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Did we just discover sex?

Now that I have your attention … Yes, I have something serious to say, and yes, it does involve sex.

The grey hairs among us will remember as kids when sex was not pervasive and in your face in popular culture.  But somewhere along the line you learned about the big secret – sex.  You probably thought, “That’s disgusting!  My mom and dad would never do that!”  This new knowledge was profound and scary.  It shook your view of the world.  You questioned your ability to understand how the world really works, and wondered what other important things you didn’t know.  You could now see the hidden messages in movies and TV, and understand those cryptic remarks and looks adults sometimes used.  You realized it had been there all along, but you just didn’t see it.  You had been blind to an essential element of the world.

“Waking up” to the 3Es is like discovering sex.  We are shocked, scared, compulsively try to learn all we can, and wonder how we will cope when our time comes.  Our first impulse is to run out and tell everybody about this big new revelation.  We sit up nights and brood about it, and wonder how it will change our future.  We keep thinking about it off and on during the day, because it changes everything.  Over time we gradually get used to the idea, and slowly come to terms with it.

The following remarks are a perspective, not a put-down.

The war for control of our economy is not new.  This quote is over 100 years old.

President Theodore Roosevelt wrote:

Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.  To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today.

Our post World War II affluence sheltered us from the hardships of past generations and allowed us to enjoy a prolonged adolescence.  Now our culture has become too big and complex to sustain.  We have overshot our carrying capacity.  But many societies have faced these issues before.  The big difference is simply scale, because it is now a global problem.

The competitive struggle for resources is nothing new.  It is an ugly process, but history clearly shows it has always been this way.  As members of wealthy nations we’ve just been insulated from this harsh reality.  As we consider the probability of our systems eroding, we are thrown back to the age old problems of building a viable community.  How do we make a living?  Who shares our values?  Who can we trust in peril?  How do we maintain social cohesion in times of strife?  How do we protect ourselves?  How can we govern ourselves with justice?  Humans has struggled with these issues as long as we have been around.  It’s too bad they will probably become much more intense.    In short, we must become grown-ups.

As we apply our new knowledge, I think that compared to sex, we will find this a lot less enjoyable.  But then, what isn’t?  Wink

Discussion and contrary views are welcome.

Travlin 

 

 

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We must cast off the shackles of government. We should bind it by a set of rules. Oh, wait, we already tried that!

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Travlin wrote:

The war for control of our economy is not new.  This quote is over 100 years old.

President Theodore Roosevelt wrote:

Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.  To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today.

Travlin 

 

 

This topic lingers with me (no, not sex; the idea of a shadow elite government) and I approach it with a hesitancy attributable to the forum guidelines that prohibit it. Hopefully the mods will grant some leeway given that several presidents including T.R. above, testify to it.

When pondering the possible existance of "the ostensible government" I am reminded of a scene in one of the Star Wars movies (I've got three Star Wars addicted little boys---what can I say) where a young Obiwankenobe is looking for a rumored planet, Kamino, that is not shown on any celestial maps or charts. But the void at it's purported location exhibits evidence of a gravitational pull that indicates that something is there. Yoda, with the help of a very young Padawan, concludes the logical conclusion that the planet is, in fact, there because that is what the evidence indicates.

We see no shadow government, it's officials, it's decrees etc., but the void exhibits a  'gravitation pull' that is difficult to dismiss no matter how hard I try. Pondering the current state of world affairs and following all the disparate leads .... nothing makes sense to me of how we got here, until I consider that missing puzzle piece. I'm highly skeptical of conspiracy theories but..........I'm just sayin'..... what?  Idunno.......

Oh, wait a minute; we're supposed to be talkin' about sex. A traveling salesman comes upon a farmhouse........stop me if you heard this one......

 

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We see no shadow government, it's officials, it's decrees etc., but the void exhibits a  'gravitation pull' that is difficult to dismiss no matter how hard I try. Pondering the current state of world affairs and following all the disparate leads .... nothing makes sense to me of how we got here, until I consider that missing puzzle piece. I'm highly skeptical of conspiracy theories but..........I'm just sayin'..... what?  Idunno.......

I saved the newspaper the day the front page headline was (paraphrasing here) "Bush Administration sets up Shadow Government," because I knew this was some serious shitnanigans (am I allowed to say that here?).It's in a file or storage box around here somewhere.

It was set up just after 9-11, while Cheney was in his "undisclosed location." The Shadow Government was obstensibly designed to serve as backup in case the Bush administration were somehow compromised/attacked by terrorists or zombies/too drunk at a Bohemian Grove gathering to care/otherwise incapacitated and unable to perform their dictatorship, erm, I mean administrative duties of systematically destroying the country. The shadow government (also in an undisclosed location) would then, presumably, resume the slow implosion of the country. Business as usual.

Wait... that didn't come out right. My brain was thinking in politically correct terms but my darned fingers typed what I REALLY wanted to say.

Oh, sex -- right. So, when my friend who is unemployed as is her spouse called me a couple of weeks ago, holding her 7 month old baby, to tell me she was pregnant again, my kind-hearted reply to her was, "They know what causes that now, you know." *awkward silence* Me: "Do you need me to explain it to you?" Her: "No. We get it." Me: "Really? Cuz I don't think you do." Her: "Yeah. We weren't thinking." Me: "There ya go; good answer." I then suggested a local low-cost spay/neutering program at the Humane Society that she may want to consider after baby #2 arrives. And amazingly we are still friends. Innocent

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earthwise wrote:
Travlin wrote:

The war for control of our economy is not new.  This quote is over 100 years old.

President Theodore Roosevelt wrote:

Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.  To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today.

Travlin 

This topic lingers with me (no, not sex; the idea of a shadow elite government) and I approach it with a hesitancy attributable to the forum guidelines that prohibit it. Hopefully the mods will grant some leeway given that several presidents including T.R. above, testify to it.

We see no shadow government, it's officials, it's decrees etc., but the void exhibits a  'gravitation pull' that is difficult to dismiss no matter how hard I try. Pondering the current state of world affairs and following all the disparate leads .... nothing makes sense to me of how we got here, until I consider that missing puzzle piece. I'm highly skeptical of conspiracy theories but..........I'm just sayin'..... what?  Idunno.......

Hi Earthwise

Thanks for your reply.  I appreciate your desire to be a good forum member, but I think your concerns are misplaced.  According to the guidelines the two following items must be in the Controversial Topics forum.

  • Global conspiracy theories
  • New world order conspiracy theories

However, the topic at hand is the struggle for influence over the US Government.  The efforts of Wall Street, big pharma, the health care industry, and oil companies are widely reported and accepted.  Chris has illustrated many times the inordinate control of government policy by big players behind the scenes, so I think we are well within bounds to discuss this more if you’d like.

The US fought this battle before from about 1900 to 1914 and enacted federal anti-trust laws that helped curb abuses.  Since the 1980s these laws have been largely gutted as business became more powerful and sophisticated at manipulating government, the media, and the public. 

This theme has been crucial to my understanding of what is really happening to our country.  As you say, “… nothing makes sense to me …” without this piece of the puzzle.  To me it is well documented by reliable sources so it is far from a conspiracy.  Just to give one example, see this article by Simon Johnson, a professor of economics at MIT who was formerly the chief economist for the International Monetary Fund.

The Quiet Coup  http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/05/the-quiet-coup/7364/

YouTube has many interviews of him.  The ones with Bill Moyers are excellent.  Johnson also has a web site with a link to his recent book 13 Bankers.  http://baselinescenario.com/  There are many other credible sources available.

If anyone wants to discuss this more in this thread that is fine with me.

Travlin

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  Travlin, I find it

 

Travlin,

I find it difficult to envision a shadow government whose sphere of influence stops at the border. American influence certainly doesn't, and therefore any group who excercises undue influence would by necessity be a global entity. TR's quote above describes "an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people". Wouldn't such an entity that had "no allegiance" be rightly considered international, even global? That is the puzzle piece and the "gravitational pull" that I referred to above.

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earthwise wrote:

I find it difficult to envision a shadow government whose sphere of influence stops at the border. American influence certainly doesn't, and therefore any group who exercises undue influence would by necessity be a global entity. TR's quote above describes "an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people". Wouldn't such an entity that had "no allegiance" be rightly considered international, even global? That is the puzzle piece and the "gravitational pull" that I referred to above.

Earthwise

Yes, you are absolutely right, the influence of some is global, and US influence certainly is, so my “domestic” remark was too narrow in focus.  However, I don’t think the moderators will call this a Global Conspiracy Theory, if you are still concerned about that.  I recently started a thread on the effects of global corporations on the US and the world that you may have missed, and they had no objection.  http://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/after-destroying-us-middle-class-how-will-us-corporations-survive/51551  We’ve also had recent threads discussing corporatocracy, and the Davos and Bladensburg (spelling?) conferences where the rich and powerful gather to figure out how to shape the future of the world.

So the question is what are you thinking about this “gravitational pull”  It seems like a critical element to me.  I haven’t studied this much and I’m interested in your thoughts, or anyone else’s.  Or -- There was a young lady from Locke, who was naughty and pulled up her ... Wink

Travlin 

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Some good points are made above. It is true that if you wander back in time you will see that there has always been a struggle between class structures. The ones controlling money and economies and armys. The ones being controlled trying to become controllers. All for the sake of gathering money and power. The elite have always schooled themselves away from the non-elite. This has not changed. They pass their ideas for ruling down to the next generation. Each generation is aided by new technology and their troops who aid them are usually not educated enough to realize what they are doing or like being on the winning team. I hope this does not offend anyone with what I am about to say. But I will pick religion. To me, this is nothing more than social control. I grew up Catholic. So I will use Christianity. The Old Testament is full of what I see as don't  question authority tactics. From Adam and Eve not eating from the tree to Abraham being ordered to sacrifice Isaac. God was at times brutal. Ordering Jews to kill all the Philistines. All the while the Levites were the holders or keepers of the law. They were, I guess you could say, the elite of the day. Eventually they broke into two or three groups. The Sagisees, the Pharisees and the Escenes. One group elite, one group upper middle class and one somewhat working class? Well, they strictly enforced the laws. And the people were poor. The keepers of the law lived well. When Jesus came along was he challenging their authority or merely putting a kinder face to it? And that is just one type of organized religion. The sad part is most Christians, I was one of them, have been duped to believe that justice will be dealt to wrongdoers after their death, whether they die of old age after a life of making other peoples lives miserable or a premature death because they were so horrible that it could not be tolerated. Justice should be seen. It should be immediate. But the people who control things from behind the scenes cannot have true justice being enforced. They may end up being held to it as well. The ones who are really good, we probably don't even know their names. Like the CIA. They are the whipping boys for the media and we say, "Yeah, look at the bad guys". The CIA, just as all other agencies, take their orders from NSA? And who does the NSA answer to? Think tanks, money scientists, socialogical behavior specialists. All for control. Well, I am done for now. Please, if my info is wrong. Let me know. These are my own conclusions from extensive reading. Thanks, Ron

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Travelin--When I first found

Travelin--When I first found out about sex, when I was 7 years old, I considered myself testament to my parent's disgusting actions.  I thought I was surrounded by perverts. My beautiful world,  where conception occurred as the result of alchemical changes brought on simply by deep feelings of love, was changed forever. I felt like I'd been cast out of Eden. At times, I wanted to die. Seriously.

I confided in a therapist many years ago, after making him promise not to laugh. He almost fell off his chair in fits of hysteria. Weird huh? Didn't have built in defenses against reality. I still feel almost tarnished by the experience of being human. I think we are here to understand the horrible beauty, the sublime nature of being alive and to understand the  moral compromise that being trapped in a corporeal body, forces upon us. 

Perhaps if we see our lives and the lives of others this way, it makes it easier to understand the pain and suffering that animates  the worst among us. In that way we are affected but not so afflicted by them. Don't you think?

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When you think about it the whole concept of sex is pretty hilarious.  It's best to just laugh and enjoy it.  The rest of life too, when you can.

Travlin 

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Travlin wrote:

When you think about it the whole concept of sex is pretty hilarious.   

Travlin 

You too? What a relief! I thought I was the only one whose wife laughed hysterically, that is when I can get her to put her cell phone down.

 

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It's best to just laugh and enjoy it.

That's what I told her.  She just mutters  "Enjoy it?  I've been vaccinated slower!"

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Travlin,

Intriguing thread, I love this kind of stuff.  However, personally I have kicked my "preparations" just recently into high gear and I cannot help but risk sounding like a buzzkill...

How does this really affect any of us?  What can we do about it, or how can we use it to our advantage some way?

I am asking in all seriousness, and not with the intention of being critical.

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Agitating Prop

When you think about it the whole concept of sex is pretty hilarious.  It's best to just laugh and enjoy it.  The rest of life too, when you can.

Travlin 

It's the weirdest thing, isn't it? It's a very odd exercise with all kinds of mystical romantic associations. I simply learned about it way too young--wasn't ready for it emotionally.  And yes, all of life contains just enough absurd, ludicrous elements we can laugh if we allow ourselves to.  

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aarondenal wrote:

Travlin,

Intriguing thread, I love this kind of stuff.  However, personally I have kicked my "preparations" just recently into high gear and I cannot help but risk sounding like a buzzkill...

How does this really affect any of us?  What can we do about it, or how can we use it to our advantage some way?

I am asking in all seriousness, and not with the intention of being critical.

Aarondenal

I would like to respond to your request, but I'm not sure I understand just what you are seeking.  I could do a better job if you could be a little more specific about your question, "How does this really affect any of us?"  By "this" do you mean my initial post, or the broader situation, or something else?  I'll be happy to reply when I'm sure I accurately understand the question.

Travlin 

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earthwise wrote:
Travlin wrote:

When you think about it the whole concept of sex is pretty hilarious.   

Travlin 

You too? What a relief! I thought I was the only one whose wife laughed hysterically, that is when I can get her to put her cell phone down.

 

Travlin wrote:

It's best to just laugh and enjoy it.

That's what I told her.  She just mutters  "Enjoy it?  I've been vaccinated slower!"

Earthwise

Your post is a great example of laughing and enjoying it.  Thanks.  Smile

Travlin 

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Travlin wrote:
aarondenal wrote:

Travlin,

Intriguing thread, I love this kind of stuff.  However, personally I have kicked my "preparations" just recently into high gear and I cannot help but risk sounding like a buzzkill...

How does this really affect any of us?  What can we do about it, or how can we use it to our advantage some way?

I am asking in all seriousness, and not with the intention of being critical.

Aarondenal

I would like to respond to your request, but I'm not sure I understand just what you are seeking.  I could do a better job if you could be a little more specific about your question, "How does this really affect any of us?"  By "this" do you mean my initial post, or the broader situation, or something else?  I'll be happy to reply when I'm sure I accurately understand the question.

Travlin 

Well, I don't understand how you cannot simply read my mind.  I think that is a perfectly reasonable expectation... (just kidding, of course)

I guess I just wonder how the awareness of the existence of some "Shadow Government" can apply meaningful action into my life.  There is another poster to this site who has referenced the Illuminati several times and I would have the same question for that poster.  (can you reference other posters/posts by name?)  What could I do with the information?  How can I use it to improve my preparations?

 

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Well, I don't understand how you cannot simply read my mind.  I think that is a perfectly reasonable expectation... (just kidding, of course)

My wife has taught me this is a common genetic defect in men.  Wink

aarondenal wrote:

I guess I just wonder how the awareness of the existence of some "Shadow Government" can apply meaningful action into my life.  There is another poster to this site who has referenced the Illuminati several times and I would have the same question for that poster.  (can you reference other posters/posts by name?)  What could I do with the information?  How can I use it to improve my preparations?

Aarondenal

Now that’s a good question, and I don’t have a good answer. 

As far as the “shadow government” goes, I don’t see a wicked cabal plotting in a secret room to destroy America.  I see the usual process of history were multiple interests compete for influence, and some join forces when their interests coincide.  These players include central banks of multiple nations, and the mega-corporations that have become as powerful as nations.  They have vastly grown in influence and I have slowly come to see them as capturing our government to the detriment of us all.  One result will be that we can’t expect government to do much to slow or reverse the deterioration.  This was pretty well covered in this thread. http://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/after-destroying-us-middle-class-how-will-us-corporations-survive/51551  Several posters made good comments and Xraymike79 is well versed on this subject.  It seems increasingly clear to me that the current effect is that the American middle class is being destroyed as large corporations respond to the competitive demands of global economics.  Our standard of living may drop drastically. 

How can you apply this knowledge?  On the macro level, it helps you understand the meaning behind the events you witness, and gives you a better idea of what to expect and how soon.  As Chris points out, you can make a strong argument that the middle east dictators, who ruled for 20-30 years, are suddenly being overthrown now because food prices shot up to unaffordable levels, and the cost of food commodities can be tied to the US Federal Reserve creating huge amounts of dollars.  The more you understand the big picture the better you can see how this might effect you personally, as in oil immediate shortages and general price increases.

How does this effect your preps?  Can you develop a plan to get to your present job without a car?  As more Americans lose their jobs and medical insurance, fewer will be able afford a hospital.  Yet babies will still be born and the demand for an experienced mid-wife may increase if she has transportation.  It could be a good way to make a living independently.

I wouldn’t get too concerned about the “shadow government” specifically.  It is just one factor in a much larger picture that Chris explains well in the Crash Course.  Just follow his advice on preps, and his updates on events and what to expect.  The trick is to fit that to your personal situation, and only you can do that.  Hope this helps, sort of.

Best of luck.

Travlin 

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