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  • Sat, Mar 20, 2021 - 01:18pm

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I had a similar conversation to some mentioned this morning and my reply was ” I am one of those that read documents before I sign them and product inserts of new products, so I will wait”, That seems to stump the cheerleaders.

  • Sat, Mar 20, 2021 - 01:26pm

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    Yay or nay.

If anybody calls me to nudge me to get the vaccine, I’ll ask for their email address.

“Why do you need my email address?” they’ll ask.

I’ll say, “I want to send you my fee schedule.  I’ve got a pdf.”

“Fee schedule?” they’ll wonder.

“Yes, my rates for participating in a Stage 2 or Stage 3 vaccine trial start at $50,000, payable upfront in fiatbux or Bitcoin.  The relevant authority will also need to sign my waiver superceding their governmental waiver freeing them from any liability in case the vaccine turns out to be dangerous.  So, what’s that email address again?”

I expect at that point they hang up….

This, plus Dave F’s “Hey, call me in 2023 after all the Stage 3 trials are complete” oughta buy me some time.  I expect — if it gets this far — that by the time the vaccines prove ineffective against the swiftly-mutation coronavirus (“Nobody could have anticipated that!” — except for anybody with a decent high school biology-class education, or half a functioning sense of curiosity) — once we get to that second or third follow-up shot, even the mostly sheeply of people will get wise.  Of course, their immune system (or reproductive system) might be totally wrecked by then.

May Fortune Smile Upon Us All!

VIVA — Sager

  • Sat, Mar 20, 2021 - 01:38pm

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I was just out for a walk. I passed by two couples were next door neighbors. Both of the couples were young. I am guessing 20’s or early 30’s. They were happily discussing their plans to get the vaccine – naming pharmacies and centers were it could be gotten. They were talking lightheartedly as if getting the vaccine was a wonderful idea portending a happy future. There was no hint that any of them had looked into risks.

I didn’t say anything. I just kept walking.

But one of the women was holding a baby. It made me feel very sad. Babies implicitly trust their parents to do the right thing for them. Babies have no way to protect themselves if their parents don’t make the right decisions. They are completely helpless.

I am old and have seen a lot. I have especially seen the folly in placing blind trust in “the authorities.”

I hope things go well for these people – whom I did not know – but the whole thing made me feel very sad.

  • Sat, Mar 20, 2021 - 03:02pm

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    Yay or nay.

Great discussion! Great to hear others’ ideas and responses.

“I follow the science” is great.

For me, I may wait and consider the Novovax, but it has the interestingly named Matrix-X adjuvant, which is probably not a good thing…

Other than the recombinant nano particle technology, the insect-based production, and the soap-based adjuvant/irritant, it might be my best choice…

https://www.novavax.com/our-unique-technology

  • Sat, Mar 20, 2021 - 03:10pm

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    Yay or nay.

My primary care physician doesn’t say no to the “vaccine”, he says “hell no.”   A friend of mine is a retired infectious disease specialist who knows Dr. Fauci.  He says no for the time being.  My wife and I have also refused at present.

I ask my friends who lined up to get the “vaccine” why they got it?  Usual response, “don’t want Covid, and less chance of dying.”  When asked about the fact that the “vaccine” doesn’t prevent covid, doesn’t prevent transmission, and the fact that masks and social distancing are still required even after being  jabbed, they just get angry with me.  I’m a problem because I’ve refused to get the “vaccine.”

One of my friends’ brother is a physician.  Back in July I asked him what his brother thought about ivermectin, his brother said no way.  Today his brother’s stance has changed and that ivermectin should be considered.”   PP,  perhaps progress.

A recent new health issue has been identified…..the “experts syndrome”   Listen to the “experts” and be owned by them.  I remember my parents asking me as a child. “If Johnny jumped off a bridge are you going to jump off it too?”  My answer then and now….no.

 

  • Sat, Mar 20, 2021 - 03:15pm

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    38x higher reactions??

JimboJim

Can you tell me how you calculated this? My rough estimate has been between 10x and 100x of flue vaccine reactions. Love to have you make a post on this.

and an adverse reaction rate 38X higher than the flu shot

I know when I use VAERS, and I’m not good at it, the really serious and death reactions seem to be about one out of 2000, but hard to know the base-line of how many doses given. One of 2000 might be about 15x of a typical flue shot, I think… I’m really unsure on these numbers and want help.

  • Sat, Mar 20, 2021 - 03:20pm

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    Yay or nay.

I told Uncle Sugar no 3 times and I told my civilian employer no once. I will keep saying no. I’ve had a ton of vaccinations already for all kinds of stuff courtesy of Uncle Sugar but I’ve also had bad reactions before so, I am taking a hard pass on this one until it is fully FDA approved not some EUA letter.

  • Sat, Mar 20, 2021 - 06:14pm

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    So where do social pariahs go?

I’m asking because I need to choose a place to be for the next few years while the vaccines work out their bugs (if they ever do). Where would be the least pressure to conform and the fewest restrictions if one doesn’t? Does one make a run for it now before airlines demand vaccine certificates? But where to? Or hole up? But where? (My options are Canada or Europe, not the US, but general thoughts are also welcome).

  • Sat, Mar 20, 2021 - 06:25pm

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    Yay or nay.

Just read, today, on oregonlive.com, website of the Oregonian paper, that the vaccination rate in Oregon is falling off.  There have been issues with obtaining enough vaccines but we now have Pfizer, Moderna and J&J available and groups are being run through the process.  Vaccines available for all over age 16, by May 1.

In Oregon, our per capita infection rates have been low and less than 2,500 deaths.

I suspect, living on the West coast, we are a bit healthier than the average.  We had the hippie and back to the land movements which lead to awareness and practice of better eating habits.  Most people are out of doors a lot, runners, bikers, hikers, ranchers and farmers.  Lots of alternative medicine, chiropractic, Oriental, naturopath, herbal, homeopathy, etc. And education.

Also, independent spirit, not much trust of big government.  So, this will be fun to watch.  I’m wondering if there will be a growing bubble of resistance to the shots on the “left” coast.

  • Sat, Mar 20, 2021 - 06:35pm   (Reply to #40)

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    Yay or nay.

Canuck21,

I recently read that Tanzania and Madagascar have refused any and all vaccines.  It’s Africa, tho.

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