Know the TRUTH about the Government Health Care Bill H.R.3200 - Key Points

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Know the TRUTH about the Government Health Care Bill H.R.3200 - Key Points

You might wonder how such a thing could possibly happen in the United States.  First, it is important to remeber that Medicare and Social Security future liabilities are now  over $100 trillion dollars.  And more troubling, every penny that we have paid into these plans, to build a "trust fund," has been loaned to the federal government.  The "trust" is non-existent, they are and have always been "pay as you go programs."
 
The solution is to drastically reduce our future benefits and beneficiaries by "rationing" health care.  And to add insult, we will have to pay into this new plan for 3-4 years before we receive any benefits.  Rest assured, there will be no money in that "trust fund" several years from now as the country continues falling into inevitable bankruptcy.  The plan is theft sure and simple but our politicians and their staffs won't be participating.  They will keep their current plan.
 
Ironically, the government has trillions of dollars to spend on illegal and immoral wars and to bail out the big banks while we pick up the tab.  Corporate losses are absorbed by the people while all benefits accrue to the very banks and companies that got us in this mess.  What we are witnessing is our country moving from freedom to fascism.  If this bill goes through, the U.S. government will "own" over 50% of business dollars in the country (added to AIG, GM, Chrysler, Fannie and Freddie).  By definition - this is fascism.
 
Why aren't you seeing this in the mainstream media?  Because almost our entire media, including music, books, TV, movies and radio are owned by seven mega international corporations and they are partners in the international move to fascism. 

Our enemies are not in the deserts of Iraq or the mountains of Afghanistan - they are in Washington D.C. and Wall Street.

Larry

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Holy crap!  Scary stuff.  Thanks Larry

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During this whole "quasi" debate few mentioned that plan is doomed to failure due to "supply"/demand isssues.  There simply aren't enough docs (or PA's and NP's ).  There's a huge shortage of primary care docs due to the lower pay than specialists.  Add in 20-30 million new people to the system and the aging baby boomers and look for 6+month waits.  They're slashing medicare reimbursements to docs and many more will stop taking it all together.  After this monstrosity is passed I'd like to ask all our patients calling in if they were for reform and tell them I can get them in In August.

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Who's going to treat all the patients when physicians refuse?  I recent survey of primary docs said 40% would consider retiring if HC passes.

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Who's going to treat all the patients when physicians refuse?  I recent survey of primary docs said 40% would consider retiring if HC passes.

They'll do like they did with the air traffic controllers.  Declare a national medical emergency.  Demand the docs do what they say or lose all reimbursement privileges (if you notice, Medicare is becoming the standard that the Blues and the others are beginning to emulate).  Then they'll start a massive short term training program for care extenders to fill the gap.  They get rid of a lot of the pesky high paid docs and lower the labor costs of their health care plan, quality of care be damned.  Problem solved ... for them, not us.

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The public option got written out of the bill today per NYT. Maybe that is good, but I think it really means that the uninsured will have to go to medicaid or subsidized private plans.

My observations: Docs are already retiring early when they can.  The bill gives RN's the option to run clinics, expands their powers so to speak, perhaps they will fill in the gaps (per my reading of the bill which may or may not be accurate).  The definition of healthcare provider in this bill is quite broad, even includes EMT and fire fighters.   Physicians who can escape this system (taking cash payments, bartering, etc... ) will likely opt out if they are "permitted".  Sadly, this will force employers to abruptly change healthcare plans so if you have a doctor in a particular network you and the doctor may be forced to part ways through no fault of your own with little notice, but people are getting used to that happening now...

I do not understand what the objective is with pushing this through now.

 

 

 

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I just looked at the bill to reference the video.  While not everything mentioned in the video is explicitly in the bill, 90% was!  I am completely shocked.  A 2.6% tax on gross income if the gov deems you don't have enough insurance.   I have to believe there will be a massive revolt after it gets out what has been done behind closed doors.  There is still the 2010 elections and the issues of consitutionality, but both my wife and I are in healthcare and will see massive tax increases along with decreased wages.  Amazing

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Good idea to know the truth about things including healthcare, however this video is based on outright lies. I am offended to even see such nonsense posted on this site. It is one thing to disagree with something, but quite another to knowingly disseminate false information.

Page 29 - 4-16 -- according to the video health insurance is rationed/limited to $5,000 per individual etc........... it says no such thing - what is stated is that the individual will be limited to having to pay no more than $5,000- in an year

There is an inference that illegal aliens would somehow be covered or receive benefit  SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE -- it does not say anything about illegals - the administration has repeatedly stated that benefits will not accrue to Illegal aliens.........  the bill also goes on to state:

 SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED 4 ALIENS. 5 Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments 6 for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are 7 not lawfully present in the United States.

 

This video is a series of blatant lies -- I couldn't stand to sift through any more of it and quit. Just be warned that little of what it says is honest/correct.

Jim

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One of the most disturbing things about this bill is the confusion over the legal language that is being discussed behind closed doors.  In addition to the H.R 3200 (video reference) we have H.R. 3590 and H.R. 3962.  So, who decides what language is in the final bill?  Don't we have a right to know?  What else are they hiding? 

Democrats plan to fast-track final health care bill  

WASHINGTON - To try to speed final passage and get the bill to President Obama’s desk, House and Senate Democrats intend to bypass traditional procedures when they negotiate a final compromise on health care legislation, officials said yesterday, a move that will exclude Republican lawmakers who have vowed to block the bill.

Instead, Democratic aides said the final compromise talks would essentially be a three-way negotiation involving top Democrats in the House and Senate and the White House, a structure that gives unusual latitude to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California.

Another thing that needs to be discussed is the expanding role if the I.R.S. under this plan.  Do we really want the I.R.S. involved in our health care coverage?  The I.R.S. is another black hole just like the health care bill.  You are guilty until proven innocent under the I.R.S.  According to I.R.S. document 6209 they are not an agency of the government but rather, a corporation with government ownership.  Does government own all the stock?

Health bills could expand IRS role

Internal Revenue Service agents already try to catch tax cheats and moonshiners. Under the proposed health care legislation, they would get another assignment: checking to see whether Americans have health insurance. The legislation would require most Americans to have health insurance and to prove it on their federal tax returns. Those who don't would pay a penalty to the IRS

In addition, the IRS would collect hundreds of billions of dollars in new fees on employers, drug companies and device makers, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

Hopefully this health care bill will be the line in the sand - government should be warned not to cross it without full disclosure and open hearings.  This will only happen if people demand it loud and clear.

Larry

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jpitre wrote:

I am offended to even see such nonsense posted on this site. It is one thing to disagree with something, but quite another to knowingly disseminate false information.

Jim, I am offended that there is NO complete and accurate information on such a sweeping bill by my government and the corporate media.  Why do we have to rely on youtube videos and internet blogs to try and find the truth?  

You may disagree but it is quite wrong for you to make assumptions about the intent of my post.  If anyone is lying or intentionally disseminating false information, it is the government.  

Larry

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Larry

I did/do not intend to impune your intentions regarding this healthcare post or any other that you have posted. I admit my post was motivated by frustration and anger at anyone ( the purveyors of the video mainly). I apologize for any real or perceived personal attack as I don't believe that you intend to mislead anyone on this site and I accept that your comments and quotes as a valuable member of this community are intended to probe for honesty and the truth.

I share with you the the frustration associated with trying to understand  the reality of complex issues that our government has on its plate. Political systems are inherently messy business - it amazes me that any of them work at all

As far as having to search the internet and risk of relying on false or misleading information, I share your aggravation. It seems that our news systems have been co-opted by the moneylenders and Wall Street, so we are left to find out the best way we can which means a lot more work on our part

Jim

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Hello Jim,

Thanks for the post, no problems.  It is indeed frustrating that we do not yet have any concrete information as to what may be in the final bill.  Even Nancy Pelosi appears to be frustrated by the process:

Nancy  takes swipe at President Obama's campaign promises

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, piqued with White House pressure to accept the Senate health reform bill, threw a rare rhetorical elbow Tuesday at President Barack Obama, questioning his commitment to his 2008 campaign promises.  A leadership aide said it was no accident.

Pelosi emerged from a meeting with her leadership team and committee chairs in the Capitol to face an aggressive throng of reporters who immediately hit her with C-SPAN’s request that she permit closed-door final talks on the bill to be televised.  A reporter reminded the San Francisco Democrat that in 2008, then-candidate Obama opined that all such negotiations be open to C-SPAN cameras. “There are a number of things he was for on the campaign trail,” quipped Pelosi, who has no intention of making the deliberations public.

I'm starting to think that the Whitehouse is attempting to ram this bill through while staying in the background and letting others take the heat.  Here is a video showing Obama clearly lying over and over again about health care public debates.  The office of the president is becoming tyrannical and this should stop.  As far as Obama, I think he is quickly destroying his own credibility and integrity.  I hope there is an angry backlash and calls for impeachment.

Larry

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Is it just me that finds the thought that the cesspool of self-interest called Congress, might be called upon to impeach the presidency for eliminating congress from the process because of executive self-interest totally absurd.

Sorry but that's like the septic system complaining about someone's fecal matter.

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