Should I trust future university pension payments or opt for lump sum cash?

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Jessamine's picture
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Should I trust future university pension payments or opt for lump sum cash?

I will be retiring from a public employer in California within two years. Their defined-benefit pension plan is currently 80% funded (that's what we've been told) and, thankfully, not part of the State of California's PERS pension plan. I firmly believe our economy will have a major melt-down within this decade so I am uneasy about leaving my retirement funds with an organization that is already so financially strapped. I will have one opportunity to either cash out (roll-over those funds into a personal IRA) or receive a 'promise' of monthly income for the rest of my life.

I must factor in that my father and mother are both in their mid-90's and very healthy, so my life expectancy could be another 30-40 years. I will be 60 years old when I retire and plan to work elsewhere for another 5-10 years. If I took the monthly payments they would amount to about $3,330 per month for a total of $1.2 million over the 30 years from age 60 to age 90 (even more if, like my parents, I live beyond 90). The lump sum cash payment would be $504,000, which is about 42% of the amount paid out monthly over 30 years. I would need to earn about 7% growth on this lump sum to equal the monthly payments provided by the pension.

I do not know the legalities that pertain to pensions such as this (e.g. Could promised payments be reduced in future years?) and would appreciate any advice or resource suggestions from fellow realists.

Thank you very much.



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You Are On Your Own

Everything is on the table when bankruptcy of an entity is involved - and that involves payments going to zero, as happened with an Alabama town that didn't have money to pay retirees. Even when bankruptcy is only threatened, it galvanizes unions to accept major cuts to retiree benefits to avoid even deeper cuts under a bankruptcy plan, as has occurred in some Rhode Island cities.

So, legally, is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? Probably not yet. California public unions are, collectively, pretty strong and have enjoyed a headlock on the legislature, and thus garnered great gains in benefits and retirement pensions and health care coverage - despite years of budget deficits, and especially during the tech, housing, and student loans bubbles.

As for a lump sum payment or a steady trickle, you'll need to check with a CPA or other qualified financial advisor versed in situations such as yours, specific to California and the U.C. retirement system, and your tax situation.

You are welcome to go searching the forums on 401(k) plans, IRAs, and cashing out of retirement plans (scroll past the advertisements) for more information.

Every few days or weeks, a newcomer shows up and creates a forum topic along these lines after not finding anything. It seems they are worried about their future prospects under the existing political and economic system, and their retirement money is the first thing on their mind.



Note: Here are a sampling of other 401(k) and IRA and retirement cashout forum topics, found using the Google Custom Search box on this site (see upper right corner of most web pages here).


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Take the money and run.....

For the very same reason Chris M. advised me to stop contributing to my 401K.....take the money now while its still worth something.  You'll get you pension money, it just won't buy anything you need.  Nobody on this site worth his salt would challenge this statement - with or without Chris M's recomendation.

Then, with the proceeds, you could start day trading and really clean up <sarc on>


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Roll on Over


While you'll have to make your own decision, I think that if I were in your position, I'd roll the pension money into a self-directed IRA. What Poet said about the probability of California going bankrupt is correct, probably not yet; but, that likelihood seems highly probable at some point in your life. Even if not highly probable, losing your pension obviously would have significant consequences, so I'd take steps to mitigate that risk.

Some other useful links on the site in addition to the great ones Poet already provided:

(This one includes my discussion of self-directed IRAs and 401Ks.)

(This one includes an entry by CM regarding retirement accounts.)

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Gentlemen, thank you for

Gentlemen, thank you for your input and resources. Much appreciated!

dshields's picture
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Calif Is Broke

Calif is broke.  They are going to get more broke because just like the rest of America they can not control spending.  Over time it will get worse and worse.  it is like a miniture America.  Public pension plans can be changed any time the politicians decide to.  It is just that simple.  It is conceivable there could be a Fed Gov bailout with printed money at some point.  It is all pretty scary.  I suppose it call comes down to do you trust your politicians.


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