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Climate Code Red -
Telling The Truth To Power

By Bill Henderson

26 December, 2008
Countercurrents.org

“I
think we could solve this problem if we would just tell the truth. But
politicians aren’t willing. How do we make them understand how serious
this is?” Jim Hansen

Climate Code Red was the most important
single document published on climate change in 2008. Because climate
change is now understood to be of humanity threatening seriousness and
a crisis that needs emergency action immediately. Climate Code Red has
to be considered as the most important document on any subject
published this year.

But CCR received less than minimal coverage
from all of the TV and newspaper conglomerates that make up the
mainstream media (MSM) and the vast majority of the public - except the
very few who cover climate change closely - have never even heard of it.

2008
was a watershed year: the global economic meltdown and the end of the
sorry Bush years with the election of the hopefully progressive Barrack
Obama. But the serious and immediate danger of runaway climate change
is still not appreciated, the science and policy literature and the
possible planning for massive systemic reconfiguration needed to lower
greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions are still not even on the menu of
mainstream understanding and debate.

It's not just the economy stupid!!!

Climate
Code Red was a paper on the emerging science investigating the
unprecedented and unpredicted rapid melting of the Arctic ice cap and
the policy consequences necessary. It was written by Aussies David
Spratt and Philip Sutton as input to Australia's Garnaut Inquiry on
climate change. First put up on the net in February and now a book, it
is well researched, well written, thought provoking on as important a
subject as exists, and yet it was almost completely ignored by the
mainstream media.

Sutton and Spratt's first chapter description
of the melting Arctic emerging science - especially the work of Dr.
James Hansen and his NASA team - remains the single best public
presentation of this climate change tipping point danger. Their closing
chapters on the need for governments everywhere to initiate
emergency-legislated mobilization for immediate action to reduce
emissions - because political and economic business as usual is too
slow and path dependent to allow for necessary change - has been cited
as Churchillian by those who recognize the sinister danger.

But
the very idea of government with emergency powers leading a systemic
reconfiguration of our socio-economy is heresy and that is why the MSM
refused to even mention CCR. You will find nothing on climate change as
a possible emergency requiring such action in the MSM. Nor will you see
opinion pieces on editorial pages by climate scientists or activists
even postulating this possible danger and possible mitigation
strategies.

Media owners have earned their right to an editorial
voice, but rights carry responsibilities and no media owner should use
this voice to misinform and all are accountable to the community. To
suppress or withhold knowledge about a danger to the community is
wrong. To not lead in informing about the possibility that climate
change is an emergency is irresponsible. To not cover at all the
emerging science and policy literature trying to educate about this
humanity threatening danger could be part of a crime that dwarfs the
Holocaust.

2009 has to be the year we turn the corner on climate
change. It must be the year where we escape business as usual and the
politics of failure to initiate emergency action to not only halt the
rise of GHG emissions but agree to a plan for systemic reconfiguration
of our socio-economies globally in order to get to a post carbon
economy quickly in order to return to below the precautionary 300 ppm
ceiling before the Arctic ice cap is irretrievably gone. Relocalization
instead of globalization; powering down instead of ever increasing use
of energy; the end of the car-sprawl, consumer economy in favor of a
way of quality, meaningful living with a future.

This emergency
action as envisioned in CCR must begin and be led by the United States.
It must be the central goal of the new Obama Administration. Educating
Americans about the reality and seriousness of runaway climate change
must be the focus of all now aware of the tipping point danger: how
this humanity threatening crisis dwarfs the present economic crisis -
how our present consumer dominated economy is a death trap that we must
escape anyway - and how escaping BAU in a wartime-like mobilization is
our only chance to begin the massive reconfiguration of our economy,
locally and globally, that is the only path to a future for humanity
and all those species with which we now share creation.

Who is
going to write (or direct) the American Climate Code Red? Who is going
to tell truth to power and force the MSM to inform the American public
about runaway climate change? How are we going to get the American
people all on the same page about the terrifying prospect of being near
if not over a tipping point to extinction?

Climate Code Red is available in book form and as a pdf at http://www.civicus.org/new/media/climatecodered_1.pdf

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Mike,

As regards the main point:

"Who is
going to write (or direct) the American Climate Code Red? Who is going
to tell truth to power and force the MSM to inform the American public
about runaway climate change? How are we going to get the American
people all on the same page about the terrifying prospect of being near
if not over a tipping point to extinction?"

It seems that individuals on sites like CM and isolated groups who see the problem for what it is are going to do it. I'm getting the CC out to all political leaders in my community and trying to spread the word as fast as possible. Until someone in power or MSM grabs onto it it just won't go bigtime.  Seems that as controversial as it is that it would boost ratings somewhere.

After reading "Jekyll Island" I can't help but think that the real power brokers, (the ones NOT in public office but behind the scenes) are driving the main stream media content. Maybe that is too pessimistic but the only other options I come up with are that as a species we are just too stupid to see or too religious to look.

Coop

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ckessel wrote:

Mike,

As regards the main point:

"Who is
going to write (or direct) the American Climate Code Red? Who is going
to tell truth to power and force the MSM to inform the American public
about runaway climate change? How are we going to get the American
people all on the same page about the terrifying prospect of being near
if not over a tipping point to extinction?"

It seems that individuals on sites like CM and isolated groups who see the problem for what it is are going to do it. I'm getting the CC out to all political leaders in my community and trying to spread the word as fast as possible. Until someone in power or MSM grabs onto it it just won't go bigtime.  Seems that as controversial as it is that it would boost ratings somewhere.

After reading "Jekyll Island" I can't help but think that the real power brokers, (the ones NOT in public office but behind the scenes) are driving the main stream media content. Maybe that is too pessimistic but the only other options I come up with are that as a species we are just too stupid to see or too religious to look.

Coop

Mike/Coop,

Are you forgetting Al Gore and "The Inconvenient Truth"? Global Warming/Climate Change has been all over the media all over the world.

Unfortunately, an even more immediate problem has reared its ugly head. Global Warming/Climate Change is a tomorrow problem - the financial disaster currently taking place world wide is a today problem. Guess which one the media is going to report?

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SamLinder wrote:
ckessel wrote:

Mike,

As regards the main point:

"Who is
going to write (or direct) the American Climate Code Red? Who is going
to tell truth to power and force the MSM to inform the American public
about runaway climate change? How are we going to get the American
people all on the same page about the terrifying prospect of being near
if not over a tipping point to extinction?"

<snip>

Coop

Mike/Coop,

Are you forgetting Al Gore and "The Inconvenient Truth"? Global Warming/Climate Change has been all over the media all over the world.

Sam,

Agreed the subject is out and about. What is not said though is what climate change really means. And I offer that what is said is not the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The MSM offers up some data and wraps it up buy saying the data is inconclusive or simply left wing propaganda or offers some other drivel to kill the message.

Who is going
to tell truth to power and force the MSM to inform the American public
about runaway climate change? How are we going to get the American
people all on the same page about the terrifying prospect of being near
if not over a tipping point to extinction?"

Coop

 

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SamLinder wrote:
ckessel wrote:

Mike,

As regards the main point:

"Who is
going to write (or direct) the American Climate Code Red? Who is going
to tell truth to power and force the MSM to inform the American public
about runaway climate change? How are we going to get the American
people all on the same page about the terrifying prospect of being near
if not over a tipping point to extinction?"

<snip>

Coop

Mike/Coop,

Are you forgetting Al Gore and "The Inconvenient Truth"? Global Warming/Climate Change has been all over the media all over the world.

Sam,

Agreed the subject is out and about. What is not said though is what climate change really means. And I offer that what is said is not the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The MSM offers up some data and wraps it up buy saying the data is inconclusive or simply left wing propaganda or offers some other drivel to kill the message.

Who is going
to tell truth to power and force the MSM to inform the American public
about runaway climate change? How are we going to get the American
people all on the same page about the terrifying prospect of being near
if not over a tipping point to extinction?"

I guess my point is that the real impacts to humanity are not being clearly and emphatically stated. 

Coop

 

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OOps...Sorry for the double, now triple, post.

Coop

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ckessel wrote:
SamLinder wrote:
ckessel wrote:

Mike,

As regards the main point:

"Who is
going to write (or direct) the American Climate Code Red? Who is going
to tell truth to power and force the MSM to inform the American public
about runaway climate change? How are we going to get the American
people all on the same page about the terrifying prospect of being near
if not over a tipping point to extinction?"

<snip>

Coop

Mike/Coop,

Are you forgetting Al Gore and "The Inconvenient Truth"? Global Warming/Climate Change has been all over the media all over the world.

Sam,

Agreed the subject is out and about. What is not said though is what climate change really means. And I offer that what is said is not the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The MSM offers up some data and wraps it up buy saying the data is inconclusive or simply left wing propaganda or offers some other drivel to kill the message.

Who is going
to tell truth to power and force the MSM to inform the American public
about runaway climate change? How are we going to get the American
people all on the same page about the terrifying prospect of being near
if not over a tipping point to extinction?"

I guess my point is that the real impacts to humanity are not being clearly and emphatically stated. 

Coop

Coop ,

I agree with what you are saying. However, the public at large has been beaten to death with Global Warming/Climate Change and their eyes have now glazed over. Those of us who are still concerned are doing what we can to minimize the impact on mother earth. The rest will no longer listen.  Cry

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Global sea ice has recovered to the same area as 1979, according to recent reports.

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=76028

In
looking at a 30-year chart of ice area and anomaly (deviation from
trend), I realized how much the interpretation resembles technical
analysis. One analyst claimed it was a secular trend reversal to more
sea ice. I saw only a short-term deviation, similar to others that
occurred during the stalled warming trend. So I couldn't conclude
anything from the chart, one way or the other.

The science behind
the matter is like fundamental analysis of stocks. One theory says that
rising C02 levels will dictate future warming. But the recent lack of sunspots is
linked by others to mini-ice ages of the late 1700s which also
coincided with low sunspot counts.

I suppose that fluctuating
solar output, greenhouse effect, and terrestrial albedo all react in a
complex fashion. But I have no idea which variable predominates, or
whether only a multivariate analysis is useful. So it is in intermarket
analysis, where index trends, interest rates, currencies, money supply,
economic stats and sentiment all have their roles, not necessarily at a
constant weighting.

From these analogies, I conclude that anyone
who claims to forecast with certainty about either the market or the
climate is probably overestimating their abilities. Both systems are
inherently
unruly, prone to delivering unpredictable surprises. Since global
cooling is the worst possible thing that could happen, provoking mass
famine, Murphy's Law suggests that it will at some point. Or as that
supreme cynic Maynard Keynes quipped, 'In the long run we are all
dead.' Victims of Keynesianism, most likely.

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machinehead wrote:

Global sea ice has recovered to the same area as 1979, according to recent reports.

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=76028

<snip>

From these analogies, I conclude that anyone
who claims to forecast with certainty about either the market or the
climate is probably overestimating their abilities. Both systems are
inherently
unruly, prone to delivering unpredictable surprises. Since global
cooling is the worst possible thing that could happen, provoking mass
famine, Murphy's Law suggests that it will at some point. Or as that
supreme cynic Maynard Keynes quipped, 'In the long run we are all
dead.' Victims of Keynesianism, most likely.

http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm

I don't know which web sites to believe and which not. One thing I do know - I was on an Alaskan cruise in Sept. '08 and saw local maps of the glaciers that included how far they have receded and how far they've grown. In some cases there was significant recession. However, in other cases, the glaciers actually grew and were at their maximum since first being measured. So, are we really warming up world-wide or are we cooling down? Perhaps we're doing both simultaneously (ever hear of the term micro-climate)?

From the above, I agree with machinehead. We live in an unruly world and will continue to be surprised no matter how much warning we are given by the mavens in our society. (Maven: a trusted expert in a particular field: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maven)

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"We live in an unruly world and will continue to be surprised no matter
how much warning we are given by the mavens in our society."

Anyone who worries about a few degrees change in global temperature is simply ignorant of earth's history. We have been both a lot colder and a lot warmer in the past few hundred thousand years. It is entirely misguided to think that the apparent very recent stability of climate is normal. It is not, and life has gone merrily on through warm and cold. If humans are so poorly adapted that they can't figure out how to farm Canada and Siberia if it warms a little, then we deserve to die off. Seems to me that we have real problems to worry about on a much shorter time scale.

Stan

 

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2009 has to be the year we turn the corner on climate
change.

The global warming zealots are getting desperate.Their dream of taxing carbon is dead on arrivel.

Here's a nice video from critic David Icke.

Fact is we've been a cooling trend in recent years. In geological time, the Malankovitch Cycle tells us earth has been in a warming trend for the past 12,000 years and we're somewhere near the end. Earth is either going to get warmer or cooler; it's not going to remain static. You better hope this cooling trend doesn't become permanent.

Wiki link

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The trouble is we humans are wired to react to immediate threats wherease global climate change is a slow moving menace.  I'm afraid that by the time enough folks realizes that we need to get serious about global warming it will be too late.

Nonetheless, kudos are in order to the following individuals and organizations for their earnest efforts in getting the word out about the need to adress climate change. 

PBS' Fontline for Heat, their excellent program on climate change. It can be viewed online here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/heat/

NASA chief climatologist James Hansen (who was quoted in original post) http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2007/05/15/hansen/index.html

UN General Secretary Ban Ki-moon: http://www.un.org/apps/news/infocus/sgspeeches/search_full.asp?statID=385

Environmentalist author Bill McKibben and the 350 organization: http://www.350.org/en/about

Author and columnist Thomas Friedman: Check out his recent keynote address at the "Biodiversity in a Rapidly Changing World," conference organized by the National Council for Science and the Environment: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/12/18/midday2/  

National Geographic magazine: http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/player/environment/global-warm...

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Regarding Al Gore: while Inconvenient Truth was an indispendible work and I can't thank him enough for presenting it, he has since been a huge dissapointment. He could have seized the moment after winning the Academy Award and sharing the Nobel Prize. He did have that ábsurd 'lets get off of carbon in 10 years' proposal last year for which he was roundly ridiculed, but other than that has been MIA. He even rejected a position with the Obama administration which woud have given him: 1) direct access to the folks in power, 2) a hell of a platform to get the message out to citizens.

Seems he's too aloof to be of any use. 

 

 

 

 

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Mr. Hewitt,

 That's why they changed their crisis name from AGW to ACC, this way they can have it both ways, it's a crisis if it gets warmer and a crisis if it gets cooler and somehow they will blame CO2 either way. Never waste a crisis, right?

 I've given up wasting my time on CC, how can anyone make a decision when one group of scientists say the polar ice is increasing and another group say it's decreasing?

Engineer joke,

 Some people say that a glass of water is half full, some say it's half empty, an engineer says the glass is too big.

Greg

 

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And the Earth was a very different planet then, and there weren't 6.7 billion people trying to eke a living out of it....

Mike 

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That graph of yours Ray shows no cooling trend.  What it shows is that we are nearing the top of THIS warming trend since the last ice age.  How can you claim that a graph that goes back 400,000 years shows any trend 'in recent years'?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THIS chart shows a trend for the past 230 years or so.  CLEARLY, it shows a warming trend.....   click on the chart to find the source.

What everyone seems to convenientky forget is that we have only been seriously altering the atmosphere for the past 75 years, and because of time lags, it's entirely understandable that a changing trend would be recent... like twenty five years. 

If you look at the short period 1960 - 1965, you'll see a cooling trend.....  and the media was awash with the idea we were going back to an ice age!  On FIVE YEARS DATA!  Even including that period, going back 1935, a clear warming trend is evident.

Mike 

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That's very funny Ray, but glossing over a really serious issue, just because you can't make heads or tails of it is not....

"They" who changed the rhetoric from GW to CC were POLITICIANS who didn't want to panic people into changing the way we live.....  effluently! 

And I fail to see how the possibility that GW could send us into another ice age makes it OK to ignore the problem.

Personally, I'd have no problem with another ice age.....  it would wipe the US off the map and that would solve an awful lot of problems.

Mike 

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200901_Figure2.png

 

Figure 2. The graph above shows daily sea
ice extent.The solid blue line indicates 2008–2009; the dashed green
line shows 2006–2007 (the record-low summer minimum occurred in 2007);
and the solid gray line indicates average extent from 1979 to 2000. Sea
Ice Index data.

—Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

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This is an argument culdesac.  I think this puts things in perspective.

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Quote:

Coop ,

I agree with what you are saying. However, the public at large has been beaten to death with Global Warming/Climate Change and their eyes have now glazed over. Those of us who are still concerned are doing what we can to minimize the impact on mother earth. The rest will no longer listen.  Cry

Sam,

Well said !   I think good ole' mother nature has something in store that will cut the glaze ! 

Coop

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Am i right in thinking that among the legions of experts, scientists, politicians, whoever, its roughly 50 - 50 as to weather (sic) we have a global warming/ cooling problem or not?

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That's very funny Ray, but glossing over a really serious issue, just because you can't make heads or tails of it is not....

So say you, Matrix. You don't have my talent for seeing through bull.

That graph of yours Ray shows no cooling trend.  What it shows is that
we are nearing the top of THIS warming trend since the last ice age. 
How can you claim that a graph that goes back 400,000 years shows any
trend 'in recent years'?

At least don't misquote me. The cooling that's been noticed in the past few years isn't long enough to confirm a long term trend in either direction. It wouldn't show on the 420,000 year Malankovitch Chart. I thought I was clear about that, but you middled it. The sources I read think it's due to the lack of sunspot activity.

The CO2 to which you and your buddies make such a big deal is too insigificant relative to nature causes for climate change. The changes in geological time make that clear.

And I fail to see how the possibility that GW could send us into another ice age makes it OK to ignore the problem

Ignoring your imaginary problems is the most rational thing anyone can do. Earth has been in a waming trend for 12,000 years. All your charts and data do is show evidence of that trend.

Personally, I'd have no problem with another ice age.....  it would
wipe the US off the map and that would solve an awful lot of problems. 

I take back what I said about you not being a misanthrope. How about Yellowstone blowing  up? I think you would like that better. Then you can be around to watch people die by the billions. Anyway, I'm glad you cleared up what your real motives are.

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Am i right in thinking that among the legions of experts, scientists, politicians, whoever, its roughly 50 - 50 as to weather (sic) we have a global warming/ cooling problem or not?

You would be wrong.  The public is probably split about 50-50, but scientists are not.  Although the numbers are not absolute, I think its fair to say that the strong majority of climate scientists accept that we are warming and that man is largely responsible.  The few exceptions are the same names that come up all the time.  They are vocal, but their numbers are small.

That 50-50 split is about the same proportion of the public that believe in either evolution or creationism.  But, the science is overwhelmingly on one side of the issue.  It is sad commentary on science education in our country, or perhaps on the parents in our society because they don't demand more of the education system and their kids.  The level of scientific ignorance in our society is truly frightening and will spell the downfall of the nation as surely as the three e's.

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Mike

I see the Arctic ice extent is doing pretty much what the NSIDC said it would be doing a couple months ago when the denialists were crowing about how fast the Arctic Ocean was freezing.  It's back to the historic low trend line.

BTW, I again recommend anyone who has questions about AGW go to realclimate.org.  Roam around the site for a bit.  They discuss every objection that has come up here, or anywhere else I've seen, and show you the science.  Don't argue with us, we're amateurs too, at least I am.

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I just want to mention that all the arguments brought up against linking CO2 to warming is pretty much covered by the "How to talk to a climate sceptic" articles.

http://gristmill.grist.org/skeptics

There is also the issue of ocean acidification which is easier to demonstrate.

The exponential increase in CO2 matters -- but only a linear increase in concentration -- because it affects the EROI of oil extraction:

The Costly Compromises of Oil From Sand

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/business/07oilsands.html?_r=1&ref=busi...

"In a recent study, the RAND Corporation estimated that oil from the oil
sands generates about 10 to 30 percent more greenhouse gases than
conventional crude. "

Cynically, sceptism aligns very nicely with cheaper oil -- maybe that is the real issue.

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"You don't have my talent for seeing through bull."

 

And you Ray don't have my talent for seeing through sarcasm!

Mike 

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I agree with what you are saying. However, the public at large has been beaten to death with Global Warming/Climate Change and their eyes have now glazed over. Those of us who are still concerned are doing what we can to minimize the impact on mother earth. The rest will no longer listen.  Cry

We humans, being irrational creatures are, by and large, driven by emotions rather than logic. Thus we're good at reacting (or overreacting) to perceived immediate threats while putting off more distant concerns, even though deep down we know we shouldn't. It'll take something like New York City being submerged by the Atlantic Ocean to get people's attention. By then it'll be too late, if it isn't already.Cry

 

 

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I'm no weather expert but the same people pushing global warming now were pushing a man-made ice age back in the 70's. They were wrong then and no doubt they're  wrong now. If people want to get excited about something environmental, how about what mankind is doing to the oceans.

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jonesb.mta wrote:

I'm no weather expert but the same people pushing global warming now were pushing a man-made ice age back in the 70's. They were wrong then and no doubt they're  wrong now. If people want to get excited about something environmental, how about what mankind is doing to the oceans.

You are repeating one of the oldest and most oft stated myths in the climate change discussion.  There were a few media types that blew a short period of apparent cooling into something of a frenzy.  There was little scientific support for that notion, unlike global warming which is strongly supported by the science community.

BTW, the oceans are one of the victims of global warming.  It is leading to acidification of the oceans and damage to coral reefs. 

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Re: Climate Code Red -Telling The Truth To Power

Wait a minute.  I have a question. 

For the sake of argument, let's assume that climate change caused by human activity were proven beyond any doubt.  So what?  The question still seems purely academic because we cannot, as a species, do anything about our CO2 emissions.  Humans have no effective global means of reducing total gas output.  Certainly it's very easy for the US to champion strict emission controls---we have no industry here anyway!  But reductions in gas emissions even by all the first-world nations would be rapidly overtaken by the exponentially increasing emissions from developing nations, and by human population growth.  So, from a practical standpoint, what's the difference?  As long as there is no way to convince a poor man in Viet Nam that his nation shouldn't have an industrial standard of living while it is still there for the taking, that means fossil fuels will flow.  It seems clear that as long as a barrel of oil is available for the burning, it will be burned somewhere, by someone.  And carbon dioxide will be released.

And I may be wrong, but won't the greater part of the greenhouse gas problem resolve itself as we exhaust the earth's drillable petroleum?  Our use of fossil fuels is an historically brief phenomenon, and everybody agrees that it will come to an end.  So my question is, why trouble ourselves over a problem which we cannot solve ourselves, and which the passage of time is tending to resolve in any case?

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Re: Climate Code Red -Telling The Truth To Power
Doug wrote:

BTW, I again recommend anyone who has questions about AGW go to realclimate.org.  Roam around the site for a bit.  They discuss every objection that has come up here, or anywhere else I've seen, and show you the science.  Don't argue with us, we're amateurs too, at least I am.

 

realclimate.org    yet again bringing up a site that has a demonstrable lack of dispassionate scientific rigour and lack of proper logic in many of its articles.

 

Have been trying to find a site mentioned by Nichoman in an earlier posting whrn realclimate was brought up previously

 

Cheers Hamish

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Re: Climate Code Red -Telling The Truth To Power

I suggest you go back to post #15 where I mention this....  and it was in the 60's, not the 70's....  and I very much doubt it was the same people!

CC could cause an ice age all the same....  we just don't have any trendlines to analyse yet.  The melting ice in the arctic is affecting the density of the Arctic Ocean - fresh water (melting ice) is less dense than the salty ocean water - and this change could cause the Gulf Stream to stop, and then reverse.  This has happened before.... but whether it's happened because of ice caps melting or not, I suppose we'll never know.

The Gulf Stream holds, as heat, more  energy than humanity consumes as fossil fuels......  just think about THAT.  This is how Europe keeps warm, and why at the same latitudes European and American cities have vastly different climates.

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