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Obama Speech on ~10:30 PM EST: 5/1/11: What's Up???

Pres. Obama is making a "breaking news" surprise speech any time now......What's up!!!??

Newsreporters are rattled...

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"Osama Bin Laden was killed "

Per ZH at http://www.zerohedge.com/article/follow-presidents-announcement-nation-live-0  [as well as MSM on tv]:

"It is now confirmed that Osama Bin Laden was killed in an air strike last week, and the US has the body.

Lots of wild rumors about Obama's imminent late Sunday announcement to the nation, chief among which is that Bin Laden has been killed. The address can be followed live here."

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Apparently Osama has been

Apparently Osama has been killed by US forces and they have custody of his body.

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Would have loved to have

Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for that little mission. But the real question is - did we kill the ideology that was behind his name? For all the treasure we've spent, you would think so.

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The Price Of Victory

Alright! That bastard Osama Bin Laden is DEAD! No more Bin Laden!

Who knew - after 10 years, two wars, thousands dead, and trillions of dollars of crushing national debt  - that we really only needed about $10 billion worth of excellent intelligence, highly-trained Special Forces, maybe a Predator drone or two, and a few state-of-the-art long-ranged helicopters?

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 Osama bin Laden's

 

- (Aerial view) the $3 Trillion man lived in a pretty large, walled-off, million dollar compound in the middle of a Pakistani suburb. Such a mansion in plain sight was built and kept mum with the complicity of Pakistani authorities.

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Re: Osama bin Laden's
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- (Aerial view) the $3 Trillion man lived in a pretty large, walled-off, million dollar compound in the middle of a Pakistani suburb. Such a mansion in plain sight was built and kept mum with the complicity of Pakistani authorities.

Sounds like the perfect excuse to me to invade Pakistan as well... Looks like a good strategic enhancement to encircle Iran even further, who would have guessed?

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Poet wrote:

Alright! That bastard Osama Bin Laden is DEAD! No more Bin Laden!

Who knew - after 10 years, two wars, thousands dead, and trillions of dollars of crushing national debt  - that we really only needed about $10 billion worth of excellent intelligence, highly-trained Special Forces, maybe a Predator drone or two, and a few state-of-the-art long-ranged helicopters?

Poet

And oh, you forgot depleted uranium pollution:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

Samuel

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I guess you can call this a moral victory for some, but to me it's meaningless at this point and might only pour more fuel on the fire in the fundamentalist Islamic world.

Here's an (American) football analogy of the situation:

Osama Bin Laden takes the field as head coach for Al Queda and they immediately run up the the score big on the USA team in the first quarter.  The USA offense finally gets pumped up and tries to rally by pounding the Al Queda defense for the remainder of the game but can't put many points on the board.  Losing badly, the USA fires the coach (Bush) and installs a new one (Obama) in the fourth quarter.  Coach Obama draws up a strategy to have the USA players deliberately injure the Al Queda coach and end his brilliant but short career forever.  The USA team crashes their biggest bruisers into the AQ team sideline and turns star coach OBL into a quadraplegic, cataatonic vegetable who will never coach again.  The USA fans cheer with glee as they all ignore the final score.

Al Queda 67

USA          13

Game over, too late, the damage to the USA is already done to the tune of trillions of lost treasure trying to hunt down one guy who had already effectively cloned himself millions of times over...

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xraymike79 wrote:

- (Aerial view) the $3 Trillion man lived in a pretty large, walled-off, million dollar compound in the middle of a Pakistani suburb. Such a mansion in plain sight was built and kept mum with the complicity of Pakistani authorities.

Sounds like the perfect excuse to me to invade Pakistan as well... Looks like a good strategic enhancement to encircle Iran even further, who would have guessed?

Samuel

 

This Global War on Terror has more appendages than a daddy-long-legs. The MIC will be sure to milk it for everything  they can. And the depleted uranium - a below-the-radar nuke war - is certainly despicable.

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And oh, you forgot depleted uranium pollution:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

Samuel

Samuel, do you know how credible the source is of these pictures, of this information?  Are there confirming sources?  It is Incredibly horrible if true...I hope it is not.

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Guarida wrote:

And oh, you forgot depleted uranium pollution:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

Samuel

Samuel, do you know how credible the source is of these pictures, of this information?  Are there confirming sources?  It is Incredibly horrible if true...I hope it is not.

Did you wikipedia 'depleted uranium'?....plenty of sources at the bottom page. Sad but true. Uncle Sam has been spreading it all over the Middle East and world, for that matter.....a below-the-radar nuke war on the planet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

or

http://environment.kucinich.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11&Itemid=1

 

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Somehow this pic got

Somehow this pic got tweeted:

Bin Laden was hidden in Pakistan mansion near retired military ...

5-2-2011

Osama bin Laden was killed Sunday in an mansion in an affluent part of a city north of Islamabad, Pakistan's capital city. 

The man behind the Sept. 11 attacks, thought by some to be living in a cave, who had eluded capture for more than a decade, was killed after U.S. forces raided his compound, which was located in a part of Abbottabad that is home to many "retired military," an administration official told reporters Sunday.

Administration officials called it “an extraordinarily secured compound,” adding U.S. intelligence officials' first assessment is it likely was built specifically to hide bin Laden.

 

It was “custom-built to hide someone of significance,” an administration official said.

The U.S. operation that killed the al Qaeda leader was months in the making, with a terrorist detainee providing a clue that became the big break sought after by American intelligence officials.

Intelligence officials began working on new intelligence that eventually led them to bin Laden last fall after a detainee in U.S. custody provided the nickname of a courier who U.S. officials believed might lead them to the terrorist leader. 

U.S. intelligence officials were looking for individuals who might have “personal contact” with bin Laden, one official said.

One of the couriers “flagged” for close scrutiny “had our constant attention,” the administration official said. Terrorist detainees provided the man’s “nickname” and identified him “as one of the few al Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden.”

Then, frustration set in.

For “two years,” American intelligence personnel were unable to determine the courier’s real name or his location.

But eventually they located the man, and after “persistent efforts” were able to “pinpoint” his location, the official said.

“We were shocked by what we saw,” he told reporters.

Additional intelligence gave American intelligence officials “a high probability” that bin Laden was inside.

After five White House meetings with his war council in recent weeks, Obama on Friday greenlit the mission.

During the early morning teleconference, administration officials would not say whether a U.S. military unit or a CIA team conducted the raid.

The White House did not share the intelligence with any other nation, including Pakistan. Islamabad was not notified of the raid before it occurred.

Officials used terms and words like “a small team” and “U.S. operators” in describing the unit that conducted the mission.

Whatever kind of troops were involved entered the compound Sunday and exchanged gunfire with those inside -- including bin Laden, the senior official told reporters.

“He did resist the assault force and was killed in a firefight,” the administration official said.

The officials said bin Laden’s body is in U.S. custody, adding it will be treated in line with Muslim traditions and practices.


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Poet wrote:

Who knew - after 10 years, two wars, thousands dead, and trillions of dollars of crushing national debt  - that we really only needed about $10 billion worth of excellent intelligence, highly-trained Special Forces, maybe a Predator drone or two, and a few state-of-the-art long-ranged helicopters?

Does the fact that they say he was "buried at sea in accordance with Islamic practice" set off anyone else's BS meters?

Anyone with a smattering of knowledge knew from the very beginning that the way to take this guy out was small hunter/killer teams, not a full blown war.

And it took a decade to get him?

Sorry, this whole subject reeks of deception and lies.  

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DEPLETED URANIUM: A CASE STUDY OF GOOD AND EVIL
pinecarr wrote:
Guarida wrote:

And oh, you forgot depleted uranium pollution:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

Samuel

Samuel, do you know how credible the source is of these pictures, of this information?  Are there confirming sources?  It is Incredibly horrible if true...I hope it is not.

It's just a random site I fell on that had lots of pictures (and now that you mention it, the site in general appears to be quite a refuge of conspiracy theories), but you can find more like that and info regarding DU googling around for "depleted uranium". It's everywhere on the Intertubes! There's a lot of pretigious scholarly work about it and its effects too. It's a wonder that it isn't more well known...

Woo, here's an interesting article from the military itself:
DEPLETED URANIUM: A CASE STUDY OF GOOD AND EVIL

Samuel

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ao wrote: Poet wrote: Who
ao wrote:
Poet wrote:

Who knew - after 10 years, two wars, thousands dead, and trillions of dollars of crushing national debt  - that we really only needed about $10 billion worth of excellent intelligence, highly-trained Special Forces, maybe a Predator drone or two, and a few state-of-the-art long-ranged helicopters?

Does the fact that they say he was "buried at sea in accordance with Islamic practice" set off anyone else's BS meters?

Anyone with a smattering of knowledge knew from the very beginning that the way to take this guy out was small hunter/killer teams, not a full blown war.

And it took a decade to get him?

Sorry, this whole subject reeks of deception and lies.  

 

Certain things were allowed to happen as an excuse for war with Iraq (i.e. oil). Under the guise of the 'Global War on Terror', Osama and his cohorts are the perfect excuse for perpetual resource wars or to justify the MIC's bloated budget.

Why didn't they get him earlier? He was never the primary reason for us going there.

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Apparently according to the

Apparently according to the news they had been watching this fortified compound for 5yrs, thinking he might be there.  Thats not exactly a rapid surgical strike sitting on this place for 5 yrs.

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Timing...

Interesting that we are at the tenth year of what might be described as a "Hudna", false peace.

Also interesting that it happened on "May Day".

But the photo, was leaked over a week ago. at a site called Before it's News, which is also a haven for speculative info and conspiracies, mixed liberally with the mainstream and sedate news sources.

Regardless of what you think about the US, the US military or other coalition forces, you might want to use the Fukushima thing as a practice radiation event.

On the other hand, maybe the nuclear devices I spent part of my special operations career tracking down have all been rounded up now. No more missing Paki materiel and expert personnel, no more missing Indian nucelar physicists, no more former Soviet erector set luggage nukes floating around.

And if that is the case, watch for another Mumbai style attack. Multiple teams of assailants hitting random targets to divert response crews until the system overwhelmed, then the targeted strike.

Oh to be wrong again. Let's hope shall we?

Best Wishes,

Jager06

 

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The actual, real photos have

The actual, real photos have not yet been released. The one I posted is old, fabricated. Odd that they dumped him at sea though. I would have thought they'd hung on to his body longer for forensics.

He was apparently shot in the head which would blow out the ocular membrane as seen in the fabricated pic.

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Re: DEPLETED URANIUM: A CASE STUDY OF GOOD AND EVIL
guardia wrote:

It's just a random site I fell on that had lots of pictures (and now that you mention it, the site in general appears to be quite a refuge of conspiracy theories), but you can find more like that and info regarding DU googling around for "depleted uranium". It's everywhere on the Intertubes! There's a lot of pretigious scholarly work about it and its effects too. It's a wonder that it isn't more well known...

Woo, here's an interesting article from the military itself:
DEPLETED URANIUM: A CASE STUDY OF GOOD AND EVIL

Samuel

For a more scientific point of view, these guys have actually been to Iraq to check on the situation for themselves:

Cancer, Infant Mortality and Birth Sex-Ratio in Fallujah, Iraq 2005–2009

It does not look like deformed kids are running the streets, but it does not look good.. Maybe we can't blame it all on DU, but why isn't the military trying to find the culprit if it's not DU? Things that make you go hmmm alright...

Samuel

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Shot him, took DNA, removed

Shot him, took DNA, removed the body, and dumped it immediately at sea.  I wouldn't be surprised it he isn't really alive and a subject of Israeli "research".  Something isn't right about this story. 

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ao wrote:
Poet wrote:

Who knew - after 10 years, two wars, thousands dead, and trillions of dollars of crushing national debt  - that we really only needed about $10 billion worth of excellent intelligence, highly-trained Special Forces, maybe a Predator drone or two, and a few state-of-the-art long-ranged helicopters?

Does the fact that they say he was "buried at sea in accordance with Islamic practice" set off anyone else's BS meters?

Anyone with a smattering of knowledge knew from the very beginning that the way to take this guy out was small hunter/killer teams, not a full blown war.

And it took a decade to get him?

Sorry, this whole subject reeks of deception and lies.  

ao,

You're not the only one who has doubts. Buried at sea? Immediatley? And they just happened to have a DNA lab awaiting and completed a test that quickly? Anybody know how long it takes to perform DNA test?  I'm no conspiracy theorist, generally, but this just doesn't smell right.

 http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2011/05/sorry-but-i-dont-believe-this.html#more

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agree with ao & earthwise
earthwise wrote:
ao wrote:
Poet wrote:

Who knew - after 10 years, two wars, thousands dead, and trillions of dollars of crushing national debt  - that we really only needed about $10 billion worth of excellent intelligence, highly-trained Special Forces, maybe a Predator drone or two, and a few state-of-the-art long-ranged helicopters?

Does the fact that they say he was "buried at sea in accordance with Islamic practice" set off anyone else's BS meters?

Anyone with a smattering of knowledge knew from the very beginning that the way to take this guy out was small hunter/killer teams, not a full blown war.

And it took a decade to get him?

Sorry, this whole subject reeks of deception and lies.  

ao,

You're not the only one who has doubts. Buried at sea? Immediatley? And they just happened to have a DNA lab awaiting and completed a test that quickly? Anybody know how long it takes to perform DNA test?  I'm no conspiracy theorist, generally, but this just doesn't smell right.

 http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2011/05/sorry-but-i-dont-believe-this.html#more

Having lived in an islamic country for 9 years I never heard of burial at sea being an islamic practice ... besides, why would we be concerned with honoring the religious practices of an enemy we are so proud to have killed?

my wag-the-dog meter is on high alert right now.

~ s

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Saffron wrote: ... besides,
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... besides, why would we be concerned with honoring the religious practices of an enemy we are so proud to have killed?

my wag-the-dog meter is on high alert right now.

~ s

LOL.  

Maybe we'll soon be hearing about the new rules of engagement: respect all cultural niceties and religious observances while shooting someone in the head.

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Saffron wrote:earthwise
Saffron wrote:
earthwise wrote:
ao wrote:
Poet wrote:

Who knew - after 10 years, two wars, thousands dead, and trillions of dollars of crushing national debt  - that we really only needed about $10 billion worth of excellent intelligence, highly-trained Special Forces, maybe a Predator drone or two, and a few state-of-the-art long-ranged helicopters?

 

Does the fact that they say he was "buried at sea in accordance with Islamic practice" set off anyone else's BS meters?

Anyone with a smattering of knowledge knew from the very beginning that the way to take this guy out was small hunter/killer teams, not a full blown war.

And it took a decade to get him?

Sorry, this whole subject reeks of deception and lies.  

ao,

You're not the only one who has doubts. Buried at sea? Immediatley? And they just happened to have a DNA lab awaiting and completed a test that quickly? Anybody know how long it takes to perform DNA test?  I'm no conspiracy theorist, generally, but this just doesn't smell right.

 http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2011/05/sorry-but-i-dont-believe-this.html#more

Having lived in an islamic country for 9 years I never heard of burial at sea being an islamic practice ... besides, why would we be concerned with honoring the religious practices of an enemy we are so proud to have killed?

my wag-the-dog meter is on high alert right now.

~ s

YES!

I hate to be the voice of crazy here but when you capture the worlds most wanted person wouldn't you want to make sure as many people as possible saw the 'evidence' so you could definitively prove your objective had been accomplished?

They couldn't get rid of the 'evidence' fast enough. And buried at sea seems really convenient and clumsy. They spent months planning the raid and decided the best thing to do with his body was throw it into the ocean? This story has the stank on it.

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earthwise wrote: ao
earthwise wrote:
ao wrote:
Poet wrote:

Who knew - after 10 years, two wars, thousands dead, and trillions of dollars of crushing national debt  - that we really only needed about $10 billion worth of excellent intelligence, highly-trained Special Forces, maybe a Predator drone or two, and a few state-of-the-art long-ranged helicopters?

Does the fact that they say he was "buried at sea in accordance with Islamic practice" set off anyone else's BS meters?

Anyone with a smattering of knowledge knew from the very beginning that the way to take this guy out was small hunter/killer teams, not a full blown war.

And it took a decade to get him?

Sorry, this whole subject reeks of deception and lies.  

ao,

You're not the only one who has doubts. Buried at sea? Immediatley? And they just happened to have a DNA lab awaiting and completed a test that quickly? Anybody know how long it takes to perform DNA test?  I'm no conspiracy theorist, generally, but this just doesn't smell right.

 http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2011/05/sorry-but-i-dont-believe-this.html#more

Buried at sea...Mwahahahah! 

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Two paths...

Two things are going to result from this, IMHO.

1. Troops get withdrawn and the military budget gets axed. Massive drawdowns for a "Peace" dividend, economy and dollar stabilized, possible second term for Obama.

2. Massive retaliatory attacks on civilian targets insde most major western countries, conclusively proven to be state sponsored. Massive wartime footing ramp up. Industrialization for military goods and services. Economy stimulated, resource grab in conjunction with WW3, wartime president Obama re-elected for saving us all.

I do not think these are mutually exclusive paths. My BS meter has been going off since the first photos got shopped around the conspiracy sites around April 13th. The same one X-ray Mike pointed out above.

With margin hikes in silver coming fast and furious, the sudden death of the dollar on the event horizon, Japan crisis not effecting the global economy as much as it should be, EU zone on the brink, oil supply crunch becoming increasingly obvious, China and Japan divesting US Treasuries, wikileaks data promising nuclear retribution for death or capture of bin Laden the same time the first photos get spun out....

Something wicked this way comes. Chess not checkers, and my guess is we are being spun into a broader war after the newly angered mujahadin get busy Mumbai style in multiple western cities simultaneously, with a few pops from dirty nukes and maybe one good Soviet era theater tactical nuke boomer.

Whatever the outcome, it will speed things up even more, not settle them or return us all to a happy "normal".

Just thinking out loud here.

Best Wishes,

Jager06

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Death And Burial At Sea Is The Best Thing To Do

Actually, I think death and a quick, anonymous Islamic burial at sea is the best thing to do in this situation.

1. You don't want terrorists holding hostages or doing deeds to demand his release if he were kept alive anywhere (and the attendant drama, victims' families asking for him to be released so their loved one will hopefully also be released, etc.)

2. You don't want to provide any ideas of possible desecration of body, so you just hold a basic Islamic burial out of consideration for the rest of the Muslim world that we have to deal with (including Saudi Arabia and other sources of oil, Muslims in America and the rest of the Western world, etc.). Just get a few of our own Muslim chaplains in the military to handle it and it's done.

3. You don't want pictures of the dead body, nor of the funeral or burial, nor of anyone involved. Ever. You want nothing that can be impugned as desecration of a body, nothing that can be used as a potential martyr image or printed on posters for demonstration or rile-up purposes, nothing that can be used to find and target individual soldiers.

4. With an anonymous, hidden burial at sea in an unknown location (like the Marianas Trench), you don't provide a shrine or site to visit or mark as "holy ground".

As for burials as sea, though not preferred, there are precedents and it is accepted within Islam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burial_at_sea#Islam
http://www.al-islam.org/laws/burial.html

As to whether our government always knew where Osama Bin Laden was or waited until it was politically convenient (election time), or whether the event really happened, or whether he's really still alive, that's all up to you guys to debate. (Jager06 has share some good thoughts in the post right before mine.)

Personally, I suspect our government would rather keep him around for interrogation purposes while telling the entire world he is dead - unless his intelligence value was nil due to others having already taken up command and operations for the past several years.

Poet

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An easy way to clear up this

An easy way to clear up this matter is to have Trump ask obama for osama's death certificate.

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Nate wrote: An easy way to
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An easy way to clear up this matter is to have Trump ask obama for osama's death certificate.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Good one Centurion! Like it...like it.

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Good Point

POET

I'm not sure how I feel about the situation and have doubts myself. Howerver, I was glad to see your post as it is contarian to my own, pragmatic, and very logical. 

I am sure the story will evolve over the next days/weeks/months as will many of our opnions on it, but you've made a good point and given me something to think about.

Glad to see the community on this site continuing to explore both sides of every story fairly and equally.

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