Freedom Does NOT Come From.....

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Freedom Does NOT Come From.....

 

I cannot stand the people who hypnotically repeat the same old Freedom Catch slogans and do not realize that

Freedom does not come from Soldiers Killing overseas.  How does this make any sense?  It's your Government/Congress and Central Bank that takes away freedom.  Congress takes away your Rights, and Central Banks destroy your financial Freedom.  

George Carlin nailed it when he said "You have no Rights."  You got Privileges that can be taken away any time The Government wants to.  

Do people really think Bin Laden or Al Queda are gonna come over here and take away your freedom?  Obviously NOT, but most brainwashed civilians and soldiers believe this and say the same thing over and over again,  "Fighting for your Freedom", if anything that "Fighting" is only going to insight hatred for the long hull.  

It's all a psychological war game of semantics on the masses.  

 

Does the slogan "Fighting for Freedom" bother any of you, considering how full of _______ it is?  OR just Freedom all together, how can a country that is free have so many rules and regulations?

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Yep but it works by design. People who see things in black and white are very easily manipulated. Call a new law "The Patriot Act" and what red blooded American would be against that? Even if it does discard the 4th ammendment its the Patriot Act for god's sake you gotta help the government catch those terroists.

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"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true rulling power of our country."

From Edward L. Bernanys book Propaganda   

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The only real freedom anyone has is the freedom of perception.  Using terror on a grand scale to fight terror on a comparatively small and rather isolated scale is futile.  It only serves to reinforce the belief that many people have about nearly all of the wars waged by the USA's MIC.  And that belief is that all “wars” and acts of military aggression by this country are a racket created by the elite and used to serve the monetary interests of the very few who don’t have to even put their selves in harm’s way.

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On the issue of "The Patriot Act" since we are a Constitutional Republic NOT a Democracy, you should have the right not to acknowledge The Patriot Act, but since everyone thinks we are a Democracy you have NO RIGHT at all, and forced to accept it, for a Democracy is 2 wolves and a Lamb voting on what is for Lunch. 

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Set!

Preach it brother!

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Freedom comes from education.  An educated populace - one that can read & write and think critically, is one that will not yield to the shackles of tyranny.  That is why the first thing tyrants do, after taking away people's guns, is to take away their books, take over the media and all other communication, censor books and movies, and take over the schools.  It only takes one generation (30-35) years of brainwashing in a State-run education system, to exert enough control over the population to secure tyrannical rule for years to come.  In that way, the youngest generation is brainwashed to be on the side of the State, while the older generations are imprisoned, executed, or exiled, or silenced by the fear of any one of those fates.

In the U.S., the government has succeeded in dumbing down enough of the populace through public education, that we wind up with the kinds of problems and politicians we have today and have had for 30 years.  Statists have succesfully invaded K-12 public education, and through the power of their influence via State-subsidized secondary education, have also succeeded in infiltrating higher education.  We now have multiple generations of people who do not even perceive the problems we on this site do, and if you tried to explain it to them, their first reaction would be to defend the State, in all its glorious debt and decades-long history of abject failure despite attempt after failed attempt.

In the meantime, Neocons seize upon the same ignorance to perpetuate the military-industrial-banking complex cabal, which is just a different iteration of the State vs. the individual, only dressed in different clothing. 

In both cases, ignorance feeds Statism and eventually leads to Tyranny.

That is why Chris Martenson, and anyone else who dedicates themselves towards educating everyday people on the truth, really is a hero and needs our support.  For if they don't succeed, we are doomed to a generation if not more of very dark years. 

Again, freedom can only spring and be maintained amongst an educated populace, for only ignorance will support tyranny.

Just my 2 cents.

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True Freedom does come from Education, but that is after you finally deconstruct the pseudo information put out there by the Median hounds, who so many are enslaved to (cnn, fox, rush, hannity, palin, msnbc).  Every year though the list of what you can and cannot do shrinks.  

One day the U.S. may as well be called "The United State of Orwellianism"

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Farmer Brown wrote:

In the U.S., the government has succeeded in dumbing down enough of the populace through public education, that we wind up with the kinds of problems and politicians we have today and have had for 30 years.  Statists have succesfully invaded K-12 public education, and through the power of their influence via State-subsidized secondary education, have also succeeded in infiltrating higher education. 

I’ve heard this comment regarding statist infiltration of K-12 schools before, and I wonder if I might ask as to some specifics as to how, and exactly what this means. As I have a young child now entering school, I would like to better understand what to look out for and what is being done.

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A well written article that is relevant to this thread can be found at:

http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/quinn/2010/0119.html

It’s titled,”Feed the Rich, Buries the Poor” and was written by James Quinn.

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An educated populace - one that can read & write and think critically, is one that will not yield to the shackles of tyranny.

 

It only takes one generation (30-35) years of brainwashing in a State-run education system, to exert enough control over the population to secure tyrannical rule for years to come.

That is the double bind.

Here are a few pieces of information I've been sharing with others to help them wake up to the facts:

The Six-Lesson Schoolteacher
by John Taylor Gatto, New York State Teacher of the Year, 1991

quoted from the The fouth lesson:
This is another way I teach the lesson of dependency. Good people wait for a teacher to tell them what to do. This is the most important lesson of all, that we must wait for other people, better trained than ourselves, to make the meanings of our lives. It is no exaggeration to say that our entire economy depends upon this lesson being learned. Think of what would fall apart if kids weren't trained in the dependency lesson: The social-service businesses could hardly survive, including the fast-growing counseling industry; commercial entertainment of all sorts, along with television, would wither if people remembered how to make their own fun; the food services, restaurants and prepared-food warehouses would shrink if people returned to making their own meals rather than depending on strangers to cook for them. Much of modern law, medicine, and engineering would go too – the clothing business as well – unless a guaranteed supply of helpless people poured out of our schools each year. We've built a way of life that depends on people doing what they are told because they don't know any other way. For God's sake, let's not rock that boat!
The Six-Lesson Schoolteacher
by John Taylor Gatto, New York State Teacher of the Year, 1991

The Six-Lesson Schoolteacher is a must read in its entirety. The SIX main lesson taught in school, have little or nothing to do with an educational curriculum based on learning critical thinking skills.

Next up, Richard Maybury has more FACTS on empire pathology(collectivism) than anyone I know or have researched. Richard Maybury's work illuminates many current issues…he is an Economist known as “The 2500-year old man.”  Based on Richard Maybury's warnings, I want LESS government.

From Richard Maybury's website under Who is Richard Maybury?:

…Says Mr. Maybury, “Investment trends are caused primarily by economic conditions, and economic conditions are determined, unfortunately, by that horrible scourge called politics. To forecast what our investments will do we must forecast what governments will do. Every investment analysis should begin with a look at the politics behind it.”… “Let me be very clear about this,” says Mr. Maybury. “I'm proud of my viewpoint and do not try to hide it behind a smokescreen of phony objectivity. I believe political power is the most evil thing humans ever discovered. It corrupts the morals and the judgment.”

For investors, he says, “Throughout history, and everywhere in the world, where we see greater exercise of liberty, we see things getting better, and where we see more use of power, we see war, tyranny, economic disruptions and poverty. For investors, it's the granddaddy of all no-brainers. Buy where you see more liberty, and sell where you see more power.”

“Unfortunately,” he warns, “we've all been raised in government-controlled schools, and we've been taught to see political power as our friend, a protector. In fact, power is poisoning our civilization and surreptitiously leading us into wars throughout the region where it is worshiped - Chaostan.”
source: Richard Maybury's website under Who is Richard Maybury?
(note: bold emphasis and underlining added to quotes)

 

This one line speaks volumes from Our Slow-Motion Crisis posted Saturday, November 21, 2009, 2:29 pm, by cmartenson :
Do we need 150,000 pages of rules and taxes to administer ourselves?

Many thanks to Chris Martenson and this forum.

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darbikrash wrote:

As I have a young child now entering school, I would like to better understand what to look out for and what is being done.

Darbi, littleone already mentioned John Taylor Gatto - anything by him will help you understand the problems you'll encounter. 

If at all possible in your situation, I would recommend homeschooling. The difference isn't so much what you can teach your own child vs what they get in schools, as much as avoiding the mindset they get at school: that there is an authority for everything and I'm not it (nor are my parents,) that there is a certain way/time to do everything and anything outside of that is "wrong" (creating a populace that looks to see what everyone else is doing before they act,) that the purpose of education is not to learn, but just to get to the next step ... pass a test, pass a class, graduate high school, get to college, get a degree, get a job, get a promotion ... we are basically trained into the rat race from kindergarten when we are promised the wonders of first grade if we only learn how to cut on the dotted line.

Education: the fourth E, because that is how they keep us from understanding the other 3.

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Darbi, littleone already mentioned John Taylor Gatto - anything by him will help you understand the problems you'll encounter. 

If at all possible in your situation, I would recommend homeschooling. The difference isn't so much what you can teach your own child vs what they get in schools, as much as avoiding the mindset they get at school: that there is an authority for everything and I'm not it (nor are my parents,) that there is a certain way/time to do everything and anything outside of that is "wrong" (creating a populace that looks to see what everyone else is doing before they act,) that the purpose of education is not to learn, but just to get to the next step ... pass a test, pass a class, graduate high school, get to college, get a degree, get a job, get a promotion ... we are basically trained into the rat race from kindergarten when we are promised the wonders of first grade if we only learn how to cut on the dotted line.

Education: the fourth E, because that is how they keep us from understanding the other 3.

saffron, that is a nice, strong summation, as far as I am concerned.

Don't forget - after promotion comes move up the ladder, contribute to some sort of government defined "retirement" plan, retire at 65 and then you have arrived.  Work your whole life as a debt serf for the promise of a few "golden years".

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Littleone:

I enjoyred reading that post.

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Thanks docmims.

Also, the quote below really stands out from the editorial Set recommended.
  
Feeds the Rich, Buries the Poor (Financial Sense Editorial)
by James Quinn
January 19, 2010
 
quoted(right before the first graph…all of the graphs are informative):

The cost for the War on Terror thus far has been $2.3 TRILLION. There are trillions more to be wasted because you can never win a war on terror. Who benefits from a never ending war on terror? Every dime of the $2.3 trillion has been borrowed. The beneficiaries of debt are bankers, as they reap billions in profits and pay themselves millions in bonuses. The money that is loaned to the government is then paid to the companies that constitute the military industrial complex. These companies then buy the support of Congress for their new and improved killing machines. This is the circle of death encompassing Washington DC.

 

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Docmims,

John Taylor Gatto explained a great deal to me. So much so I placed a link to his work in my signature and have carried it around with me for almost a year so that every post I make there is a chance that someone will be curious to click it, read him and become an equal fan ...

Littleone,

My hat is tipped to you. Welcome to the forum ...

Best,

Paul

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darbikrash wrote:
Farmer Brown wrote:

In the U.S., the government has succeeded in dumbing down enough of the populace through public education, that we wind up with the kinds of problems and politicians we have today and have had for 30 years.  Statists have succesfully invaded K-12 public education, and through the power of their influence via State-subsidized secondary education, have also succeeded in infiltrating higher education. 

I’ve heard this comment regarding statist infiltration of K-12 schools before, and I wonder if I might ask as to some specifics as to how, and exactly what this means. As I have a young child now entering school, I would like to better understand what to look out for and what is being done.

darbikrash

Since I'm one of the ones who regularly brings this up, I'll try to help out here if I can. I wholeheartedly endorse littleone's (and Saffron's) (edit- and Paul's!) recommendation of John Taylor Gatto. http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/aboutus/john.htm Gatto speaks from 26 years of experience, which includes three New York City shoolteacher of the year awards, as well as New York State schoolteacher of the year. I've actually read two of his books, and found them to be quite convincing - at least, they sure did a good job of describing what my own experience had been like! Besides "the Six Lesson Shoolteacher" already posted by littleone, here's another article from Harpers you might find interesting. http://www.spinninglobe.net/againstschool.htm

As you're probably aware, from some of our exchanges, like most people on this site, I'm not a huge fan of our banking and monetary system. And to me, consistent with Gatto's contention that schooling is designed to produce compliant worker bees and good consumers, a good question might be; why are we not taught how the monetary system works? It's certainly not because it's difficult. As John Kenneth Galbraith famously observed, "the process by which banks create money is so simple it repels the mind." Perhaps the decision not to educate the public is best explained by Henry Ford. "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

Even the Pledge of Allegiance which we are taught to regard as a symbol of patriotism has ominous roots in statism. It's author, Francis Bellamy was a firm believer in national socialism who thought that public schools should be used to promote blind obedience to the state. Jacob G. Hornberger argues, "To more accurately reflect reality, perhaps the Pledge of Allegiance should be amended, as follows: “I pledge allegiance to the government of the United States and to its socialism, militarism, and imperialism, one system over God, indivisible by force, with liberty through paternalism and justice through tribunal.” That might be a bit much, but I basically agree!

Ironically (or perhaps not), the original "Bellamy Salute" to the flag, diligently practiced by American school students until 1942, was actually the origin of the notorious straight-arm salute later adopted by Mussolini's fascist party, and Hitler's National Socialist German Worker's Party (Nazis). Quite understandably, during WWII, FDR replaced it with the now familiar hand-over-heart gesture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute

Home schooling may not be practical or even possible for everyone. Private schools may be another option, but obviously many children do just fine with public schooling (although just as obviously, many do not!), especially with a good support system at home, but I would certainly think it very helpful to have an understanding of what the deficiencies are likely to be, and what you can do to hopefully offset them.

Best

Greg 

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Greg, thanks for the link to Gatto’s writings, I found this more illuminating than the “Six Steps” often quoted. And I do agree that the absence of training in financial matters, and especially truth of same is a serious issue. In my tenure in high school, it was not required that you even know how to balance a checkbook, much less comprehend fractional reserve banking.

As I doubt that I am alone on that experience, it is no wonder this sham has been allowed to fester.

As the comments on statism, I was hoping to see some more concrete linkages, or at least time relevant linkages connecting the dots so to speak between classroom ideology and political ideology. My personal theory is that attempts to connect these together leans uncomfortably towards conspiracy theory at a minimum, or perhaps even towards an obsolete mode of thinking at the extreme.

One framework that I believe obvious, and deserving of more emphasis is the distinction between training and education. The difference here cannot be overstated, one has to initially ask, what is the objective, training for a vocation, or education in the more abstract sense. The words are not interchangeable. I would argue that our public school system, and for the most part much of our secondary schooling system is in fact training and not education. I much appreciated Gatto’s mention of the principles of an economic or business model being applied to the school system, this is correct, I just wish he had gone farther.

Fully extended, the metaphor might look like this: the schools are the “factories”, the students the “product” – who then the customers? Indeed, who are the “customers”? As this transaction, directly or indirectly, public or private, involves the exchange of money it is in my opinion perfectly relevant to call this a business, and as we all know, a “business” in a free market system (ha!) looks to it’s customers to define and validate it’s product offerings.

Indeed!

So who are the customers? Counterintuitively, it is not the parents (or students) paying tuition, but the ultimate recipients of the “products” which is to say the corporations. “Training” squandered on philosophy or critical thinking of any type is not productive in the crucible of exchanging labor for commerce. In fact, such extravagances are a liability in such an environment, and must be segregated out from the work force to increase profits (less distractions) and focus on productivity. These intellectual traits are a distinct disadvantage to the exchange of labor for commerce. Although some may argue that critical thinking achieved through education boosts entrepreneurial endeavor, and is therefore productive in a higher gain field, you can also argue that the percentages of such individuals are sufficiently small that it would not make sense to bias education to this potential group, especially since these types are likely to emerge with these traits from not only the drudgery of the public school system, but from significant adversity as well. (Perhaps because of this adversity)

I do think in previous eras it was relevant and perhaps even accurate to question the states’ motivation in such environments, but I believe these point to point connections are now largely obsolete. The confusion in my view is because we see a convergence of goals and objectives between big government and big business in the subject of training, so it can become difficult to see who the instigators and primary beneficiaries are. The ascendancy of large corporations in the years following WWI has changed the playing field irreparably. Big business wants very much a large, highly trained class of worker bees, as well as prolific consumers as already mentioned by others. Government has a lower order need set, they are just content to keep large masses of people from initiating any type of collectivism or common goal sharing that may jeopardize their monopoly. It is much easier to allow big business to do their bidding, as corporations already engage in on campus canvassing, and various “boots on the ground” strategies to attract and retain suitable “products”. As the constitution of these “products” is already preordained and vetted to contain non threatening skill sets, if you are a government why bother to conscript or try and influence the curriculum in any fashion? It’s already been done for you. 

This is no conspiracy, these are just the natural tendencies of two very powerful forces converging on a common set of goals and belief systems to better represent their individual interests.

So I guess I have learned much in this thread, but my question (perhaps poorly framed) as to what can be done (and not necessarily who is doing it) remains open. And in light of last week’s Supreme Court ruling for “free speech” for corporations in the form of now unlimited political spending it seems very clear to me how this subtle shift from government to corporations is unfolding before us.

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Even the Pledge of Allegiance which we are taught to regard as a symbol of patriotism has ominous roots in statism. It's author, Francis Bellamy was a firm believer in national socialism who thought that public schools should be used to promote blind obedience to the state. Jacob G. Hornberger argues, "To more accurately reflect reality, perhaps the Pledge of Allegiance should be amended, as follows: “I pledge allegiance to the government of the United States and to its socialism, militarism, and imperialism, one system over God, indivisible by force, with liberty through paternalism and justice through tribunal.” That might be a bit much, but I basically agree!

 

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