaving plenty of room for the biggest of trucks to pass by if need be.

I hiked up to the waterfall, planted myself on a rock above the snow, and proceeded to read Emerson's essay, Self Reliance. About half way through the reading I jumped off the rock and said to nobody in particluar (the waterfall essentially), "Fuck me. They're towing my car."

I threw the book in my backpack, ran the 1 mile back to the trail head, and watched as my car trailed off down the road behind a tow truck.

How did I come to that conclusion? I don't think it was knowledge of fact. I think it was an integration of bits and pieces of information (some conscious and some subconscious) that I had gathered on my journey to the spot; information which my brain proceeded to process, as brains do. At some point in the processing, by brain "had a revelation" and said, "Hey, there is a high probability that X is going to happen." Once presented with that assessment, my conscious mind took over and invoked enough melodrama to render me able to look at a water fall and pronounce my belief.

I don't think there was any hocus pocus, and extraordinary powers, and I think there is the distinct possiblity that I could have ran the mile back to the car and found it patiently wating.  In effect, I didn't really know anything. I just was presented with an event that had a certain probability when considered within the more complex frameword of information that my subconscious process was capable of considering.

Right now, after having spent about 200 hours reading news from around the world over the past couple of weeks, I feel like we are heading for armageddon. I can't point to any specific articles, collection of articles, genre of articles, or any of the interaction I have had similar to this one that might be responsible. I just feel it.

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Sager said:

"Then again, at some point I'll have a sense of foreboding and then a week later 9-11 Parte Deaux (or whatever Black Swan) will come to pass and I'll think "I could *totally*  *feel*  *it* coming!!!"

Gungir got at the heart of that:

"So since you're currently likely strongly focussed on external happenings that you don't have direct sensory input about your subconscious is going one step further and drawing extrapolations and conclusions likely from almost insignificant data that's being correctly or incorrectly extracted from whatever it is thats concerning, for instance the imaginary tone that we all "read" from someones text (newspaper articles, essays, forum postings etc.) that it's presenting to you as dreams, and bad feelings. Sometimes these will be accurate, and sometimes they won't, only time will tell.

Humans being what we are will remember the times that these events came to pass, and forget the times when they didn't, so, intuitive foreknowledge of events is remembered. You forget the 100 or so times that nothing happened."

Ditto. Had I read your posts before I made my last, I wouldn't have bothered; i.e., everything I said and stuff I wanted to say and couldn't--or forgot to--was encapsulated in your posts.

As another example of what is, I guess, selective memory, I suffer fond reminiscences of my years living abroad here and there when I encounter things that remind me, and  I somehow filter out the negative times (unless prodded by need to remember). For example,  I once found myself throwing Soju bottles against the wall of my apartment because my frustration level  at all  things culturally incomprehensible had rendered me unable to deal with one more challenge, no matter how significant; that challenge was. The challenge that  pushed me over and, thus, motivated flying green glass was that I couldn't figure out how to make a certain chart line up on a web page i was designing. Suddenly: "Look! It's a plane. No. It's the green hornet. No. It's the American throwing Soju bottles again..."  I looked at the wall, around the room, in the mirror, and shook my head in wonder: "How did that happen?"

Those negative experiences rarely come to mind in a spontanteous way, whereas the positive ocassionally overwhelm me. Great the way some things work.

As for inaccurrate readings by the 6th sense:  I think you've nailed it Gungir; i.e., probably forgot those by the score.

So I guess the subconscious mind has an ego of its own.

H.

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ao wrote:

It's called the abdominal brain.  It reacts more quickly, instinctively, and intuitively than our thinking, reasoning cortical brain.  You are an astute self observer to discern its power.

http://www.amazon.com/Solar-Plexus-Abdominal-Brain/dp/1602060894/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262662157&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Second-Brain-Groundbreaking-Understanding-Disorders/dp/0060930721/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262662299&sr=1-7

ao -

I've always tried to listen to my intuition, but for most of my life I used it almost always in a passive or reactive sort of way like most of us.  Oddly enough I think it was driving for a living that gave me practice with that... between icy/snowy roads, moose, psychotic and/or unaware drivers, and inattentive tourists crossing the roads at the wrong times, intuition (with a bit of paranoia Tongue out) proved useful.  Actually it wasn't until recently that someone told me how to listen to my gut in the more active way like I described.  It seemed like such a simple thing I could hardly believe I didn't think of it on my own.  Like my more sudden and reactive intuitive hunches there's no perfect track record, but so far it seems I've benefitted more than lost.  So far the biggest 'miss' has been a past hunch in summer that we'd see some sort of economic shakeup (sovereign default or bankruptcy on the level of Lehman Bros.) before year's end.  There were some substantial hiccups to be sure (Dubai for instance) but nothing to match what my gut was hinting at.

I don't know how much I buy into the abdominal brain theory as described by the description of the books you linked to, as it seems to me that a simpler explanation is that it's most likely our regular brain just acting through other parts of the body in ways that aren't clear.  But I certainly won't dismiss the possibility.

Headless -

I would say 1, 2, and 3 all to an equivalent degree.  And as you allude to, there does seem an element that responds to stimuli that we aren't consciously aware of.  I don't mind too much not knowing the 'why' of it... it works more often than not and that's most important. 

Besides, it's nice to know there is some mystery in life.

- Nickbert

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I don't know how much I buy into the abdominal brain theory as described by the description of the books you linked to, as it seems to me that a simpler explanation is that it's most likely our regular brain just acting through other parts of the body in ways that aren't clear.  But I certainly won't dismiss the possibility.

It's not a theory.  If you read Gershon's book, the works of the eminent Princeton physiologist Irvin Korr on the autonomic nervous system, S.G. Pickering's book, etc., etc. you'll find all the science.  Perhaps it should be called the abdominal "brain" for clarity sake and yes, the two brains have an ongoing "communication". 

 

 

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I don't think there was any hocus pocus, and extraordinary powers, and I think there is the distinct possiblity that I could have ran the mile back to the car and found it patiently wating.  In effect, I didn't really know anything. I just was presented with an event that had a certain probability when considered within the more complex frameword of information that my subconscious process was capable of considering.

Maybe, maybe not.  I don't have the time to go into details now but we all have the capability of accessing information that could not normally be accessed through any means we presently understand.  Most of these situations can be rationalized away but some of them cannot. 

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Actually in September 2008, my GI guy was explaining the primitive "gut" brain to me, after I had serious abdominal cramps, pain, etc. So much so it led to a trip to the ER, CT scan and getting an upper and lower GI, he put it down to stress. Funny how Lehmans and the sub-prime crash happened on the 14th. At that time it wasn't that I could care less about the sub-prime mortgage crisis.

However this could just be coincidental hindsight, or more than coicidence.

 

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 Just couldn't resist the urge to post this...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR7xzf7hW7k

 

 

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Colbert: via Plato:  "I call it the no fact zone. Fox news! [wagging finger]  I hold a copyright on that term." 

I am so glad Colbert is on "my side."

ao said:

"Maybe, maybe not.  I don't have the time to go into details now but we all have the capability of accessing information that could not normally be accessed through any means we presently understand.  Most of these situations can be rationalized away but some of them cannot."

Not quite clear on that ao. Does that mean I need to prepare myself for the legitimization of Hocus Pocus? ;)

As to what I think you're saying (paraphrased): "Man always knows more than Man knows." (You interpreted; my words; all rights reserved ©)

Or as Mark Twain said:  “It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.”

Examples: The Earth is flat; light is propogated by  the ether; Buy and Hold; CNBC is a financial news channel; Obama has integrity; "I'm doing God's work." (That one may cost him the ultimate price--and I don't mean he'll be struck down from above.)

If you have the time, would love to hear more of your insight into the possible mechanisms of "knowing."  And believe me, I know I know nothing, and,  thus, I  do have an open mind--except when I don't...

There are so many things that I try not to contemplate, as I almost always fall victim to my curiosity and "zombie out" for hours at a time lost in their consideration; e.g., the wave-particle duality;  infinity--and what comes after;  synchronicity of isolated wave functions (a sort of road trip wave-particle duality).  You might enjoy this: http://www.neuroquantology.com/journal/index.php/nq/article/viewFile/4/4).

H.

 

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"And as you allude to, there does seem an element that responds to stimuli that we aren't consciously aware of.  I don't mind too much not knowing the 'why' of it... it works more often than not and that's most important. 

Besides, it's nice to know there is some mystery in life."

 

Preamble: I don't think what I'm about to mention falls into the selective memory category.

You play golf? If so, you ever know on the backswing that the ball is going to go exactly where you intend? That's the golf equivalent of orgasm. 

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Headless wrote:

Preamble: I don't think what I'm about to mention falls into the selective memory category.

You play golf? If so, you ever know on the backswing that the ball is going to go exactly where you intend? That's the golf equivalent of orgasm. 

The only golf I've ever played involved colored golf balls, windmills, and trying to get the ball up ramps and past the plastic gorilla.  But I think I know what you're getting at Smile

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