1 killed, 19 injured as car plows into crowd near Unite the Right rally site

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1 killed, 19 injured as car plows into crowd near Unite the Right rally site

1 killed, 19 injured as car plows into crowd near Unite the Right rally site

Okay, so a bunch of literal white supremacists, complete with Nazi salutes and an occasional swastika, had a rally last night. They were mocked roundly on the left for being rectums and on the right for being idiots, but it was a stupid rally with a few dozen jerks carrying tiki torches and mugging for the cameras. Someone has suggested that protestors are all LARPing for the cameras and there may be some truth to that. 

Bear in mind that it is Very Easy to call conservatives "evil." In fact they are free-speech purists and want everyone to be heard--communist, conservative, libertarian, pro-gun. anti-gun, pro-drug legalization, anti-drug legalization... but when they say even "those people" (whoever it is) should speak, they seem to get tarred with the brush of "oh, then you agree with them."

Whatever happened to, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."?

Today, things got nasty. Deadly. I understand that the planned Unite the Right rally today was a protest against Cornell West speaking at The University of Virginia. I'm all for peaceful protest but this went off the rails. People with rifles in cammo were facing of with the clergy. A car plowed through the counter protest, killing 1 and wounding 19. 

Let's discuss this, because--to me--it has all the hallmarks of a false flag operation. I'm a conservative and I've been painted with the same brush for so long I can tell you exactly how this incident fits the mainstream "narrative." Every single time there is some sort of terrorist attack or mad gunman, the media assumes it was a conservative and almost always it was either a mentally ill person or  someone who was motivated by leftist ideology or Islam or whatever else. 

I deplore this action, and stand for peaceful protest and the rule of law. But I fear this will be used as an excuse to give people like me an undeserved hard time. 

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This is the kind of image that does not go away.

The men with the guns are not police. 

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Why do you say that Wendy?

It really doesn't a nerve with me.

 

just wondering.

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get that license plate?

 

 

Don't know if this is true yet--all news may be fake news--but here is, possibly, the driver, item (taken down) maybe pulled because of his age. But who knows. Maybe the car is stolen. There are reports are that the driver did not look like him but nowadays I think all news is not trustworthy unless if comes from multiple sources and is verified. Supposedly they driver is in police custody. I hope so. 

This is evil, no matter who did it. 

And--oh, no, a police helicopter at the scene just crashed, killing two officers. 

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Why do you say that Wendy?

It really doesn't a nerve with me.

 

just wondering.

 

In 2015 I was part of a huge defamation in my industry for going against the rather liberal narrative, It was a bunch of us trying to get honesty and fairness --called Sad Puppies 3 (long story). I was demonized along with the rest of us. We were accused of things we did not say or do, worse than the Google memo guy who just got fired, within my publishing genre. Absolute lies were published in coordination in about 15 mainstream publications, one so egregious (in Entertainment Weekly)  we had to threaten defamation suits to get it taken down, the rest using weasel words to avoid lawsuits but with the same content.  One of us (author Larry Correia) was dubbed a rape-apologist (on John Scalzi's blog, which is one of the most-read blogs in the world) . Not true at all. 

Even since then I don't trust the mainstream press. I was on the inside, and the reporting on what I knew was 360 degrees from the truth. I'm not a racist, misogynist, white supremacist and neither is a female black friend they attacked in a similar manner. 

Similarly, when horrible things happen, the knee-jerk first reaction in the mainstream press often is that it must have been Tea Partiers, or Trump supporters. You know, the right. 

  • When Gabby Giffords got shot in Arizona? Sarah Palin somehow had a logo on her website with some map in some crosshairs. That supposedly angered the shooter and he went nuts shooting people at a shopping center. (But the shooter was a leftist. He’d never been to Sarah Palin’s website.) This "crosshairs" thing was recently brought up again by the NY Times and they are getting sued over it. 
  • The Dark Knight Rises shooting in Aurora, Colorado? Brian Ross of ABC News, at first, blamed it on the Tea Party. With no evidence.
  • It's been going on for a long time. The press tried to say it was the right and the climate they created in Dallas that got JFK shot. Lee Harvey Oswald was anything but right wing. 

I could come up with 20 examples, but I'm tired. Sorry if I come across as a little cynical, but I've had cause. 

 

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another casualty.

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Wendy S. Delmater wrote:

Let's discuss this, because--to me--it has all the hallmarks of a false flag operation.

What on earth would possibly give you that idea?

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Deja vu, Mein Fuhrer?

Re: Charlottesville:

Trump added: “What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order.”

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You can lay the blame squarely at the feet of the war monger in chief, who wants his supporters to think he is 'at war' with the deep state while he pits his more radical supporters against either liberal 'snow flakes' (talk about mischaracterizing the many based on a few) or anyone who isn't from the same teeny tiny white gene puddle as them.

The person who shot Gabby Giffords was not a 'leftist'. He was a radical pro-gun individual with a serious mental problem.  

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Richard Painter

http://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/richard-painter-this-is-the-face-of-fa...

Painter's contributions begin about 1:05 in.

Life long Republican and former ethics lawyer for the Bush II administration Richard Painter on what he sees in the White House.  I think he is right and this whole thing was predictable two years ago in general if not in detail.  POTUS and his alt-right advisors have emboldened the white supremacists/neonazis/KKK, etc.  Trump has cleared the swamp and, in the words of one wag, installed it in a golden hot tub in the White House.  This is increasingly dangerous stuff.  The only relevant question is what is to be done.

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From where I sit, we have a choice between voting for upper middle class lawyer-weasels who are looking to make it big after "public service" from jobs at banks, big pharma, or defense-industrial complex (i.e. democrats and republicans) or voting for a billionaire who can't be bribed in that way (to the infinite regret of the bipartisan corruption machine already in place) but who has a whole vast array of other faults.

[Stretch-goal for the aspiring lawyer-weasel: start a foundation, get a high-profile government job, and then solicit foreign governments to shovel money in.]

Perhaps you want to go back to the infinitely-corruptible (bipartisan) lawyer-weasels.  They are comfortingly predictable, at least, so there is that.  [Hello Mike Pence!]

The corruption machine doesn't like Trump, because he doesn't provide them their usual levers of control.  As a result, when the MSM (which appears to be a tool wielded by the corruption machine) heaps blame on Trump for "emboldening neo-nazis" I am unimpressed.

Trump is his own kind of weasel, but suggesting that he be removed from power in some sort of soft coup will make kingmakers of the deep state - who would certainly be happy to step into that role.  Let's say that happens.  How might that work out going forward?

History is a decent guide here.  Reviewing the Roman Empire: once you ask the Praetorian Guard to remove the Emperor once...it happens again, and again, and again...and pretty soon, the leader of the Guard starts promoting himself to Emperor.  Why not?

Endless civil wars are an unpleasant and unintended consequence.

So be careful what you wish for.  You might just get it.

My suggestion: let the cycle play out.  We have Presidential elections every 4 years.  I'd prefer the Praetorian Guard stay in the barracks.

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davefairtex wrote:

From where I sit, we have a choice between voting for upper middle class lawyer-weasels who are looking to make it big after "public service" from jobs at banks, big pharma, or defense-industrial complex (i.e. democrats and republicans) or voting for a billionaire who can't be bribed in that way (to the infinite regret of the bipartisan corruption machine already in place) but who has a whole vast array of other faults.

[Stretch-goal for the aspiring lawyer-weasel: start a foundation, get a high-profile government job, and then solicit foreign governments to shovel money in.]

Perhaps you want to go back to the infinitely-corruptible (bipartisan) lawyer-weasels.  They are comfortingly predictable, at least, so there is that.  [Hello Mike Pence!]

The corruption machine doesn't like Trump, because he doesn't provide them their usual levers of control.  As a result, when the MSM (which appears to be a tool wielded by the corruption machine) heaps blame on Trump for "emboldening neo-nazis" I am unimpressed.

Trump is his own kind of weasel, but suggesting that he be removed from power in some sort of soft coup will make kingmakers of the deep state - who would certainly be happy to step into that role.  Let's say that happens.  How might that work out going forward?

History is a decent guide here.  Reviewing the Roman Empire: once you ask the Praetorian Guard to remove the Emperor once...it happens again, and again, and again...and pretty soon, the leader of the Guard starts promoting himself to Emperor.  Why not?

Endless civil wars are an unpleasant and unintended consequence.

So be careful what you wish for.  You might just get it.

My suggestion: let the cycle play out.  We have Presidential elections every 4 years.  I'd prefer the Praetorian Guard stay in the barracks.

 

Dave

I totally appreciate your sentiments on this. But I want to point out something that so many people seem to miss. The 'deep state' is not a monolithic entity. It is covert and its diverse nature can only be dimly discerned through its surface manifestations. The CIA is regularly described as being the Deep State. Routinely overlooked is military intelligence and the conflicts that have been going on between these clandestine operatives and CIA. I remember about a year before the election reading an article written by a respected journalist, working in Syria. He described how confusing it was for him trying to figure out who the U.S was supporting in the war, as the CIA was supporting one side and the military was supporting the opposite side, at that time. This dude had no left /right axe to grind. He was just trying to figure out what was going on. This was a red flag for me, as my area of study for the last couple of decades has been military intelligence and how it interacts with CIA, NSA and the media. The perception that Trump is outside of the deep state is, IMHO, a misperception. His way to power was paved by military intelligence (and very likely unbeknownst to him) Again, IMHO, the plan and the great deception was always to install military advisors and top dogs around him, impeach him and then have a theocratic figurehead, like Pence in charge. The coup is military and they are winning.

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Your perspective makes sense to me.  Let's see - Flynn was his primary advisor, and he was head of DIA, but - could Flynn be considered mainstream military thinking?  Maybe he was the only one willing to roll the dice on a flaky-looking Donald Trump.  And the leftover Obama people at the CIA/NSA took him out.

So if we say its Military vs CIA with NSA & homeland security in the mix somewhere, it sure does look confusing.  Flynn was pro-peace-with-Russia, which may have been uncomfortable for the mainstream military who really do need an enemy more interesting than "Terrorism."

But where do we go from here?  It would seem that a Trump Impeachment would be a victory all around for both sides of the deep state.  Which kind of suggests we should leave him in place.

Taking him out really sets a bad precedent - perhaps even as bad as the Kennedy assassination.  If they get away with it once, it will get us all used to the process.  Maybe it will then happen to someone we all like.  And that would suck.

 

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If Flynn was pro-peace with Russia, it's no wonder he's gone. The military want plenty of enemies and a big overarching enemy, like Russia, fits that bill. They can leverage off decades of red baiting propaganda, so it's easy. The CIA, don't like the competition -- and they control mainstream media.  Under Obama, the CIA were handed more military power and decision making power and now the military is trying to claw it back. 

There are NO good guys here. If Trump is impeached, Pence gets the job. At that point, you will have a military, chalk full of evangelicals, and a president who claims he has never been alone in a room with a woman, under any circumstances, except his wife. The unaffordable care act will be repealed, which will unleash funds for a great big 'holy' war with Iran.

So yeah, even uglier if the clown is impeached.  I hear you. 

 

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Why do you say that Wendy?

It really doesn't a nerve with me.

 

just wondering.

 

In 2015 I was part of a huge defamation in my industry for going against the rather liberal narrative, It was a bunch of us trying to get honesty and fairness --called Sad Puppies 3 (long story). I was demonized along with the rest of us. We were accused of things we did not say or do, worse than the Google memo guy who just got fired, within my publishing genre. Absolute lies were published in coordination in about 15 mainstream publications, one so egregious (in Entertainment Weekly)  we had to threaten defamation suits to get it taken down, the rest using weasel words to avoid lawsuits but with the same content.  One of us (author Larry Correia) was dubbed a rape-apologist (on John Scalzi's blog, which is one of the most-read blogs in the world) . Not true at all. 

Even since then I don't trust the mainstream press. I was on the inside, and the reporting on what I knew was 360 degrees from the truth. I'm not a racist, misogynist, white supremacist and neither is a female black friend they attacked in a similar manner. 

Similarly, when horrible things happen, the knee-jerk first reaction in the mainstream press often is that it must have been Tea Partiers, or Trump supporters. You know, the right. 

  • When Gabby Giffords got shot in Arizona? Sarah Palin somehow had a logo on her website with some map in some crosshairs. That supposedly angered the shooter and he went nuts shooting people at a shopping center. (But the shooter was a leftist. He’d never been to Sarah Palin’s website.) This "crosshairs" thing was recently brought up again by the NY Times and they are getting sued over it. 
  • The Dark Knight Rises shooting in Aurora, Colorado? Brian Ross of ABC News, at first, blamed it on the Tea Party. With no evidence.
  • It's been going on for a long time. The press tried to say it was the right and the climate they created in Dallas that got JFK shot. Lee Harvey Oswald was anything but right wing. 

I could come up with 20 examples, but I'm tired. Sorry if I come across as a little cynical, but I've had cause. 

 

 

Wendy, Nobody pays attention to the mainstream anymore. People are reading right wing alternative media now. It is just as biased.  And the official mainstream explanation of Lee Harvey Oswald's as assassin has been handily destroyed by those who have given the subject more than a cursory glance. 

 

And, as I mentioned in another post, there is no way the fellow who shot Gabby Gifford is a 'leftist.'  He was a pro-gun individual who had a mental problem.

 

Those claiming victim hood based on race or class or political orientation when they are white, middle class and Christian are a curiosity.  Perhaps seeing the world as a black man, forced to accept a plea bargain, through the bars of a private prison, would help.  Maybe get to know some prisoners or their spouses and they can fill you in on what real injustice looks and feels like.  

 

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Bad day in C'ville

One person's perspective on this last weekend--

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It is pretty easy to see the "hate" in the KKK faction that came into town to protest naming themselves as the "alt-Right."  They were itching for a fight and p*ssed off.  (It looks to me that this was not simple 'white pride' or 'conservatives.'  --my impression--admittedly mostly gleaned from TV news!!  if anyone actually present saw something different, please correct me.)

What is less obvious is the fury of the counter-protestors (the Left, GREEN Meme) and the role that the counter-protester's fury played in ramping up the conflict energies.

Below is a not often seen view of the moments the car plowed into the counter-protestors.  Notice the the way that the Left counter-protestors jumped on the car and began beating the car with clubs.  The counter-protestors already had these clubs in their hands

 

We C'ville people are feeling pretty traumatized by the events of the last weekend.  My GREEN Meme co-workers and friends (almost everyone I know) lament how the alt-Right "brought hatred to our town" and how we (the overwhelmingly GREEN Meme C'ville) "stood up for love."  But this is an oversimplification that misses the way that the fury of GREEN contributed to the fighting.

I heard the Dali Lama speak many years ago on his view of where wars come from. The Buddhist view was that wars were a "mutual arising." The fight grew from an amplifying resonance of anger energies between two parties.

The Left could have organized its counter-rally in a different location or on a different day, finding a way to speak its mind while not precipitating head bashing.

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And most of the those hurt where the ones jumping on the car as it speed backwards?  Going forward did not look very fast.

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Why do you say that Wendy?

It really doesn't a nerve with me.

 

just wondering.

 

In 2015 I was part of a huge defamation in my industry for going against the rather liberal narrative, It was a bunch of us trying to get honesty and fairness --called Sad Puppies 3 (long story). I was demonized along with the rest of us. We were accused of things we did not say or do, worse than the Google memo guy who just got fired, within my publishing genre. Absolute lies were published in coordination in about 15 mainstream publications, one so egregious (in Entertainment Weekly)  we had to threaten defamation suits to get it taken down, the rest using weasel words to avoid lawsuits but with the same content.  One of us (author Larry Correia) was dubbed a rape-apologist (on John Scalzi's blog, which is one of the most-read blogs in the world) . Not true at all. 

Even since then I don't trust the mainstream press. I was on the inside, and the reporting on what I knew was 360 degrees from the truth. I'm not a racist, misogynist, white supremacist and neither is a female black friend they attacked in a similar manner. 

Similarly, when horrible things happen, the knee-jerk first reaction in the mainstream press often is that it must have been Tea Partiers, or Trump supporters. You know, the right. 

  • When Gabby Giffords got shot in Arizona? Sarah Palin somehow had a logo on her website with some map in some crosshairs. That supposedly angered the shooter and he went nuts shooting people at a shopping center. (But the shooter was a leftist. He’d never been to Sarah Palin’s website.) This "crosshairs" thing was recently brought up again by the NY Times and they are getting sued over it. 
  • The Dark Knight Rises shooting in Aurora, Colorado? Brian Ross of ABC News, at first, blamed it on the Tea Party. With no evidence.
  • It's been going on for a long time. The press tried to say it was the right and the climate they created in Dallas that got JFK shot. Lee Harvey Oswald was anything but right wing. 

I could come up with 20 examples, but I'm tired. Sorry if I come across as a little cynical, but I've had cause. 

 

thank you!  I understand now.:)

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Stefan gets it exactly right as usual. Pity more people don't understand that you don't throw a brick into somebody's head just because you don't like their beliefs,speech or their skin color.

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I Don't Need the Snottiness of People Like Stefan

I can listen to the first 3 minutes of what he has to say and know he has nothing worthwhile to say to me, as far as I can tell.  I don't need that kind of smugness.

People that come looking for violence can usually find it if they work at it, whether they're Nazi KKK types or antifascist fighters.  The people that think that black people aren't leaned on by police in this country in an unconstitutional and undemocratic way are lying to themselves and others.  I haven't followed Chris Martenson's comments in this regard enough to know whether he is among this crew of not.  I hope he is not, and I think he has spoken up for black rights at times - I hope so.  Trump is a dumpster fire that should be put out.  He's not "the best we can do" or even remotely close to it.   Even though some things he says are true now and then, he's clearly a huge fool, and I'm amazed that this country puts up with him for a single minute.

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For another point of view check out the 20 minute clip over at Vice...

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Monument trends 8/16/17

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/16/jackson-washington-park-protest-presidents-slave-owners/

A Chicago pastor has asked the Emanuel administration to remove the names of two presidents who owned slaves from parks on the South Side, saying the city should not honor slave owners in black communities.

A bronze statue of George Washington on horseback stands at the corner of 51st and King Drive, at the northwest entrance to Washington Park.

Bishop James Dukes, pastor of Liberation Christian Center, said he wants the statue gone, and he wants George Washington’s name removed from the park.

“When I see that, I see a person who fought for the liberties, and I see people that fought for the justice and freedom of white America, because at that moment, we were still chattel slavery, and was three-fifths of humans,” he said. “Some people out here ask me, say ‘Well, you know, he taught his slaves to read.’ That’s almost sad; the equivalent of someone who kidnaps you, that you gave them something to eat.” 

Dukes said, even though Washington was the nation’s first president and led the American army in the Revolutionary War, he’s no hero to the black community.

“There’s no way plausible that we would even think that they would erect a Malcolm X statue in Mount Greenwood, Lincoln Park, or any of that. Not that say Malcolm X was a bad guy; they just would not go for it,” he said. “Native Americans would not even think about putting up a Custer statue, because of the atrocities that he plagued upon Native Americans. And for them to say to us ‘just accept it’ is actually insulting.”

The pastor also said President Andrew Jackson’s name should be removed from nearby Jackson Park, because he also was a slave owner. He said he’s not necessarily asking the city rename the parks altogether. He suggested Washington Park could be named after former Mayor Harold Washington, and Jackson Park could be named after civil rights leader Rev. Jesse Jackson or singer Michael Jackson.

https://squawker.org/culture-wars/4chan-strikes-back-against-antifa-with-operation-lenin-down/

While the AntiFa armies of the left continue to target confederate statues, those miscreants over at 4Chan have come up with a plan of their own.  Operation Lenin Down as it’s become known is an attempt to target Lenin or other Communist statues across America just as AntiFa is targeting Confederate ones.

Arguing that if the left is saying we shouldn’t be allowed statues celebrating parts of our own actual American history and heritage because they have potential negative connotations. Then why in the world should we allow statues in America of a mass murdering Russian tyrant to keep standing? With this in mind 4Chan has begun plotting how to remove or at least best alter these glorifications of Communism standing on American soil. 

This statue in liberal haven Seattle has already been singled out as a high value potential target.  It has been on display in the city since 1995 and was actually made by the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia before they rightly dumped it into the trash following the Velvet Revolution in 89.  Eventually it was found and restored by a Communist sympathizing Washington State English teacher and taken up residence in the city ever since.

Right at this moment plans are being hatched, and debates waged online over how best to deal with this blight on the Seattle landscape.  Some are advocating fighting fire with fire, and simply bringing the statue down just like AntiFa did with the Confederate one.  While others are advocating more legal methods like simply grouping money to buy the piece as its been up for sale for years.  At the oh so reasonable price of 250 thousand however, that doesn’t seem the likeliest of options. 

A general consensus that whether through legal means or not altering the statue might be more effective than simply destroying it seems to be taking hold.  Some have even suggested painting it green in honor of the great god Kek. 

Still others wants to mimic what the residents of Ukraine did to their Lenin statue some time ago.  Turning it into Darth Vader.

 

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Here in Ulaanbaatar Mongolia, the city center still has a statue of Lenin (leftover from the Communist period that ended 27 years ago) standing between the school and the street. The vast majority of citizens have zero desire to go back to any Communist system, and so not many care about Lenin or what he stood for anymore.  Despite the fact the Communist system brought on a number of atrocities and injustices here (admittedly they pale in comparison to what Ukraine and much of Eastern Europe suffered) the statue remains standing there.  Nobody seems to get all butt-hurt about it being there, and people appear to either ignore it or regard it as a quaint curiosity.  My guess as to why?  The mass media here is not nearly so pervasive or keen on creating/exacerbating minor controversies, and perhaps even more importantly I think people here have more important shit to do than getting upset about a statue whose presence that doesn't affect their daily life one iota.

Now I certainly think a community has a right to decide whether they want to remove a statue from their area (I particularly dig that Ukrainian transformation of the Lenin statue to Darth Varder).  But the level of attention and energy the news media and some people from both sides of these monument debates are putting into it is ridiculous.  What can I say... as a strategy, distraction and divide-and-conquer still works amazingly well. 

 

EDIT:  Turns out I was wrong... I haven't been to that part of town in about 5 years, and it appears it actually WAS removed shortly after I left the country that time (though the public reaction to it and its removal appeared to be limited a few hundred people watching with some of them throwing old shoes at it):

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-19940437

I guess that diminishes my main point somewhat, but at least it's still interesting to note there wasn't much controversy or public reaction over its removal.  One related point though... there does still exist the Zaisan Memorial whose murals and structure are meant to honor the history and partnership between Communist Mongolia and the Soviet Union.  It's pretty much treated as a historical curiosity and popular viewpoint to see the city, and as far as I know no one's lobbying to get rid of that.

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