On being weaned

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On being weaned

Slowly at first, the doors of perception begin to open. Through the portals is glimpsed a reflection of a new consciousness. In reality; I stumble around a dark landscape. The brightest lights often just reveal a complex
concrete jungle while the softest glow can reveal a truth of incredible beauty. This pockmarked landscape contains black holes of detail from which no sentient being will ever emerge. Throw in 'cognitive dissonance' and you pretty much have it.

The beauty of the current times is that so much is up for grabs. Nothing is certain so all sorts of  weird stuff can get a good look in. So this post is to indulge my  love of philosophy in the hope that some poor misguided fools may engage.

Ok, a few words; growth, civilisation, addiction, authority and systems.
Does the failure of so many systems reflect badly on systems per se? Yes
How about authority? Yes
Is civilisation heading back to where it came from? Yes

Some of the softest glows for me are these;
Daniel Quinn particularly in his book 'beyond civilization'. To paraphrase; He says we need not new programs of old visions but new visions without programs. He suggests that just as monkeys live in troupes, lions in prides, birds in flocks, deer in herds, humans live naturally in tribes. Civilisation is the anomaly that has repeatedly failed and looks like doing so again.

more recently I have discovered Charles Eisenstein
http://www.realitysandwich.com/money_and_turning_age. He describes how every area of human life has been invaded by money to the extent that the human domain is now saturated with no room left for growth.

On addictions See http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4240

The title for this post comes from a recognition that I/ we have been succoured on the breast of money for many generations past. It seemed just a medium of exchange but has grown into something so complex, distorted and cancerous. So how shall we ever be weaned? Is our mother (earth) about to do this for us or are we finally to do it for ourselves?

Don

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Re: On being weaned

Hi Don,

 

thanks for the post, I see LETS (Local Exchange Trading Systems) as a good way to help us in the transition - to wean ourselves off growth and usury:

 

 

cheers,

 

Crash 

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Re: On being weaned

weaned = 

 

Feeding ourselves

Entertaining ourselves 

Making do with less (and enjoying it more?)

Figuring out what has real value and what's worthless 

Waking up

 

nb:  this list is by no means complete and should not be used as a sole source for ascertaining whether or not you are weaned, can be weaned or ever should be weaned.  Your weanage may vary.  Not responsible for over-, under-, non- or mal-weaning.  All that can be guaranteed is that the Teat is going away, possibly soon, and you have to figure out what you're going to do about it.   

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In winter sleeping,

dreaming now thaws to hoping,

beginning anew.

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Crash wrote:

thanks for the post, I see LETS (Local Exchange Trading Systems) as a good way to help us in the transition - to wean ourselves off growth and usury:

Also along those lines are trying to make do buying only used goods. Another great way is to donate and obtain your used goods via Freecycle. Check it out if it's in your area http://www.freecycle.org or Full Circles groups (in Canada) at http://www.fullcircles.org/

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The ideas expressed in this thread are packed by weight, not volume. Some settling may occur in transit, heh, heh. No disrespect intended. Let's keep our sense of humor.

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Re: On being weaned

Crash - thanks - free trade without money is a hopeful activity and maybe an example of a system that works?

SagerXX - feeding ourselves will do for weaning the rest are milestones of growth

ccpetersmd - thanks for the positivity. I am on the other side of the planet - going into winter. May have to wait longer.

Ruhh - thanks for the diversity of trades without money

BSV - thanks - I think. Hope it is beginning to settle here. Keep your humour too.

Don

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I find it interesting to consider how things might change simply from severe inflation, as seems unavoidable. For example, nearly all of my surgical services are reimbursed at set rates which are defined by various insurance companies and the government, and are very slow to change. If inflation reaches the point where the dollar has only half the purchasing power it does today, and recognizing that the dollar amount I receive for services will not change, I can imagine making the decision to simply not offer certain services anymore. As inflation worsens further, other services might be dropped. (These are for elective services only, by the way, I'd still do what is necessary to protect life and limb, regardless of financial reimbursement; as I already do, for the uninsured, for example.) At some point, I would likely stop participating in those insurance plans that reimburse the least, and eventually, drop all insurance plans? Do I at that point ask for payment in gold or silver, or chickens? As a business owner, with five employees, how do I also ensure that the people working for me are receiving adequate compensation in an inflationary environment?

I realize that I am privileged, that I enjoy a higher income than many, and that for those who work for an hourly wage, or an annual salary, the overall situation is the similar, but more dire. I'm focusing on healthcare, not because it is more important than other areas, but because it is most familiar to me.

If the economic crisis progresses in ways most of us expect it to, it will unravel much of the business infrastructure that we currently take for granted. In healthcare, this might finally result in massive overhaul, if not outright destruction, of the insurance industry, which some would say is long overdue. Pharmaceutical companies, also, I think would have to radically change their business practice.

In the end, I could imagine a largely agrarian society, with local trade zones, bartering, etc. And, I can imagine ways in which healthcare might function in such a situation.  It is the process of getting from now to then that is mind-boggling. Weaning is typically a difficult process, and I can imagine it will be so this time. 

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Re: On being weaned

not to worry chris you will soon be an employee of the central gov.

barry will take care of you and everyone else. why people now are no longer worried about their mortgages and putting gas in their cars.

the transition is really quite simple we go back to a gov. of the people by the people and for the people, in other words we all end up working for the gov.

it is a great system where everyone is equal except some are more equal.

dont worry be happy

joe

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I think surgical specialists like myself will be increasingly employed by hospitals in the near term, and we are already seeing more of that happening, but I don't know if I see that being a long term solution, although perhaps it will be.
I did my time as a government employee, in the Army for nine years, and I don't think I want to do that, again. 
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Ruhh wrote:

http://www.freecycle.org or Full Circles groups (in Canada) at http://www.fullcircles.org/

 

Thanks Ruhh,

 

Freecycle is great, recently we have aquired a shed, a wheel barrow, a cold-frame, about 100 plant pots and about 1 ton of manure off Freecycle.

 

Wicked. all I need now is for someone to give away their old garden for free...Laughing

 

about a hectare wil do. Anyone? 

 

crash 

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Re: On being weaned

I don't envy your situation Christopher. But I wouldn't discount continuing deflation.

My understanding of money says that it only gets real when people are prepared to work for it. Changing the ownership or location of goods is trivial and does almost nothing in reality. Similarly printing money does nothing but fill computers until people work more (in the belief that money will be of value to them). Inflation occurs when more people do with less money to go around and deflation when less people do with more money to go around. Therefore inflation will only come about when people do more or more people do (for money). That does not look likely in even the medium term as people are doing less for money. All the rest of money seems to be a game whose rules can change at the whim of those who believe themselves to be in control; the evidence that this is so is mounting almost daily in our present circumstances.

It is most unfortunate that people are so indocrinated in the culture of money that they will deny their needs and maybe even starve for the sake of that culture. I guess force has some roll to play in their reasoning but still suspect that the culture itself is primary.

I agree that government, while increasing in influence at present, will become increasingly irrelevent to the local situations of people if and when it is forced to rapidly contract. Unfed troops will not remain loyal for long and unfed civil serveants for even less time.  Many possible/ probable circumstances can bring this situation about.

Don

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