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Damon,

This is some fantastic work!   I am really blown away!  I can't wait to see more episiodes when they come out.  (Still hate the name of "Council on SPE")

Lesson 1 - Revisiting American History, documents the conversion of the US into a monolithic financial empire as the Federal Reserve Act created a monopolized cartel of private interests, "Wall Street," that controls all money in the system. This killed Jeffersonian ideals and allowed vertical Hamiltonian forces to have free reign to consolidate power and wealth. It explains how this is an empire system where the top Wall Street banks are analogous to feudal lords and multi-national corporations are their feudal knights out conquering territories. It rewrites American History books.

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http://www.youtube.com/user/councilonsper#p/a/u/1/l37RhdFGVsM

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thanks goes.  yeah...the name...as an ex sales & marketing guy, uhhhh, what was I thinkin?

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Thanks for the post goes211, these videos are sensational.  strabes breaks new ground in explaining the back breaking "power pyramid" that rules us as slaves.  My "eureka" moment came when strabes put bonds in perspective - all I can say is wow.

I'd prefer to see Austrian economics mentioned along with it's cousin, "neoclassical economics."  The Austrian theory has hi-jacked the libertarian movement in the U.S.  This was by design as Rockefeller brought Mises to the United States and set him up to control elements of resistance.  

I couldn't find www.csper.org (Council on Spiritual, Psychological, and Economic Renewal).  I like the name and I'm very curious as to what it's mission may be.

Larry

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DrKrbyLuv wrote:

I'd prefer to see Austrian economics mentioned along with it's cousin, "neoclassical economics."  The Austrian theory has hi-jacked the libertarian movement in the U.S.  This was by design as Rockefeller brought Mises to the United States and set him up to control elements of resistance.  

Care to explain this some more?  Please leave out the ad hominem "Rockefeller brought Mises to the United States" conspiracy stuff (we can make that into a whole other topic) and explain your actual criticisms of Austrian economics.

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I haven't built csper.org yet.  still deciding whether I want the headache. 

I do plan on doing a video on the different econ theories, but it's down on my priority list.  I wanted to avoid using our various forms of bucketing opinions into ideology camps on these first videos because I wanted to just explain the facts rather than causing people to jump into their ideological bucket. 

Austrian theory is just the exponential production engine.  it was great when we needed development.  but now, do we really want to crank back up that machine, as if even more shopping malls and "stuff" is our answer?  the austrian engine is thriving in tech because it still has a lot of potential, but other industries seem fairly developed in the west.  I'm kinda surprised when CM'ers revert to the old private economy growth vs. government debate (capitalism vs. socialism) like Schiff advocates.  to me that's not relevant since both have been co-opted by the debt-based money and banking system, so the primary issue that needs to be discussed is totally missed when we have that old debate. 

I'm going after neoclassical now because it is the modern religion..."globalization will save the world" is literally what some of them think.  it's where all the academic energy is and I hope to get through to some of the Ivy grads so they at least consider an alternative view. 

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Great work!

Strabes,

I finally got the time to watch videos 2 and 3 and I have to say that I'm very impressed. I really learned from your perspective and look forward to more. Professional job all around.

Thanks for all your efforts.

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Larry, just a quick but I think important point...I don't say slavery.  I was talking with a black friend who works for Morgan Stanley and he totally understands what I'm talking about (in fact that's why he joined the financial world...he wanted to have power instead of being at the bottom like his ancestors) but he said "don't you dare try to equate this with real slavery."  I think that's right.  I used to throw that term around lightly but that minimizes the horror of that system.  I say servitude. 

Thanks Jeff...I appreciate it.

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Larry, just a quick but I think important point...I don't say slavery.  I was talking with a black friend who works for Morgan Stanley and he totally understands what I'm talking about (in fact that's why he joined the financial world...he wanted to have power instead of being at the bottom like his ancestors) but he said "don't you dare try to equate this with real slavery."  I think that's right.  I used to throw that term around lightly but that minimizes the horror of that system.  I say servitude. 

Thanks Jeff...I appreciate it.

Just heard the 2BWS podcast w/Strabes and dug it!  Can't get to the vids right now, but Strabes, man, keep it up -- you're definitely on the right track and your voice needs to be heard.

Viva -- Sager

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goes211 wrote:

Care to explain this some more?  Please leave out the ad hominem "Rockefeller brought Mises to the United States" conspiracy stuff (we can make that into a whole other topic) and explain your actual criticisms of Austrian economics.

This is not a "theory" - it is an historical fact:.

The Life and Works of Ludwig von Mises..."Many readers may be surprised to learn the extent to which the Graduate Institute and then Mises himself in the years immediately after he came to United States were kept afloat financially through generous grants from the Rockefeller Foundation. In fact, for the first years of Mises’s life in the United States, before his appointment as a visiting professor in the Graduate School of Business Administration at New York University (NYU) in 1945, he was almost totally dependent on annual research grants from the Rockefeller Foundation. Even after he finally landed the position at NYU, where he remained only a visiting professor until his retirement in 1969, his salary was paid for not by NYU, but from funds contributed by generous private supporters."

Mises wife, Margit Herzfeld, wrote in her biography of Ludwig Von Mises:

"that he participated in Count Coudenhove-Kalergi’s Pan Europe movement in 1943. He had been brought to the U.S. in 1940 by a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation of $2500 a year to work at the Natl. Bureau of Economic Research, which grant was renewed in 1943."

Eustace Mullins wrote in his book "The World Order, A Study in the Hegemony of Parasitism":

"Hence his [Montagu Norman, Governor of the Bank of England] campaign in favour of completely autonomous central banks, dominating their own financial markets and deriving their power from common agreement among themselves.  They would succeed in taking out of the political realm those problems which are essential for the development and prosperity of the national financial security, distribution of credit, movement of prices.  They would thus prevent internal political struggles from harming the wealth and the economic advancement of nations.

In short, Norman wished to see the imposition of the World Order over the financial affairs of the nations. It was this agreement among the central banks, rather than the front organization, the League of Nations, which became their final instrument of power.  Crucial to these arrangements was the monetarist school, the Austrian School of Economics, an outgrowth of the Pan-Europe movement."

I don't want to take anymore space by pointing out the many flaws of Austrian Economic "Theories" - for more info; see my post "Austrian & Keynesian Theories Vs. Mathematical Facts"  or you may want to read The Austrian Deception, Parts 1,2 &3.

Larry

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Larry,

I will check out your links but what you just did was the textbook definition of an ad hominem attack.  Do you have a similar story for Hayak and Rothbard or some of their modern counterparts like Mish and Prechter or do you believe that showing a key member of a group was supported by a nefarious source is enough to corrupt the message forever?

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Thanks Sager. 

I've been working on a couple new videos for the course, but I decided to stop until I get a good intro posted.  I want to get the hopeful message of Renaissance 2.0 and renewal across before they get into the weeds of my first videos. 

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strabes wrote:  Larry, just a quick but I think important point...I don't say slavery.  I was talking with a black friend who works for Morgan Stanley and he totally understands what I'm talking about (in fact that's why he joined the financial world...he wanted to have power instead of being at the bottom like his ancestors) but he said "don't you dare try to equate this with real slavery."  I think that's right.  I used to throw that term around lightly but that minimizes the horror of that system.  I say servitude.

strabes, I agree that you should use whatever words you are comfortable with and that the words you choose may persuade or turn people away.  Slavery has taken on new meaning in more recent history and you're right in considering the meanings most people will make of your words.  Now, it is most commonly applied to ownership of black people.  In the past there were various types of slavery, for example "chattel slavery" (ownership of people), debt slavery (you own a person's future labor beyond a generation) and even "industrial slavery" which was used in reference to the bank of england.

I think we are living under "debt slavery" as every new born American comes into the world heavily in debt that will compound throughout their lives.  If you add future liabilities and national debt, babies owe over $300,000 as their first act of citizenship.

Anyways, you're doing a fine job, please keep it up!

goes211 wrote:  I will check out your links but what you just did was the textbook definition of an ad hominem attack. Do you have a similar story for Hayak and Rothbard or some of their modern counterparts like Mish and Prechter or do you believe that showing a key member of a group was supported by a nefarious source is enough to corrupt the message forever?

If you think my pointing out that Mises was brought here and funded by Rockefeller is "nefarious" then you totally missed the point or don't understand the significance.  Speaking of "ad hominem" attacks, you chose to attack me rather than defend Mises.  I brought solid information, you have provided nothing to refute the claim. 

Larry

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Hi Damon,

I just thought I'd add my appreciation of the videos, also looking forward to more,

Brendan

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DrKrbyLuv wrote:

If you think my pointing out that Mises was brought here and funded by Rockefeller is "nefarious" then you totally missed the point or don't understand the significance.  Speaking of "ad hominem" attacks, you chose to attack me rather than defend Mises.  I brought solid information, you have provided nothing to refute the claim. 

Larry,

I don't think that I attacked you personally but if I did I am sorry.  I don't have any info to refute your claims about Mises and I assume that they are probably true.  What I don't understand is how they change the message.  Are you claiming that Austrians are really some sort of closet statists?

I read your "Austrian & Keynesian Theories Vs. Mathematical Facts" article on daily paul and also checked out the comments as suggested.  My initial feelings are it is easy to find anonymous users on websites with opinions that are not worth much ( mine opinion may be a case in point ).  It did seem like you and tomozope seemed to act more like trolls than try to convince the masses to your position.

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Great work, Damen!  

What do you think the strategy is  the "owners"  have in dealing with the energy/peak oil problem we are facing?  Do you think the economic collapse has been orchestrated to some extent?

Also, I'm curious to how you think this will play out.

Thanks

Bill

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DrKrbyLuv wrote:

If you think my pointing out that Mises was brought here and funded by Rockefeller is "nefarious" then you totally missed the point or don't understand the significance.  Speaking of "ad hominem" attacks, you chose to attack me rather than defend Mises.  I brought solid information, you have provided nothing to refute the claim. 

Larry,

I don't think that I attacked you personally but if I did I am sorry.  I don't have any info to refute your claims about Mises and I assume that they are probably true.  What I don't understand is how they change the message.  Are you claiming that Austrians are really some sort of closet statists?

I read your "Austrian & Keynesian Theories Vs. Mathematical Facts" article on daily paul and also checked out the comments as suggested.  My initial feelings are it is easy to find anonymous users on websites with opinions that are not worth much ( mine opinion may be a case in point ).  It did seem like you and tomozope seemed to act more like trolls than try to convince the masses to your position.

Larry,

Looking further at the Mises thread I will have to admit that you are right and the majority of commentators are wrong with the discussion around money creation.  You do try an explain the mechanics but I think the masses are finding that explaination so simple, their mind is repelled as mine was at one time.  Even with that being said, I don't know if a group of fanboys commenting on a website equates to the official Austrian position on this matter.  I believe that many/most Austrians are against central banks and fractional reserve lending (considered fraud).  The places that they part company with wealth based money is on the charging of interest and allowing the state total control of the monetary system.

As always I do enjoy your perspective.  Cheers!

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goes211 - I don't care to name call and request you not label me a conspiracy theorist, or one guilty of nefarious ad hominem attacks or a troll.  It gets us nowhere if I respond by calling you a sheep or suggest you have conspiracy phobia.  Let's stick to the issues.  I provided a link in which I specifically criticized Austrian Economic Theories, if you disagree, please be as specific as I have been.

The sad part is that many accept Austrian beliefs even though they make no mention of sovereign credit and what that means.  The best macro economists, in my opinion, are not economists at all, but rather free thinkers who grasp mathematics and sovereign credit.  Not coincidentally, many have been Americans.  For example Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, Henry Carey, Abraham Lincoln, Charles Lindbergh, Andrew Jackson, Mary E. Hobart, Henry Loucks, Benjamin Franklin, David C. Cloud, Theodore Thoren and more recently; Chris Martenson, Byron Dale, Ellen Brown and Henry C.K. Liu.  And, I think strabes is fast joining this distinguished group.

What is/was unique about these people?  Each and everyone understood sovereign credit.  You won't find any mention or explanation of how sovereign credit is directly linked to freedom in the neoclassical, Austrian and Keynesian theories. 

As a graduate of the CC, it amazes me that many people here do not see that the exponential growth of debt is an important fundamental of economics.  But yet, they subscribe to economic theories that totally ignore what we know to be true.

Larry        

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goes211 - ooops, I misunderstood your reference to trolling.  I thought you meant here but in looking back you meant my post at the Daily Paul and maybe at Mises.  You're right that those exchanges often become contentious.  Both of those sites have some heavy hitters that are devout Austrians.  Sorry for my assumption.

Larry

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goes211 - ooops, I misunderstood your reference to trolling.  I thought you meant here but in looking back you meant my post at the Daily Paul and maybe at Mises.  You're right that those exchanges often become contentious.  Both of those sites have some heavy hitters that are devout Austrians.  Sorry for my assumption.

Larry

Larry,

I was definately not accusing you of being a troll around here.  Nor was I accusing you of  being a conspiracy theorist, or one guilty of nefarious ad hominem attacks.  I did think you were attacking Mises through some sort of nefarious personal association instead of what was wrong with Austrian theory but it really does not matter at this point.

I am sorry we got off track because I do think that our disagreements only distract from strabes excellent videos so I will shut up now and PM you later.  I only wish that I could have included direct links to the videos a the start of this thread.  I will try and make up for that shortcoming now.

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Larry & goes, I personally wouldn't be surprised if Rockefellers subsidized Mises not because of some surreptitious plan but simply because they represent the pinnacle of private corporate interests and Austrian theory drives and justifies the private corporate engine.  Like any good corporate lobbying operation, it's a no brainer that they'd be interested in supporting a theory that would help justify breaking down the power of states and shifting power from govt to corporations.

castle, I don't think it's just a random coincidence that the people who setup the environment that led to the hyper-inflated bubbles (Greenspan, Rubin, Summers, Paulson at Goldman, Greenberg at AIG, and others) and the people who ran the government response (Paulson at Treasury, Summers, Geithner, Bernanke and others) and the key people at the firms that benefited most (Chase, Goldman) are all members of the same club, while everyone who spoke out against them but were silenced and ignored were not members (Born, Black, Spitzer...). 

as far as how it will play out, there's always wildcards and unknowns, but looks to me like they're hoping to be able to ramp down the US engine in a controlled fashion, and since exponential growth is actually a control mechanism on the population, now that it's being pulled back they will need a new control mechanism...more authoritarian govt.  long term we're heading to global parity, so the G7 will be heading down while the developing world will ramp up...parity by 2050 maybe?  I think it's a guaranteed bet that if you want to make money, Hong Kong and Singapore will be hard to beat in the 21st century since it will be the Asian century.

 

 

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goes211 - no probs, sorry if I was too quick to be contentious.  I always enjoy and appreciate your skepticism.  Sad to say, but here we are in the information age and we can't trust the information no matter how quick it comes.

Larry

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Strabes,

This is incredibly well done!  I've sent it to my entire contact list (making it a MUST WATCH to them) and have been getting excellent reviews.  I'm hoping it goes "viral" in my group (which many of them are also Princeton Grads).  

Keep it up and if you need help, let me know.  I always have extra funds around for this type of education. 

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LogansRun wrote:

This is incredibly well done!  I've sent it to my entire contact list (making it a MUST WATCH to them) and have been getting excellent reviews.  I'm hoping it goes "viral" in my group (which many of them are also Princeton Grads).  

Ditto.  Keep it up strabes.

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Well done, Strabes!  I watched all 3 of your videos so far in one sitting (so much for the family dinner!) 

I love learning about concepts and ideas to (try to) truly understand how things work and fit together.  -I found that your videos pulled together a lot of low level information, much of which I was already aware of, into a much larger, coherent conceptual framework.  Very enlightening! 

Thanks-you for your efforts, and keep up the good work!

pinecarr

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Thank you, thank you!  I was looking for information and didn't feel completely comfortable with what I was finding.  Renaissance 2.0 and the other videos you've made lifted a weight off my shoulders in that it confirmed what I have been  intuiting for many, many years. 

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American history

Thank you for refreshing my mind about  american history, all the stages about the changes that President Thomas Jefferson did to the goverment he sepatated the political power and the economy growth. The Economy in 1875 was not stable during these years  the banks had no control in tearms of giving people credit and this was not help for the gorverment and people. The crash was the main cause of the Depression and this was not mentioned on the video i am bringing outside information.The goverment and the president was doing very little about the crah  and it started to affect the gorverment it self but it was too late when they notice this and the president said that  rich people should start spending more money and this help the crash come into the deppression.

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thank you, damon, for these videos.  you have answered a lot of important questions for me as to WHY certain things happen that i could never find information on.  i'm sharing the videos with as many as i am able to get the word out.

"share the knowledge, and you share the power, and therefore share the freedom." -taylor allen

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Fabulous!

 Excellent series!  Very clear & provided perfect understanding!  Great!  Sharing 

 

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