Why Vaccine-Produced Spike Proteins Are Not Cytotoxic

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  • Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 04:06pm

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“I’d hate to be someone in one of the well identified groups that is vulnerable to Covid itself.  Talk about having to pick your poison”

 

That would be an easy one for me. Id rather die from a decision I made myself, than from a decision somebody else made for me. When faced with a difficult choice I often employ the following technique;

Imagine both choices are a mistake, then ask ‘which is the bigger mistake?’ Since the outcome is unknown, assume the worst in both scenarios. If you take the shot you die…if you dont take the shot you die.

In either scenario I die so that concern is off the table. Which is worse, to give up your personal agency and die complying with somebody else’ demands….or to die due to your own distrust and stubborn refusal to comply?

Both are bitter pills to swallow but I’d much rather die by my own folly than to know I’d been somebody else’s fool. In either case you lose your life, but in one case you lose both your life and your personal agency.

  • Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 04:22pm

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    Why Vaccine-Produced Spike Proteins Are Not Cytotoxic

According to the NHS, the delta variant, now the dominant one is more infectious and less lethal (.1% for non vaccinated, as opposed to the flu which is .15%) but 6X more lethal if you are vaccinated. Makes the vaccine and its range of unknowns even less attractive. On this site the NHS document.

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  • Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 04:25pm   (Reply to #11)

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    Why Vaccine-Produced Spike Proteins Are Not Cytotoxic

“Both are bitter pills to swallow but I’d much rather die by my own folly than to know I’d been somebody else’s fool. In either case you lose your life, but in one case you lose both your life and your personal agency.”

Good point.  This is actually why I refuse to have a “financial advisor” (which in Canada is very different from a “financial adviser” oddly enough)

I tell people that I’m perfectly capable of making bad decisions on my own and Id rather lose the money myself than pay some other guy to do it.  They never seem to get the joke.

  • Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 04:39pm

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I realize that is not an easy explanation (video) to follow, but I didn’t want impose my viewpoint and allow everyone to watch it on their own.

My take, FWIW: the spike protein produced by the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines RNA is not “weaponized”. Meaning it can’t attach to the cell membrane. The J&J vaccine does the same thing in a different way.

As he states in the video, though no harm can come from the vaccine-produced spike proteins themselves, one could still have immune system related complications from the vaccine or any vaccine.

Personally, in regard to medicine, I don’t think you get something for nothing. Every pharmaceutical, nutraceutical and vaccine has a purpose and a cost. There is always a tradeoff.

Y’all can believe whatever you want, it doesn’t bother me one way or the other. BUT, I do think it would be good to recognize that we often overreact to things in this community.

Remember in Feb 2020, when the consensus here was that COVID was much deadlier than it turned out to be? Remember during the election when COVID was considered to be less deadlier than it turned out to be?

Rinse and repeat for the vaccines. We overshoot and undershoot reality around here. It’s no big deal, it is just human nature.

I think we have a need to fear something. even if it is that fear that hurts us.

  • Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 05:08pm

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    unknown unknowns

Personally, in regard to medicine, I don’t think you get something for nothing. Every pharmaceutical, nutraceutical and vaccine has a purpose and a cost. There is always a tradeoff.

Sure, trade-offs are grand, especially when you know what they are.

Can you explain to me what the trade-off is for this shot?  What are the long term effects?

Do you know?  Does anyone?

Without that knowledge, this trade-off is impossible to calculate.

There are the things we know that we know – the known-knowns.  There are the things we know, that we don’t know – the known-unknowns.  And there are the things that we don’t know, that we don’t know.

And that’s the shot.  Unknown-unknowns.

So what’s the trade-off in an unknown-unknown situation where the Oligarchy is pulling out all the stops to coerce as many people as possible to just shut up and accept the shot?

  • Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 05:29pm

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DF: Can you explain to me what the trade-off is for this shot?  What are the long term effects?

No I can’t and neither can anyone here (or anywhere). My best guess based on history, the trade-off is an autoimmune disorder that makes you wish you were dead.

Don’t pick a fight with me over something that can’t be known by either one of us. Why the f*ck am I the poster boy for the vaccine agenda around here? Because I’m trying to be intellectually honest?

I was trying to contribute to the conversation around here. The YouTube algo served that video to me and I thought it was interesting. I know, I know….the Oligarchs control the algo, right?

Posting here is a waste of my time. Congratulations everyone you ran off another independent thinker. Enjoy the echo.

Later.

  • Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 07:53pm   (Reply to #10)

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    Why Vaccine-Produced Spike Proteins Are Not Cytotoxic

Wish there were some way to objectively compensate all data for the very real placebo effect. Maybe we would be a bit better off if $BIGPHARMA could patent that?

  • Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 08:39pm   (Reply to #16)

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    Why Vaccine-Produced Spike Proteins Are Not Cytotoxic

JAG – Don’t let Dave (or anyone else) get you down! I greatly appreciate and enjoy your contributions here (as I do Dave’s). This site needs thoughtful voices looking at this crazy world from multiple angles. Please stick around and be 100% you!

 

Paul

  • Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 10:53pm

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    The butler in the parlor with a club or the maid in the kitchen with a knife

Sure, the video presents a mechanism by which vaccine generated spike proteins outside the cell are not harmful.

But that doesn’t matter.  Just because one mechanism of harm is not active does not mean that another one isn’t.  As I showed in post 9:

  1. The leaked biodistribution data from animal studies shows that, at least in animals, the mRNA/lipid package goes lots of places in the body.  Biodistribution, as far as I know, is unstudied in humans, but should be.
  2. The mRNA/lipid package very likely gets in to many types of cells wherever it ends up and hijacks them to produce spike proteins.  These locations include (in order of concentration in the animal model): ovaries, bone marrow small intestine, lymph nodes, thyroid, pituitary gland and pancrease -No data was presented on blood vessel epithelial cells, peripheral nervous system or brain).
  3. The cells recognize the spike protein as an invader and present it to the immune system essentially by poking it through the cell wall.  The message to the immune system is “I’ve been infected by a virus.  Please kill me for the good of the whole.”
  4. This is not much of a problem if it’s only muscle and other cells in the deltoid muscle, but 2, indicates a significant risk that vital organs and tissues can be involved.

This fits well with the adverse events we have already heard to much about on this site, and, if you’re like me heard of far to many in your own circle.  I will review mine once again:

Neurological:

  1. Mid-seventies woman.  Room-mate of someone I’m visiting in the hospital.  Suffering from tremors as in the videos linked here  Her husband reassured her they were safe because they had recently had their second vaccine dose.
  2. My first cousin’s wife, mid 40s.  Pfizer vaccine: seizure within a a couple of weeks of each dose.  Never had seizures before.  Neither her, my cousin, my aunt or my mom made the vaccine connection.
  3. Woman in emergency room in wheel chair.  Middle aged or younger.  Seemed to have physical handicap – in a wheelchair.  Had a seizure in the waiting room.
  4. Woman in her 50s.  Primary care physician’s waiting room.  Could not lift either arm above shoulders after vaccine.  Concerned that the vaccine had caused it.
  5. Friend and next door neigbor of my father in law.  New symptoms of and diagnosis of Parkinson’s disease within a month of the second dose.  I’ve seen a few similar cases reported online.

Bleeding, Clotting or heart issues:

  1. My wife’s best friend’s brother, age 70.  Stroke not long after 2nd dose.  Needed weeks of rehab, at least.
  2. Woman in ER (I was with a family member in ER).  Little bruises all over her body.  I’ve seen a few similar cases reported online.
  3. 20ish woman in ER.  Some sort of significant heart issue.  Very emotional, worried about dying.
  • Mon, Jun 21, 2021 - 11:09pm

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    AI goes off script?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/06/21/covid-vaccine-variant-afghanistan-canada-mexico-delta/7765857002/

Check out the first paragraph:

 

“Australia’s top medical officer on Monday urged countrymen who have received an AstraZeneca COVID shot to “not delay” getting the second dose – even though the vaccine has been linked to more deaths than COVID in Australia this year.”

 

Ive been feeling for a while that most news is written by AI.    Maybe something was programmed to offer analysis by accident?

 

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