Israel-Iran war in September?

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Israel-Iran war in September?

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/cvn-77-ghw-bush-enters-persian-gulf-cia-veteran-robert-baer-predicts-september-israel-iran-w

Here's the Real Kicker:

Bob Wenzel of Economic Policy Journal writes: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/07/israel-iran-war-in-september.html

Economist Nouriel Roubini has tweeted the link to the ZeroHedge story. As long-term EPJ readers know, I consider Roubini the most connected man in finance. He has a small house warming party and George Soros shows up. To ring in the New Year, he shows up at  billionaire Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich's New Year's eve party. He gave Larry Summers stock in his company. Within hours of DSK being arrested, he tweeted that Christine Lagarde would take his place--as she has done. He is a consultant to most of the central banks in the world.

I have never seen Roubini tweeting on foreign affairs before, he is unlikely to be tweeting because he finds the story interesting. The story likely falls in line with what he is hearing from his very in the know network.

Israel-Iran war in September, mark your calendar.

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This is getting rather

This is getting rather predictable, but we are already at war with Iran:

The United States is engaged in a deadly but seldom mentioned proxy war with Iran. In a rare act of candor, two senior Obama administration defense officials have addressed the open secret of Iran’s active support for insurgent groups fighting U.S. troops overseas.

Earlier this week, during a visit to Iraq, newly confirmed Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta strongly denounced Iranian support for increasingly violent Shiite militia groups in that country. “We are very concerned about Iran and the weapons they are providing to extremists here in Iraq,” he said. “We’re seeing more of those weapons going in from Iran, and they’ve really hurt us.” Mr. Panetta pledged that America would take action against Iran’s provocations. “We cannot sit back and simply allow this to continue to happen,” he said. “This is not something we’re going to walk away from. It’s something we’re going to take on head-on.”

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Iranian support for insurgencies is rarely raised so publicly at such high levels.

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The Obama administration has been reticent to draw attention to Iran’s support for insurgents. Early in 2009, the White House initiated a high-profile outreach effort to Tehran, which was rebuffed quickly and foundered after the brutal crackdown on Iranian pro-reform demonstrators that same summer. Since then, relations have grown steadily worse because of Iran’s nuclear program and dismal human rights record. With U.S. forces exiting the region, it would be strategically sound to signal the Islamic republic that America won’t tolerate continued support for insurgent groups that threaten our allies and interests. As Mr. Panetta said, it’s about time the United States takes this issue head-on.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/14/white-house-admits-war-with-iran/

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Gold and silver react immediately

Gold about to touch $1600 and silver about to cross $40 as I write this ...

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Too early . . . .

. . . . and too much going on IMO. Can't be a physical war anyway because US, UK and 'allies' are fatigued + debt etc [risking a revolution]. They need to consolidate Libya, Iraq, AfPak etc first. 'Own' those countries and they will keep the oil flowing in the right direction for a few years. Gold and Silver yep high but still manipulated so no real high, not yet. Remember liquidity, you can't eat precious metals if TSHTF I'd rather have a foundation of investments producing something that is useful, maybe food or water rather than somebody offering me shed loads of 'valuables'. Damned hard work though and at the moment producing food is labour intensive compared to nipping down to the local store, all could change within months though IMO.

There is a race to bottom wrt depreciation of currencies. I agree with Jim Rogers - China, Euro, USA who folds first? China bubble, Euro + Dollar to depreciate to reconcile QE printing. Iran is in the future (2 years, 5 years, 10 years??) build the hate now. Iran has most oil in west of country so US is close enough with the countries it is consolidating. May not even come to physical war if globe can use science to revert back from oil addiction but too many government heads spend too much time considering their image in the mirror (media), rather than doing their job: Bound to screw up so steal from somewhere else just like we do at the moment. Look at the price of a T-shirt and compare with a sandwich, that is the giveaway. UK, US and many other countries are farming REAL poverty overseas. Finally, water will probably hit and become blue gold well before peak oil causes problems.

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September of what year?

sundarb -

We've been down this road before.  Not sure if you have been through this year old plus thread yet.  Some pretty good discussion - both factual and well informed, reasoned opinion based.  Then there's the standard fare of insults (both open and thinly veiled), garrulous pomposity and flat out wrong. 

I guess it's like a cafeteria - you get to pick what you want.  Have fun.

http://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/odds-us-attacking-iran-within-next-24-months/41927?page=0#comments

 

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Sept of this year
Dogs_In_A_Pile wrote:

sundarb -

We've been down this road before.  Not sure if you have been through this year old plus thread yet.  Some pretty good discussion - both factual and well informed, reasoned opinion based.  Then there's the standard fare of insults (both open and thinly veiled), garrulous pomposity and flat out wrong. 

I guess it's like a cafeteria - you get to pick what you want.  Have fun.

http://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/odds-us-attacking-iran-within-next-24-months/41927?page=0#comments

Dogs,

I'm aware. I put this up because Nouriel Roubini thinks it is important to note. And he has made a few consistent predictions before because of his connections. I don't want to engage in speculation, but something significant of this nature would require urgent preparations. So I just wanted to highlight it, that's all. May be instead of starting a new thread, I'll just email the link to Daily Digest :)

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Looks like a poison pill argument....
sundarb wrote:

Dogs,

I'm aware. I put this up because Nouriel Roubini thinks it is important to note. And he has made a few consistent predictions before because of his connections. I don't want to engage in speculation, but something significant of this nature would require urgent preparations. So I just wanted to highlight it, that's all. May be instead of starting a new thread, I'll just email the link to Daily Digest :)

sundarb -

Wait 6 months and Durden and Zero Hedge will roll out a carbon copy of this article. There is nothing ominous about the carrier presence in the Gulf. There have been 3 carrier strike groups in the region since 2003. The fact that the USS G. H. W. BUSH was the first carrier to transit the Strait of Hormuz into the region in months is because she just relieved USS CARL VINSON in a normal rotation cycle. A cycle that will be repeated in about 6 months.

Sensationalizing normal deployment cycles as "definitive precursors" to "impending war with (insert Middle East country of choice)" is a worn out tactic by Tyler Durden.

From February:  http://www.zerohedge.com/article/us-aircraft-carrier-deployment-update-february-9

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/us-naval-update-enterprise-second-aircraft-carrier-reinforce-persian-gulf-kearsarge-pursuit-

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/us-military-counter-libya-preparation-update-uss-enterprise-now-back-mediterranean

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/us-naval-update-cvn-65-enterprise-abandons-libya-reinforces-cvn-70-vinson-straits-hormuz

 

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September Morn'

 

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Oh no...here we go again

Don’t Get It Twisted, We Are Already At War With Iran

http://www.thefinancialmarketnews.com/don%E2%80%99t-get-it-twisted-we-ar...

 

This weeks Iran launched an Oil Bourse on Kish Island. At the same time, former CIA officer and middle east expert Robert Baer stated that Israel is preparing to possibly attack on Iran in the Fall. Meanwhile, a US Drone was shot down Iran and a senior Iranian nuclear scientist was assassinated. There are a lot of behind-the-scenes secret activities taking place right now that make it hard to say with any definitiveness what will happen next in this theatre.

Actually it was discovered later that the person killed was not a nuclear scientist.

 

Importantly, readers must understand that the United States is actually in an active war with Iran. Most think the US is not at war with Iran because the US does not have troops inside Iran such as it does in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq, and is not engaging in behind-the-scenes support like in Libya, Yemen, and Somalia. The US is involved in active war with Iran in the form of a Siege:

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Whoopsies....
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http://www.zerohedge.com/article/cvn-77-ghw-bush-enters-persian-gulf-cia-veteran-robert-baer-predicts-september-israel-iran-w

Bob Wenzel of Economic Policy Journal writes: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/07/israel-iran-war-in-september.html

....I have never seen Roubini tweeting on foreign affairs before, he is unlikely to be tweeting because he finds the story interesting. The story likely falls in line with what he is hearing from his very in the know network.

Israel-Iran war in September, mark your calendar.

Marked.  One day left.  Better get busy. 

Stick to what you know Bob.  Normal carrier strike group deployment cycles and relief on station is really nothing to get excited about.  We're midway through this deployment.  We'll do it again in about 3 more months and at roughly six months intervals thereafter.

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Quote:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/cvn-77-ghw-bush-enters-persian-gulf-cia-veteran-robert-baer-predicts-september-israel-iran-w

Bob Wenzel of Economic Policy Journal writes: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/07/israel-iran-war-in-september.html

....I have never seen Roubini tweeting on foreign affairs before, he is unlikely to be tweeting because he finds the story interesting. The story likely falls in line with what he is hearing from his very in the know network.

Israel-Iran war in September, mark your calendar.

Marked.  One day left.  Better get busy. 

Stick to what you know Bob.  Normal carrier strike group deployment cycles and relief on station is really nothing to get excited about.  We're midway through this deployment.  We'll do it again in about 3 more months and at roughly six months intervals thereafter.

 

Where is Logansrun when you need him?

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I hear you, but....
Johnny Oxygen wrote:
Dogs_In_A_Pile wrote:
Quote:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/cvn-77-ghw-bush-enters-persian-gulf-cia-veteran-robert-baer-predicts-september-israel-iran-w

Bob Wenzel of Economic Policy Journal writes: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/07/israel-iran-war-in-september.html

....I have never seen Roubini tweeting on foreign affairs before, he is unlikely to be tweeting because he finds the story interesting. The story likely falls in line with what he is hearing from his very in the know network.

Israel-Iran war in September, mark your calendar.

Marked.  One day left.  Better get busy. 

Stick to what you know Bob.  Normal carrier strike group deployment cycles and relief on station is really nothing to get excited about.  We're midway through this deployment.  We'll do it again in about 3 more months and at roughly six months intervals thereafter.

 

Where is Logansrun when you need him?

I hear you JOx, but if you go back up to post #6 you can see that presenting normal, scheduled and published deployment schedules as precursors to impending conflict is disingenuous, alarmist and irresponsible.  Roubini doesn't get a pass on this one - no matter what circles he moves in.

Wenzel doesn't get a pass either.  His article specifically states to mark the calendar for a September war.  I think we can safely say he blew this one and Roubini's qualifications to wax eloquent wrt normal carrier strike group deployment are sketchy at best.

And I miss Tod also......

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Where is Logansrun?
Johnny Oxygen wrote:

Where is Logansrun when you need him?

I assume one of the following.

  1. At dinner with his CFR friends, listening to their latest plan for world domination.
  2. At his compound in Madagascar awating armageddon.
  3. Went back to being a lobbyist because he figured he had already sold his soul to the devil once.
  4. Visiting Jimmy Hoffa because TPTB thought he knew too much.
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goes211 wrote: Johnny Oxygen
goes211 wrote:
Johnny Oxygen wrote:

Where is Logansrun when you need him?

I assume one of the following.

  1. At dinner with his CFR friends, listening to their latest plan for world domination.
  2. At his compound in Madagascar awating armageddon.
  3. Went back to being a lobbyist because he figured he had already sold his soul to the devil once.
  4. Visiting Jimmy Hoffa because TPTB thought he knew too much.

If he's as smart as he seems, it would be #2 because in that way he could avoid #'s 1,3, &4. Would be nice to hear from him, though. Hello?? Ya there buddy???

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France threatens military action against Iran

 http://rt.com/news/military-strike-iran-france-567/

The French envoy to the UN has warned Iran that it risks a military strike if it continues pursuing its nuclear program.

"If we don't succeed today to reach a negotiation with the Iranians, there is a strong risk of military action," Ambassador Gerard Araud said on Tuesday during a panel discussion at the UN’s New York headquarters, AFP reported.

The strike, he said, "would be a very complicated operation. It would have disastrous consequences in the region… all the Arab countries are extremely worried about what is happening."

Last Sunday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called on Iran to "freeze the production of centrifuges," saying that such a step would prevent fresh sanctions against it.

In response we will abstain from imposing more sanctions, both at the UN Security Council and unilaterally,” the diplomat said in a CNN interview.

Another war is what's needed, especially since the economy continues to tank.

 

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