A counter view

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A counter view

granting that x% of the "CrashCourse" is irrefutable and self-evident, does anyone know of any credible critic of any of it? 

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Re: A counter view

That's a great question. Part of the problem is that Crash Course is mostly unknown among the general public. I suspect once awareness of it grows critics will come out of the woodwork.Laughing But that's good. Debate is healthy and these issues should be out in the open getting discussed.  I have a suggestion for everyone here -- if you know anyone who's an expert in economics or energy (in academia or industry) -- ask him or her if s/he'd be willing to critique Chris' presentation and post it on this website.  

 I'd ask Paul Krugman and George Will. But unfortunately I lost their numbers.Wink

 

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Re: A counter view

try [email protected]  or [email protected]   If neither of those work you can call the Times and they will give you the address.

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Re: A counter view

A search of "Martenson Crash Course Review" yields several critiques; I'm not sure how credible though.

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Changing Reality

Since the Crash Course is based on fact (reality), then reality must change for the CC to be refuted. I don't see this as a problem because reality has been changing forever. To me this is the main point of the Crash Course.

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Re: A counter view

If, and granted it is a big IF, petroleum is indeed abiogenic in origin, then the entire "Peak Oil" discussion in the Crash Course would need to be reviewed and obviously MIGHT change some of the conclusions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin

 

"Confessions Of An 'Ex' Peak Oil Believer" at the link below-

http://www.rense.com/general78/expeak.htm

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POTUS wrote:

If, and granted it is a big IF, petroleum is indeed abiogenic in origin, then the entire "Peak Oil" discussion in the Crash Course would need to be reviewed and obviously MIGHT change some of the conclusions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin

 

"Confessions Of An 'Ex' Peak Oil Believer" at the link below-

http://www.rense.com/general78/expeak.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin 

Abiogenic petroleum origin is an alternative hypothesis to the prevailing biological origin theory of petroleum origins. Most popular in Russia and Ukraine between the 1950s and 1980s, the abiogenic hypothesis now has little support amongst contemporary petroleum geologists,
who argue that abiogenic petroleum does not exist in significant
amounts, and that there is no indication that an application of the
hypothesis is or has ever been of commercial value.[1]

The abiogenic hypothesis argues that natural petroleum was formed from deep carbon deposits, perhaps dating to the formation of the Earth; the presence of methane
on Saturn's moon Titan is cited as supporting evidence. Supporters of
the abiogenic hypothesis suggest that there may be a great deal more
petroleum on Earth than commonly thought, and that petroleum may
originate from carbon-bearing fluids which migrate upward from the mantle.

Although the abiogenic hypothesis was accepted by some geologists in the former Soviet Union, most geologists now consider the biogenic formation of petroleum scientifically supported.[1]

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Re: A counter view

The Skeptical Optimist http://www.optimist123.com/optimist/ has alternate viewpoints to many of Chris' points, although he doesn't directly address CC material specifically. I like the site because I believe it is well-researched and written by a competent economist. There is a debt clock on the site, which I really like, and discussions regarding debt, GDP, IOUSA, etc which are thoughtfully laid out.

However, I think Chris' ideas ultimately carry more truth. Still, its good to be familiar with other points of view. I enjoyed a recent article regarding the government printing money, inflation, and hyperinflation... the author (Steve Conover I think is his name) has no faith that the feds will be able to pull printing and sell assets at the point in which deflation starts to move into inflation (that is, he has no faith in the fed's ability in timing) but at least I better understand why the govt is doing what its doing, and what the rationale is in printing vast amounts of paper currency.

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Re: A counter view
SkylightMT wrote:

The Skeptical Optimist http://www.optimist123.com/optimist/ has alternate viewpoints to many of Chris' points, although he doesn't directly address CC material specifically. I like the site because I believe it is well-researched and written by a competent economist. There is a debt clock on the site, which I really like, and discussions regarding debt, GDP, IOUSA, etc which are thoughtfully laid out.

However, I think Chris' ideas ultimately carry more truth. Still, its good to be familiar with other points of view. I enjoyed a recent article regarding the government printing money, inflation, and hyperinflation... the author (Steve Conover I think is his name) has no faith that the feds will be able to pull printing and sell assets at the point in which deflation starts to move into inflation (that is, he has no faith in the fed's ability in timing) but at least I better understand why the govt is doing what its doing, and what the rationale is in printing vast amounts of paper currency.

SkylightMT,

You are doing exactly the right thing. Always look for alternative viewpoints that ultimately allow you to find your own truth. Of course, those viewpoints should be scientifically based so that you are comparing apples to apples.

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