Internet will be offline when society gets simpler. Collect as much as possible information

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Internet will be offline when society gets simpler. Collect as much as possible information

Internet is a rather loose system of interconnected computers. However the connections, domain names registrations etc, are mostly held by companies that could fail easily.

Gone is our source of information. We will probably revert to good old radio.

The idea of this topic is to collect as much information as possible and store it on your own computer for later reference, before it is too late.

I just started with this so i am looking for good sites that contain information vital to live in a simpler society. For me that would be information about agriculture (permaculture), instructions for building things that would be needed to get fresh water, energy etc.

Anyone already have a list?

I was thinking of collecting/categorize everything and then make it available for download. 

 

 

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Re: Internet will be offline when society gets simpler. ...

Great idea but a potentially huge job, to guess now the info we might need online. Perhaps a better idea would be to buy books on the subjects you mentioned above now. (or wait until the January sales to do it)

Your task will be complicated by the way lots of pages do not save well locally, they are not designed for that

One thing i am doing is organising a satellite link with an ISP and enough solar power to run a laptop, modem (and fridge)
that way i should (hopefully) always be able to connect

This removes several weak links in the chain, local power companies, local ISP's etc but of course is reliant on the satellite ISP company, there are quite a few of those though. I could also take my connection anywhere independantly of phone lines

Communites will need access now onwards no matter what happens, the chance of storing locally what you will need later is slim IMHO

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I went barrt's route, and have bought a number of books containing knowledge we may need to survive in the future.  The way I see it, I can't predict what information resources will be available later (internet, Amazon, local bookstores).  So I would rather err on the safe side and buy a wide selection of potentially helpful "how to" and survival books now.  

 I know just having a book does not equal survival.  But if my family finds itself in that situation, I am thinking I would rather at least have that information available than not.  I also realize that if society dissolves, and security becomes the concern, having books on gardening and such may be a moot point.  But we do what we can.

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Re: Internet will be offline when society gets simpler. ...

Two books I've had in my library for a while:

"Where there is no doctor"

and 

"Where there is no dentist"

 

I just checked, and they're  available on amazon.com.  They are written for health care workers in underdeveloped countries.  

 I've also invested in books on saving seeds (must be from non-hybrid, or open pollenated plants), preserving food without refrigeration, and butchering.  

 I pray to God that I'll never need these references, but we still need to be prepared for the worst.

 

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Re: Internet will be offline when society gets simpler. ...

Thanx DamnTheMatrix!

 I have some experience with biodiesel as i made some from coconut oil. If you still have an old diesel then you can just pour it in and drive away. Unfortunately though it only works in warm climates.

I had to laugh about the last link.Laughing

Ploughing through thousands of sites is not easy. I found this site with google too.

 Greetings

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Re: Internet will be offline when society gets simpler. ...

Matrix, nice links...thanks.

 It is interesting.  I was just discussing (well, giving a monologue for) with my wife this very subject a few days ago. (Let's just say that she doesn't share my mindset.)   I have gotten so spoiled to info at my fingertips.  I don't think it will last forever.  Each day I think of the "Ricky Bobby" clip posted by another board member.  I am on fire.  I don't really like it, but I don't know how to prepare wiithout using those feelings as a motivator.

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Re: Internet will be offline when society gets simpler. ...

how do you organize a satelilte link with an isp? for the computer idiots.

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Hi Joe

just google "satellite isp yourhometown" or "satellite internet connection yourhometown" or similar

Basically they are the same as your current ISP but give you access via a satellite link - using a special modem - instead of the usual phone line access. you should be able to get a kit for around a $1000 or so, more pricey than the phone route but there you go

Of course it depends on the satelitte company staying afloat although you do hear stories of abandoned sateliites continuing to be operational for years. But i think that as information is now up there with other basic human needs that assets like that will be preserved at all costs, the internet itself was of course designed to withstand a nuclear holocaust

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Re: Internet will be offline when society gets simpler. ...

 

thanks for the links dtm, good assets there thanks.

Although its all very hard to save it all on a local machine which was the original posters question, better in my opinion to invest in a range of books and try to preserver a lifeblood connetion to the great electronic library

Ive got a ton of bookmarls somewhere from my investigations into cheap alternative power, ill post them up in a bit

such a valuable site this is, thanks everyone, i feel lucky to be here.

barrt

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cheap solar power research links

ok here is my list of references for methods for producing/ capturing solar energy. I live in a hot country so its perfect for here.

We are currently building prototypes (and having loads of fun with it!) and are confident that we will be supplying VERY cheap products early next year. For example companies here are selling passive hot water systems for about $2000!! we reckon we can deliver the same for under $200 using a lot of the ideas on these links

sorry about the mess!

http://techtv.mit.edu/file/1076/?skin=popup&file_type=flv

http://www.picciotto.org/math-ed/parabolas/geometry/conic.html

http://www.komal.hu/cikkek/dandelin/parabola.e.shtml

http://www.dailytech.com/MIT+Students+Develop+Revolutionary+Solar+Dish+That+is+Hot+Enough+to+Melt+Steel/article12153.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroCHP
http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/02/07/ask-the-sietch-diy-combined-heat-and-power-chp/

http://www.builditsolar.com/References/HPOptions.htm

stirling engines
http://www.solarheatengines.com/
http://www.sesusa.org/stirlng2.htm
http://www.enatec.com/English/enetec.html
http://www.sunpower.com/index.php?pg=15
http://www.keveney.com/Stirling.html
http://www.stirlingengine.com/
http://www.stirlingenergy.com/technology/default.asp
emachineshop.com
http://boydhouse.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=1
http://pesn.com/2005/08/11/9600147_Edison_Stirling_largest_solar/
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dgdc4nmj_7d4373k

http://www.instructables.com/community?categoryGroup=Forums
http://www.realgoods.com/product/id/1007928.do
http://www.realgoods.com/category/solar+power/solar+electric.do

fresnel lens

companies with xcvp stuff
http://www.stellaris-corp.com/contact.htm
http://www.sunrgi.com/contact-us.html
http://www.emcore.com/contact/email?e=99
http://cleantechnica.com/2008/05/10/solar-power-goes-to-extremes-for-5cents-per-watt/
http://www.emcore.com/support

Steam turbines
http://www.skinnerpowersystems.net/content/sbseries

heliostat
http://www.iwilltry.org/w/index.php?title=How_to_build_a_heliostat_for_solar_heating_and_lighting

solar hot water
http://www.instructables.com/id/SPQIG1OF5HVHRVL/

Id love to hear what you thin guys, and dtm, id like to buy you a beer and bend your ears one day :)

and dont forget, the internet was built to withstand nuclear war, it may well outlive us! we just have to make sure we can connect to it whatever happens

all the best, barrt

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Re: Internet will be offline when society gets simpler. ...

WOW Barrt, that is an impressive list, thanks.

I thought about books but realized that storing information on harddisks/dvds/cd is a lot more compact en not to forget a lot cheaper. I have a few books that are being scanned as i type this. Mobility is another thing we have to think about as circumstances can change quick and can force you to leave to better places.

I use BlackWidow to extract information from websites, you can download it on this address:

http://softbytelabs.com/us/bw/

It downloads everything, text pictures, links and you can set a level of how deep it will go to get information.

The internet is in my opinion not build to withstand nuclear war and certainly not an economic fall. A lot of internet companies have small margings and are very suceptible for economic troubles. I have one myself and am very aware that a lot of things we take for granted are actually hanging on a string.  

In my city if one or two 'nodes' are not working access is impossible, that would be around almost 100.000 households. Competition and prices force many isp's to just use one or two backbones instead of the hundreds that are theoretically possible. It is just a question of how redundant they want to build it. Every level of redundancy gives more security against breakdowns but at the same time diminishes a companies profit.

What will work after a nuclear war is the highly redundant and weblike networks that the military build.Getting access to those would be impossible and even if you could computers with information about permaculture, energy etc are probably not running anymore as most of those are maintained by enthousiast that will not be able to control the circumstances of their shared and colocated machines.

For a person who is good with DIY but lacking hands on skills in agriculture and energy generation i think information about these subjects is priority number 1, the next is food. Food is available now in large quantities and can be bought and stored. Being able to sustain food supply will be the next thing and for that information is the utmost important thing to have. With a stash of physical gold of course.Laughing

 

 

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Re: Internet will be offline when society gets simpler. ...
barrt wrote:

Great idea but a potentially huge job, to guess now the info we might need online. Perhaps a better idea would be to buy books on the subjects you mentioned above now. (or wait until the January sales to do it)

The list of books on the left of LATOC Breaking News (great to read along with the Daily Digest here BTW) looks like a good library to build up.

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