It's not incompetence it's orchestration:

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It's not incompetence it's orchestration:

So I read a free ebook pamphlet written in 1955 by L. Ron Hubbard  called The Brain Washing Manual: A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics.  The chapter concerning economics caught my eye here is the excerpt:

 

In a nation under conquest such as America, our slow and stealthy approach need take

advantage only of the cycle of booms and depressions inherent in Capitalistic nations in

order to assert more and more strong control over individual wills. A boom is as

advantageous as a depression for our ends, for during prosperity our propaganda lines

must only continues to point up the wealth the period is delivering to the select few to

divorce their control of the state. During a depression one must only point out that it

ensued as a result of the avarice of a few and the general political incompetence of the

national leaders.

To me this further supports evidence that our leaders know exactly what they are doing.  I believe that "they" are aware that the booms will ultimately cause a bust for the sake of control and to attain their ultimate goal of a well oiled mechanical socialist machine.  The argument that it's simply incompetence and that these people (e.g. federal reserve board, the cabinet, elitists, etc.) are just strong believers of a fallacious Keynesian ideology is doubtful.  These clowns know what they're doing, spreading fear throughout a populace in order to justify the marriage between the corporate groom and the government bride.  We are already waiting for the cement base of socialism to dry and will continue to build upon that with healthcare, further intervention and so on and so forth.  The following is icing on the cake:

The masses masses last come to believe that only excessive taxation of the rich can

relieve them of the "burdensome leisure class" and can thus be brought to accept such a

thing as income tax, a Marxist principle smoothly slid into Capitalistic framework in

1909 in the United States. This even though the basic law of the United States forbade it

and even though Communism at that time had been active only a few years in America.

Such success as the Income Tax law, had it been followed thoroughly could have brought

the United States and not Russia into the world scene as the first Communist nation. But

the virility and good sense of the Russian peoples won. It may not be that the United

States will become entirely Communist until past the middle of the century but when it

does it will be because of our superior understanding of economics and of psychopolitics.

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Re: It's not incompetence it's orchestration:

The marriage of corporations and the government is not socialism or communism, it is fascism.

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Re: It's not incompetence it's orchestration:
yagasjai wrote:

The marriage of corporations and the government is not socialism or communism, it is fascism.

Thanks for nitpicking on your forum debut.  Just the type of response I was looking for.  Instead of singling out a single term why not comment on the entirety of the article?  Stick to the point of what I'm saying rather than go off on a tagent singling out my misuse of a ideological concept. 

I'll admit I was incorrect in using the term but c'mon.

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Re: It's not incompetence it's orchestration:

First post or not, yagasjai has every right to write a comment, and is right in what was said.  There should be a distinction drawn between the terms, and I think it was appropriate to be made.  Glad you agree.

As far as the L.Ron Hubbard article:  When read carefully, I see from his continually use of  "our, " it would appear that he is pointing out that Communism is definitely coming to the U.S. around 2050 (mid century) and he is in on it.

But then, judging by some of the other stuff he wrote, who'd be surprised at what he might endorse. 

Regardless of whether or not Communism is coming to the U.S. something needs to happen, IMHO, that will curtail the mighty wave of greedy capitalism, and outrageously powerful government, all carefully managed by the banking cartel and enormous corporations, and that frightens me too.

It sure appears to me that "We the people"  is fast becoming an archaic term. 

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Re: It's not incompetence it's orchestration:

 

I've been saying it.  This country practices more of the 10 planks of the communists manifesto, than we do our Constitution.  

 

  • Abolition of Private Property.
  • Heavy Progressive Income Tax.
  • Abolition of Rights of Inheritance.
  • Confiscation of Property Rights.
  • Central Bank.
  • Government Ownership of Communication and Transportation.
  • Government Ownership of Factories and Agriculture.
  • Government Control of Labor.
  • Corporate Farms and Regional Planning.
  • Government Control of Education.
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Re: It's not incompetence it's orchestration:

Kurosawa, excellent find.  I love these little books from the past where the elite publishes the way they work.  They're actually honest!  And incredibly, nobody bothers to notice what they say.  This stuff is a gold mine...like finding the playbook of the opposing team before the Super Bowl. It makes it plain as day that, you're correct, what we're experiencing today is orchestrated, not a result of accidental incompetence.  The system takes advantage of a lot of incompetence and greed in people like all the minions running around on Wall St pushing worthless securities, but the people at the very top are not incompetent at all.

There is not such a clear separation between all the ism's so it doesn't seem too relevant to me to argue whether it's one ism or another.  All the ism's are systems put in place to manage a population.  The key is, who are the system developers--who has the power?  Though the role of business was different, Russian communism and euro fascism were 2 versions of the same thing...a powerful elite in control and killing the millions who got in the way.  The Russian Revolution was financed by the same banks that financed the French Revolution, financed Hitler, and took over our supposedly capitalist economy in the US.  Regardless of what label we want to put on it, unless the people rise up and get a jubilee to put the banks out of power, what's coming here is a similar system of a few elite controlling the masses with totalitarian systems. The controlling core will be more advanced than those in the past because instead of relying on big guns, OR big business, OR big govt politburo, it will be a combination of all three, and it has the luxury of the fact that no other military can come close to threatening it (unlike the russian and german machines that eventually were brought down because a superior military forced it).  

 

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Kurosawa,

Thanks for the interesting post.  I thought Hubbard was just another religious crazy, didn't know he was a communist. 

JK121 said:

I've been saying it. This country practices more of the 10 planks of the communists manifesto, than we do our Constitution.

Great call JK.  Your list confirms the movement towards totalitarian communism ( fascism or nazism can easily be substituted).

Larry

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Re: It's not incompetence it's orchestration:

Fascism scares me more than socialism or communism do, somehow.  That is why I pointed out the distinction, certainly not to give offense. It really gets my attention when the discussion is framed in terms of fascism and the same may be true for others.

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Re: It's not incompetence it's orchestration:
yagasjai wrote:

Fascism scares me more than socialism or communism do, somehow.  That is why I pointed out the distinction, certainly not to give offense. It really gets my attention when the discussion is framed in terms of fascism and the same may be true for others.

If I may bring a not-so-out-of-left-field-opinion...

Communism, socialism, fascism - and even what is being commonly termed "American Capitalism" these days (and I would attest has nothing to do with the free market ideologies of the Founders) are all statist concepts.  The goal in instituting any of them would ultimately be to isolate a majority of the power in the minority of the people, and the most palatable way to play that with modern peoples is to use the abstract of "the State" (as opposed to military, monarchy, slavemaster, etc). 

Rahm Emanuel apparently said publicly something to the effect of "we should not let this crisis go to waste" - the inferred meaning of which is that people are easily herded and manipulated when in pain or fear. 

Kurosawa, this bit of writing is certainly a gem of a confession, and I think not alone (I think Aldous Huxley wrote some things to this effect and a number of 'illuminati' types have published their plans/tactics without shame), though I'm not sure that the intentional nature of this Statist power grab is entirely conspiratorial - I think it's almost as if common knowledge amongst the powerful and connected and the 'ideal reaction' to a given situation is simply rote.

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ivoryjackal wrote:
yagasjai wrote:

Fascism scares me more than socialism or communism do, somehow.  That is why I pointed out the distinction, certainly not to give offense. It really gets my attention when the discussion is framed in terms of fascism and the same may be true for others.

If I may bring a not-so-out-of-left-field-opinion...

Communism, socialism, fascism - and even what is being commonly termed "American Capitalism" these days (and I would attest has nothing to do with the free market ideologies of the Founders) are all statist concepts.  The goal in instituting any of them would ultimately be to isolate a majority of the power in the minority of the people, and the most palatable way to play that with modern peoples is to use the abstract of "the State" (as opposed to military, monarchy, slavemaster, etc). 

Rahm Emanuel apparently said publicly something to the effect of "we should not let this crisis go to waste" - the inferred meaning of which is that people are easily herded and manipulated when in pain or fear. 

Kurosawa, this bit of writing is certainly a gem of a confession, and I think not alone (I think Aldous Huxley wrote some things to this effect and a number of 'illuminati' types have published their plans/tactics without shame), though I'm not sure that the intentional nature of this Statist power grab is entirely conspiratorial - I think it's almost as if common knowledge amongst the powerful and connected and the 'ideal reaction' to a given situation is simply rote.

I'd be interested if you could lead me to anything related to this from Huxley since I've read a number of his works that would be interesting.

Dr.Kirby, just to note it's debateable who wrote this manual.  Among Hubbard there are two others, although Hubbard is widely accepted as the author.

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The Fleecing of the Tycoons
Kurosawa wrote:

A boom is as advantageous as a depression for our ends, for during prosperity our propaganda lines must only continue to point up the wealth [that] the period [delivers] to the select few [in order to] divorce their control of the state.  During a [subsequent, and inevitable] depression one must only point out that it ensued as a result of the avarice of a few and the general political incompetence of the national leaders.  *

I think that this particular excerpt is a good warning for us.  I've been concerned for some time, about the number of shows on television, and news reports, that seem to be aimed at inciting rage at the wealthy.  American Greed and the highly publicized Bernie Madoff scandal spring to mind . . . There are many other examples, including the occasional show showcasing the obscenely lavish residences of the ultra wealthy.  I often wonder if we're being set up to accept a confiscatory income tax, or some other mechanism by which the deservedly rich can be fleeced.  This is what I mean when I allege that today's tycoons are tomorrow's marks.  Hmmm . . . anybody here vulnerable to that approach?  Certainly, more than a few of us are worried about being one of the "haves" in a world of newly minted "have nots" . . .

The other concept that this approach sets us up for is the idea that our system of government doesn't work, and that it needs to be discarded, wholesale, and replaced with a new one.

 

 

*  Brackets are mine, for clarity of writing style.

 

-- Ammended, to flesh out the idea.  Also, after posting the Subject for this post, I couldn't help but notice the dual meaning of the word "fleece". 

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Re: It's not incompetence it's orchestration:

Very interesting first post. Hubbard is rumoured to have worked actively in the mind controll programs of MK Ultra, a covert operation of govt. Iyou follow the collapse of the Soviet Union it's apparent that many of the oligarchs and Putin himself rose through the ranks of the KGB. I think the collusion of govt and Wall Street to the point they have become an intermingled single entity, was spearheaded by an intensely exclusive, class obsessed, clandestine world. The effects on the collective American psyche have been pretty thorough, and many are now emerging from what can only be described as a dream, turned nightmare.  We wonder what part we have played individually, through what we have believed, if we can be said to be responsible for beliefs that appear to have been engineered and then question who produced and directed the political economic drama. As it unravels it may be easier to do a forensic accounting of it's origins and design.

At this point, though, it seems to me, it is very important to ignore quasi independent television programming NPR and PBS. I watched a Frontline show recently that actually portrayed the banking industry as being somewhat heroic, (if incompetent) in allowing govt interferance,accepting bail out money!! This is a laugh riot of major proportions. Pirates getting misty eyed at their own generosity of spirit at allowing the govt to loot the treasury, on their behalf. Epic propaganda. Limited hangout material radiating directly from the intelligence community, no doubt, because anyone with the knowledge required to make a documentary of the subject, would for a minute be fooled into framing it in this way. 

Unfortunately, this is not socialism, and fascism may not be adequate to describe it, either, though that is much closer. It seems to resemble organized crime, presided over by powerful families, more than anything I've ever seen. 

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Re: It's not incompetence it's orchestration:

Unfortunately, this is not socialism, and fascism may not be adequate to describe it, either, though that is much closer. It seems to resemble organized crime, presided over by powerful families, more than anything I've ever seen.

Property and Plunder - from Frédéric Bastiat's "The Law" 1850

Man can live and satisfy his wants only by ceaseless labor; by the ceaseless application of his faculties to natural resources. This process is the origin of property.

But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder.

Now since man is naturally inclined to avoid pain — and since labor is pain in itself — it follows that men will resort to plunder whenever plunder is easier than work. History shows this quite clearly. And under these conditions, neither religion nor morality can stop it.

When, then, does plunder stop? It stops when it becomes more painful and more dangerous than labor.

It is evident, then, that the proper purpose of law is to use the power of its collective force to stop this fatal tendency to plunder instead of to work. All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder.

But, generally, the law is made by one man or one class of men. And since law cannot operate without the sanction and support of a dominating force, this force must be entrusted to those who make the laws.

This fact, combined with the fatal tendency that exists in the heart of man to satisfy his wants with the least possible effort, explains the almost universal perversion of the law. Thus it is easy to understand how law, instead of checking injustice, becomes the invincible weapon of injustice. It is easy to understand why the law is used by the legislator to destroy in varying degrees among the rest of the people, their personal independence by slavery, their liberty by oppression, and their property by plunder. This is done for the benefit of the person who makes the law, and in proportion to the power that he holds.

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Re: It's not incompetence it's orchestration:
goes211 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is not socialism, and fascism may not be adequate to describe it, either, though that is much closer. It seems to resemble organized crime, presided over by powerful families, more than anything I've ever seen.

Property and Plunder - from Frédéric Bastiat's "The Law" 1850

Man can live and satisfy his wants only by ceaseless labor; by the ceaseless application of his faculties to natural resources. This process is the origin of property.

But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder.

Now since man is naturally inclined to avoid pain — and since labor is pain in itself — it follows that men will resort to plunder whenever plunder is easier than work. History shows this quite clearly. And under these conditions, neither religion nor morality can stop it.

When, then, does plunder stop? It stops when it becomes more painful and more dangerous than labor.

It is evident, then, that the proper purpose of law is to use the power of its collective force to stop this fatal tendency to plunder instead of to work. All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder.

But, generally, the law is made by one man or one class of men. And since law cannot operate without the sanction and support of a dominating force, this force must be entrusted to those who make the laws.

This fact, combined with the fatal tendency that exists in the heart of man to satisfy his wants with the least possible effort, explains the almost universal perversion of the law. Thus it is easy to understand how law, instead of checking injustice, becomes the invincible weapon of injustice. It is easy to understand why the law is used by the legislator to destroy in varying degrees among the rest of the people, their personal independence by slavery, their liberty by oppression, and their property by plunder. This is done for the benefit of the person who makes the law, and in proportion to the power that he holds.

Well, Goes;

Thanks for that remarkably direct description of the situation.  I would add the qualifier that religion and morality are not wholly ineffectual, but certainly, in the absence of truly internalized morality, the above does indeed seem to be the case.  A recent manifestation of man's tendency to take the path of least resistance is our current clinging attempts to decipher the markets, which we know to be manipulated, hoping to come out a bit ahead of our peers.  The fact is that, in the end, with few exceptions, investing is the practice of maneuvering to outwit other participants for the purpose of making a profit, without actually having to personally produce any goods.  Unfortunately, this strategy, while it may be profitable in the short run, distracts us from getting down the the work of sustainable living. 

 

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