Big Government Forces Health Care Bill Despite Bi-partisan Opposition

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Big Government Forces Health Care Bill Despite Bi-partisan Opposition

Big Government, Big Insurance Health Care Bill being forced down in the Senate despite opposition by members in both parties and an overwhelming majority of Americans.

After all the denial, the final version of the bill proves to have in place the so-called death panels, the abortion funding, no public option, cuts in Medicare and forced coverage backed by heavy fines or prison. 

Outrageously, Senator Reid & co. have added a section to the bill, Section 3403, that prevents any future Congress from changing the Medicare Advisory Boards (i.e. the ‘death panels’). Section 3403 reads “it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection.”  - complete article link

Bleak Deficit Numbers Projected Under Obama’s Budget Plan
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/business/jan-june09/budget_03-20.html

Poll: Public Disapproval of ‘Obamacare’ Jumps to 52 Percent
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/09/poll-public-disapproval-obamacare-jumps-percent/

Obamacare: Nightmare before Christmas
http://savannahnow.com/opinion/2009-12-23/obamacare-nightmare-christmas

Obama’s trillions dwarf Bush’s ‘dangerous’ spending
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obamas-trillions-dwarf-Bushs-dangerous-spending.html

Obama Shatters Spending Record for First-Year Presidents
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/24/obama-shatters-spending-record-year-presidents/

ObamaCare Keeps Falling in the Polls
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703514404574587820416102550.html

Health Care Bill Is A Huge Tax Heist
http://www.prisonplanet.com/health-care-bill-is-a-huge-tax-heist.html

Under ObamaCare, Prepare To Wait 18 Months To See A Doctor
http://www.prisonplanet.com/under-obamacare-prepare-to-wait-18-months-to-see-a-doctor.html

Polls: Majority Disapprove of Health Care Legislation
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/polls-majority-disapproves-of-health-care-legislation/

Kucinich: Health reform legislation ‘a bailout for insurance companies’
http://rawstory.com/2009/10/kucinich-health-reform-legislation-a-bailout-insurance-companies/

Health Care Bill “Death Panels” Could Only Be Repealed With Super Majority
http://www.infowars.com/health-care-bill-death-panels-could-only-be-repealed-with-super-majority/

Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts in health bill
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091203/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul

Five critical flaws in the Senate health care bill
http://www.examiner.com/x-27701-Dallas-Health-Examiner~y2009m12d23-Five-critical-flaws-in-the-Senate-health-care-bill

Senate health care bill giant power grab for HHS
http://www.examiner.com/x-27580-St-Louis-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m11d30-Senate-health-care-bill-giant-power-grab-for-HHS

Report on Senate health bill: Medicare cuts jeopardize access to care
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/dec2009/medi-d14.shtml

Cuts to Medicare for home health care providers
http://www.pri.org/politics-society/government/cuts-medicare-home-healt-care1778.html

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I think I now a few of the names of who signed the petition for 100% inflation.

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from: Curry.com

About 50 minute - John Dvorak talks about insider trading on health insurance stocks and how price is being manipulated.

Insightful show if you have a chance to listen to the whole show.      EGP

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COMPULSORY PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE:  JUST ANOTHER BAILOUT OF THE FINANCIAL SECTOR?

Ellen Brown   complete article link

It is not a dictatorship by medical doctors, who are as distressed by the proposed legislation as the squeezed middle class is. (For a withering analysis by an outraged M.D. of the nearly 2000 - page House bill, see here.) The new dictatorship is not by doctors but by Wall Street -- the FIRE (finance, insurance, and real estate) sector that now claims 40% of corporate profits.

Economist L. Randall Wray observes that ever since Congress threw out the Glass-Steagall Act separating commercial banking from investment banking, insurance and Wall Street finance have been “two peas in a pod.” He writes:

“[T] here is a huge untapped market of some 50 million people who are not paying insurance premiums—and the number grows every year because employers drop coverage and people can’t afford premiums. Solution? Health insurance ‘reform’ that requires everyone to turn over their pay to Wall Street. . . . This is just another bailout of the financial system, because the tens of trillions of dollars already committed are not nearly enough.”

Rather than focusing on making health care affordable, the bills focus on how to force people either to buy health insurance if they don’t have it, or to pay more for it if they do. If you don’t have insurance and don’t purchase it, you will be subject to a hefty fine. And if you do purchase it, premiums, co-pays, co-insurance payments and deductibles are liable to keep health care cripplingly expensive. Most of the people who don't have health care can't afford to pay the deductibles, so they will never use the plans they are forced to buy.  

To subsidize those who can’t pay, the Senate bill would make families earning two to four times the poverty level who don’t have employer-sponsored insurance surrender 8% to 12% of their income to insurance payments, or pay a fine. In another effort to make the insurance payments “affordable,” the Senate bill calls for the lowest cost plan to cover only sixty percent of health care costs.

“In other words,” writes Dr. Andrew Coates in a November 23 article, “a guarantee of insurance industry dominance and the continued privatization of health care in every arena.”

The Right to Sovereignty Over Our Own Bodies

And that brings up another issue alluded to by Dr. Rush: the matter of freedom of choice in health care. Some people would equate it with freedom of religion. Not everyone believes in Modern Medicine. If we the people have a right to choose what we believe about life after death, we should have the right to choose what we believe about life before death, by choosing how to maintain our own bodies.

The conventional treatment promoted by the medical/pharmaceutical complex is an aggressive approach that can wind up killing the patient as collateral damage in its war on the disease. Among other researchers questioning the wisdom of this approach is Gary Null, who reported the results of an exhaustive independent review by the Nutrition Institute of America in 2004. The reviewers concluded that the number one killer is not heart disease or cancer but conventional medicine itself. Conventional medicine was found to be responsible for an estimated 783,936 deaths annually, including 106,000 deaths from adverse drug reactions, 98,000 from medical errors, and 88,000 from infection; and those figures were conservative, since no more than 20 percent of iatrogenic (doctor- or drug-caused) mishaps are ever reported.

There are more natural, less invasive alternatives, but most are not covered by insurance; and even such simple remedies as healthy organic food may be too expensive for people forced to use a major portion of their incomes for medical insurance. A true public option of the Medicare-for-all variety could have solved the problem by keeping health care affordable. If other industrialized countries can find the money for a national health service, we could too. For a model, we could follow the lead of Canada, which originally obtained the funds for its national health service from its own publicly-owned central bank. But that will be the subject of another article. Stay tuned.

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I believe that Obama renegged on his promise to make it possible

for Americans to get their drugs from Canada and Mexico and cut a deal with

big pharma to make it illegal.

He did this in exchange for their support of this legislation.

Anybody know if that is on the final bill?

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You can get your drugs from Canada as long as your doctor will order them but I think they may allow the insurance companies to avoid paying for them Undecided

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I really don't think any of the senators who vote for this bill have a clue what's in it.  They know what they were told was in it, but nobody will know till we see a final copy of the bill.  The house-senate conference commitee could change it entirely.  All I know is that it will cost us money we don't really have.

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Excerpt from the article quoted above by DrKrbyLuv:

Rather than focusing on making health care affordable, the bills focus on how to force people either to buy health insurance if they don’t have it, or to pay more for it if they do. If you don’t have insurance and don’t purchase it, you will be subject to a hefty fine. And if you do purchase it, premiums, co-pays, co-insurance payments and deductibles are liable to keep health care cripplingly expensive. Most of the people who don't have health care can't afford to pay the deductibles, so they will never use the plans they are forced to buy.  

To subsidize those who can’t pay, the Senate bill would make families earning two to four times the poverty level who don’t have employer-sponsored insurance surrender 8% to 12% of their income to insurance payments, or pay a fine. In another effort to make the insurance payments “affordable,” the Senate bill calls for the lowest cost plan to cover only sixty percent of health care costs.

“In other words,” writes Dr. Andrew Coates in a November 23 article, “a guarantee of insurance industry dominance and the continued privatization of health care in every arena.”

There are many reasons to oppose this multi-thousand-page, industry-drafted horror of a health bill -- the most important ones being moral and constitutional. However, let me focus for a moment on the narrow question of its economic impact.

According to the Congressional budget analysis, the health bill is supposed to pay for itself. Given an unbroken track record of grossly underestimating the cost of government health programs, starting with Medicare and Medicaid more than 40 years ago, this latest 'deficit neutral' claim has no credibility. But just for the purpose of discussion, let's assume it's true.

As the quoted article states, ObamaCare doesn't "give" anyone anything. Every benefit it contains has to be paid for. For households that are currently uninsured, the cost of buying health insurance at federal gunpoint can easily run 10, 15, even 20 thousand dollars a year. Not only are such astronomical sums enough to displace ALL discretionary spending by these unlucky families -- but also, for a large minority, the unmanageable health coverage expense will push these families into default on consumer debt, and even foreclosure.

In its cockeyed wisdom, Congress has provided a way out for these strapped families -- they can forego health coverage and be fined. The fines are not small -- in fact, they are larger than the 'stimulus checks' mailed out last year.

Another source of revenue is increased taxes on those who already have health plans. Employers will simply pass on these new health insurance taxes in the price of their goods and services. Individuals paying more for health coverage will, perforce, cut back on discretionary spending.

Add it all up, and what do you get? Answer: the opposite of fiscal stimulus -- namely, a massive fiscal drag of higher taxes and higher insurance costs, which will displace other consumer spending.

You'd think our Keynesian overlords would recognize the implications of the huge fiscal drag they're imposing. But since they don't, I will spell them out right here. The date ObamaCare goes fully into effect -- Jan. 2013 or Jan. 2014 are the current proposals -- is the date the next recession starts. Write it down on your calendar -- in ink.

Note that these proposed dates fall into the next presidential term. Have the Obamunites, realizing that their deeply unpopular leader is likely to be a one-termer, booby-trapped the next president with a recession scheduled to blow up in her face as she takes office? Don't scoff -- it happened to G.W. Bush in 2001, and again to B.H. Obama in 2009. Needless to say, political parties slinging the rotting carcass of the U.S. economy at each other with catapults are playing with fire. The probability of popular revolt under their cavalier, demented leadership is not negligible.

 

 

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Machinehead.  Next recession in 2014? Don't worry we will be toast way before then from the failure of the treasury auction of tbills sometime in 2010.

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