The Hegelian Dialectic: the Corruption of Deductive Reasoning

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The Hegelian Dialectic: the Corruption of Deductive Reasoning

Aristotle gave us the foundations (foutrh century B.C.) for the two most often used methods for logical and critical thinking: 

  • Deduction is the process from the general to the specifics   
  • Induction moves from the specifics to the general

The United States became the first large nation state to apply both of these philosophies to form a government limited by law; by and for the people.  Democracy by Republic.  For the first time, individual rights trumped the rights of the state.

The Hegelian Dialectic corrupted deductive while eliminating inductive reasoning.

Outline:

  • Origans of deductive and inductive reasoning
  • Definitions
  • The corruption of the Hegelian formula for deductive reasoning
  • The communitarian purpose for the Hegelian dialectic
  • The argument between the dialectical argument
  • Conclusion
  • Semantics
  • Examples

Summary:

The attched article will take you around 30-45 minutes to read.

"... the State 'has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State... for the right of the world spirit is above all special priveleges.'  -  Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Hegel in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959)

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Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770-1831) was a 19th century German philosopher and theologist who wrote the Science of Logic in 1812. For many historians, Hegel is "perhaps the greatest of the German idealist philosophers."

In 1847 the London Communist League (Marx and Engels, pictured left) used Hegel's theory of the dialectic to back up their economic theory of communism. Now, in the 21st century, Hegelian-Marxist thinking affects our entire social and political structure.

The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision for the future.

Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can't be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda.

The Marxist's global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to stop land grabs, privacy invasions, expanded domestic police powers, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. Only then can we be released from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

When we understand what motivated Hegel, we can see his influence on all of our destinies. Then we become real players in the very real game that has been going on for at least 224 years. Hegelian conflicts steer every political arena on the planet, from the United Nations to the major American political parties, all the way down to local school boards and community councils. Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal.

The ultimate Third Way agenda is world government. Once we get what's really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness. Focusing on Hegel's and Engel's ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.

Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks.

No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts. We're definitely not in Kansas anymore.

Look forward to any comments!

Larry

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Re: The Hegelian Dialectic: the Corruption of Deductive ...

Oh yea...forgot the link...

http://nord.twu.net/acl/dialectic.html

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Hi Larry, I think you know where I stand on this.  It's precisely what the world is caught in...the perpetual conflict...created/instigated/manipulated from the top to shape the world and humanity according to the goals/desires of the instigators.  It's what kings/lords/pharoahs/emperors/caesars/despots/banks/corporations have done throughout history.  Why would we think it's any different today? Denying it is happening requires ignoring a lot of the reality we see in our surroundings, the trajectory of history, etc.  

The problem today is that TPTB are trying to operate at a global level rather than the historical, smaller, regional level, so there's no easy territory to run to in order to escape the dialectic.  The only way to escape it at this point is for human consciousness, escaping the manufactured framework, to occur at a large enough level to interrupt the dialectic.  

 

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This is heavy stuff, not to be digested quickly or easily ... but fascinating.  I look forward to reading the article in depth.  Reminds me of the contrast between the Eastern concept of duality ( yin/yang) and the Judaeo-Christian concept of unity (at-one-ment).  Are we separate or are we one?  Is it real or is it illusion?  Is there good and evil or just good and degrees of absence of good?  

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Larry

Thanks for this.  I feel like I started reading this at some time previously and lost track of it.  I've done a certain amount of time applying Lacanian analysis to film/media and encountered the concept of the "Hegelian Dialectic" all over the place though never really researched it to its core.  I'm always eager to see something broken down and looked at inside out, especially if it provides a key to personal liberties...

Thanks

Daniel

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srabes said:

It's precisely what the world is caught in...the perpetual conflict...created/instigated/manipulated from the top to shape the world and humanity according to the goals/desires of the instigators.

strabes, I've learned a lot from watching you point out the dialectic at work in many posts, please accept a late H/T  Laughing

ao said:

This is heavy stuff, not to be digested quickly or easily ... but fascinating.

It is difficult to understand in theory because it is illogical.  Like strabes said earlier, it is a circular process.  I found that it was much easier to understand by observing the principles in action.

ivoryjackal said:

I feel like I started reading this at some time previously and lost track of it.  I've done a certain amount of time applying Lacanian analysis to film/media and encountered the concept of the "Hegelian Dialectic" all over the place though never really researched it to its core.

Me too, that's exactly what I did - I started researching it and struggled to find the logic, which became very boring and I dropped it for another time.  Let me give you a tip to make your research a whole lot easier.

Hegels original work was changed by Marx and Engels to better suit their purpose.  Hegels process leads us to the conclusion that communism is the ideal system.  Marx and Engels ratcheted up the process; instead of misleading people to the "ideal" conclusion, they start with the conclusion first.  

I think the form of the dialectic that we are overwhelmed with today is probably more accurately "dialectic materialism."  It is a tool to "manipulate us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action to advance humanity into an international dictatorship of the proletariat."  It is often referred to as "chaos Marxism" because chaos must be created in order to inject the conclusion/goal. 

Niki Raapana suggests that:

The only way to stop land grabs, privacy invasions, expanded domestic police and military powers, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic.  Only then can we be released from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

The ultimate agenda is world government.  Once we get what's really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness.  Focusing on Hegel's and Engel's ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.

Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks.

No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts. We're definitely not in Kansas anymore.

Larry

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DrKrbyLuv wrote:

Me too, that's exactly what I did - I started researching it and struggled to find the logic, which became very boring and I dropped it for another time.  Let me give you a tip to make your research a whole lot easier.

Hegels original work was changed by Marx and Engels to better suit their purpose.  Hegels process leads us to the conclusion that communism is the ideal system.  Marx and Engels ratcheted up the process; instead of misleading people to the "ideal" conclusion, they start with the conclusion first.  

Larry

Yeah, I always gathered that the idea of "the Dialectic" was a bit more benign (a philosophical observation about the way decisions evolved or something).  My interest was always more in the personal and psychological (from the Bataille side - death drive kind of stuff) so I must admit I brushed it aside as much as I possibly could.  I always understood that Marxists considered it very important but in that world Marxists are really rather harmless and entirely theoretical - and I wasn't so real world conscious - so I kind of let it slide.

I didn't realize it played such a huge role in the linear ideal of Marxist utopia (this where I always presumed the Progressive subculture of the 20th century Democrat party comes from - the fallacy that we're better than it all and are destined to improve and improve until we finally arrive at total statist hive-civilization.  forget that our technological prowess over the last century or two has been largely fueled by a diminishing supply of cheap oil), and this, like a good game of tetris, fits a lot of pieces in their place.

I can't help but think (and contrast) about the essays I've been reading of Martin Armstrong's.  Not necessarily perfect thinking, but a very compelling argument for a grand cyclical process in nature (as opposed to the human-overridden linear progress that Marxism presumes) and his assertion that the denial of this causes a lot of misreadings of cause/effect in our culture and ultimately a lot of misplaced effort.

At the core, the struggle here does seem to be a question of whether we are travelling a straight path to better and brighter things all the time as a culture (which sure makes me feel fuzzy and nice if not superior as a human) or is there a different, even better, way to read the cycles and progress of our history and technology.

Is that reading off base?

Daniel

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Daniel,

I think you hit some really good points.  A premise to Hegels thinking was that society should continuously evolve - move towards perfection as you pointed out.  Sounds good, but then he goes a step further by "pushing" the evolutionary process in continually pitting one side against the other in an attempt to find the "third way" (communism).  Un-natural selection?  Survival of the parasites over the host?

I'm not familiar with Martin Armstrong - what does he say?

By beginning with the "third way," Marx made the dialectic more militant and destructive.  Chaos and crisis are created so that the third way can be pushed on the people.  The militant part can be seen in many of their tactics.  For example, write a bill that no one wants, then create a crisis or chaos and quickly tell the people this is the only solution.  Make the bill extremely long and confusing, then rush it as an emergency.

Spook and stampede the people into the holding pens. 

No need for a constitution or bill of rights as they would quickly "evolve" into something else.  The state (run by elite plutocrats) is always more important than the rights of the individual. 

My sense is that the process is accelerating and going up in volume - I'd be interested to know what others think.

Larry

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DrKrbyLuv wrote:

I'm not familiar with Martin Armstrong - what does he say?

Martin Armstrong is a historian who found a mathematical pattern throughout history that seems to cycle within a culture (in fact, he claims this cycle and all sub-cycles of it can be used to predict the rise and fall of said culture).  He used his research and knowledge to time markets with the mathematical theorem mixed with a healthy dose of historical interpretation and managed to do quite well.  That is until he was arrested, as he suggests (I say that diplomatically, you can read his body of evidence and it's quite compelling) after having been set up either by the CIA (who had asked nicely for his algorithm first) or Goldman Sachs (his defense attorney who pretty much took the prosecutions side is now their CFO or some such).  He's currently serving time for contempt as none of the charges actually stuck.  It's been 7 yrs.  I pretty much buy his story, but I'm always skeptical, too.  Doesn't much matter for his research - he's quite well read and learned. 

He published one paper (these are all typewritten in jail - no computer access) and then posted online by friends and relatives) that dealt with Marxism and basically fed me the theorem I posted above.  The research you posted really just firmed it up for me.  He claims we're living through the death throes of the Marxist philosophies, but I don't know if that means we'll see an end to their nonsense in our lifetimes or not.

http://www.scribd.com/people/documents/10432015-kris     This is a list of most of his writings.  They're long but worth it.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13980718/Collapse-of-Capitalism    Try this one for socialism proper.  You might need to prime yourself with some earlier stuff to follow his numerical system and such, but you might just pick it up as you go.

 

DrKrbyLuv wrote:

No need for a constitution or bill of rights as they would quickly "evolve" into something else.  The state (run by elite plutocrats) is always more important than the rights of the individual. 

Were you aware that the contemporaries back in the late 1700's who had penned the US Constitution were considering a bill of rights and that there was a very strong argument against it (not sure by whom, I just can't remember who was on which side off the top of my head)?  Not because they didn't believe these rights should be protected, but because, almost all being experienced lawyers and knowing how a lawyer is able to twist words into their opposite meaning, they feared that putting the rights down in writing would provide groundwork for their abolition - that the only way to keep them inalieable was to leave them 'self evident' and not pretend to grant them.  It's ironic that the natural rights left out of the Bill of Rights were, in fact, the first to fall (the right of free travel, for instance, between nations).

Daniel

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Hegalian thinking is predicated on illogical and false premise. That's why it appears impossible to understand. The trick is to go back in time on a particular issue, and document and disseminate the framing of debate on a particular topic. Apply classical logic (induction, deduction, heuristics) to the beginning of the argument, then look for where the flawed logic is initiated.

The Hegalian Dialectic works off of the snowballing effect of "initial conditions". All one needs to do is inject a small illogical premise early into the debate, declare a logical conclusion (which is in fact illogical based on an illogical premise, and illogic will permeate and magnify throughout the thesis -> anti-thesis -> synthesis recursion until the results are predetermined nonsense.

Try it with smoking laws. Go back to the 1970's and see where it started. Then see where it has spread to today. You'd be stunned. First though, you have to keep your own predjudices and bias' regarding smoking off the table or you'll buy right into it, hook, line, and sinker.

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Why is Martin Armstrong still in jail?

Does anyone follow his legal case?  I'm kind of surprised no one posts the Princeton Economics reports on CM.com when they come out.

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I see this is an old link, brought back to life with an interesting topic. There probably won’t be much interest in resurrecting this rather arcane subject, but in the oft chance that there might be, I’d add some commentary.

First off, conflating Hegelian dialectic with communism and totalitarianism is not really appropriate. The derivatives of the dialectic methods used by Marx and then Lenin had little to do with Hegelian dialectic.

For example, Hegel never used the specific example of thesis-antithesis-synthesis in his work, “The Science of Logic. He did use a three sided argument structure that he termed abstract-negative-concrete, which has a very different meaning, in that the abstract was deemed to be just that, with is to say a theory without observable basis. The negative was the pragmatic side, or observable event, and the concrete was the reconciliation between the real and the abstract.

This is actually a very effective way at reconciling a scientific theory with experimental results- and not a deviant philosophy designed to enslave humankind.

The strains of dialectic used by Marx in Das Kapital were quite different and not directly comparable.

These (rather large) discrepancies are no doubt a result of some think tank concoction designed as  part of a structured attack on thinking and ideology that may, somehow, someday, be used in a way deemed to be an affront to some right wing initiative. A campaign of misinformation, deliberately designed to malign a way of thinking that if widely embraced, very possibly could illuminate tactics and mass media strategies that are frequently used today, such as providing two seemingly different party choices that will inherently result in the same result.

We’ll see if there are any other interested commentators.

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ivoryjackal wrote: DrKrbyLuv
ivoryjackal wrote:
DrKrbyLuv wrote:

I'm not familiar with Martin Armstrong - what does he say?

Martin Armstrong is a historian who found a mathematical pattern throughout history that seems to cycle within a culture (in fact, he claims this cycle and all sub-cycles of it can be used to predict the rise and fall of said culture).

 I've only just stumbled upon Martin Armstrong and the legal case (read: stich-up) that he was (is?) embroiled in. The history of the case, from his side, is detailed here and I found it utterly compelling reading. He seems to be quite a prolific writer and you can see them here. Whilst Madoff was jailed for stealing from the Elites, it seems Armstrong was imprisoned for exposing and refusing to join the Elites (he calls them the "CLUB").

There are a couple of things that have really interested me so far in reading his work (only a few hours in total currently). First is that his Economic Confidence Model strongly reminds me of the Psychohistory found in Isaac Asimov's Foundation books (I read these 30 years ago...it pains me to type that). Predicting the future, which considerable accuracy, based on mathematical models taking data from all manner of sources (socialogical, historical etc). Armstrong's ECM isn't quite as in-depth as Asimov's Psycho History but then again this isn't science fiction. Of course, the different between science fiction and reality seems to be only a matter of time.

The other thing that interested me is his discussion of manipulation in the silver market and the lack of action by a corrupt CFTC. I've just finished reading The Asylum by Leah McGrath Goodwin where she also talks about the CFTC's corruption.

Interestingly he writes that gold isn't a hedge against inflation but instead a hedge against a loss of confidence in government or, as he says on page 2 here, a hedge against political instability and government default. With the debt ceiling antics I think gold's time has come.

 

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