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Sarah Palin is trying to co-opt the Tea Party

The Daily Bell thinks she might succeed

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Sarah Palin & the Desperation of the Elites

Monday, February 08, 2010 - EXCERPT from the article:

Sarah Palin (above) has President Obama in her sights, telling FoxNews.com she "would be willing" to challenge him in the 2012 presidential race. The former Alaska governor, in an interview Saturday on the sidelines of the National Tea Party Convention in Nashville, said President Obama's "lack of experience" has held him back his first year in office and that she would put her credentials up against his any day. "I would be willing to if I believe that it's right for the country," Palin said

... Dominant Social Theme: A 21st century Joan of Arc?

Free-Market Analysis: Sarah Palin is really a last chance gasp, in our opinion, for the power elite to maintain the integrity of the two-party system in America. We predicted that Palin would run long ago - and that she would set up an alternative political structure in the process. And we received considerable flack, as we recall. But both things are actually happening. Over the weekend, Palin refused to rule out a run for president in 2012 against Barack Obama (who may be unelectable by then anyway) and using the Tea Party movement as a surrogate she's found her third party - though it may not function as a formal entity.

/more: http://www.thedailybell.com/index.asp

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What a disgusting and depressing idea !

Sarah Palin is the diva of the Soccer Moms: http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/2009/1110.html

... and represents most of what is wrong with America.

As an American, it embarrasses me to see that she is developing a political following, and gaining traction amongst the people in the third party movement.

The sooner she is in the dustbin, the sooner the US can get on with the real changes it needs to make. End the Awesome Waste of an excessively consumer-oriented economy !

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That bimbo is not even qualified to run a 7-eleven.  I can't stand how the neo-cons are building up this joke of a politician.  

The Tea Party movement was started by the Ron Paul libertarian movement not this Neo-Con nut job.  She is another G.W. Bush neo-con reading old G.W. note cards.  

More of the same, Bomb iran, WMD's  war propaganda

Well on a positive note, she will get DESTROYED in debates specially against Ron Paul.  

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"Sarah Palin Tells Tea Party U.S. Needs ‘Another Revolution’"

Yes. And maybe it should start by ditching her, and her outdated ideas

(as I have written before):

"We live here for our children," is a response that you are likely to hear from many US suburbanites if you ask why they live so far from the cities, and maybe with a long drive to their jobs too. Giving a lawn and space to young children, may seem like the right and caring thing to do, and it involves various sacrifices on the part of the parents, especially the ones who commute. A typical pattern might be where one or both partners drive long distances to work, dependent on a car and regular gasoline purchases for transport to the office. Where there is "a full time Mom," her life maybe be dedicated to chauffeuring her children to school, and various other activities. Hence, she calls herself a "soccer mom", and she may drive an SUV or some other vehicle large enough for herself and her children. This is not the sort of America that Warren Buffett is betting upon. In fact, as James Howard Kunstler has put it, "the American suburban living arrangement has no future," It seems that Buffett agrees. Cars and trucks will be the vehicles that lose out to railroads.

Ironically, those who live in the suburbans may have done a disservice to their children and their grandchildren. An America addicted to foreign oil, is an America with a bleak future. The US now imports almost 2/3rds of its oil requirement, with most of that used for transportation fuel. And that addiction is not going to go away as long as Americans live in the suburbs and commute by car."

/more: http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/2009/1110.html

Look what is happening already:

As poverty rises in the suburbs, the Chinese have passed the US in buying new cars:

Thanks to the idiotic waste of American suburbanites, the US is sinking into depression, as China grows.

Sarah Palin and her ilk, want to "drill, baby, drill!" to keep an old wasteful suburban dream alive.

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But she is entertaining (fast forward to 3:30): http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-8-2010/amerigasm

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OMG, too funny!  Pathetic, but funny...

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drbubb wrote:

Free-Market Analysis: Sarah Palin is really a last chance gasp, in our opinion, for the power elite to maintain the integrity of the two-party system in America. We predicted that Palin would run long ago - and that she would set up an alternative political structure in the process. And we received considerable flack, as we recall. But both things are actually happening. Over the weekend, Palin refused to rule out a run for president in 2012 against Barack Obama (who may be unelectable by then anyway) and using the Tea Party movement as a surrogate she's found her third party - though it may not function as a formal entity.

/more: http://www.thedailybell.com/index.asp

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What a disgusting and depressing idea !

Sarah Palin is the diva of the Soccer Moms: http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/2009/1110.html

... and represents most of what is wrong with America.

As an American, it embarrasses me to see that she is developing a political following, and gaining traction amongst the people in the third party movement.

The sooner she is in the dustbin, the sooner the US can get on with the real changes it needs to make. End the Awesome Waste of an excessively consumer-oriented economy !

It is rare to find an analysis on this site as badly flawed as the one above. The Tea Party that Palin is courting is defined by its opposition to the power elites that have created our present mess. Any politician who could ride this dark horse of a political movement to power would owe nothing to TPTB and would presumably be free to respond to the country's real needs. 

It remains to be seen what Palin might actually be capable of doing. She did some very positive things as governor of Alaska, but that state is so different from some in the lower 48 that it might not have provided some important lessons. I could forgive an Alaska governor for thinking that big oil reserves and the necessary pipeline infrastructure ought to be assets for America. That world is far removed from Jim Kunstler's apocalypse. I don't believe that there will be any electable presidential candidates who will begin to lead America away from oil dependence before we are in a crisis state.

I am not a Palin fan. She is young and seems to me to be poorly informed, but she is gritty and smart. Calling her a bimbo as some have done here, is out of place and indicates poorly controlled emotions rather than thought that deserves serious consideration.

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Wow. 
I agree with Stan.

Even if she isn't the greatest human being alive, the responses here show that the media machine is in full tilt boogie.
For example, read the Charlie Gibson Interview's transcripts and then watch the video.
Same with Diane Sawyer.

Anything she said that was smart got left on the cutting room floor.

Palin got absolutely eviscerated in the press. 
Is she a brilliant legal scholar educated at the finest of institutions?
Nope. But then again, look at the types that got us into this situation.

She's naive, but certainly not deserving of the sort of hostility shown here.
Quite frankly, I'm sort of amazed. People generally organize their rants a little more coherently.
Evidence to support your claims, for example, is always nice.

Cheers,

Aaron 

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I am disappointed in the comments about Sarah Palin. It is mean spirited and more demeaning to those that write and speak them than it is to her.

It also shows a complete lack of understanding of the dog and pony show that is American politics. There are still many out there who believe that Barry Soetero is just being ill advised by those he appointed and being stymied by those mean old Republican conservatives. Four months before the last election I called the winner. I take no credit. It was as easy for me to do it as it is for CM to write about debt. I wrote a piece on my blog when Palin was selected that she would be the next president that Barry would be a one termer. I have seen nothing to change that prediction. When it becomes fact I will post that article here. How did I know Barry would win. I simply looked at how much money he was raising and where it was coming from. Also in the primaries he and Hillary disappeared for two days coincidentally right when the Biderbergs were meeting. Next thing you know Hillary drops out......curiouser , and curiouser. The powers that be knew who was going to win and picked Sarah Palin as McCain's running mate to give her the national exposure she needs to be ready to run in 2012. You can put her down as much as you wish but she connects with the common people. She does not talk down to them. She is being groomed.

Fact: It is TOTALLY irrelevant who the president is. The president is the 2% of the iceberg that is the shadow government. He is the front man for the parties that make the decisions of what will happen. The only thing that changes is the style. All U.S elections are personality contests. All elections are decided on style points gained on TV. The first TV election  was 1960 I was 11 years old and I can still remember the night Nixon lost. He lost because he was sweating like a pig and Kennedy was cool and witty during their debate. That debate made it close enough for Richard Daley to dig up enough corpses, bring them to life, get  them to the polls and have them cast their vote for JFK. The era of TV elections was born in 1960. Marshall McLuhan precisely described how in The Medium is the Massage. He also demonstrated that the larger the group of people the lower the collective IQ. This is why it is so easy to control a population of over 300 million using the techniques of Edward Bernays. To learn how you and everyone has been manipulated watch A Century of Self. Just the fact that anyone can still take electoral politics seriously is proof enough. Eisenhower himself might as well have been waving a white flag on the night before he left office. He gave the Military Industrial Complex speech on the way out the door because he knew if he had tried to do anything about it he never would have walked out of office and retired to a life of golf at Augusta. He knew first hand who really runs this country. 

Fact: The American people would not know an issue if it ran them over in broad daylight. Henry Ford said it best when he said if the American people ever found out how the banking and monetary system worked there would be a revolution before morning. This was almost 100 years ago. Well most of the people on this site have a pretty good idea of how the game works and.............................. 

Fact: Foreign policy is not decided by the president or the Congress. It is decided by organizatIons such as the TriLateral Commission, the CFR, and AIPAC. The president is chosen by these groups. The president is given his orders by these groups.

Fact: Domestic policy is decided by the same groups and the Federal Reserve. Monetary policy determines everything. The inflationary policy of the Fed gives the Congress the money to pass out crumbs to the general populace and steak dinners to the corporations that elect them.

Fact: For all  intents and purposes the U.S ceased to exist in 1913. Three things occurred which put the final nails in the coffin. The passage of the 16th Amendment , the passage of the 17th Amendment and the passage of the Federal Reserve Act. The 20th century saw the ceding of the sovereignty of this country to an international group of financiers through a series of treaties and memberships in various organizations such as the U.N. IMF, World Bank, BIS, NAFTA, GATT, WTO, etc. The freedoms that were guaranteed in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were slowly eroded by bureaucracies such as the FDA, USDA, EPA, HUD, ETC. It was a classic case of the frog in the pot of water. 

The endgame is being engineered through a mountain of debt that will never be paid off. The game will be kept running till every last piece of low hanging fruit is gone. Yes, 401k's, IRA'S and every pension fund they can get their hands on. Once this is done a Neo Feudalist state is all that will remain. The debt serfs will be tied to the land and be under the control of the mortgagees. This will not be confined to this country. Through the wonders of globalization every human on the planet will be under the control of one police state or another.

So if you think you have eaten the Red Pill look around and see if you really have. If you have you would know that the election of a President is a foregone conclusion in which you exercise no control. It is a selection process given a veneer of credibility and no more. If you have you are not involved in the casino of Wall Street. if you have you  live up to your oath to protect and defend the Constitution. If you have you don't use credit cards. If you have you do not have money in a bank. There are other ways too numerous to list but I am sure you get the idea.

As Eldridge Cleaver once said " You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem"

Sarah Palin will be the next President of the U.S. You can take it to the bank .....er I mean credit union.

Good Night and Good Luck

V

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Stan & Aaron -

Very reasonable responses by you both to the OP, who may have been a bit more vitriolic than necessary.

The ability to speak eloquently, convincingly, and coherently is the first thing we probably notice about any potential political candidate.  But this ability does not necessarily have anything to do with a candidate's actual intelligence, grit, ethics, or experience. We probably give WAY too much credit to those who posses a gift for public speaking (see: Obama, B. and Clinton, W.) and are probably overly critical of those who don't (see Palin, S. and Bush, G.W.). Acknowledged.

That being said...

I stand by my previous post that Jon Stewart's segment about Palin critisizing Obama for using teleprompters, while she read her speaking points off of notes she scribbled on her hand, is, in fact, entertaining.

Respectfully,

G

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G-Money,

Agree 100%.

Slinging rocks in glass houses, all of them.
And it is hilarious.

Basically, Sarah Palin is to Rural folk what Barack Obama is to Urbanites.

Someone with whom they can identify, who seems to share their same values and who they feel best represents them.

This is a cultural war between who will be represented, and it's just as scripted as professional wrestling.

That said, my family actually moved from Palmer, and we still have some people up that way that went to Church with Mrs. Palin.
She's a down to earth, kind and decent type of woman who got in over her head, and was just torn apart by the cynicism and bigotry we see in large syndicated media when it comes to anyone who isn't "urbane" enough.

Personally, I like simple.
A leader who feels like they have all the answers can't very well be a representitive unless the citizenry follows their lead.
Which is not the way a representitive democracy should work.

When I write my reps on the district level, I get personal responses.
When I write my reps on the state level, I get canned responses.

So if anything, I appreciate the idea of a person coming from humble political beginnings, and it's my opinion that Sarah Palin trying to "hi-five" the Tea Party protesters will, if anything, bring the Fundementalist conservatives to the more middle ground, rather than drag the Tea Party too far to the right.

Of course, so mixing will occur, but this is a good thing if you get right down to it.
Legitimizing the ideals of the Tea Party without delegating them new leadership is going to strengthen the Tea Party.
Sarah Palin is for a smaller Government, so it's really irrelavant whether or not she's a "status quo" candidate - provided she sticks to her guns about downsizing the .gov.

If she does that, it becomes our responsibility to put our brains and backs into the efforts for sustainability and more sensible local planning. That's not the job of the federal government.

Anyway, just my .02.
Cheers,

Aaron

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That said, my family actually moved from Palmer, and we still have some people up that way that went to Church with Mrs. Palin. 

Hey, small world.... Palmer is where I'm living right now Cool

 

I've honestly found it rather puzzling the intense feelings and opinions people seem to have for Palin, both for those who strongly support her and those who strongly oppose her.  While she's been overall a decent governor I wouldn't say she rates as an extraordinary one, and she really hasn't made enough bad decisions or mistakes to warrant this level of hostility either.

The best I can figure is that for many people she is something like a blank canvas, a not yet publicly-defined person on which people can easily project their hopes or fears.  To many of the Dems and some of the urbanite population she is seen as an embodiment of all the things they dislike or fear (pro-life, pro-gun stance, cutting gov't programs, openly skeptical about global warming, openly religious, etc.).  And of course for these same reasons she is seen by many of the Republicans and some of the rural population as the embodiment of their hopes and philosophy.  All this despite the fact while in public office she really hasn't done enough to justify either of these hopes or fears to the degree they're being projected on her.  And IMO the mass media is magnifying this effect by relentlessly pursuing her to a degree and with a undertone of hostility that is usually reserved for unfaithful presidents caught in the act, drugged-out musicians and A-list Hollywood celebrities, and OJ Simpson.  And for those people who identify strongly with her, my guess is what they see as media hostility towards her they interpret as hostility towards themselves.  All just a new part of the culture war to keep us preoccupied.

I've never met her or talked with her (despite only living about 10 miles away), but my father and stepmother had the opportunity to talk with her for almost an hour about all sorts of things when she stopped by their shop some years ago.  My dad said she came off as intelligent in their discussion, and seeing as my dad is a very smart guy I'm willing to take that opinion into consideration.  So my initial take on her is pretty much the same as Aaron's, that she is a decent and probably intelligent person that got over her head in a situation where she didn't know the 'house rules', and got raked over the coals for it.  The national political scene is so divorced from the world most of us live in that just about any one of us would look badly at some point.  Trying to imagine how I'd do in the national political spotlight, I'm pretty sure I too could easily be portrayed in a bad light.... most likely as a acerbic non-churchgoing nutjob who wants to slash senior's Social Security checks, cripple our military by cutting defense spending, and says the phrase 'that stupid pigf***er' a little too often. 

Would I vote for her if she ran for another public office as Republican or Tea Party or independent?... I doubt it.  But that's because I have more requirements for a candidate than I see her fulfilling and I have probable differences of opinion regarding matters of US foreign policy, not because I hate her or think she's a stupid, awful person.  I'm not so sure she is really trying to co-opt the Tea Party; that may be a possibility in the future but it's too early to make that call on the basis of a guest speech at a national convention.  Personally I'm hoping we don't see any one person (even someone I like such as Ron Paul) as a universally recognized 'spokesman' for the Tea Party movement.  I want to keep it as grassroots as possible... try to play the game on our own home court and our own terms as much as possible, rather than trying to play in the existing political game where we don't have any advantage. 

 - Nickbert

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John Robb over at Global Guerillas has an interesting take on the Tea Party phenomenon. Although he doesn't mention Palin specifically, he's of the opinion that all efforts to form the Party into a cohesive whole will fail. Which suggests that, if Robb is correct, Palin will not have much luck in her efforts.

Here's the link:

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/02/the-tea-par...

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While I don't think Palin has enough experience yet to be a capable leader for the US, I think she has several times more valid experience than Obama.  Where does that leave him?

Neither has the perspective to lead us out of this morass, but she probably comes closer.

- Jim

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JRB wrote:

While I don't think Palin has enough experience yet to be a capable leader for the US, I think she has several times more valid experience than Obama.  Where does that leave him?

Neither has the perspective to lead us out of this morass, but she probably comes closer.

- Jim

While that might have been true a year ago, it's no longer true. Obama now has a year of on-the-job training under his belt. 

Having said that, I seriously doubt any individual could lead us out of this mess. It's much larger than individual governments and certainly larger than presidents, regardless of political affiliations. 

Arthur

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I love Sarah....and I'm not alone.

She strikes a nerve in sheeple who all bow to the "Our leaders must have an Ivy-league education or gobs of corporate money to rule the masses."  She also strikes a nerve in regular people who like to think for themselves and are not convinced that most of the losers in Washignton could care less for their faimlies or small businesses!

I'll never forget one of my good friends claiming that:

"Sarah is such an small town idiot, religious nut, married to red-neck with a house full of wild kids..." 

I thought WOW - She's me! 

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Good Night and Good Luck

Excellent summary V. Not much I can add. You didn't mention the new global currency and I still don't see how China fits into the new world order.

 

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My take is why are we talking about her? The reason is" She is a serious threat to the bank and powers that be.  That is why we hear all the vitriol from the main stream press.  If she wasn't a threat to the elites (lets face it she is not one of the elite), we would not be hearing about her.  I don't think the tea party will be a 3rd party.  I think we will support Democrats frriendly to our cause in Democratic districts, and Republicans friendly to our cause in Republican districts.  We should take a page from the big bank playbook and support both sides to achieve our ends.

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"But now many of the Tea Parties are distancing themselves from Dr. Paul and embracing establishment players such as Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck. Even Newt Gingrich is being courted. Watch out, Tea Party Nation: you're in danger of losing your soul! Newt Gingrich is not one of you. He is not your friend. He is an imposter. He will destroy you just like he almost single-handedly destroyed the Conservative Revolution of 1994."

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin569.htm

"After I appeared on MSNBC talking about Sarah Palin's appearance at the Nashville tea party convention, several libertarians told me they were unhappy with the exchange."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/will-palin-and-the-neocon_b_4...

This might interest some of you

"So Debra Medina spoke with Glenn Beck this morning on his radio talk show. Glenn saw fit to smear her with the claim that she is a 9/11 Truther. This is particularly interesting considering that the key issues of the race for the Governor’s Seat have been private property rights and state sovereignty. Having come from 4% in the polls all the way to 24% most recently from the PPP poll, Medina is now perceived as a threat to the establishment. What better way to distract voters from valid issues like burdensome taxes or oppressive government policies? Instead of conversing with Debra on a meaningful level, Beck decided it was more worthwhile to write her off as a conspiracy theorist. This is even more odd when you consider that only 16% of people in America now believe the official government explanation of the September 11th 2001 terror attacks!"

http://rgvrlc.org/?p=614

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My take is why are we talking about her? The reason is" She is a serious threat to the bank and powers that be.  That is why we hear all the vitriol from the main stream press.  If she wasn't a threat to the elites (lets face it she is not one of the elite), we would not be hearing about her.  

Wow.  Really?  A person who's a pundit on one of the big 4 networks isn't a bought and paid for element of the establishment?  

You could maybe make the case that she thinks she's a straight-shootin' maverick, but then again if we go to the previous posts re her intelligence and find them credible, then I'd posit that she knows exactly who she's working for.  And it's not Sammy Suburbs and his wife Shirley, or their kids Stevie, Shirley Jr., Seth and l'il Sinead (who's still young enough to be bald as a cue ball).

IMO the folks who'd be super-psyched to see SP run/win in 2012, would by 2013 have everything in common with 2010's Obama Nation inasmuch as they'd be deeply disappointed and disillusioned.

By 2013 the so-called Left would be talking up Oprah in 2016.  And the wheels keeps spinning (assuming they haven't simply fallen plumb off by then)...

Viva -- Sager

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There doesnt seem to be a consensus here about Sarah Palin.

Personally, I find it hard to take seriously anyone who would consider voting for her.

I live overseas, so perhaps I know her less-well than some who have commented here.  But I am fairly certain she does not represent views or political leadership that gives me hope or comfort. 

I had some hopes that the Tea party movement might gravitate towrds someone like Ron Paul, or his son, that I might have an easier time voting for.

My overall feeling is that the day when American politicians will be confronting the same reality as I see, is still far away

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"A true propagandist constructs their words in such a way that opposition cannot exist"  - Politics

Take that statement how you will.  The election of 2012 will help keep things the way they are, a revitalized "stockholm syndrome" for the masses.  

Enjoy till SHTF!

"Each generation wants new symbols, new people, new names. They want to divorce themselves from their predecessors"

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Hi Steve

 Thanks.

China is really no different from the U.S. The politicians and their friends and families are the ones not only running the country but they are the ones who own the companies that are profiting in the growth of the economy. A good example is Deng Xiao Peng's daughter who was an owner of the company that got the rare earth magnet technology from GM.

It is classic trickle down economics. There is a ruling elite there just as there is here and everywhere. It is given different names but in practice it works just the same. It is just as necessary to pass out a few crumbs to their proletariat as it is to ours. Huge flows of capital started to China in the 70's and gained momentum up to the present day. The shadow government is no less connected there than here. Instead of thinking in terms of nation states which long ago ceased to be relevant think in terms of corporate government and the picture becomes much clearer.

The former president of the U.S. and his family have set up camp in Paraguay and are buying all the water rights they can. They have hired a mercenary army of Chechens. It all sounds so patriotic to me.

The endgame is a global Neo Feudalist society. The one world currency is a tool of the elites. I thought the game was to have the Euro , the Amero,  and the Asero then combine them into one. It now appears that they are going for the one world currency directly. They will control the means of production, distribution, and medium of exchange. Checkmate.

But hey I am just some wacky Conspiracy Theorist what do I know. 

V

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President Barack Obama won't be re-elected in 2012 unless he can "toughen up" on national security, according to Sarah Palin. "Say he decided to declare war on Iran or decided really to come out and do whatever he could to support Israel, which I would like him to do," Palin told .

"I'm saying if he did, things would dramatically change if he decided to toughen up and do all that he can to secure our nation and our allies," she said.  - Sarah Palin on Fox News' with Chris Wallace

If these crazy neocons want to "secure our nation" they should wake up and recognize we are broke and close to bankruptcy.  But, that would take a candidate that actually understands economics and we only get to pick from 2 idiots every election.  Palin was suggested to the war monger McKain as a VP by Bill Kristol - head neocon at PNAC.

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The one consistent theme in the story of Sarah is how the right wing crazies have succeeded in turning the federal government into the impotent creature it is.  The idea is to attract the dumb and the dimmest and then scream like your hair's on fire that government can't be trusted to do anything right.  In that respect, Sarah Palin is the best choice for pres.  Maybe she'll pick that empty suit from Mass. for a cabinet position.  Not to worry.  Her folksy charm will save the day.  At least the boys in the back room will have someone to make the coffee.

And what is there of substance in the Tea Party movement that can be co-opted?  Are they anything but a bunch of narcissistic cry babies?  Anyone who'd invite Palin to hear words of wisdom obviously doesn't have the intelligence to tell meaningless blather from informed opinion.  Far be it from any of them to actually confront an issue with something resembling a cogent thought.  Unfortunatly, intelligence is out of fashion in some sectors.  It's been displaced by NASCAR, NFL, NHL, Walmart, McDonalds, Diet Coke, and mountains of cheese doodles.

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Yummmm,. cheese doodles....

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Re: Sarah Palin is trying to co-opt the Tea Party

KUNSTLER ranting...

Rehearsals for a Civil War :

The Tea Party appeals to the swelling numbers of the new former middle class angry at the sudden vanishing of their accustomed perqs and entitlements to a predictably comfortable suburban existence. They're mad at the government and hot for "liberty." But how do they propose to maintain the hyper-complexities of suburban life without taxes to pay

... /more: http://kunstler.com/blog/2010/02/rehearsals-for-a-civil-war.html#more

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It is interesting to read that JHK sees the Tea Party as being fueled by Rage from Suburbanites (the proximate culprits of the crisis)

No wonder some are ready to choose the dim-witted Palin as their leader - she is the very Diva of suburban malinvestment, with her famous support of bridges to nowhere - and maybe highways to an unsutainable future.

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Re: Sarah Palin is trying to co-opt the Tea Party
drbubb wrote:

KUNSTLER ranting...

Rehearsals for a Civil War :

The Tea Party appeals to the swelling numbers of the new former middle class angry at the sudden vanishing of their accustomed perqs and entitlements to a predictably comfortable suburban existence. They're mad at the government and hot for "liberty." But how do they propose to maintain the hyper-complexities of suburban life without taxes to pay

... /more: http://kunstler.com/blog/2010/02/rehearsals-for-a-civil-war.html#more

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It is interesting to read that JHK sees the Tea Party as being fueled by Rage from Suburbanites (the proximate culprits of the crisis)

No wonder some are ready to choose the dim-witted Palin as their leader - she is the very Diva of suburban malinvestment, with her famous support of bridges to nowhere - and maybe highways to an unsutainable future.

I actually lost a huge amount of respect for Kunstler when I read that and one of his other blog posts over the past month.  Someone with a lot of intelligence and potential who preaches a ground-breaking message of sustainable living, yet he wastes his time and energy in playing the conventional left vs. right political game.  But it was his demeaning generalization of those who make up the tea party as whining hypocrites who are only protesting out of selfishness that made me lose the most respect for him.  At this point I consider him little more than a self-righteous dip***t who just happened to make an important contribution some time ago.  Read his "We are Weimar" and "Rehearsals for a Civil War" blog post... these are his own words: "Tea Bagger", something-for-nothing, corn-pone Nazis that owe allegiance to nothing, racial enmity, religious paranoia, and potemkin patriotism.  Is that the kind of example we want to follow, someone who encourages hate and contempt for others?  Doesn't he realize that many, if not most, of the people he insultingly names "Tea Baggers" are the same people that would be most receptive to a message of a sustainable future?  Given his words, he seems more concerned with his own ego and his own personal prejudices than actually making the world a better place.  It is people like that who make me appreciate Chris Martenson and this site even more.

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I actually lost a huge amount of respect for Kunstler when I read that and one of his other blog posts over the past month.  Someone with a lot of intelligence and potential who preaches a ground-breaking message of sustainable living, yet he wastes his time and energy in playing the conventional left vs. right political game.  But it was his demeaning generalization of those who make up the tea party as whining hypocrites who are only protesting out of selfishness that made me lose the most respect for him.  At this point I consider him little more than a self-righteous dip***t who just happened to make an important contribution some time ago.  Read his "We are Weimar" and "Rehearsals for a Civil War" blog post... these are his own words: "Tea Bagger", something-for-nothing, corn-pone Nazis that owe allegiance to nothing, racial enmity, religious paranoia, and potemkin patriotism.  Is that the kind of example we want to follow, someone who encourages hate and contempt for others?  Doesn't he realize that many, if not most, of the people he insultingly names "Tea Baggers" are the same people that would be most receptive to a message of a sustainable future?  Given his words, he seems more concerned with his own ego and his own personal prejudices than actually making the world a better place.  It is people like that who make me appreciate Chris Martenson and this site even more.

- Nickbert

I agree with you.  When I read that post I could not believe the hateful tone of the message.  Although I personally avoid the Tea Party gatherings because I fear that many of the people there are quite ignorant of the real problems, I do appriciate that they are large mass of people that are out their protesting the status quo.  For me, refering to them as "Tea Baggers" is offensive in the same way calling a someone a derogatory name (wetback / spick / homo / faggot / ...) would be.

I am personally unfamilar with Kunstler's work and now I am not particularly interested in finding out more about it.

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I read Kunstler's rant and I think the Tea Party could benefit from an informed critique.  I have some of the same misconceptions as Kunstler, that, for example, they have a "keep the government away from my medicare" stance.  If the Tea Party is against more (or any?) taxes -- I'm assuming the Tea in Tea Party refers to the Boston Tea Party -- and is against cutting current entitlements like medicare, and is for the wars -- again I'm assuming -- and is rallying against the deficit then what are they for that will get us out of this mess?  Is the Tea Party no more than a group made famous by Fox News as part of its war against Obama and the health care bill?  If this is a false impression please let me know.

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"Read his "We are Weimar" and "Rehearsals for a Civil War" blog post... these are his own words: "Tea Bagger", something-for-nothing, corn-pone Nazis that owe allegiance to nothing, racial enmity, religious paranoia, and potemkin patriotism.  Is that the kind of example we want to follow, someone who encourages hate and contempt for others?  Doesn't he realize that many, if not most, of the people he insultingly names "Tea Baggers" are the same people that would be most receptive to a message of a sustainable future?  Given his words, he seems more concerned with his own ego and his own personal prejudices than actually making the world a better place.  It is people like that who make me appreciate Chris Martenson and this site even more."

Disappointing?  I agree.

I believe that there must be, and will be, more to the teaparty movement than that.  

In fact, that is why I started this thread.  My hope was that it was not getting hijacked by middle-brow (I'm being generous here) politicians like Sarah Palin, and had a real chance of being the breath-of-fresh-air that we really need in  American politics.  

At first, Obama seemed to represent genuine change, and many of us had high hopes for him.  When it became clear that his first years efforts were co-opted by the traditional Wall Street & and lobbyist power brokers, the disenchanted came together with the Ron Paul crowd, and started the tea party.  

One sort of fantasy that I have had was that Dr.Martenson might emerge as a leader for this new force. Indeed, when I saw that possibility, I started posting here, and floating some trial balloons about that on my own GEO website, to see if this was a fantasy that had a chance for traction.  I am still waiting to find out.

But I certainly hope that JHK is wrong, and he was merely exercising his talent for rubbishing people, and American habits, rather than sharing a genuine prophetic insight about where this new movement is headed.

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