American Capitalism Gone With a Whimper

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American Capitalism Gone With a Whimper

LewRockwell.com - Stanislav Mishin's article originally appeared in Pravda, excerpts below:

It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American descent into Marxism is happening with breathtaking speed, against the backdrop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blinds the foolish.

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Weimar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

These past two weeks have been the most breathtaking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beaten our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?

These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.

So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western-sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.

The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker. 

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Interesting how he thinks that marxism was created by capitalists, lol.

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Zombie210 said:

Interesting how he thinks that marxism was created by capitalists, lol.

I think you may have misunderstood what Stanislav Mishin wrote as I don't see that statement.  He did say that "we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists" - maybe this is what you meant?

There is much evidence to support the claim that Wall Street helped bring on the Russian Revolution of 1917 with the intent of promoting communism.  At first, this may seem a contradiction as Wall Street is often thought to be the mecca for capitilism.  There are a number of books on the subject, for example Wall Street & the Bolshevik Revolution by Antony Sutton.

Here are some excerpts from the book, which may be downloaded for free as a .pdf file or viewed in html:

The national socialist (for example, the fascist) and the international socialist (for example, the Communist) both recommend totalitarian politico-economic systems based on naked, unfettered political power and individual coercion. Both systems require monopoly control of society. While monopoly control of industries was once the objective of J. P. Morgan and J. D. Rockefeller, by the late nineteenth century the inner sanctums of Wall Street understood that the most efficient way to gain an unchallenged monopoly was to "go political" and make society go to work for the monopolists — under the name of the public good and the public interest. This strategy was detailed in 1906 by Frederick C. Howe in his Confessions of a Monopolist Howe, by the way, is also a figure in the story of the Bolshevik Revolution.

Therefore, an alternative conceptual packaging of political ideas and politico-economic systems would be that of ranking the degree of individual freedom versus the degree of centralized political control. Under such an ordering the corporate welfare state and socialism are at the same end of the spectrum. Hence we see that attempts at monopoly control of society can have different labels while owning common features.

Consequently, one barrier to mature understanding of recent history is the notion that all capitalists are the bitter and unswerving enemies of all Marxists and socialists. This erroneous idea originated with Karl Marx and was undoubtedly useful to his purposes. In fact, the idea is nonsense. There has been a continuing, albeit concealed, alliance between international political capitalists and international revolutionary socialists — to their mutual benefit. This alliance has gone unobserved largely because historians — with a few notable exceptions — have an unconscious Marxian bias and are thus locked into the impossibility of any such alliance existing. The open-minded reader should bear two clues in mind: monopoly capitalists are the bitter enemies of laissez-faire entrepreneurs; and, given the weaknesses of socialist central planning, the totalitarian socialist state is a perfect captive market for monopoly capitalists, if an alliance can be made with the socialist powerbrokers.

This is also a story reflecting the betrayal of the Russian Revolution. The tsars and their corrupt political system were ejected only to be replaced by the new powerbrokers of another corrupt political system. Where the United States could have exerted its dominant influence to bring about a free Russia it truckled to the ambitions of a few Wall Street financiers who, for their own purposes, could accept a centralized tsarist Russia or a centralized Marxist Russia but not a decentralized free Russia. And the reasons for these assertions will unfold as we develop the underlying and, so far, untold history of the Russian Revolution and its aftermath.

Documents in the State Department files demonstrate that the National City Bank, controlled by Stillman and Rockefeller interests, and the Guaranty Trust, controlled by Morgan interests, jointly raised substantial loans for the belligerent Russia before U.S. entry into the war, and that these loans were raised alter the State Department pointed out to these firms that they were contrary to international law. Further, negotiations for the loans were undertaken through official U.S. government communications facilities under cover of the top-level "Green Cipher" of the State Department (file 861.51/110).

Hope this info is helpful...

Larry

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It is interesting thanks, after checking the amazon page and discusing the book with some people who have read it, this response I'm cutting and pasting from the amazon page seems indicative of their opinion.

"Anthony C. Sutton is a libertarian conspiracy theorist whose book "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" argues that the Bolsheviks were financed by foreign powers, such as Germany, and then by the capitalists that supposedly were their opponents. Sutton believes that the Wall Street bankers and US monopolists wanted Russia to become a huge "captive market", and that the Communist regime made this possible.

The question of contacts between Bolsheviks and capitalist groups is surely an interesting one. Indeed, I dont think any serious historian denies that such contacts existed. But why did they exist? To what extent? And was it really a "conspiracy" in the sense conspiracy theorists believe? After all, there are always strange bedfellows in politics. What about the CIA and one Usama bin-Laden?

My main objection to this book is that it contains several pretty elementary factual errors, and a number of absurd interpretations. This makes the book highly problematic, perhaps even worthless, as source material. The authors research has been sloppy, so why should we trust him on anything? I therefore recommend customers to buy other books on Russian history. If you want to buy this one, do it simply because of interest in conspiracy theory, not out of interest in the actual issues covered.

http://www.amazon.com/Street-Bolshevik-Revolution-Antony-Sutton/product-...

"If a paper back version selling for $6.95 ever comes out, then and only then could I recommend spending any money on it."

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The question of contacts between Bolsheviks and capitalist groups is surely an interesting one. Indeed, I dont think any serious historian denies that such contacts existed. But why did they exist? To what extent?

Agreed, no serious historian would deny the connections - but yet you seem to dismiss it as a "conspiracy theory."  At least you are half way correct - it was a conspiracy.  You suggest the book "contains several pretty elementary factual errors, and a number of absurd interpretations" but yet you don't specify any examples.

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Larry,

thanks for the link-up with this writer. My thoughts are that a mainstay of CM.com is with Ed Griffins Jekyll Island and I'm studying his work with an open mind. Therefore, even though my opening gambit is with Wikipedia, I'm throwing in a link to their article on Anthony Sutton, where they wrote :-

*snippet*

" Antony Cyril Sutton (February 14, 1925 - June 17, 2002) was a British-born economist, historian, and writer. He studied at the universities of London, Goettingen and California and received his D.Sc. degree from University of Southampton, England. He was an economics professor at California State University Los Angeles and a research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution from 1968 to 1973. During his time at the Hoover Institute he wrote the major study Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development (in three volumes), detailing how the West played a major role in developing Soviet Union from its very beginnings up until the present time (1970). He was forced out of the Hoover Institute after publishing National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union in 1973. "

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton

... with issue's being raised on this site covering vast corruption in plain site that beggar belief with the scope and size of it, I'm wondering why a man in his late 40's, in a stable career would have balked at the system so dramatically, unless he'd truly uncovered something he could do nothing but publish ...

... I'm digging ......

Best,

Paul

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I also found this within the link, which is of interest :-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_war_economy

...right along with this interview with Noam Chomsky :-

http://www.counterpunch.org/merlin07312004.html

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Paul,

Thanks for Sutton's bio, he's no lightweight.  His credentials lift the information several rungs up the credibility ladder.

A problem is that many people in the west do not study history.  Instead they buy into a "revised and cleansed" history that is fed through TV, movies and printed articles.  Instead of fidelity to truth; our society seeks the affirmation and reassurance from the group.  

This is changing however.  I have noticed more and more people investigating history in a quest to discover what the heck is really going on.  This is very encouraging, as people come to understand the "who" and "why" they will also discover that we have the power to simply say no - the curve ball being that many people must say "no" together.

Larry

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DrKrbyLuv wrote:

Zombie210 said:

The question of contacts between Bolsheviks and capitalist groups is surely an interesting one. Indeed, I dont think any serious historian denies that such contacts existed. But why did they exist? To what extent?

Agreed, no serious historian would deny the connections - but yet you seem to dismiss it as a "conspiracy theory."  At least you are half way correct - it was a conspiracy.  You suggest the book "contains several pretty elementary factual errors, and a number of absurd interpretations" but yet you don't specify any examples.

Okay, first off as I indicated in my post that was someone elses review, I didn`t have the time to find,buy and read the book right after your post. :)

I don't know personally of any errors, I have several friends on and offline who dismiss it as a serious work however and thats what I based my response on.

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Larry,

this kind of takes me back to my school days. When I was about 10 years old, a new kid arrived from 'up north'. A boy that towered over us all and was a loud mouth bully who always got his own way, was, as usual, pushing one of the younger kids around. Baz, who was pint sized, strolled up to this kid and hit him squarely in the mouth. He didn't do it for glory, he did it it because it needed to be done. He quietly strolled back into the crowd. We simply need more like him ...

Indoctrinated group think ... just like the playground ... frozen into acceptance ... and then ...

Take from this metaphor what you will ......

Best,

Paul

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Lol, now that is a damn good subtle insult, if it was directed at me that is. ;)

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No Zombie,

... it was being written whilst you posted and was in no way directed toward you ...

Re-read Larry's second paragraph and the Chomsky article in my other post and you'll see what was inferred ...

Peace,

Paul

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i agree ..............without a fight

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Zombie210 - sorry for jumping on you...sometimes I'm a wise a** (I'm trying to improve).  You practiced what I preach; that is that everyone should be skeptical, but open minded, in accepting information as knowledge.

Larry

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Permanent War Economy

Ummm ... " ... *%$#^&@% !!! ... "

... let me clarify ... ... (note to author - "must not write when tired")

Stanislav Mishin' wrote :-

" First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather than the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas than the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonald's burger or a Burger King burger than for their constitutional rights. "

Antony Sutton Wrote :-

" Consequently, one barrier to mature understanding of recent history is the notion that all capitalists are the bitter and unswerving enemies of all Marxists and socialists. This erroneous idea originated with Karl Marx and was undoubtedly useful to his purposes. In fact, the idea is nonsense. There has been a continuing, albeit concealed, alliance between international political capitalists and international revolutionary socialists — to their mutual benefit. This alliance has gone unobserved largely because historians — with a few notable exceptions — have an unconscious Marxian bias and are thus locked into the impossibility of any such alliance existing. The open-minded reader should bear two clues in mind: monopoly capitalists are the bitter enemies of laissez-faire entrepreneurs; and, given the weaknesses of socialist central planning, the totalitarian socialist state is a perfect captive market for monopoly capitalists, if an alliance can be made with the socialist power brokers. "

Larry Wrote :- (second paragraph)

" A problem is that many people in the west do not study history.  Instead they buy into a "revised and cleansed" history that is fed through TV, movies and printed articles.  Instead of fidelity to truth; our society seeks the affirmation and reassurance from the group. "

Noam Chomsky Wrote ( ... *for example* ...)

" This illustration of abject servility to power is not, regrettably, unique. But the spectacle is particularly disgusting when the world's most powerful state crushes under its boot, once again, the poorest country in the hemisphere, as it has been doing in one or another way for 200 years, at first in understandable fear of a rebellion that established the first free country of free men right next door to a leading slave state, and on to the present. It is a depressing illustration of how a highly disciplined intellectual class can re-frame even the most depraved actions as yet another opportunity for self-adulation. "

I wrote :-

" This kind of takes me back to my school days. When I was about 10 years old, a new kid arrived from 'up north'. A boy that towered over us all and was a loud mouth bully who always got his own way, was, as usual, pushing one of the younger kids around. Baz, who was pint sized, strolled up to this kid and hit him squarely in the mouth. He didn't do it for glory, he did it it because it needed to be done. He quietly strolled back into the crowd. We simply need more like him ... "

Mishin, Sutton, Chomsky and even 'Little Baz' have been 'toughing it out' trying to tell you something. Maybe a dead comedian could shed some light on this ... ??? :-

... and the audience laughed at the gravity of their predicament and yet they still stayed with the program ...

...wouldn't it be great if our busy lives could be stilled enough to study all of the things we 'need' to learn and 'un'-learn all the trash we take as wrote. Sadly there isn't a single 2 hour film that compiles all facts in one fixed rushing and defining answer. There are 10 weeks of hours of applied reading in what comes of the future to gain an inch of clarity. It's out there, for now, if you fish ...

... but we've one slight teeny weeny problem to deal with. Looking back at the 'Tea Party's' earlier this year, the fabric of a single force was spattered into 1000's of little groups of decenter's who weren't unified. They're separated through conflicting ideologies, infiltrated and stalled through media with all of its forms and weapons of choice. We've learned to question fact and argue amongst each other to such a frenzied pitch, we don't only become just the victim, we're our own jailer ...

... most sad is the realisation that without enough people gathered in equal belief, there isn't a whole lot of good you can do with all the knowledge you gain about the way the world has been designed as to how you live ... time though to collect your thoughts ...

Critical thinking sure as hell helps. Learning fact's no matter how much the bitter pill also means standing behind your knowledge and defending it. That's why most read here, to clarify a lifetimes worth of collective force-fed bullsh*t and bin it.

*... stepping back and drawing head firmly back in shell ...*

Best,

Paul

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Bravo Paul.  The sad fact is that not only have we been dumbed down but many seem perversely proud of the fact, as if ignorance and stupidity were a virtue.  Unfortunately, the average person nowadays seems unable to think their way out of a wet paper bag. 

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Our future:  "IDIOCRACY"

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1031574016/tt0387808

Sure glad I won't be here.

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Vanityfox451 wrote:

No Zombie,

... it was being written whilst you posted and was in no way directed toward you ...

Re-read Larry's second paragraph and the Chomsky article in my other post and you'll see what was inferred ...

Peace,

Paul

No problem Paul, I was just kidding anyway.

And Larry, also no worries, its okay. I'm just a skeptical bastard by nature, just ask cloudfire. ;)

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Zombie210 said:

The question of contacts between Bolsheviks and capitalist groups is surely an interesting one. Indeed, I dont think any serious historian denies that such contacts existed. But why did they exist? To what extent?

Agreed, no serious historian would deny the connections - but yet you seem to dismiss it as a "conspiracy theory."  At least you are half way correct - it was a conspiracy.  You suggest the book "contains several pretty elementary factual errors, and a number of absurd interpretations" but yet you don't specify any examples.

I'd like to see those factual errors myself. I want to see the affirmative and the negation of this argument so that I can make an informed assessment.

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Pete In Florida said - I'd like to see those factual errors myself. I want to see the affirmative and the negation of this argument so that I can make an informed assessment.

Pete, here a couple sources for "affirmation" -

  1. COMMUNITY (COMMUNIST) ORIENTED POLICING - Short primer (9 pages), I recommend it as a great starting point.

Excerpt - The terms “communism,” “socialism,” “Marxism,” “New World Order,” etc., may be worn out and abandoned.  The names change, because deception is one of the rules of the game.  Many erroneously believe that the cold war is over and that we actually won.  But the revolution is still very much alive and America is losing.  The culture war is raging in our schools, our workplaces, our media and our churches.  

  • The consensus (dialectric) process
    • “A philosophy founded by Karl Marx… which forms the basis of Communist doctrine: it combines the materialistic idea of matter over mind with the Hegalian dialectic in which opposing forces are constantly being reunited at a higher level.” --Webster Dictionary 
      But that definition might beg the question, “What is the Hegelian dialectic?” For modern man, the answer to that question is epic. The Hegelian dialectic has profoundly impacted the world in which you live.
  • What is communism?
  • The Cold War.  Where is the battlefield?
  • The Marxist Trojan Horse
  • Community Policing, what is it?
  1. Video - Vladimir Bukovsky spent many years in Russian labour camps and psychiatric prisons for defending human rights. He came to Britain in 1976. He lectures and writes on the old Soviet system and the EU.  The above article will make the video easier to understand.

Good luck in your research,

Larry

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DrKrbyLuv wrote:

Zombie210 said:

The question of contacts between Bolsheviks and capitalist groups is surely an interesting one. Indeed, I dont think any serious historian denies that such contacts existed. But why did they exist? To what extent?

Agreed, no serious historian would deny the connections - but yet you seem to dismiss it as a "conspiracy theory."  At least you are half way correct - it was a conspiracy.  You suggest the book "contains several pretty elementary factual errors, and a number of absurd interpretations" but yet you don't specify any examples.

I'd like to see those factual errors myself. I want to see the affirmative and the negation of this argument so that I can make an informed assessment.

Well, I'm not going to add another book to my to be read pile so I can't really offer a point by point rebutall. I was basing my opinion on the reviews of others, some of whom I trust and highly respect. So perhaps I'll bow outa this debate. ;)

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