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Just signed, Executive Order 13528, another freedom lost?

Two articles both looking at this new Executive Order in conjunction with past EO's.

In the wake of the Flight 253 provocation, over-hyped terrorism panics, and last year's Big Pharma and media-engineered hysteria over the H1N1 flu pandemic, President Barack Obama signed Executive Order 13528 on January 11.

Among other things, the Executive Order (EO) established a Council of Governors, an "advisory panel" chosen by the President that will rubber-stamp long-sought-after Pentagon contingency plans to seize control of state National Guard forces in the event of a "national emergency."

According to the White House press release, the ten member, bipartisan Council was created "to strengthen further the partnership between the Federal Government and State Governments to protect our Nation against all types of hazards."

"When appointed" the announcement continues, "the Council will be reviewing such matters as involving the National Guard of the various States; homeland defense; civil support; synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States; and other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities."

Clearly designed to weaken the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which bars the use of the military for civilian law enforcement, EO 13528 is the latest in a series of maneuvers by previous administrations to wrest control of armed forces historically under the democratic control of elected state officials, and a modicum of public accountability.

One consequence of moves to "synchronize and integrate" state National Guard units with those of the Armed Forces would be to place them under the effective control of United States Northern Command (USNORTHCOM), created in 2002 by Bushist legislators in both capitalist parties under the pretext of imperialism's endless "War on Terror." At the time, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld called USNORTHCOM's launch "the most sweeping set of changes since the unified command system was set up in 1946."

The real-world consequences of those changes weren't long in coming.

Following their criminal inaction during 2005's Hurricane Katrina catastrophe, the Bush regime sought, but failed, to seize control of depleted Gulf Coast National Guard units, the bulk of which had been sent to Iraq along with equipment that might have aided the recovery. Bush demanded that then Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco sign over control of the Guard as well as state and local police units as the blood price for federal assistance.

At the height of the crisis, Bush cited presidential prerogatives for doing so under the Insurrection Act, a repressive statute which authorizes the President to federalize National Guard units when state governments fail to "suppress rebellion." How the plight of citizens engulfed by Katrina's flood waters could be twisted into an act of "rebellion" was achieved when Orwellian spin doctors, aided and abetted by a compliant media, invented a new criminal category to cover traumatized New Orleans residents: "Drowning while Black."

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17006

and.........

One must read this one closely but when it dawns on you that the 10 Governors to be appointed by the President will perhaps soon correspond to the 10 FEMA REGIONS and effectively will be under the Secretary of Defense and hence the President in a system of Regional Military Governors over all States, not just the States they might be from, you might just experience a chill up your spine. Note that then all States in essence have been taken over at least on paper by the President and will be administered Militarily. Read carefully Section -2 Functions, of this Executive Order and you will clearly see how inclusive these functions can be……. especially Item e which has language sufficiently broad and loose that a Tank Battalion could be driven through it.

Americans had better understand that this Executive Order along with all of those previously signed ,and with Presidential Decision Directive 51 and others will be used to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights and to render each American effectively into nothing more than a member of a work gang subject to control of the Regional Military Governor who is under the Secdef who is under the President. Posse Comitatus then is dead, Habeas Corpus is dead, Bill of Rights is dead, and only the whims and subjective decisions of the Regional Military Governor, as directed by the President via the Secretary of Defense and executed by Northcom troopers who now include U.S. , Canadian, Mexican, and other Foreign troops as well as Mercenaries and the States’ National Guards, Militias, and Police agencies will be the Iron Fist Rule of the Land.

Is this what the Founding Fathers would be proud of or would they say we have come full circle and that now We the People should invoke the Declaration of Independence once again and be ready on Lexington Green and prepositioned at Concord Bridge ? I think I know what Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Sam Adams, and old “Swamp Fox” would say.

Here is the official White House document. Click on this link for the PDF of the Executive Order. Read it and weep for America.

http://www.eutimes.net/2010/01/alert-obama-signs-martial-law-executive-order/

 

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  United States Northern Command = NAU (North American Union)

Americans had better understand that this Executive Order along with all of those previously signed ,and with Presidential Decision Directive 51 and others will be used to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights and to render each American effectively into nothing more than a member of a work gang subject to control of the Regional Military Governor who is under the Secdef who is under the President. Posse Comitatus then is dead, Habeas Corpus is dead, Bill of Rights is dead, and only the whims and subjective decisions of the Regional Military Governor, as directed by the President via the Secretary of Defense and executed by Northcom troopers who now include U.S. , Canadian, Mexican, and other Foreign troops as well as Mercenaries and the States’ National Guards, Militias, and Police agencies will be the Iron Fist Rule of the Land.

The alignment of the "governors" with the FEMA regions is very telling. 

This is a one-two punch along with Presidential Decision Directive 51 to hand Obama dictator status in times of declared, and not necessarily genuine, national emergency.  Obama doesn't need congressional approval in order to declare martial law, in fact, he doesn't even need to discuss the reasons why as it may be a secret.

“I just can’t believe they’re going to deny a member of Congress the right of reviewing how they plan to conduct the government of the United States after a significant terrorist attack,” DeFazio told the Oregonian.

“We’re talking about the continuity of the government of the United States of America,” DeFazio says. “I would think that would be relevant to any member of Congress, let alone a member of the Homeland Security Committee.  Maybe the people who think there’s a conspiracy out there are right,” DeFazio concluded.

This is indeed part of an ongoing conspiracy to destroy the sovereign Republic of the United States.  The conquest is moving into the military phase and there is no turning around at this point. 

"My flock has become a prey...because there was no shepherd, nor did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves..."  - Ezekiel 34:8

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Aren't we still under the swine flu national emergency?

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Since 1939 or so the US has been under a constant state of Emergency order, but that's another matter.

Mind you there's some BS being Spouted on this thread, you know, there are times when a cigar is just a cigar, and while the MSM might have an agenda, there are other news sites that might also be promoting their agenda too. I'm just getting heartily tired of the "Chicken Little syndrome".

Here's the order it does nothing that couldn't be done before, but it creates a more bipartisan "democratic" mechanism for use of Military force inside the borders of the US previously this could be done with agreement of just the VP. Oh and BTW the National Guard CIC is the POTUS, not repealed, the Govenor can call out the National guard in their state, but the President is the Commander in Chief of the National Guard just like the rest of the Armed forces. Posse Comitatus does not apply to application of Military force within the US borders, unless for Law Enforcement. So the 101st Airborne could be commanded to march into any state Capitol and suspend that state congress and IT WOULD NOT BE COVERED BY THE POSSE COMITATUS ACT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTION. Wow, bet that's got you all running for your conspiracy off to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act to check the facts.

There's literally nothing to see here, it even states in the final section (and any other person is you and me folks)...

"This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person."

Of course an EO isn't LAW anyway, it's generally guidance and Executive Orders have previously been found to be illegal.

But of course trying to convince those that are paranoid about Federal Government that this is not something that you should worry about is about as much use as discussing Quantum Physics with a goat.

Executive Order 13528 of January 11, 2010

Establishment of the Council of Governors

 

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1822 of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2008 (Public Law 110-181), and in order to strengthen further the partnership between the Federal Government and State governments to protect our Nation and its people and property, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1.  Council of Governors.

(a) There is established a Council of Governors (Council). The Council shall consist of 10 State Governors appointed by the President (Members), of whom no more than five shall be of the same political party. The term of service for each Member appointed to serve on the Council shall be 2 years, but a Member may be reappointed for additional terms.
(b) The President shall designate two Members, who shall not be members of the same political party, to serve as Co-Chairs of the Council.

Sec. 2.  Functions.

The Council shall meet at the call of the Secretary of Defense or the Co-Chairs of the Council to exchange views, information, or advice with the Secretary of Defense; the Secretary of Homeland Security; the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism; the Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Engagement; the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and Americas' Security Affairs; the Commander, United States Northern Command; the Chief, National Guard Bureau; the Commandant of the Coast Guard; and other appropriate officials of the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Defense, and appropriate officials of other executive departments or agencies as may be designated by the Secretary of Defense or the Secretary of Homeland Security. Such views, information, or advice shall concern:
(a) matters involving the National Guard of the various States;
(b) homeland defense;
(c) civil support;
(d) synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States; and
(e) other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities.

Sec. 3.  Administration.

(a) The Secretary of Defense shall designate an Executive Director to coordinate the work of the Council.
(b) Members shall serve without compensation for their work on the Council. However, Members shall be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, as authorized by law.
(c) Upon the joint request of the Co-Chairs of the Council, the Secretary of Defense shall, to the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations, provide the Council with administrative support, assignment or detail of personnel, and information as may be necessary for the performance of the Council's functions.
(d) The Council may establish subcommittees of the Council. These subcommittees shall consist exclusively of Members of the Council and any designated employees of a Member with authority to act on the Member's behalf, as appropriate to aid the Council in carrying out its functions under this order.
(e) The Council may establish a charter that is consistent with the terms of this order to refine further its purpose, scope, and objectives and to allocate duties, as appropriate, among members.

Sec. 4.  Definitions.

As used in this order:
(a) the term ‘‘State’’ has the meaning provided in paragraph (15) of section 2 of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 101 (15)); and
(b) the term ‘‘Governor’’ has the meaning provided in paragraph (5) of section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122 (5)).

Sec. 5.  General Provisions.

(a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to a department, agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c)

This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

 

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Gungnir wrote:

Here's the order it does nothing that couldn't be done before, but it creates a more bipartisan "democratic" mechanism for use of Military force inside the borders of the US previously this could be done with agreement of just the VP.

Wow, that was sure nice of Obama to use an executive order to make the use of military force within our borders more democratic.  Guess we can all go back to sleep again, except for those zany conspiracy folks. 

Hopefully you can understand how some of us may have may overreacted to the blurring of lines between the state and federal governments.  We were incorrectly taught that in our Constitutional Republic, our founding fathers instituted the principle of government known as the Rule of Law as opposed to the Rule of Men.  They wanted safeguards in place against arbitrary governance, and the unconstitutional edicts imposed by would be tyrants, which were not in accordance with written, publicly disclosed laws and enforced within legally established guidelines and procedures made by congress.

Some of those "non-trusting" conspiracy people were still upset with the "media's relative lack of scrutiny over Obama's recent (couple weeks ago) transformation of Executive Order 12425 from a document that constitutionally limits the International Criminal Police Organization's (Interpol) activities domestically to one that establishes it as an autonomous police agency within the U.S.  This presidential directive could undermine civil liberties and render the Fourth Amendment null and void." 

Heck, we're getting overly sensitive to Obama skirting the law at every turn and I'm sure his pathological lying is the result of his attempts to quit smoking.  And rest assured the green shoots are coming, the economy is improving, your social security is safe and the wars are almost won.  

Larry 

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Larry, I know you're not stupid, however take a pill for a moment .

There is no reason whatsoever that the CIC cannot order military force within the United States. Posse Comitatus does not apply. It only restricts the use of Military from Law Enforcement duties. Under the Insurrection Act the President can order the US military to do whatever he wants it to within the US borders. He always could since 1807 for 14 days before he needs to report to Congress. So how does this Executive Order change that? What freedom have we lost through this EO that we've actually had in our lifetime, if you can't enumerate that specific freedom, then chances are we lost nothing, and don't look at stuff from FEMA, or the Patriot Act, I'm talking about THIS SPECIFIC EO its in the thread. Give me a line any line that says that the Federal Government can do something it previously couldn't.

Now as to whether we have or have not lost constitutional rights overall is another question, however before you question my support for the US constitution, what have you done to support the constitution of the United States, which laws have you overturned that are unconstitutional. I've been involved in one at State level that was successfully overturned WA State Alien Firearms License. Have you taken an oath to protect and uphold the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic ever been in the Military how much have you donated to action groups or lobbied your senator(s) on constitutional rights and violations? Or do you support the ideals while actually doing nothing to ensure it's maintained?

No I'm not a CT in any way because to be frank we're stupid enough to screw ourselves up without the help of an Uber-Organization, and in years past it would have been the devil or the gods who were responsible, it's just a sociological phenomenon.

Personally I think it's typical scaremongering. OMG the Pres signed an EO that does erm nothing really, but it's bound to be really bad.

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Hey Larry be careful about exposing Obama's untruths and whatever you do don't bring up his promises to get rid of lobbyists, allow the American people to view bills before voting and his many promises to televise the healthcare debate on C-Span.

All these are on video but if you post any one of them here this thread is likely to be sent to the dundgeon like this one was...

http://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/obamas-promises/31559

Maybe point out that the previous administration of Bush, Cheney and co had just as much trouble levelling with the public as the current administration.

So as long as you are 'bi-partisan' and clearly accuse both sides of being compulsive liars upfront then that can't be seen being partisan. Wink

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"... Heck, we're getting overly sensitive to Obama skirting the law at every turn and I'm sure his pathological lying is the result of his attempts to quit smoking.  And rest assured the green shoots are coming, the economy is improving, your social security is safe and the wars are almost won.  

Larry 

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Larry,

In addition to what Gungnir is saying, there are statutes and limitations in the UCMJ guidelining what is and isn't a lawful order.
"Using" National Guard troops against the citizenry is really subjective - are we talking about quarantining?
Rounding them up and jailing them?  

I generally agree that I don't like ambiguity in legislation, laws that over-ride the states authority to govern itself, or could be construed as a amalgamation of governmental branches - but I think that the safety net here is unseen, and that is that the National Guard Commanders are members of their communities with ties to their communities and understand the responsibility they have to their communities.

Personally, I don't think we'll see them "en masse" turn against the citizenry and just swallow the Federalist pill.

But I have been wrong before.

Aaron

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Its all moot.

If the obvious, documented and uncontestable corruption that the US government has wrought over the last decade hasn't proven to you that they have no regard for the people of this country then nothing will.

The government will do what it wants, laws or no laws.

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Aaron, Gungnir.

Coming from a man that has shattered every campaign promise that he has spoken of in the past, it would be wise to err on the side of disbelief in his motives rather than assume the best case scenario.

Secrecy and lies righfully, and justfully breed skepticism. Healthy skepticism at that.

You will not convince me that this is innoculous given the record of opacity and ulterior motive shown by this, and the previous administration. Particularly when said opacity, when light is literally driven into it, and the short-term documented historical record show, without doubt, that the proclaimed justification for said actions is always found to NOT be the case. In fact, time and again, nefarious motives, obnoxious to the senses of patriots, are found to be the true motivator behind such candy-coated window dressings.

They realize that certain actions are profoundly offensive to the public sensibility. That's why they are always dressed up in altruistic language. It's a time-honored method that's been used by kings and tyrants for millennia. Why? Because it works EVERYTIME it's used.

Fool me once, shame on me.

Fool me twice, shame on you.

These words ring true more than ever.

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Morpheus, 

It's not that I disagree, I just echo Johnny Oxygen's opinion.
By the time this stuff becomes a problem, it's all ready too late, and chances are there isn't much that can be done.

At this point, I feel like I'm watching a terminal patient just wither away regardless of how many "lifelines" we plug in.
All the beeping, humming machines might look comforting, but I still see a corpse propped artificially by refusal to acknowledge the truth.

Cheers,

Aaron 

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Ok before I respond to either of the points raised, neither are especially relevant to the EO that started this thread. That's ok, I'll bite.

Johnny Oxygen wrote:

The government will do what it wants, laws or no laws.

The statement should read... The government will do what it wants, laws or no laws, BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT. Think about that for one moment who holds the power in the United States, it's not the President, or Congress it's we the people. The Government overall is not representative of we the people. Congressman, Senators and even the President blatantly do not hold their oath of office. Sitting writing its all the governments fault is just a whining meme, and it's exactly that behavior that has allowed the government to erode and circumvent the constitution. Hypothetical situation, lets assume that all the WW2 vets came back to the US today, how long do you think the government would be in power? Has the blood of American patriots thinned so badly in 50 years? Deciding you've failed before you start so not doing anything is accepting that the government has power over you. The government is a dog that needs to be brought to heel, we haven't brought it to heel for quite a while, but crying about it running around terrorizing the neighborhood isn't helping, because someone is going to shoot it.

Pete, the problem I have with your thought process is this. If the president wanted to do something secretive then the best way NOT to do it is to sign an executive order about it. It's recorded and while there is some weasel words there's not a whole bunch of lattitude in the EO. Why not do it and not have an EO if you want to further extend it or turn it to something grossly unconstitutional the best way would be to give it to the DHS. Yes as I said above there are gross injustices and unconstitutional practices, this isn't one of them. If I had to pick two battles that would help return the US to more constitutional rule I would hit the Patriot Act and the Federal Reserve Act. A lot of the infrastructure of a lot of unconstitutional legislation is derived from those two underpinnings so they'd bring a lot of other legislation with them. Being a Skeptic I realize one thing, it's not believing or disbelieving something because of it's source, it's treating all pieces of data the same and verifying the statements and intents. Ignoring a data source entirely, or disbelieving that data source is not skepticism at all, it's just inverted acceptance. I'm not trying to convince anyone that the US government does not have ulterior motives for certain things it's done in the past and will likely do in the future either. I was speaking about a very specific topic, the original topic of the thread. The EO as written does not eliminate any freedom, I challenge you to point out the line that does eliminate any freedom.

If you believe that all are lies, then you're as much imprisoned by the system as one who believes all is truth. Freedom lies in discerning the truth from the lie.

i'm done YMMV

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Aaron Moyer wrote:

Morpheus, 

It's not that I disagree, I just echo Johnny Oxygen's opinion.
By the time this stuff becomes a problem, it's all ready too late, and chances are there isn't much that can be done.

At this point, I feel like I'm watching a terminal patient just wither away regardless of how many "lifelines" we plug in.
All the beeping, humming machines might look comforting, but I still see a corpse propped artificially by refusal to acknowledge the truth.

Cheers,

Aaron 

I am inclined to agree with everything you posted here. But, I still believe that in today's spirit of the world, it's nearly impossible to believe the stated intentions of anything. 

And that's a sad world if you ask me. 

By the way. I'm the fool. It's "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... You won't get fooled again!". ;)

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I disagree Gungnir. The best way to do something in secret is to do it in the open under false pretenses. 

The problem is too many people that think that ulterior motives are something that they are "clever enough" to see. 

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not that clever. Unfortunately for me, I've been finding out this crap on average 5 years too late.  

Gungnir. Challenge accepted. That is, if you allow me to dig up all of the EO's preceeding it that put together a picture, an ugly picture, that effectively give the POTUS, by precedent (stari decisis) effective dictatorial power in the event of an "emergency". 

 

 

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