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6 months ago or so there was a long thread where people were warning that a goal of the banking/corporate machine that runs our government is to get control of the internet, be able to shut it down, whatever.  Of course the thread split into the typical camps of 1) people who have researched and understand how this machine has driven a successful long-term government agenda throughout the 20th century accomplishing their goals as planned, and 2) those who think #1 are "conspiracy nuts" as they were saying things like "come on...that's crazy to think people want to do that, and anyway it's not possible to control the internet."

So now that we had that debate and people are tired of it, and group #1 is discredited in the major media, the actual legislation continues, portrayed of course in the media as just another benign piece of legislation, no big deal, "evil terrorists" want to invade us electronically so we need this bill. Just note the name of the guy pushing the bill...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html

I was torn posting this.  I'm tired of the ostracism that comes with being in group 1, so I figured "screw it, I'm not going to post this."  But of course getting group 1 to be quiet is how the long-term agenda keeps chugging through Congress.  

You don't have to believe what group 1 says to oppose this bill.  Just ask yourself if you want government to be able to control the internet?  It's all based on a presidential declaration of emergency to protect the homeland...the standard MO of dictators through history.  I hope we the people stand up and tell our congressmen no.

 

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Maybe I'm being paranoid here. I don't have my tinfoil hat on at the moment, but the Chris Martenson site takes an inordinant amount of time to bring up and navigate through. No other website I visit has this problem for me. And we have hi-speed DSL. Any explanations?

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xraymike79 wrote:

Maybe I'm being paranoid here. I don't have my tinfoil hat on at the moment, but the Chris Martenson site takes an inordinant amount of time to bring up and navigate through. No other website I visit has this problem for me. And we have hi-speed DSL. Any explanations?

Mike,

Go to the forum of "site feedback and comments" and you'll see I started a lengthy thread on that issue.  I feel like a heel keeping it going but it is obviously and issue that you should bring up on that thread.  

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Strabes,

I've written my congresspersons over and over on this issue.  Not that it will help but I honestly don't know what to do any longer.  I'm holding a Crash Course tomorrow in my communities club house and plan on bringing this up for people to ponder.  Should be interesting.

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Thanks, strabes, for posting this.  I always appreciate your posts.  Put me down in group #1 although my research is on the more minimal level.  I have another related point.  This site focuses on economic issues, including possible (or probable) collapse due the failure of our currency and related economic issues.  Appropriately the site also includes survivorship issues in case there is a collapse of some sort.  If there is an economic collapse there will be a power vacuum -- or powers waiting in the wings to take over.  I don't see how we can have discussions on the potential for economic collapse if we ignore the power vacuum that will ensue.  Clearly there are many who would prefer that the United States be turned into something besides a constitutional republic.  Potential takeover of the internet is just one subset of this discussion.  I once tried posting a couple of links to start this discussion but they were removed (for whatever reason). 

Bottom line:  I am looking for suggestions for starting a thread on what's next in the way of power or control after the collapse -- dealing with evidence and reasonable inferences as distinguished from wild speculation.   Or is this just impossible? 

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Rockefeller/Snow Internet - Bills 773 & 778

The End of the Internet? Cybersecurity Act gives Obama power to shut down internet, ignore laws

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http://www.savetheinternet.com/

 

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Strabes,

You're obviously just a conspiracy nut!

I'm only joking! I was just reading about this, and popped onto CM to see if there was any commentary here, and there was your post!

This is very concerning. More of the inexorable growth of government, I'm afraid, but all that is all the more reason to resist!

I guess you have to put me down in group #1, at least on this issue.

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hucklejohn, I agree.  There's no question in my mind that the issue of power and control is far more important than the simple economic debate. The economic debate is super critical if viewed in terms of power/control over our financial lives, but not so critical if we just see it as how to profit from the market volatility (though I'm all for profit and figuring out how to make some money--avoid losing money--in this big mess).

Categories of power:

- our money - the key to all the other categories; oligarchs have told us, and got DC to enforce, what we can use for money (the worthless debt they issue us) and if we step out of line we're thrown in prison; we're to the point of speculating on what the oligarchs are going to do for the next monetary system to replace the dollar and if we guess wrong we're going to be destitute; now THAT is power (but yeah let's shoot fireworks and sing about freedom next July 4!)

- our financial lives - purchasing power is stuck in little plastic cards and electronic digits all controlled by banks; what most of us thought was wealth before 08 was really just speculative asset bubbles generated by excessive debt used to fund the speculation; plus DC has the power to swoop in and steal everything from the next generation anyway

- our food - the corporate structure itself means we have very little power except as consumers, plus the Monsanto bill and other attempts to control gardening/farming, plus banks still have all the power because once they withdraw loans farmers can't produce and food-related corporations can't do their job

- our healthcare - WHO/CDC; the big money foundations; again the corporate structure--insurance, pharma; govt regulation and licensing already controls this world, add the new healthcare agenda which would tighten down even further and we have a recipe for complete top-down control ("hmm...you're 65 years old and you've lost control of your rectal sphincter, well, we don't think we can allocate you the necessary surgery to fix that...bye bye")

- our information - the print/tv/radio media is already completely top-down controlled; add this new Rockefeller attempt to lock down the internet, the only media that avoids elite control, and we're left with no democratic media (the only thing we'll have left is verbal chatting with neighbors, and of course in Germany even that was controlled eventually)

- what we say - "hate" speech rules; the polarization created by the left/right split boxes us into what we can say or what most people will be willing to hear; controlled political events where you have to have "credentials" to have a recording device and people who ask real questions are escorted out (or maybe even tasered so we get a good youtube video out of it); increasing intolerance by TSA and law enforcement for what words they consider kosher (yes, vocal cord vibrations are so dangerous and threatening!)

- our housing - the side effect of the financial bubbles is that big financial investors (many of whom are outside the US) now have the superior claim on a significant amount of housing

- our power/heat/water - again the corporate structure...we're just consumers with no leverage if the large control systems do something we don't want; the only escape is self-sufficiency alternatives like wind/solar/etc but zoning/regulation already eliminates that for most people plus I anticipate the govt moving in more deeply to control these things (latest census forms ask all about your farming/power/etc); carbon trading/taxing

- the rest of our day-to-day lives - this is represented by the increasing differential between power in the citizenry vs. power in the monopolized violence arms of the govt (military/police); just yesterday in Seattle I saw a mounted cop's horse leave a huge pile of dung in the middle of a crosswalk and of course the cop left it there for the lowly citizens to drive through and step in, yet 10 minutes later another cop gave a dude a ticket for jay-walking in that crosswalk even though no cars were in sight (this world is becoming insane...the disdain for the citizenry that those in uniform have seems to me to be reaching pathological levels)

So hucklejohn, given all that, we see we're already under incredibly oppressive power/control.  And I think the next level of it that you want to discuss is setup already via the post-9/11 legislation that creates a dictatorship if the president declares emergency, and Homeland/NORTHCOM is ready to roll to enforce it...the evidence is there loud and clear for those willing to see and put the pieces together and compare it to history.  We have discussed this on CM.com as well.  It resulted in a big split in the 2 camps I described at the top of the thread.  So I don't think CM.com is the place to discuss these things in detail...Chris, appropriately so, wants his site to be focused on the 3 E's.  The problem is the other sites that do discuss it are filled with a lot of the extravagant kooks that I'd prefer to avoid.  So I just keep my eye open to reality on my own and make contingency plans based on that.  

 

 

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Hi doc...thanks....good to see you.  :)

 

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Strabes:   Your post #8.....an outstanding quick summary of just how our lives have already been invaded, as well as what's to come in the future.  WIth your permission, and proper credit of course, I'd like to copy it and send it along to some of my friends, especially those who are still pretending that all this collapse talk is just baloney.

Thanks,

Ben

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Thanks, strabes, for your reply to my thoughts.  Your post #8 is a bit overwhelming.  I recognize some are concerned about totalitarianism coming from the right, others from the left.  There is so much out there that is being unreported it's hard to know where to begin.  I see the big banks looting the Treasury as Chris has discussed.  And I also see that many around Obama are using "diversity" and "social justice" and "green energy" as  the means to exercise more and more power over others.  Sunlight is the best disinfectent.  So where is the press?   

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strabes,

Thanks for bringing up this topic.  This has been an ongoing battle and I agree the Rockefeller bill must be stopped, I'll make sure my representatives know what I think.  I just read an interesting article that said economic bloggers are destroying the credibility of the corporate media by providing "honest" news and analysis.

Your group 1 & 2 comments were on the mark.  In my opinion, if you are in group 1, you must be vocal and active.  Group 1, at the core, knows that government and our economy have been usurped.  Once you come to understand this, I think you are obligated to sound the alarm and move to stop it.  Especially now that we are approaching the end game.

I've been an activist for around 5 years (I've been in Group 1 a lot longer) and have participated in many protests through-out the country.  I can tell you that many in Group 2 are beginning to join Group 1 in varying degrees of understanding.  For most, it begins as a sinking feeling, an intuition that something very big is very wrong, they just can't put their finger on exactly what it is, so that starts the journey.

For me, history was and is where I have found the most compelling evidence.  It is all readily available; quotes, hidden agendas, power struggles, real conspiracies, etc.  We also have mathematical evidence that something is very wrong, as discussed in the CC, our monetary system is not sustainable, it will eventually fail as it is now; interest debt chokes off the working economy.

If we know that the system is terminally flawed, rest assured the Fed and government know this too, but yet it is never discussed.  Our private and national debt (not including future liabilities for entitlement programs) is somewhere around $75 trillion (I'd appreciate it if someone could better substantiate the total debt).  According to "Shadow Government Statistics" our M3 is almost $15 trillion.

 

We have $15 trillion to pay $75 trillion in debt...clearly the debt is far greater than the money supply as explained in the CC (debt will always exceed money, so, the money supply must constantly grow, which means debt must constantly grow).

Reasonable people must ask themselves why we would continue a monetary system that can only fail.  And historically, we have seen this same system destroy nation after nation.  This is a giant dead elephant in the room, either the government can neither see nor smell the giant rank carcass or they are paid to look away with their noses pinched tightly closed.

The good news is that the solutions are easy once Group 1 becomes large and loud enough.  We can avoid bankruptcy and fix the economy within a year or two.  When I say fix the economy I mean to eliminate all national debt while allowing the people to benefit from their own money system.  For example, income tax can be eliminated and the government could pay for itself.

Larry

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Ben, feel free to copy.  It's probably worth editing to make it more palatable to "non-believers."  :)

Hucklejohn, it's not that totalitarianism will come from the right OR left.  That's what keeps us from being unified against it.  It's totalitarianism coming from right AND left.  They are 2 sides of the same coin...the coin that keeps us all looking up to DC to run our lives.  They swing the pendulum hard every 4 or 8 years to keep the half of the population that hates the incumbent party thinking that change is coming.  And of course real change never comes...no matter who gets elected the banking/corporate machine still progresses toward its goals, the dollar becomes more worthless, we are put in deeper debt, etc.  In 08, half the population that hated Bush was appeased (and would've revolted otherwise) by putting a marketer of "hope" in office.   Of course this new marketer has the same guys running Fed, treasury, homeland, defense, state, CIA, NSA, etc. The president is irrelevant.  The marketing arm (repub or dem) is irrelevant. What's relevant is the powerful machine that's been built which combines big business and military (generally promoted by the republican marketing arm) with big government (generally promoted by the democrat marketing arm).  It's not imagination, but academic fact to point out that's the definition of fascism...big biz, big mil, big govt working together.  The solution is to stop playing the left/right game in DC.  We need to look local. Look at neighbors.  Start becoming conscious. Recognize our lives don't depend on an elite club of harvard/yale Wall St/DC types.  We need to turn off televisions.  That's what allows major crises to be broadcast into all our heads making us afraid and trusting the elite club to protect us.  That's also what keeps us fighting the left/right setup.  

You ask where is the press?  Again, it's largely controlled by the machine...it's a top-down structure, not bottom-up or democratic.  It's not in the business of sunlight, but rather marketing for the 2 sides. Occasionally you get somebody that sheds some light, like Lou Dobbs surprisingly did when he said "Bush will end the US as we know it" as he pushed the NAU agenda.  But that doesn't matter...it's generally ignored.  

Larry, thanks for the encouragement about groups 1 and 2.  I hope 1 is indeed growing rapidly.  And thanks for pushing the issue of monetary reform.  I listed that first in my post #8 because I agree with you that it all comes back to that...who controls our money, who gets power and wealth from it.  That is the ultimate power...the $ sits at the top of the pyramid that creates the rest of the machine.  If we can change that system, in the right way that benefits the people not the power structure, then the rest of this starts to crumble.  I agree with you we need to eliminate all national debt.  I also want an elimination of private debt.  This is the ancient practice of jubilee.  It's right.  It's just.  It's the only way to "reset."  It's what we should do.  Bankers have fought that practice for thousands of years.  Well they need to learn about justice, rights, community, and have jubilee forced on them again.  

Steve Keen, aussie economist who is getting a bit of a following by developing a model of the economy that's real instead of based on false neoclassical assumptions, is calling for a 50% jubilee.  Let's hope we can get this.  It's the only solution that doesn't start looking real ugly to me. You can follow Steve at www.debtdeflation.com/blogs.

 

 

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Larry said:

"Our private and national debt (not including future liabilities for entitlement programs) is somewhere around $75 trillion (I'd appreciate it if someone could better substantiate the total debt)."

Here is the site for the Institute of Truth & Accounting:  http://www.truthinaccounting.org/ which shows total unfunded liabilities (and counting).

 

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US Debt clock shows everything as well

It is profound, since I read I.O.U.S.A. not too long ago, the numbers in the book are VERY dated. Debt is now parobolic.

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hucklejohn said:

Here is the site for the Institute of Truth & Accounting: http://www.truthinaccounting.org/ which shows total unfunded liabilities (and counting).

Whoa...$54 trillion in unfunded liabilities!  Looks like the extreme rationing of benefits is coming our way.  $71 trillion dollars on the national debt and entitlements alone - we have to add private debt to see how small the money supply (M3) is compared with debt.

Does this mean that inflation is out of the question?  Are we looking at inevitable stagflation?

strabes said:

And thanks for pushing the issue of monetary reform.  I listed that first in my post #8 because I agree with you that it all comes back to that...who controls our money, who gets power and wealth from it.  That is the ultimate power...the $ sits at the top of the pyramid that creates the rest of the machine.  If we can change that system, in the right way that benefits the people not the power structure, then the rest of this starts to crumble.

strabes - yea, I agree with you, the monetary issue should be at the top of priorities.  Great job in saying in a few words what is equivalent to a book of wisdom - "it all comes back to that...who controls our money, who gets power and wealth from it. That is the ultimate power...the $ sits at the top of the pyramid that creates the rest of the machine."

I would add to that that there is no reason for having a national debt or income tax - other than to feed usury.  It assails logic that we pay a private banking cartel to borrow our own money.

Larry

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