I decided to get out of dodge (the USSA) about 5 years ago. I researched quite a few places in depth, and traveled several places to explore first hand. If I had to characterize myself, I guess I'd call myself a "high-tech hermit". As such, my tendency was to "do my own thing" and not depend upon or involve other people. However, I keep rediscovering one very unpleasant fact that keeps smacking me across my face, and telling me I need to partner and collaborate with one or two others. What is this inconvenient fact? Answer: after looking at tens of thousands of potential locations, it has become blatantly clear that it is possible to get 5x, 10x, 25x, even 100x more quality and quanity of real-estate per dollar when spending over [roughly] $800,000. Most individuals or couples buy real-estate that costs $150,000 to $450,000. And what they get is a fraction of an acre with a ho-hum dwelling, or a couple boring acres with no dwelling.
In contrast, what can we buy for 2 or 3 times as much --- assuming we spend endless hours researching our butt off? Here are four examples:
#1: 135 acres of some of the most geologically wild, crazy, spectacular oceanfront property with a large gorgeous private beach, caves, etc.
#2: semi-tropical ~50 acre island (~1.40km by ~0.40km) 15~20 degrees from equator with 4 private white-sand beaches & coral reefs.
#3: ~6800-foot altitude mountaintop in wild, crazy, gorgeous desert environment overlooking endless ocean only ~8000 feet away.
#4: gorgeous executive vacation quality home on 6 acres of absolute white-sand beachfront property on Hawaiian island.
Except for #4, these properties are in very carefully selected locations outside the USSA. Specifically, these location are carefully selected to be in places with a high chance of being "left alone and not bothered by government" when the SHTF in the next few years. I include #4 because it is a very special location and situation inside the USSA that will likely be "out of sight, out of mind" of the predators-that-be. However, my inclination is to stay outside the USSA. Still, just try to find 6 acres with about 300 feet of absolute beachfront on a huge, usually empty, gorgeous beach in Hawaii for less than tens of millions of dollars. Good luck. Still, let's ignore #4 while I finish my point.
The weather in all the above locations is absolutely glorious. None of these ever receive snow, but #1 can get fairly cold at night in winter.
Here is my problem. I've lived a frugal life, never taken a loan, never owned a home or real-estate, and managed to save up something over $250K. And there is the rub. I can easily find some small, totally boring property in any number of places for $250K. For somewhere around 3~5 times that, I could own any of these totally spectacular properties that are ~100x larger and/or more desirable, glorious and secure against what is coming to every western country very soon.
My problem has been this. It seems just about everyone suckered for the real-estate bubble, and lost whatever savings/wealth they might have accumulated over the years. But hey, I can't be the ONLY liberty-oriented human being who didn't lose his shirt... right?
So I'm looking for 1, 2, or 3 partner-collaborators to buy one of these properties. I've invested some insane number of hours finding these extraordinary opportunities. These are the four most amazing places I've found after ~6 years and endless hours of researching, searching, traveling and exploring. In two of these cases, we can likely recover all our money within two years in the following way. Let's take the island as the best example. It is located not too far from similar-size islands that host tiny "vacation resorts" that charge hundreds to thousands of dollars per night. Others offer small ocean-view [and a few ocean-front] lots for sale for a small fortune (hunderds of thousands for 0.25 to 1.00 acre). If we install infrastructure (solar/wind power, water collection/purification, plus underground pipes for power/water/internet), we could sell 15 to 20 absolute white-sand beachfront lots along the east side of this island for ~ $100K each (a bargain price in comparison to any alternatives). This would completely pay for the island, plus provide several hundred thousand dollars to build three small but luxurious "executive vacation" dwellings on the 3 isolated/separate white-sand beaches on the west side of the island. This would likely take 2~3 years to play out completely, at which point we own the entire island and resort dwellings, including 3 of the 4 white sand beaches on the most glorious side of the island. Note: The island has a ridge down its 1.40km length that reaches up to ~65 meters (250 feet) altitude. This makes the two sides completely private, separated and independent. Except for a small area on the north tip of the island where the water is deep (good for parking yachts/vessels), the entire island is surrounded by huge, gorgeous coral reefs. The island is about 50 acres, but the coral reefs that surround it cover more than 100 acres. The island is very isolated, but less than 80km from an island with an international airport. The air-temperature and water temperature are both warm and crystal clear all year long, and the waters are inhabited by endless amazing colorful tropical creatures.
Previously I tried to find 5~8 partner-collaborators so we could buy the property outright and add small but luxurious dwellings - all with cash and no loans. Having not found 5~8 people with roughly $250K to invest, I am not considering the following more conventional possibility: take my $250K+ and buy the island (20% down payment, finance the other 80%)... then find ONE partner-collaborator to invest $150K ~ $300K. That is sufficient to establish complete self-sufficiency infrastructure (solar-panels, wind-turbines, batteries for electric power, water collection and purification for water, microwave internet connection to an island less than 50km away, underground pipes to carry power/water/internet to all parts of our island, plus miscellaneous small improvements. Once done we could sell 15 to 20 lots on the east side to recover 100% of our investments, completely pay off the mortgage loan, and build 3 dwellings on our [western] side of the island (as well as the peak of the ridge at 65-meter altitude).
I'm just "putting this idea out there" to see whether anyone here is inclined to take advantage of this kind of opportunity, and my ga-zillion hours of research and exploration. I can't pull this off myself without taking too much risk --- I'm a factor of 2 short on resources. But we get 100x more per dollar by investing in a more expensive property like this one, and I just can't forget that, or waste my money on mundane boring crap (in comparison). Anyone willing, able and interested? If so, pipe up. As examples, I will provide a link to a web-page that shows a couple dozen photos of property #1, along with the original proposal that "went nowhere" because only one other person who contacted me had any savings! Personally I find it amazing how many people want to "get out of dodge", want to "get self-sufficient", and develop a more secure future for themselves... but simply cannot convince themselves to take any action! Plus, of course, the problem that virtually "everyone is broke" after the real-estate bubble-and-crash.
Forget the obsolete proposal text on the following web-page, but look at the pix. This is property #1 mentioned above: http://www.sovereignones.com. I'm not willing to show a link to the semi-tropical island here, because someone with $500K could do the whole project himself and cut me out. I didn't spend 27-zillion hours of research and exploration --- just to hand this opportunity over to someone else.
PS: I lived alone for 7 years at a remote 100% self-sufficient mountaintop facility (except for food production), so I have practical, real-world experience implementing the kind of self-sufficiency systems this project requires, and keeping them operational. I'm a scientist, engineer, product-developer, so I am a practical, down-to-earth individual who understands reasonably well what is practical and what is not.
Anyone ready, willing and able?
All of that is great. One question......
Have you watched Crash Course yet?
) What type(s) of natural disasters are typical to the area(s)? How far to the closest power generation station? How well are the properties "wired" to the outside world wrt internet and other communications? You say you've never purchased a TV, stereo or cell phone, yet you apparently own a computer. I frankly don't trust anyone without the ability to listen to Grateful Dead soundboards from '68-'71, the Europe '72 tour or what is arguably their finest concert, May 8th, 1977, Barton Hall, Cornell University. Killer Morning Dew, but I digress......
). Your OP had every marking of the typical drive by spammings that occur almost daily. This discussion would indicate that you probably aren't a spammer, and this venture of yours is real. You will find that most of those who have engaged thus far put more of a premium on developing a community support structure that is deeper than a handful of people - hermits to use your own words - living on some island somewhere. Everyone on CM.com who has been around for awhile has a different idea of how they want their community structured. None of the veteran or long-time members have ever thought anything about building resiliency was easy. 4 years ago I didn't know jack shit about gardening. Now, I don't buy a vegetable from May - November, and from November-April we eat what we've canned. 4 years ago, we didn't have a 25+ member "family" of like minded people, all within 40 minutes drive or a day hike, consisting of a dentist, a family practitioner MD, a thoracic and vascular surgeon, a Master apiarist, a Master gardener, a local landscape and gardening expert, three nuclear engineers, two Navy SEALs, a plumber and an electrical engineer. Remind me again, why I would want to turn my back on that?
I decided to get out of dodge (the USSA) about 5 years ago. I researched quite a few places in depth, and traveled several places to explore first hand. If I had to characterize myself, I guess I'd call myself a "high-tech hermit". As such, my tendency was to "do my own thing" and not depend upon or involve other people. However, I keep rediscovering one very unpleasant fact that keeps smacking me across my face, and telling me I need to partner and collaborate with one or two others. What is this inconvenient fact? Answer: after looking at tens of thousands of potential locations, it has become blatantly clear that it is possible to get 5x, 10x, 25x, even 100x more quality and quanity of real-estate per dollar when spending over [roughly] $800,000. Most individuals or couples buy real-estate that costs $150,000 to $450,000. And what they get is a fraction of an acre with a ho-hum dwelling, or a couple boring acres with no dwelling.
In contrast, what can we buy for 2 or 3 times as much --- assuming we spend endless hours researching our butt off? Here are four examples:
#1: 135 acres of some of the most geologically wild, crazy, spectacular oceanfront property with a large gorgeous private beach, caves, etc.
#2: semi-tropical ~50 acre island (~1.40km by ~0.40km) 15~20 degrees from equator with 4 private white-sand beaches & coral reefs.
#3: ~6800-foot altitude mountaintop in wild, crazy, gorgeous desert environment overlooking endless ocean only ~8000 feet away.
#4: gorgeous executive vacation quality home on 6 acres of absolute white-sand beachfront property on Hawaiian island.
Except for #4, these properties are in very carefully selected locations outside the USSA. Specifically, these location are carefully selected to be in places with a high chance of being "left alone and not bothered by government" when the SHTF in the next few years. I include #4 because it is a very special location and situation inside the USSA that will likely be "out of sight, out of mind" of the predators-that-be. However, my inclination is to stay outside the USSA. Still, just try to find 6 acres with about 300 feet of absolute beachfront on a huge, usually empty, gorgeous beach in Hawaii for less than tens of millions of dollars. Good luck. Still, let's ignore #4 while I finish my point.
The weather in all the above locations is absolutely glorious. None of these ever receive snow, but #1 can get fairly cold at night in winter.
Here is my problem. I've lived a frugal life, never taken a loan, never owned a home or real-estate, and managed to save up something over $250K. And there is the rub. I can easily find some small, totally boring property in any number of places for $250K. For somewhere around 3~5 times that, I could own any of these totally spectacular properties that are ~100x larger and/or more desirable, glorious and secure against what is coming to every western country very soon.
My problem has been this. It seems just about everyone suckered for the real-estate bubble, and lost whatever savings/wealth they might have accumulated over the years. But hey, I can't be the ONLY liberty-oriented human being who didn't lose his shirt... right?
So I'm looking for 1, 2, or 3 partner-collaborators to buy one of these properties. I've invested some insane number of hours finding these extraordinary opportunities. These are the four most amazing places I've found after ~6 years and endless hours of researching, searching, traveling and exploring. In two of these cases, we can likely recover all our money within two years in the following way. Let's take the island as the best example. It is located not too far from similar-size islands that host tiny "vacation resorts" that charge hundreds to thousands of dollars per night. Others offer small ocean-view [and a few ocean-front] lots for sale for a small fortune (hunderds of thousands for 0.25 to 1.00 acre). If we install infrastructure (solar/wind power, water collection/purification, plus underground pipes for power/water/internet), we could sell 15 to 20 absolute white-sand beachfront lots along the east side of this island for ~ $100K each (a bargain price in comparison to any alternatives). This would completely pay for the island, plus provide several hundred thousand dollars to build three small but luxurious "executive vacation" dwellings on the 3 isolated/separate white-sand beaches on the west side of the island. This would likely take 2~3 years to play out completely, at which point we own the entire island and resort dwellings, including 3 of the 4 white sand beaches on the most glorious side of the island. Note: The island has a ridge down its 1.40km length that reaches up to ~65 meters (250 feet) altitude. This makes the two sides completely private, separated and independent. Except for a small area on the north tip of the island where the water is deep (good for parking yachts/vessels), the entire island is surrounded by huge, gorgeous coral reefs. The island is about 50 acres, but the coral reefs that surround it cover more than 100 acres. The island is very isolated, but less than 80km from an island with an international airport. The air-temperature and water temperature are both warm and crystal clear all year long, and the waters are inhabited by endless amazing colorful tropical creatures.
Previously I tried to find 5~8 partner-collaborators so we could buy the property outright and add small but luxurious dwellings - all with cash and no loans. Having not found 5~8 people with roughly $250K to invest, I am not considering the following more conventional possibility: take my $250K+ and buy the island (20% down payment, finance the other 80%)... then find ONE partner-collaborator to invest $150K ~ $300K. That is sufficient to establish complete self-sufficiency infrastructure (solar-panels, wind-turbines, batteries for electric power, water collection and purification for water, microwave internet connection to an island less than 50km away, underground pipes to carry power/water/internet to all parts of our island, plus miscellaneous small improvements. Once done we could sell 15 to 20 lots on the east side to recover 100% of our investments, completely pay off the mortgage loan, and build 3 dwellings on our [western] side of the island (as well as the peak of the ridge at 65-meter altitude).
I'm just "putting this idea out there" to see whether anyone here is inclined to take advantage of this kind of opportunity, and my ga-zillion hours of research and exploration. I can't pull this off myself without taking too much risk --- I'm a factor of 2 short on resources. But we get 100x more per dollar by investing in a more expensive property like this one, and I just can't forget that, or waste my money on mundane boring crap (in comparison). Anyone willing, able and interested? If so, pipe up. As examples, I will provide a link to a web-page that shows a couple dozen photos of property #1, along with the original proposal that "went nowhere" because only one other person who contacted me had any savings! Personally I find it amazing how many people want to "get out of dodge", want to "get self-sufficient", and develop a more secure future for themselves... but simply cannot convince themselves to take any action! Plus, of course, the problem that virtually "everyone is broke" after the real-estate bubble-and-crash.
Forget the obsolete proposal text on the following web-page, but look at the pix. This is property #1 mentioned above: http://www.sovereignones.com. I'm not willing to show a link to the semi-tropical island here, because someone with $500K could do the whole project himself and cut me out. I didn't spend 27-zillion hours of research and exploration --- just to hand this opportunity over to someone else.
PS: I lived alone for 7 years at a remote 100% self-sufficient mountaintop facility (except for food production), so I have practical, real-world experience implementing the kind of self-sufficiency systems this project requires, and keeping them operational. I'm a scientist, engineer, product-developer, so I am a practical, down-to-earth individual who understands reasonably well what is practical and what is not.
Anyone ready, willing and able?