biological weapons used against American citizens

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biological weapons used against American citizens

Chris I was hoping to get your opinion on this question.  Do you think the government and people in power would use biological weapons agaist its own people in time of revolt? Do you think if things get bad enough they would do it to thin the population?

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Re: biological weapons used against American citizens?

This is extremely unlikely for several reasons.

Pathogens which might be used as weapons generally fall into two categories: communicable and non-communicable.  Communicable pathogens can be transmitted from person to person after the attack and are capable of starting an epidemic.  Non-communicable pathogens do not generally spread from person to person, and only those persons exposed at the time and place of the attack would be victims.

First, communicable biological weapons can never be used safely because once an epidemic is started, it cannot be easily stopped, and will eventually take a toll upon "friendly" forces as well as upon the hostile forces. Non-communicable types of pathogens which are not subject to person-to-person transmission (such as anthrax spores) are very difficult to deploy properly, have a tendency to infect far fewer individuals than one might hope, and also tend to contaminate areas long after they are used, constituting a great inconvenience to the people who have used them.

Second,  biological weapons are generally strategically useless.  Infection is random and unpredictable.  In the case of communicable biological agents, it is entirely probable that less than 25% of the individuals in the target area will ultimately succumb, while transmission of the disease continues in an unpredictable and dangerous manner in areas far away from, and long after, the attack.  The ultimate costs to the attacker would be monumental.  In addition, the effects are very slow.  An epidemic might take many weeks to develop, by which time fortunes on the battlefield may have changed, and the government may be ready to occupy the affected area, but is prevented from doing so by the ongoing epidemic.  In most cases, the use of biological weapons would turn to the attackers own disadvantage.  In the case of non-communicable biological agents, effective dispersion is so tricky, and infection rates so low, that for number of people killed, it would be far more efficient to simply drop bombs, or use toxic gases.

Third, government relies for its authority on the participation of a vast network of governmental agencies.  Very many of these agencies belong to the states and are not connected to the federal government at all.  Furthermore, the states delegate most of the crucial functions of government to the local level.  The number of people which thus must be protected prior to the attack is so large, and their connection to the military so remote, that secrecy could not possibly be sustained, even if we assume that the attackers wished to save only the most essential elements of the central government from the effects of their own attack. Most of these people, certainly, would not be at all pleased to learn of a federal government plot to deploy biological weapons.

The fourth and final reason is logistical in nature, and is related to the third reason.  Central government forces consume vast amounts of resources, both in the form of personnel and materiel, and always rely on an orderly supply chain to function.  From the farmers, to the bakers, to the truck mechanics, to the ordinary citizens who work in ammunition factories, any government relies on the productivity of these people.  A rebel force relies on disorder and chaos.  The outbreak of a serious disease would severely damage a central government's supply chain, and would thus assist a rebellion far more than it might help the government.

For all the conspiracy-theorizing about the intentions of the federal government, the fact is that the fundamental structure of our country's government is much as the founding father's created it.  It is highly decentralized.  Without the support of local communities, states would not be able to function, and without the support of the states, the federal government would not be able to function.  Our federal government is not self-contained.  It does not have systems of justice, or of transportation, or of legislation, which can continue to function without the participation of the state governments.  Therefore any talk of a single, unified, all-powerful "Government" is somewhat impossible in the US.  This is, and always has been, an important protection for our liberty.

So, for the above reasons, even if we assume that elements in the federal government wished to carry out such a fantastic attack on the people, biological agents would not be the weapon of choice, for the reasons given above.  

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Re: biological weapons used against American citizens

Conspiracies are always controversial, but they are out there. Thinning the population is certainly an idea that is out there. Although that idea was mentioned in the book Empire of Debt, I believe, as something that could theoretically fix the demographic issue we face with programs like Social Security. I sometimes wonder if this was all a setup. As has been mentioned by Chris, the passage of the bankruptcy bill about 2 years ago that strengthened the personal bankruptcy laws was misguided. 2 years later, look at the financial disaster we are in. For 2010, something else to think about, the U.S. Federal Estate Tax goes to ZERO for 1 year, before returning to it's original rate. 2010 is the year to die if you want to leave your kids all your wealth tax free. I have a friend in the medical field who recieves monthly newsletters from Aetna and there is always talk in the newsletters about bird flu and pandemic flu and how to talk to your patients about it. He has even been on conference calls with Aetna discussing the flu. Now, why would Aetna be talking about bird flu? Do THEY know something is coming? Recently, the CDC has released money to states to get ready for pandemic flu. So maybe something is going to happen in 2010. Or not.

As for biological weapons, google ChemTrails. You can also google FDA supression. Nothing surprises me anymore, nothing.

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Re: biological weapons used against American citizens
joemanc wrote:

Recently, the CDC has released money to states to get ready for pandemic flu. So maybe something is going to happen in 2010. Or not.

The reason why the federal, state, and local health authorities are making preparations for the bird flu is because good scientific evidence indicates that the H5N1 strain currently endemic in bird populations in Asia is an excellent candidate for the next influenza epidemic.  It has a very high case mortality rate and a low degree of immune recognition in the current human population.  Every year since 1997 or so has seen a steady stream of cases in East Asia, potentially getting 'ready' to make the jump to humans.  The only thing which prevents H5N1 from becoming a potentially catastrophic pandemic is the fact that it is not easily transmitted between humans.  The problem is that we don't know enough about the influenza virus to guess how many genes need to mutate to make person-to-person transmission easier, or how easily these genes mutate. 

What we are watching in East Asia may be very close to how the 1918 influenza pandemic began.  And the 1918 pandemic, in less than 9 months, killed more people worldwide than died in the Fist World War, Second World War, Korean War, and Vietnam War combined, including all civilian deaths.  That's why it is being taken seriously.  Furthermore, the same lack of scientific knowledge which prevents us from predicting how close H5N1 is to being a pandemic prevents an evil genius "engineering" a flu epidemic: we simply don't know enough about how the virus works. 

And, in any case, aside from a very small handful of personnel (two or three response teams) the CDC serves only an advisory role in disease control, the responsibility for which rests almost entirely with the states and with local governments.  Yes there are quarantine and isolation plans, mostly developed by the hardworking people in your own state and local health departments.  The federal government is releasing money to the states to develop their own control plans because virologists and epidemiologists have been begging them to.  Bird flu is not a conspiracy. 

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