Chinese committing suicide every two minutes

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Chinese committing suicide every two minutes

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24774261-401,00.html

 

 

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Re: Chinese committing suicide every two minutes

This is really sad...

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Yea, and I think it will get much worse. Asian countries in general are really different when it comes to this. If they run into a wall, like depression, loss of job, etc. They will simply kill themselves. It's taboo here in TW and China to ask for help of the mental help kind, if anyone can help you with difficult issues or is even qualified to do so.

It's do good and support your family, or kill yourself.

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Is this considered good...pride/honor... or do you think it is too much pride/honor?

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Asian countries have historically been community driven.  As the article talks about, maybe the rapid change toward individualism contributed to the mental health problems.

 

When they used to have a community to lean on, now they find themselves alone. 

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Re: Chinese committing suicide every two minutes

Too much

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brandenism wrote:

Asian countries have historically been community driven.  As the article talks about, maybe the rapid change toward individualism contributed to the mental health problems.

 

When they used to have a community to lean on, now they find themselves alone. 

Couldn't agree more brandenism!

Just around the corner is another monster which lurks for the Chineese. The Drug companies are the next big business that will want to help them with their problems. Their new TV sets will be the vehicle.

Mental Health is BIG business in the US and mental health problems are treated with drugs. Our drug companies have been on an exponential growth curve for decades. Big advertising budgets used to be for cigarettes and alcohol but these days it is psychotropic drugs.

The DSM (Diagnostics and Statistics Manual), the bible of the MH industry now has over 470 "diseases" listed, none of which have any medical way of being tested and positively identified. When a person is "labeled" with one of the "diseases" in the manual, they are then prescribed a drug of choice and that is the end "of the problem". There is not a cure for any of the problems, they are simply treated   ...........until death.

And the truly amazing part of it is how these diseases get into the manual in the first place. First the taxpayers pay for a study including paying people, usually those needing some quick change or better yet, college students, to participate. Then the data is collected and cooked (Fuzzy Numbers) and then it is VOTED ON by the American Psychiatric Association committee and placed into the DSM. Then the Insurance companies have a name and number to place on the form to substantiate treatment costs.

Drug companies love problems such as suicide because it becomes really big business. It truly is a sad state of affairs because it is what the Chineese give up to become a"first world" country that is at the root of the problem.  Drugs will not cure any of it, only mask the true cause. They simple need to "JUST SAY NO."

Same thing we need to say to our Gov't. A simple NO THANKS for all the help!

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caroline_culbert wrote:

Is this considered good...pride/honor... or do you think it is too much pride/honor?

Maybe neither. I estimate that it is a lack of hope (or knowledge) that anything can be done to change the situation. Hopelessness because of an inability to be at cause goes against their tradition of values.

The US Native Americans had similar issues to deal with as regards aging. When a member was no longer able to contribute to the survival in a meaningful way they simply left the group knowing that death would be the consequence. This activty was really a point of honor rather than horror. Our modern society has simply debased the issue.

I think we will be revisiting the concept in the next twenty years.

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brandenism wrote:

Asian countries have historically been community driven. As the article talks about, maybe the rapid change toward individualism contributed to the mental health problems.

Historically, the entire human race has been community driven.....  we were never meant to live like THIS.  My mental well being has improved out of sight since abandoning an overcrowded city (by Australian standards..!) and living in a small village of some 700 inhabitants.  We have more friends than ever, people you can rely on to help if something untoward happens...

I actually think that WTSHTF and western consumers finally realise they can no longer drive their cars, the power keeps going off with monotonous regularity and the plasma screen TV is merely a useless decoration in the living room, that the supermarket shelves are empty, and their cell phones are useless, that there will be a lot of suicides here too.  It will be one of the ugly ways population will collapse.

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Dr. Bartlett did warn us that zero population growth is a mathematical certainty.  It's too bad that this doesn't come about from fewer births rather than too many deaths.  That seems more rational, but too many people still associate growth with prosperity.

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Set wrote:

Dr. Bartlett did warn us that zero population growth is a mathematical certainty.  It's too bad that this doesn't come about from fewer births rather than too many deaths.  That seems more rational, but too many people still associate growth with prosperity.

From an evolutionary standpoint, nothing is "rational".  I'm sorry... but if we haven't learned, by now, how to control our own population (considering the level of our intelligence) then disease, infertility, deaths, crime, and etc. will take care of the job for us.  We have been led by our families, traditions, dogmatism, churches, and etc. into actions that we cannot reverse.  There are many types of people in this world.  How many are the types that look 5 years down the road?  What about 10 years or 20 years?  How about tomorrow?  Many are living by their two week cycle correlated with their pay periods.  I realize that many are bred into this type of life, i.e., the check-to-check life, and I don't blame them.  But if we're to prolong our species, then those are the people we should be educating.  We should be, from an evolutionary standpoint, invest in their education as we would our own children.  Think about it.  If you have 'x' number of immigrants expanding at the exponential factor of 3, and those immigrants pass down their substandard levels of education, then what happens if the exponent factor, of anyeducated family passes on their knowledge, is 2?  The result is a tremendous amount of uneducated "whoevers" roaming around making more uneducated babies.  The fact is is that the educators and the educated may be outnumber by the uneducated by a larger exponent.  For those that think this is not true, as far as census, then how does anything get passed down?  It is mostly from your parents, your extended family, your neighborhood, your friends (who are much like you), your church (where everyone like you congregates), and etc.  Those are the habits and traditions of our lives.  What then of our successors?  What might they resemble?-- right, you!

Most of us wont be around to see our great great great grandchildren.  Why are we so worried about their future then?  I ask this in a rhetorical way.  Think about it.... You will only be on this planet less than 100 years.  Why care?

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“You will only be on this planet less than 100 years.  Why care?” 

As someone who has no children or plans on ever having any, I think it would be irresponsible and selfish to not care how one generation affects another.  I think those of us with enough knowledge to know the implications of careless breeding of our own species should use that knowledge to educate and even forcibly prevent people who don’t have the means to support even one child from ever having another.  The Chinese have a law that some regard as inhuman, but is actually quite rational as far as limiting human procreation.  The rest of the world would be wise to follow this model.

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Set wrote:

  The Chinese have a law that some regard as inhuman, but is actually quite rational as far as limiting human procreation.  The rest of the world would be wise to follow this model.

Actually, China's one child law is having some negative effects. The gender imbalance currently caused by this law, with more male babies preferred over female babies (usually aborted) will cause a larger number of men in the future. This may lead to social instability and difficulty in men finding women, thus forcing them to look to other countries for companions in the future. While I do agree with you on the limiting of human procreation, I also think it needs modification based on where it is practiced as policy and where it may be practiced in the future. The male infant preference is basically a Chinese only policy, since they are the only ones worldwide practicing this, but as others may adapt this as population control it should be done in a manner in which the balance of boy to girl infant ratio's are much closer.

Also, the upper middle class and wealthy ignore this law altogether and have as many children as they want to. Rural enforcement is also harder considering many farmers need multiple sons to help with the planting, growing and harvesting of agriculture as well as other food producing farms such as dairy, meat, pork, and poultry.

 

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