Worst case scenario for rural homestead security

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 01:53pm

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    thc0655

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    Worst case scenario for rural homestead security

Are you planning to survive the new Dark Age 2.0 on your well-equipped, productive, rural homestead? If so, you owe it to yourself to begin considering and preparing for this worst case scenario threat to your security and survival. It’s this scenario that caused me NOT to relocate to a rural homestead but to a town with enough people and resources to organize a robust self defense against this and other threats. FERfal and Selco, survivors of collapses in Argentina and Bosnia, both warned about this kind of threat and the vulnerability of rural homesteads.

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We move from place to place like locusts devouring everything in our path. My group is armed with light weapons and can develop and follow simple plans of attack. We take what we want by force of arms. We prefer none of our victims survive because that could cause problems for us in the future.

It has been six months since the grid went down. You and the other five members of your party have settled into what may be a long grinding existence. The every day tasks of growing and gathering have now become routine. The news from the outside is extremely limited but you don’t really miss it much. Life is simple but physically demanding.

Although things may seem stable you will need to keep your team focused and alert. This is your first and most important layer of defense. You should hold an immediate reaction drill once per week. Keep things simple. Practice a specific response to such threats as injury, fire, attack and evacuation. Despite the challenges you must maintain contact with those around you such as neighbors for vital clues that trouble is brewing. Regular monitoring the radio will be critical in providing an early warning of trouble. You may be able to safely interview refugees with risking your party. Keep in mind the information you get from them may not always be reliable.

While you have been farming I have been learning the best tactics to employ to seize your property and your goods. I have been refining them since we hit the road right after the lights went out. I have conducted eight “hits” so far and have been successful seven times. Here are some of my “lessons learned”.

Intelligence gathering and target selection is critical to my success. Targets include those who have large quantities of fuel, food and other valuable supplies. My posse is constantly questioning anyone and everyone we contact searching for this our next victim. Anyone who has ever had knowledge, even second hand, of your preparations is someone of interest to me. I may approach them directly or indirectly. If anyone knows something I will find out about it. Who seems well-fed? Who still has transportation? Who has lights? Who was prepared? Where are they exactly? Somebody talks, either in person or on the radio. They always do.

We search for victims night and day. During the day we are listening for the sounds of machinery, cars, tractors, gunfire or generators. Day or night without a lot of wind those sounds can carry for miles. At night I look for any sort of light. Even a small flash indicates somebody with electricity and that means a rich target. I always have somebody listing to the scanner for any news, leads or insecure chatter.

Operational Security is an important concept for your entire group to understand and maintain. If somebody outside your circle doesn’t have a real need to know about your plans, preparations or procedures then they shouldn’t know period. Develop a cover story and live it like was a bulletproof vest. It is no less important to your protection and survival. During an event you need to blend in with the surrounding environment. Carefully observe noise (such as generators and other engines) and light discipline especially at night. If you need to test fire weapons do it in one sequence to avoid a prolonged noise signature.

Once I find and target you reconnaissance of your retreat is my next step. Only a fool would try to rush in and try to overwhelm a group of “survivalists”. We had a bad experience with that during our second hit. Now we spend at least a day or two trying to size up a large opportunity and the best way to take it down. I will observe retreat activity from a nearby-concealed position. I will get an idea of your numbers, weapons, routines and so much more by careful surreptitious observation. If your group seems alert, I will try and trigger a false alarm with a dog or child to watch your reaction to a threat. That helps me know how you respond, where you are strong and how to attack. I may also obtain a topographical map of the area to identify likely avenues of approach and potential escapes routes you will try to use. I may coerce your neighbors into uncovering a weak spot or access point or other important intelligence. I also have a Bearcat handheld scanner. I will be listening for any insecure chatter from your radios.

Regular patrols at irregular intervals focused on likely observation points and avenues of approach could keep me at bay. You could put down sand or other soft soil in key choke points as a way of “recording” if anyone has recently traveled through the land. Dogs, with their advanced sense of hearing and smell are able to detect and alert you to intruders well in advance of any human. Motion sensing IR video cameras as a part of a security plan could play a part in your layered defense as long as you have power. A 24 hour manned observation point equipped with high quality optical tools is a must. It should be fortified and if possible concealed. It should have a weapon capable of reaching to the edges of your vision. Seismic intrusion devices, night vision and thermal imaging are phenomenal force multiplying tools. They can give you critical intelligence and warning. You should use them if you have them. Understand they are not fool proof and I can often neutralize them if I know you have them…
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RTWT !

“Happy Hunger Games! And may the odds be ever in your favor.”



 

  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 02:43pm

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    nordicjack

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Well, this is a throw the baby out with the bath water.

Yes, when there is little or no food on the shelves – and things are getting pretty ugly with money.  You will likely be better off having a piece of land that can provide food etc.

However, down line, it may all break down – and will likely break down very very very badly.  There will likely be total chaos and lawlessness.  There will be bands of out-laws.  They will take steal and kill to get what they need.

So, you are saying better join them instead of fight them.  I expect them to first exploit the cities, as that is a more resource dense.  You have to play the odds.  By that time lots of people would have perished.  They will take over cities and then rural areas near the city.  They may eventually send smaller patrol scouts for more resources, but there are tons of pickings, and you assume you will be the first and the least prepared.

I expect them to come, perhaps, but even if they get “all stocks and resources”  why are you not still good to go?  Can you not hunt, fish, grow more food?  I can tell you , where you will definitely not be hunting and fishing , that is in the city, unless you are willing to eat raccoons , snakes and a few pigeons.   I fully expect them to poison the water supplies, lakes  and even food supply, etc.    But in the end , it is going to be hard go.  You need to prepare security for a worst case scenario.  But not until you try to take the easier, out-last the masses approach, before you take the do or die approach.

Thank God for the vaccine, I expect most to be too ill and weak to fight, most are already proven intellectually inferior.   The only people that should be left, when they realize its over, will be like minded individuals.    I am banking the same idiots that caused the problem will cause their own demise by the same stupidity.

 

  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 02:46pm

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    Steven Kelso

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    Worst case scenario for rural homestead security

Thanks for sharing this.

I was going to say that Ferfal warned about this but you already had that in mind!

  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 03:17pm

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    Worst case scenario for rural homestead security

This is one of those topics it’s challenging to talk about in a forum.

I’m not convinced suburban neighbors will prove reliable compatriots. And the more people inside the perimeter, the more weak links for attackers to suborn – esp among people more used to getting food from the local grocer than by hunting, planting and harvesting. But in the end, wherever one lands, or positions, there are advantages and disadvantages. Analysis and contingency planning are the keys.

In general, be real. Recognize there can always be forces too strong to oppose. Therefore, pre-think how to bend with a gale-force wind, or disappear.

Bending can include giving up supplies knowing you have back-ups. Back-ups can be hidden supplies and/or a food forest that produces non-standard, not-easily-identified perennial staples. (Even a back yard food forest can save lives in crisis.)

I’m in the country and think accordingly.

Rurally, disappearing can be some disguised, overgrown old basement in the woods, or a hidden cave. Located out of the way and off the natural and the beaten paths, considering geography and knowing but not wholly relying on the human tendency to drift down and to the left.

Know your territory, not just your own land. The Israelies got around Egyptian tanks because they knew where the old Roman roads still lay under the sand. Where are the old game trails, logging roads, snowshoe and snowmobile trails? Where do they go? What redoubts and strategic ground lies along the way? What are their back doors?

When to fight and when to hide.

Who will fight and who cannot.

Caches to give up and backup caches. Even redundant backups.

All in: There are no guarantees. Only ways to improve the odds, by expanding options, and levels of response.

  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 03:22pm

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    Ision

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“Snipers always win.” Is what my friend, a trained sniper, always said to me…when he returned from a mission.

I really have no false visions of surviving for very long…once the lights go out.  But, I suppose I do not wish too, either.

I guess I will hang around as long as my wife is alive…and the Scotch lasts.

Without having an actual army, I don’t see any way to defend from snipers that may be literally everywhere 24/7. People planning on stealing and pillaging from others to survive will be as well equipped as anyone hoping to defend a fortified position. Attackers always have the element of surprise in their favor. The best odds are to fly under the radar until the fuel runs out. The best bet would to be geographically isolated in a place nobody would think to, or want to go.

  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 05:19pm

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I’ve considered this in terms of government coercion and force. Have a hideout near your home, preferably underground, where a majority of your supplies are located and where you can retreat to for an extended period if soldiers and bioweapon preparedness units with hazmat suits come to take you to the nearest quarantine facility. Leave a note on the door for the neighbor, telling them that you heard the news and decided to skip town because of unrest from the recent smallpox out break

Just visualizing a wargame similar to those of the Rockefellers. There are times to defend yourself, and there are times to hide.

  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 05:34pm

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I think the point he is trying to make is rather than a homestead way out remote wiht a few friends.. history  has shown in collapses have proved its better  to find a small town in a farming community like the fiction town “Jerico” Kansas on the TV series “Jerico” on Netflix.. “good fictional what if series about the collapse of the US  after a nuclear terrorist attack and an oppressive new government that forms/bandits/military raiders etc..”. people that survived in the  Argentina collapse in 2001 also say living remote means no one can hear you scream and it didn’t turn out well there for those folks..  having a string of neighbors each on a couple acres surrounding a small town turned out better for them historically.. they can be self sustaining but still cooperate and band together My wife is Russian and being a little girl in soviet times  also points out being very remote didn’t work out well there either but being near a  town did…. google “estacada oregon wildfires looting”.. that town and community made global news several time with their response to BLM and looters  “somehow negatively “when the town blocked the  only bridge in with  trucks and arms and only let locals into town during the wildfire when  looting was wide spread last year.. and hung up signs “you looty we shooty”  . I think he point is its better to be near a  couple thousand like minded  small town people working together than a dozen or so survivalists in the middle of now where..  being so remote no one can find you  also means you are probably in a not so good farming area and are not on private property and there is no road there.. not sure how you are going to set up a realistic homestead there helicopter everything into the middle of a national forest…. anywhere else especially private property   has some road and some people and someone who knows about you… you might not be the 1st target  but sooner or later someone local is going to get desperate and form a gang and come…  I’m not saying one is better than the other… just to be aware of the -/+ and history does have some credibility..

  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 05:55pm

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    nordicjack

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I agree about the sniper will always win.  hand guns only have limited use.  To fight a war,  choose a long gun.  Think about if our soldiers would only be outfitted with hand guns, what that would look like?  The better shot you are from a distance, the better off you will be.  If you can kill your enemy before they can see you, and they are unable to attack you, you will always have an advantage.

Make sure you can hit a coke can at 300 yards.  Then you should be good.   Bolt action is more accurate than other actions. contrary to popular belief, they are as fast to rechamber as anything lever or pump action.  SAVE all your brass, and try to keep a small portable reloader with you.   This way you only need to carry bullets,  and even if run out of gun powder, you can always pilfer that from the dead, even if their rounds don’t fit your gun.

 

  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 06:29pm

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    Worst case scenario for rural homestead security

Anyone planning to survive armageddon in an isolated, rural retreat would probably benefit from reading the novel ‘Patriots’ by James Wesley Rawles. Although it is a work of fiction, it is also a textbook of how to organize and defend an isolated community.

One thing the book makes clear is that, in a total societal meltdown, a single isolated family will have little or no chance. Operating and defending a community requires a critical mass of people, with a wide range of skills and ability.

https://www.alibris.com/Patriots-A-Novel-of-Survival-in-the-Coming-Collapse-James-Wesley-Rawles/book/11363078?matches=141

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