Care to learn what is REALLY going on in LIBYA? (economic and geo-political implications)

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Care to learn what is REALLY going on in LIBYA? (economic and geo-political implications)

Sorry, can't reveal my direct source but secondary and "boots on the groud" sources are revealed below. I regard my source as very credible, certainly much more so than what most are being spoonfed by western main-stream media and political leaders. Judge for yourself and put this into context with whatever "NON-mainstream media" and western gov't spin you have access to and see what you conclude.

This is just a small snippet and preview of what's to come. The Middle East and North Africa will be an increasingly war-ravaged region for the next decade and some of these conflicts have the potential or specific intent to draw in larger military powers like China and Russia into the fold.

I have a background in international relations, military strategy and commodities trading. As you will see below, this is all related. 

I think this sheds a little light on my question earlier with respect to investing with relation to the US's war-mongering efforts and its effects on the economy.

Would love to read your thoughts! Thanks.

YE 

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LIBYAN CONFLICT:  US's LATEST SUBVERSIVE WAR

Colonel Muammar Gaddafi has become the third Arab leader to be ousted by foreign intervention in less than a year. Next on the block are Syria, Yemen and Algeria. However, the destruction of Libya by the West has been a very messy operation, fraught with false justifications, deceptive warfare through third parties, thousands of civilian casualties caused by NATO and outright false reporting. The humanitarian cost of this NATO invasion has far outweighed the supposed humanitarian justifications used to start this war. The rationale for the overthrow of strongman Muammar Gadaffi, based upon some significant human rights violations, begs for an explanation of why the US refuses to tackle Zimbabwe or North Korea where the evils of government tyranny and crushing violations of human rights are massive by comparison.

It's hard to know what the real state of affairs are in Tripoli, at least consistently. News reports from the mainstream media have been extremely biased, if not filled with outright fabrications. One of the reasons for the lack of honest journalism is that the independent foreign press in Tripoli has been threatened with injury or being blackballed if they persist in telling the truth. Some have been the targets of snipers to bring home the message.

Reuters has been particularly bad in reporting what NATO audiences are supposed to hear--with large doses of exaggeration concerning what is happening on the ground. Here's a sample on the day Tripoli was invaded: "Jubilant rebel fighters swept into the heart of Tripoli as Muammar Gaddafi's forces collapsed and crowds took to the streets to celebrate what they saw as the rapidly approaching end of his four decades of absolute power. Two of Gaddafi's sons were captured by the rebels, but the whereabouts of Gaddafi himself were unknown."

The captured son report turned out not to be true at the time, and the claim that Gaddafi's forces had collapsed was very premature. Fierce fighting will be ongoing for a quite a few more days as thousands of pro-Gaddafi civilian supporters have been armed and vowed to carry on a guerrilla war. It is inevitable that forces opposed to the new rebel regime will grow in strength as the undemocratic and ruthless nature of the rebel regime fully dawns on the Libyan people.

There is little discipline or organization among the broad coalition of rebel bands, each owning greater allegiance to their small group than to the whole. Once the Gaddafi regime is defanged, there will be deep and fierce infighting for control of the new government. It's going to take months to sort out who belongs to what faction and who should be disarmed. NATO is going to have a tough time putting Humpty Dumpty back together again now that Gaddafi has been pushed off the wall.

The UK Examiner filed this report about the targeting of non-mainstream reporters: "[According to Human Rights organizations], the U.S. allegedly ordered targeted killings of Voltaire Network reporters, Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya and Thierry Meyssan---non-mainstream reporters in Libya covering the NATO war, while other independent reporters were being fired upon. Mohammed Nabbous was killed Saturday according to ABC News. In an interview with journalist Don DeBar on KPFA radio, he reported most mainstream 'news' about Libya has been untrue. Alternative news sites... are increasingly persecuted according to their recent reports."

The Leftist PressTV.com reports that reporter Mahdi Nazemroaya told them that "CNN -- not directly to him, but through another person -- threatened him and said that he personally would pay for opposing the war. Imagine that: a broadcaster threatening an independent journalistfor reporting the truth about events on the ground.

"NATO knows who the independents are and they are targeted. There is sniper's on roof tops - who knows who is friend or foe. Franklin [a reporter] was shot in the leg - I think he's OK. But he also said the rebels are armed guerilla gangs and mercenaries who are indistinguishable from Tripoli residents - they're waging street warfare."

Independent journalists complain about seeing "Fake video footages, and false reports of sons of Gaddafi in rebel hands. The [Claims of] rebels controlling Tripoli are all lies as the situation in Tripoli becomes more chaotic [accurate only as of today]."

PressTV then introduces renowned Leftist writer and columnist Stephen Lendman. I occasionally use sources on the Left when they are fighting the same globalist conspiracy we are. "Steve Lendman, How are you assessing the situation right now in Tripoli?

"Conditions on the streets are very fast moving, very fluid, very chaotic, and very violent; I also know that anything reported by the major media, especially America's major media - some of it is so shocking it's shameless and it's deliberately falsified... It even gives propaganda a bad name.

"[The US war on Libya] is absolutely illegal with no humanitarian concern for the Libyan people. Even the so-called rebels are not rebels they're mercenaries; they have been hired... they were brought in mostly from outside the country; [They] were told 'We want to liberate this country from bad people'. And they go in and do what they're told to do because they want to keep getting their paycheck.

"About the so-called celebrations in the streets of Tripoli --- I discount them [Eventually, they will come true, but initially the media tries to falsely portray an early victory in order to induce Gaddafi forces to give up in despair].

"Earlier when Western media reported a rebel mass celebration in the streets of cities like Zawiyah, Misrata and others, supposedly liberated by rebels - they were never really liberated by rebels; these were lies. Gaddafi forces took cover while NATO was bombing; then rebel elements moved in; and then fake footage was shown on Western TV of large celebratory crowds with fireworks going off - these were lies. As soon as the bombing stopped, Gaddafi forces moved back in and the rebels scattered, afraid.

"Misrata, Brega and Zawiyah are still in government hands and who knows what's going on in Tripoli. The vast majority of people in Tripoli detest the rebels. All the major tribes in Libya detest the rebels and detest NATO."

Press TV: "What has been NATO's role since those airstrikes started and now it appears they are going to continue those strikes?

Stephen Lendman: "This is a Washington-led effort; this is Obama's war. This is NATO's war of which the main NATO partners are PM Cameron in the UK, Pres. Sarkozy in France and of course Obama - they're the three main co-conspirators in this war [Actually, they are all taking orders from globalist leaders above them]. If the bombing stopped the rebels would disintegrate and disappear - they wouldn't last even 24 hours if the bombing stopped. It's the bombing that is really doing everything and the bombing is killing an awful lot of civilians [Tripoli hospitals are overloaded with casualties as civilians get caught in the crossfire between combatants in civilian clothes].

"Hundreds of mercenaries came in; they landed on the shores of Tripoli and they look like any other Libyan - nobody else knows who the person next to them is. All Libyans are armed; it's not unusual to see a Libyan on the street with a weapon. So these people came in with weapons looking like other pro-Gaddafi Libyans and they intermingle."

"The Libyans are civilians and you've got Gaddafi's military force, but if they come out visibly in the open NATO bombs them. So they have to be very careful and clever and disguise themselves. They have to disperse and use non-military vehicles and such so as not to look like a military target because they will be bombed immediately [drones are constantly overhead acting as surveillance]."

Mathaba.net, one of the independent news organizations reports that "Fighting is now raging around the sea side of Tripoli, showing that NATO which controls the entire Gulf of Sidra does not even control critical central Tripoli harbor areas. Journalists who were [rescued by rebel forces this past week at the Rixos hotel], were supposed to be evacuated today by the Red Cross by sea to Malta. Apparently could not leave [because rebels don't have enough organization to hold any territory for long] and are again holed up in a hotel this time right on the sea front, at the Corinthia.

"Among them is Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya [previously quoted] who has been fearing for his life after two assassination attempts, and verbal threats that he would be killed, from a CNN journalist, suspected to be a CIA agent [CNN started as a government front in the Baghdad war].

"Now that the battle for Libya is in its final stages, it's time to assess who is doing what. The rebels are a rag-tag conglomeration of anti-Gaddafi tribal factions combined with former Libyan combatants that were sent by Western intelligence agencies to fight against the Western coalition forces in Iraq. Alone, these undisciplined forces don't have a chance against Gaddafi's armed forces."

The key to the prosecution of this illegal war has been the use of American and NATO fighter/bombers and armed drones. They have waged a relentless, and largely secret, bombing war on Gaddafi's military bases and troop concentrations. US Air Force and Navy aircraft were also still participating in ground attack sorties long after Obama said there was no further US combat role.

NATO jets have been pounding Gaddafi's forces whenever they mass enough strength to be visible to the rebels or the NATO Special Forces on the ground. This constant targeting by air power is the reason Tripoli wasn't cordoned off at the perimeter to keep rebel forces from pouring in. Any fixed fortifications were blasted by NATO aircraft. Gaddafi was forced to implement guerrilla tactics within the city.

The media are even partially admitting that foreign Special Forces were on the ground the entire time. Kurt Nimmo of Infowars.com has the story: "Now that NATO is within reach of overthrowing Gaddafi, the corporate media is rife with reports that al-Qaeda, tribal warlords, and disenfranchised former Gaddafi bureaucrats had plenty of help from the U.S., Britain, and NATO in the 'Arab Spring' operation to install a government amenable to the globalists.

"Special Forces troops from Britain, France, Jordan and Qatar on the ground in Libya have stepped up operations in Tripoli and other cities in recent days to help rebel forces as they conducted their final advance on the Gaddafi regime," a NATO official told CNN today.

"British forces, in particular, have assisted rebel units by 'helping them get better organized to conduct operations,' the official said. Some of these forces from all the countries have traveled with rebel units from towns across Libya as they advanced on Tripoli.

"The official declined to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the intelligence information.

Overall, the Special Forces have helped rebels 'improve their tactics,' the official said.

The forces have also provided targeting information to warplanes conducting air strikes and conducting reconnaissance missions in Tripoli, he said. This has been especially critical in recent days in the capital, as fighters from both sides have mixed together in close range. The forces have also assisted rebels in communications as they conducted the assault on the capital.

"Qatari and French forces also have provided some armaments, the official said. In March, we covered a report from Pakistan revealing the participation of U.S. Special Forces in Libya. The report was published by the Pakistan Observer and it revealed three foreign states had placed special forces in Cyrenaica, the eastern coastal region of Libya.

"'A Libyan official who requested not to be identified said that the U.S. and British military gurus were sent on February 23 and 24 night through American and French warships and small naval boats off Libyan ports of Benghazi and Tobruk,' wrote Akhtar Jamal.

"Following the arrival of foreign troops, Al Jazeera reported 'an unnamed rebel source related how he had undergone training in military techniques at a 'secret facility' in eastern Libya.' In June, despite denials by British PM David Cameron, ex-SAS troops were photographed with rebels in Libya. 'Blending in with the insurgents in sand-colored clothes, peaked caps, shades and linen scarves, they are the UK's unofficial boots on the ground,' the UK Mirror reported. 'Highly trained with front line experience round the world, the crack unit has been in the country for the past four weeks.'"

An editorial in the Baltimore Sun expressed the growing frustration of Americans who are fed up with this continual stream of foreign intervention: "How appropriate the front page photo shows a joyous Libyan rebel in American battle dress uniform ('Rebels in Tripoli-no time to rejoice'). Glad he's so happy. As a taxpayer I'm sickened to realize once again our dollars (900 billions of them) have been squandered in another unnecessary war.

"So I guess now we can look forward to the executions of Moammar Gadhafi, his son and other family members. Where does our Constitution mandate America must police the world? While NATO will claim honors for the Libyan rebel victory, everyone knows it was the United States that did the heavy lifting. And while I'm speaking of expenses, who is going to pay for the clean-up of that country, care for the maimed and wounded, the resettlement of refugees and the repair of Tripoli's infrastructure? Naturally it will be us, the American taxpayer!"

In summary, Gaddafi will lose this battle soon, but that doesn't mean there will be peace in Libya. There are so many warring factions in the country that Western globalists will have their hands full trying to produce a reliable puppet government that won't engender more extreme discontent. The only way that Western powers will control the resources of Libya is by direct military occupation of key infrastructure, so expect to see the UN authorize "peacekeeping forces." All of this is continuing to build the reputation that the US (and now NATO) are the bullies of the world.

Gaddafi also has huge stockpiles of weapons and munitions--some of which may be classified as weapons of mass destruction (chemical weapons). It is unlikely that the West will allow the rebels to have control of these, nor the 144 tons of gold bullion Libya had secreted away somewhere. It's bad enough that the International bankers have confiscated all of Libya's accumulated oil wealth and turned Libyan money over to the rebels. I'm betting that gold will also end up confiscated by the Western powers as payment for the war--though no announcement is expected.

Gaddafi may be hard to capture. His compound was laced with underground tunnels leading off in all directions, including the airport and the harbor port. Gaddafi finds a way to make tape recorded clandestine broadcasts each day to keep loyalist spirits alive. Thursday he said, "The tribes [the largest tribal factions support Gaddafi] ... must march on Tripoli. Do not leave Tripoli to those rats, kill them, defeat them quickly." I don't think it will work, but it might be good to see this all-powerful appearing global conspiracy stalled and wallowing in a quagmire of guerrilla warfare.

The only hope for Libya is that rebel infighting will derail this provoked and false revolution. And there is plenty of infighting going on. Libya's rebel council knows who killed their top military commander--assassinated this month by another rebel group--but will not immediately identify them for fear the information will hurt the revolution. Eventually, it will leak out and tribal infighting will start all over again. It's not that tribal hatred was any better or worse under Gaddafi--only that Gaddafi's iron hand kept a lid on it. Countries like these can never build a democratic society with self-imposed limits on power.

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  How many more iterations

 

How many more iterations of this nonsense will we quietly endure? I suppose we will discover that at some point.

"3 E's be damned, we got some fighting to do."

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same old game

It was pretty obvious from the start that this whole operation was CIA/MI6/Mossad driven.  And those "rebels"?  Anyone who saw pictures of their weaponry and how they handled it realized these were seasoned fighters, not a bunch of spur-of-the-moment rag-tag rebels who just raided an armory.  The "humanitarian" propaganda was so thick you could cut it with a knife and phoney as a three dollar bill.  A big part of this particular operation was denying the Chinese the Libyan oil supply.   

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dying throes of an oil based world

These wars are all about control of the remaining oil.  It's like fighting over the last air when you're trapped in a cave instead of trying to apply your remaining energy to finding a way out.  Those with control over the energy source will have the reins pried out of their dead hands.  May we find ourselves prepared for that day.

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Direct feed into inside war efforts...

Hey guys,

What's going on in Libya is nothing short of a complete violation of constitutional law and an outright scam on the US public. It's not too different than what has been done elsewhere by the US. They keep on perpetrating it and getting away with it without hardly any consequences.

Due to my educational background, industry work experience and current biz operations I have some great contacts with good scoops on what is going on there. Seeds are being sown for several major conflicts in the region over the coming years. That's why I proposed that people closely consider how to prepare for and invest with war in mind. The US is going to be involved, if not cause, several significant wars throughout the next decade and beyond. There is a high probability one or more of these conflicts will bring Russia and China into the frey and in direct opposition to the US.

Prep and investment should definitely have that in mind with respect to how it affects everything else. I know that this topic is not popular here but it is what is highly probably, expected and in fact being intentionally orchestrated and brought to the forefront through stealth and deception.

Additionally, lets face it, more income allows for more prep and safety. Living a truly safe and sustainable life designed to weather the worst of potential eventualities is not cheap. Hard work (sweat equity) and education are super important but won't provide you with everything you need without a healthy budget. Funds also allow you to move much quicker and afford quality help and advice. The window of opportunity and time prep is quickly closing. Rapid wealth accumulation surely does not hurt the effort.

YE    

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YoungEntrepreneur wrote:

 

Prep and investment should definitely have that in mind with respect to how it affects everything else. I know that this topic is not popular here..............

YE    

What makes you think that? I see nothing in your post(s) that isn't germane and reasonably discussed here. Shouldn't CM'ers get more credit than that?

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earthwise wrote:
YoungEntrepreneur wrote:

 

Prep and investment should definitely have that in mind with respect to how it affects everything else. I know that this topic is not popular here..............

YE    

What makes you think that? I see nothing in your post(s) that isn't germane and reasonably discussed here. Shouldn't CM'ers get more credit than that?

It was on a different thread. He got reprimanded for the topic by CMers.

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Re: Tycer & Earthwise

Yes, saw that too.

I found nothing wrong with YoungEntrepreneur's question in general.

One may have some moral issues with it but if war is currently being waged and is going to be waged even further why not strategize on how to invest and prep accordingly. YE seems to hav some good insights and points on what to expect there.

Afterall, he is right. The US does nothing better right now than irresponsibly print soon to be worthless fiat money and declare unjust wars brought about by corrupt and dark stealth agendas. That's what the US war machine and political system is designed for.

Plenty of people here purchase products from big corporations, bank and invest through big banks and Wall Street companies and acquire services from vendors guilty of some of the most heinous crimes. Many of these vendors and companies certainly contribute if not directly support and fuel much of our present economic and political mess. That does not stop many CM consumers from using such productsand sevicesthem does it.

IMO, the CM board is a bit too senstive there and harsh with the rebuke. Hope it does not discourage YE from posting because he was adding some interesting insights and content here recently.

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Thanks but no thanks.
YoungEntrepreneur wrote:

Due to my educational background, industry work experience and current biz operations I have some great contacts with good scoops on what is going on there. Seeds are being sown for several major conflicts in the region over the coming years. That's why I proposed that people closely consider how to prepare for and invest with war in mind.

I don't need wealth.  Thanks but no thanks.

Mike

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Your welcome DTM

Everyone is certainly entitled to remain poor or not progess much beyond a modest middle class living. To each his own.

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