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Free speech under attack

During the past week two prominent people have been censored by the mainstream media.  This alone is bad enough but other things are brewing. 

  • "Emergency Internet control bill gets a rewrite"  Sen. Jay Rockefeller alarmed technology and telecommunications firms last year when he announced a plan for the president to seize "emergency" control of the Internet.  Now the West Virginia Democrat is trying again with a new version that aides hope will be seen as less extreme.It says that after the president chooses to "declare a cybersecurity emergency," he can activate a "response and restoration plan" involving networks owned and operated by the private sector. In an attempt to limit criticism, instead of spelling out the plan's details, the latest draft simply says that it must be developed by the White House in advance.
  • "Pentagon Sees a Threat From Online Muckrakers"  To the list of the enemies threatening the security of the United States, the Pentagon has added WikiLeaks.org, a tiny online source of information and documents that governments and corporations around the world would prefer to keep secret.“It did not point to anything that has actually happened as a result of the release,” Mr. Assange said. “It contains the analyst’s best guesses as to how the information could be used to harm the Army but no concrete examples of any real harm being done.”
  • "Shameful Anti-Free Speech Lobby Labels Questioning Government “Hate”  Zionist propaganda lobby group The Simon Wiesenthal Center has issued a report which smears people who question government as racists and terrorists, labeling conspiracy theories “hate” in the latest crusade against free speech on the Internet.

Last week, Ariana Huffington asked Jesse Ventura to write another article for the Huffington Post.  Ventura wrote about 9/11 and within an hour of posting the article, it was removed.  The government is becoming very concerned as the "truth" movement has matured and is now using strategy.  In the past, it was easy to dismiss the allegations as crazy conspiracy theories.  Now, the core move distances itself from presenting theories and has instead gone after the "crazy" government conspiracy theory - with science and professional architects, engineers, pilots and emergency responders.  Ex-Governor Ventura asks "what are they afraid of" and he quotes Thomas Jefferson in saying "Dissent is the greatest form of patriotism."   

Human Events has “edited” a column written by noted historian, top tier columnist, past presidential candidate Pat Buchanan.  You can read the edited version here and the full version may be read at Pat's website here.  The article is entitled "The Poodle Gets Kicked" is critical of Joe Biden groveling at the feet of Israel and then being kicked.  Buchanan offers historical facts in reviewing our relationship with Israel over the years.  This is all very relevant as it appears that the U.S. is ramping up the needed resources to hit Iran with a devastating surprise attack that could lead to WW-3.

Freedom is the most basic thing worth fighting for and we are losing it chunk by chunk.  Why do we care about what is happening in other nations when our freedoms are under siege at home? 

Larry

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Re: Free speech under attack

Thanks for  your post, Larry.   Keep them coming.  An understanding of the three Es is incomplete without an understanding of the widespread corruption in government, in the financial world and at all levels of society.

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I am going on a positivity campaign here.  I'm tired of everything being taken as an assult on our liberties.  Its an extension of everyone getting so politically correct it kills any rational thought.

Of course our leaders should look into emergency actions to secure our internet in the event of an emergency.  Its critical to our lives, like energy, banking, highways...etc.  Its become too big to not have some security plans in place.  To not have this would be a huge violation of our trust - - we count on our government to protect our homeland - - -therefore, they would not be doing their duty to not secure all areas in which have become critical to our way of life!

The Government is also keeping lists of people for every reason.  We the people gave them so much crap for not tracking every terrorist group that now they feel obligated to track everyone.  Being on a "high risk" list means nothing to them or us.  Have you been to the airport recently?  Guess what, we are still at threat level Orange!!  5 straight years or more of orange and you know what - its clear that the govt agencies are sick of getting slammed for missing something or letting their guard down - and so their guard goes way up.  The issue is, they keep it up indefinitely by calling everyone high risk and every threat orange forever and ever because the masses are pissed they miss things.

I think its likely CM and this site and everyone on it are on some list!  And you know what?  I think its totally reasonable we are on a "higher than average threat list" based on the comments I read every day.

Peak resources...ya, got it an agree.  Debt issue and unsustainable economy...ya, got it, agree.  But lets stay positively focused - like Chris does so well at - and stop the nwo conspiracies!

Ok. my last two posts should about have me fully blackballed from this site!  haha!  now, crusify me CM community!  take me down!

 

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rickets wrote:

I think its likely CM and this site and everyone on it are on some list!  And you know what?  I think its totally reasonable we are on a "higher than average threat list" based on the comments I read every day.

You clearly have no concept of freedom or liberty.  If you are interested in learning you can try the link in my sig.

Does anyone else wonder if someday he will enjoy extra "Patriot" food rations for turning in enemies of the state?  Maybe Wesley Mouch can even find him a job with his administration.

rickets wrote:

Ok. my last two posts should about have me fully blackballed from this site!  haha!  now, crusify me CM community!  take me down!

I wish it were so simple but my guess is this site will allow much greater freedom of speech than our government soon will.

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Why?  You've done it to yourself.  Goodluck!

rickets wrote:

 

Ok. my last two posts should about have me fully blackballed from this site!  haha!  now, crusify me CM community!  take me down

 

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DrKrbyLuv wrote:

Last week, Ariana Huffington asked Jesse Ventura to write another article for the Huffington Post.  Ventura wrote about 9/11 and within an hour of posting the article, it was removed. 

Larry,

Thanks for your excellent posts, as always.  Any idea who took it down and how?  Also, anyplace else on the web one can find this article?  Do you have a title for the article?  Thanks for any help.

 

Rickets,

I'm glad you're taking the positivity slant.  I'll join you.  I'm positive your apologist position is misplaced.;-)

 

LR,

I'll second that.

 

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ao wrote:

Also, anyplace else on the web one can find this article?

Hello ao.  The original article Huffington article was removed and replaced with:  "Editor's Note: The Huffington Post's editorial policy, laid out in our blogger guidelines, prohibits the promotion and promulgation of conspiracy theories -- including those about 9/11. As such, we have removed this post."  - link here

The actual text of the article may be found at this link

rickets - I don't mean to pile-on but I suggest that you look at it from a Constitutional perspective.  "Inalienable Rights" cannot be taken by government, a majority or whims of politicians - they don't have that authority. 

Two relevant quotes:

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."  -- Patrick Henry

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority.  It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions.  There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern.  They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."  -- Daniel Webster

Larry

P.S. - goes211 signature line http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf is well worth a look

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rickets wrote:

Ok. my last two posts should about have me fully blackballed from this site!  haha!  now, crusify me CM community!  take me down!

rickets

I often find your well informed and well thought out financial posts to be very helpful and enlightening (I'm starting out prejudiced in your favor!), but I think Goes211 is exactly right - you clearly have no concept of liberty. Do you really believe it's irrational to think that the horrendous events of 9/11 have been exploited, to justify, not only two disastrous  foreign wars of aggression, but also to increase state control over the citizenry? Here's a quote from Madison, you may be familiar with, that for me says it all:  "It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad." I'm all for positivity, but if you don't think that's exactly what's happening here, maybe you need to take off your rose colored glasses.

I recently responded (although it now needs editing) to a popular chain e-mail I received, it turns out, incorrectly attributed to a Polish holocaust survivor named Dr. Emanuel Tanay, imploring all of us to stand up to the dangers of radical Islam. (Here's the actual original source http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/6996 ) Please forgive the excessive length of my response, but I think it's quite apropos to the discussion - and as you can see, was a major effort!

e-mail wrote:

Friends,

It would be a grave error to underestimate the dangers of radical Islam. And certainly there is much wisdom in Dr. Tanay's  understanding of it, as well as his very instructive historical perspective. I whole heartedly agree, the peaceful majority needs to speak up before it's too late. But here, in America, I believe the message that needs to be heard is dramatically different from the one being conveyed in this e-mail. In fact, I believe America faces a far greater threat than radical Islam. And that threat comes from within - as it always does.

For Islamic countries, and perhaps even for some European countries whose immigration trends may eventually create demographic issues, the lessons of Dr. Tanay's examples should be clear. But for Americans, the lesson should be VERY different. Here's why. Indisputably, in every historical case Dr Tanay sites, the true threat clearly came from within - NEVER from an infiltration, NEVER from a foreign enemy. Hitler's Nazis (The National Socialist Workers' Party) were not some fringe group of fanatics, ignored, or underestimated, nor were they foreign invaders or infiltrators. They were a mainstream political party who gradually came to power, legally. And just as our own government has been doing since 9/11, they very effectively used fear mongering to consolidate their power and increase their control, methodically usurping the people's liberties in exchange for "security." Their 9/11 event was the shocking 1933 burning of the Reichstag (the National Congress) which was immediately blamed on the 'Communists,' (the infiltrators) and hailed as the beginning of a dangerous 'Communist revolution.' Two weeks later a frightened congress voted 441 to 84 for what is now known as the "Enabling Act," "temporarily" suspending the constitution, and "temporarily" granting Hitler dictatorial powers. We all know what happened next.

But for the great majority of Germans - those who weren't communists, or accused of being communists or other enemies of the state - life seemed completely normal, and they were grateful that the government was keeping them safe, or so they thought. But what was really happening is perhaps best described by Neimoller's famous poem; "First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me - and there was  no one left to speak out for me." Please consider the wisdom of James Madison, one of the principal architects of the Constitution, who warned us that "the abridgement of freedom of the people" would be more likely to come "by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations," and who also warned, "if tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." Radical Islam IS a very real threat. I don't dispute that. But it pales by comparison to the systematic dismantling of the Constitution, now taking place in our own country, in the name of protecting us from danger.

Please take a look at what it looks like:  

 the 2nd ammendment desecrated

or:

 the 1st ammendment trampled (the right of the people to peaceably assemble)

I personally find both these videos to be sickening. But the worst assaults on the constituion cannot easily be documented with a video camera, because they never see the light of day. Sadly, many Americans think the 'Patriot Act," with it's eerie similarities to Hitler's 'Enabling Act' is helping to keep them safe, and so they willingly tolerate the NSA's wholesale dragnetting of the e-mails and phone calls of American citizens, they accept extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention, the suspension of habeas corpus, torture, and now even the targeted assasination of American citizens http://rawstory.com/2010/02/kill-americans/ - as a small price to pay for safety. Yet the Fort Hood shooter was allowed to wreak his carnage, despite being well known to the intelligence community, and the Christmas Bomber was allowed to board a plane to Detroit, even after his own father warned the CIA about him. And we now know, even 9/11 itself  involved  monumental intelligence failures, none of which would have been avoided by implementation of the Patriot act. Yet all of these failures are being, or will be used as an excuse to take away more of our liberties. (Please watch, and cringe, as the President of the United States tries to explain his refusal to appear before the 9/11 commission, except in the presence of the Vice-President, and to justify his inexplicable unwillingness to testify, publicly, and under oath about what he knew. 

 )

Most Americans willing to trade the constitutional protections of privacy for percieved safety say the same thing. "It's fine with me, because I have nothing to hide, I'm not doing anything wrong."  But I would ask - what did Martin Luther King Jr. have to hide? Exactly what was he doing "wrong," that J. Edgar Hoover saw fit to tap his phones and bug his hotel rooms, everywhere he went, for years? What was John Lennon doing "wrong," that inspired the FBI to keep a 300 page dossier on him? The overwhelmingly salient point is that it doesn't matter what you and I think is "wrong," it matters what the government thinks. And already, there's evidence their definition may be evolving in ominous ways. Last year, the Missouri State Police were instructed to consider anti-government groups, single issue groups, like opponents of gun control or the Federal Reserve, and even people with 'Ron Paul' bumper stickers as potential domestic terror threats. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/03/missouri_police_given_chilling.html And apparently, Homeland Security agreed. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94803 No, we're not quite there yet, but unless the "cowed and extraneous," "peaceful majority" begins to speak up, it's easy to see how we could be. 

So to those who fear radical Islam, I would say yes, the dangers are very real, especially in other parts of the world, but I believe, if we are not careful, the far greater danger is that we could allow ourselves to fall into our own tyranny, right here at home. Of course, let's defend our borders, and protect our ports. Let's be vigilant. But we must also answer to the very real threat of tyranny, that comes from within. Please do not dishonor all the brave men and women who gave their lives to make this country great - those who fought to gain the very freedom we would now so cheaply give away. Speak up. What's worth fighting to defend, if not freedom?

Peace

Greg

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Re: Free speech under attack

Psyops are everywhere. I could write just about all the comments here and sign them with the correct author. Soon this thread and the one of LR'S about the cop stop will be in the basement because it will be flagged for being a conspiracy theory.

Well as Mr. Ruppert says  " I deal in conspiracy facts." The only founding father to recognize this country as it stands today is A Hamilton, and he would be throwing a damn big party. This site isn't about negativity it is primarily about desperate attempts to maintain  life as usual or growing radishes.

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