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  • Fri, Feb 18, 2011 - 03:44pm

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    PetraViolet

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    Wisconson – sign of more to come?

Do you think that unrest from working class people will settle down after whatever outcome happens in the Dairy State? Or will other states try and follow suit….with potentially more serious protests? Is this the beginning of a new movement……..? I am interested to hear other perspectives.

  • Fri, Feb 18, 2011 - 03:45pm

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    Re: Wisconsin – sign of more to come?

I apologize to WI for misspelling the state’s name. I haven’t slept all night.

  • Fri, Feb 18, 2011 - 03:47pm

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    Re: Wisconson – sign of more to come?

 

I don’t consider those teachers part of the working class.

Their wages are way more than average, the vacations are unbelievable, and benefits on par, or better than, billionaires.

Great topic by the way.

  • Fri, Feb 18, 2011 - 04:19pm

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    Re: Wisconson – sign of more to come?

Petra –

I don’t know what to think from one minute to the next.  I was struck by footage the other day about the Wisconsin demonstrations – they asked one of the kids in the crowd if he knew what they were protesting about…….his answer? “No, but I got out of school.”

I think what the protests may do is shed light on the scope of the problems we are facing.  Once more people see how bad and almost irreparably broken things are they are going to slowly realize that the steps needed to address the issues will necessarily be painful.  Then what? 

How frantic do they get when they realize that even if we don’t do anything, the system is going to reset itself?  How much more painful will that be?

  • Fri, Feb 18, 2011 - 04:35pm

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Cuts have been happening for years. with Republican and Dem guvs, see below for Dem states  IMO,  There has been and will be, no critical mass union movement because the facts are on the side of smaller government and liberty.

States with Democratic Governors:
IL: 24 furlough days & raised taxes
CA: 10% pay cut for all employees & raised taxes
NY: 10% cut to university system & 7.3% cut in public school aid
FL: 5% pay in to pensions
NV: 5% pay cut for all employees & lays off 361 employees
Asking the employee to pay $ 164/mo for health care & $318/mo for retirement benefits

  • Fri, Feb 18, 2011 - 04:46pm

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    Re: Wisconson – sign of more to come?

[quote=patrickhenry]

Cuts have been happening for years. with Republican and Dem guvs, see below for Dem states IMO, There has been and will be, no critical mass union movement because the facts are on the side of smaller government and liberty.

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I added emphasis to your post……

And from mine preceding yours,

“No, but I got out of school.” is what we are really up against before anything good can gain traction.

  • Fri, Feb 18, 2011 - 05:19pm

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It is not about teachers.  There are nurses, probation and parole officers, correctional officers, nursing assistants, dnr people, labratory people, crime lab people, services for handicapped and mentally ill….and NO their salaries are NOT high.  That is untrue.  Teachers are the first to walk because they are actually a bit less vital than nurses and a few other professions….you can catch up on education, you can’t catch up on missed medical care.  Nurses don’t walk until there is desperation because people’s lives depend on them.  Nurses already are forced to work double shifts….what is next, chain us to the patients’ beds?

This law strives to do away with unions.  Life will not be better for any one if they can not organize.

I suspect this will grow to be a nationwide movement.  People are sick of bloated corporate profits. Russ Feingold has started a new PAC, Progressives United.

The middle class has to stop harping on each other, and go after the rich as in more than $250,000 per year.

  • Fri, Feb 18, 2011 - 05:28pm

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Whatever one may think of State workers or of Governors like Christie’s (New Jersey) and Walker’s (Wisconsin) attempts to break the unions back, watch for the unintended consequences if they are successful.  If these Governors are successful State workers will likely remain doing there jobs because there are few other options, but these people are not washing our cars or making our lattes, they are the Police enforcing the rule of law, the Correction Officers guarding the prisons, the DOT crews plowing the roads and the people teaching the children.  They will feel betrayed, angry and vengeful. How this plays out in these respective State agencies and how it will effect those of use who rely upon these services remains to be seen but rarely do politicians anticipate the unintended consequence.

  • Fri, Feb 18, 2011 - 05:42pm

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    Re: Wisconson – sign of more to come?

[quote=inga]Nurses already are forced to work double shifts….what is next, chain us to the patients’ beds?[/quote]

Forced?  I don’t see anyone hold a gun to their heads.  If you don’t like the job, don’t do it.

[quote=inga]and NO their salaries are NOT high.  That is untrue.[/quote]

Salaries should be set by the market.  If they go up then you are correct, if they go down because the employees are willing to accept less money for a job, then the salaries are too high.  Same as it is for every other good, price is determine by need and availability (supply and demand).

[quote=inga]The middle class has to stop harping on each other, and go after the rich as in more than $250,000 per year.[/quote]

More political rhetoric.  News Flash – not enough rich to tax.  If you took all the money from all those you consider rich, you would kick the can down the road a couple of years (maybe), then what?  It’s not sustainable.  So time to wake up, this is part of the reduction in the standard of living that is so often a topic of conversation on this site.

[quote=nacci]They will feel betrayed, angry and vengeful.[/quote]

No doubt, they have been lied to for a very very long time.  Unfortunately a lot of anger will be misdirected as this plays out at the “correction” that is occuring rather than at the unsustainable promises made.

  • Fri, Feb 18, 2011 - 05:52pm

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    Re: Wisconson – sign of more to come?

 

[quote=inga]

People are sick of bloated corporate profits.

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No, people are sick of bloated government.

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