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  • Fri, Oct 23, 2009 - 03:35am

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    Why aren’t more of you (Americans) leaving the country ?

I just don’t get it.  The news is all very gloomy.  The US could collapse – like soon – why are there not discussions everywhere about lots of you wanting to move to a safer country ? 

Or do you all think it would be just as bad else where ?

Or is home always home after all no matter how bad it gets?

 

  • Fri, Oct 23, 2009 - 03:56am

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    Re: Why aren’t more of you (Americans) leaving the country ?

First of all, the US is probably not going to collapse, just decline.  And if it does collapse, I plan on being around to start uncollapsing it right here with number one.

Second of all, it’s unlikely to be a whole lot better elsewhere.  This thing is global.

Third, no one and nothing is ever going to push me out of my native country that I love except if it’s in a box.  And that’s true of the vast majority of Americans that I know.  If you don’t understand that, you don’t understand Americans.

With regards to the safety business, it’s liberty that I care about, not safety.  After 9/11, it shocked me when I flew right after the airports opened up.  They were deserted.  I thought to myself, “If that many people are that afraid, we have some serious problems in this country.”   I have news for those who are afraid.  Guess what, you’re gonna die someday, no matter what!  Get over the fear and get your rear in gear!

 

Sorry Amanda, don’t mean to bite your head off but I’m very passionate about this.  And if things get really, really, REALLY bad here, we may plan a mass flotilla to Kiwiland to take it over.;-)

  • Fri, Oct 23, 2009 - 03:57am

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    Re: Why aren’t more of you (Americans) leaving the country ?

Because this is my country god damnit.

The only difference between me and most Americans is that I’m tired of hearing how bad it’s going to get here, or what “they” are going to do to us.  I focus on what we can do to “them” and how we can save this country.

They are able to do all this to our country because they own and control 100% of the money in this country.  At any given point they can just shutdown the money supply and through a process of law, steal all the property from all the people in the USA.  That is the key.  If we take back ownership and control of the nations money we destroy all the power they have to maniplulate this country.  Anything else is just pure slave mentality which needs to stop, today, right now, and forever.

 

  • Fri, Oct 23, 2009 - 04:00am

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    Re: Why aren’t more of you (Americans) leaving the country ?

Amanda

I have given thought to leaving the country.  I am a physician and even looked into job opportunities for Australia and New Zealand.  But when it came down to it, the pull to stay home is overwhelming.  My wife and I have two small children.  My parents, inlaws, and siblings all cried bloody murder when I even mentioned the idea.  I would do it, but my wife would be very reluctant to  take that leap.

Also, there would be a great degree of uncertainty in leaving to  a new country.  would we be accepted? would the new country be afftected by the crisis as much as the U.S?  I just can’t be too certain about the future anywhere.

Having said that, we do have somewhat of an exit strategy.  Enough gas stored in the garage with stabilizer, passports for everyone in the family, and cash in a Canadian bank account. (we live about 2 hours from Canada)

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  • Fri, Oct 23, 2009 - 04:32am

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Thanks you guys for the responses.  Ok I get it !   Just needed to hear how it was for you.  I guess from my point of view all I hear about is how awful everything is in the US (including CM site).  So that is why I was wondering. 

I hope you are right though.  I hope there really is no true collapse, ao.

  • Fri, Oct 23, 2009 - 04:38am

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I love my home . . .  more than you can imagine, Amanda  . . . I live in the house that I grew up in, and I’ll be 55 years old in December.  This old house is my connection with my parents, who are both long deceased.  But, I’m also a master of walking away from what isn’t true, and what doesn’t work . . . I’ve done it many, many times before . . . I’ve walked away from disloyal people, jobs without integrity, and false religions . . . (You should have seen my husband’s face when I told him I was converting to traditional Catholicism, lol). 

I’ve thought long and hard about running off to another country . . . I’ve done it before . . . Then, again, I’ve had to fight, hard, to preserve my right to stay here, on my little homestead . . . . .. But, one thing that I’ve learned is that, once you start running . . . you never stop . . . and you just keep running, and your life becomes about running . . . and the fear and avoidance don’t become less . . . they overtake you, and you become your fear . . . No . . . . I learned a long time ago, that the best policy is to turn and, not only face your fears, but to deliberately walk toward that which you fear, looking it directly in the eye . . . . Amazingly, the feared object no longer has power over you . . . .

And, the other reason that I don’t run is that, this time, there’s no place to run, and no place to hide . . . This time, it isn’t only about me, or my family, or my nation . . . This time the sons of bitches are going for the whole freaking world . . . . and it’s time to make a stand . . . . and, here is as good as anyplace to do that . . . This is the piece of turf that I care deeply about.  This is where I helped my father plant trees that are now 80 feet tall . . . . This place is in my bones, and I am in its bones . . . . There is no other place on this earth from which I will be able to draw more strength . . . . Humble as it may be . . . . There’s no place like home . . . .

 

  • Fri, Oct 23, 2009 - 05:13am

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I love my home . . .  more than you can imagine, Amanda  . . . I live in the house that I grew up in, and I’ll be 55 years old in December.  This old house is my connection with my parents, who are both long deceased.  But, I’m also a master of walking away from what isn’t true, and what doesn’t work . . . I’ve done it many, many times before . . . I’ve walked away from disloyal people, jobs without integrity, and false religions . . . (You should have seen my husband’s face when I told him I was converting to traditional Catholicism, lol). 

I’ve thought long and hard about running off to another country . . . I’ve done it before . . . Then, again, I’ve had to fight, hard, to preserve my right to stay here, on my little homestead . . . . .. But, one thing that I’ve learned is that, once you start running . . . you never stop . . . and you just keep running, and your life becomes about running . . . and the fear and avoidance don’t become less . . . they overtake you, and you become your fear . . . No . . . . I learned a long time ago, that the best policy is to turn and, not only face your fears, but to deliberately walk toward that which you fear, looking it directly in the eye . . . . Amazingly, the feared object no longer has power over you . . . .

And, the other reason that I don’t run is that, this time, there’s no place to run, and no place to hide . . . This time, it isn’t only about me, or my family, or my nation . . . This time the sons of bitches are going for the whole freaking world . . . . and it’s time to make a stand . . . . and, here is as good as anyplace to do that . . . This is the piece of turf that I care deeply about.  This is where I helped my father plant trees that are now 80 feet tall . . . . This place is in my bones, and I am in its bones . . . . There is no other place on this earth from which I will be able to draw more strength . . . . Humble as it may be . . . . There’s no place like home . . . .

WOW JUST WOW I loved this read Cloudfire! Thanks

I have traveled all over the world & been in Ausie  Land  & New Zealand also. They are very nice countries but no place better than home IMHO. I have many physical things which would be very hard to reproduce at this age. If I was just out of school it might be different.

We are all interconnected on this small planet now. The world is all together in this downturn especially with Peak oil on us. It will be a new awakening about what is really important IMHO. Peak problems between different countries will probably not be that many years apart.

  • Fri, Oct 23, 2009 - 07:34am

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“Why aren’t more of you (Americans) leaving the country ?”

… Because there’s no possible way I can move all the people I care about with me.

… Because me, my wife’s, and my baby son’s opportunities for the future being stolen, and I don’t intend to let the people responsible get away with it and go unaccountable.

… Because I’m seeing so many things here being destroyed and many people making it happen, and so few people with either the ability or the will to be builders.

… Because I’m seeing the darkness in some mens’ souls destroy a nation and a people with a lot of potential.  And if no one here fights their attempts to assume complete control of how the country is run, many more people both in and outside of the US are going to suffer and there will be no safe place. 

… Finally, because by all appearances it’s coming down to “step up or step aside”…. and most people I see around me have either consciously or subconsciously stepped aside, or are too paralyzed to even make the choice.  I see the direction things are heading, and if I step aside I know I’ll be contributing to a future nightmare.  This was driven home for me when my mom, who was not having an easy time on all this, expressed feelings of guilt for bringing us kids into such a bleak world, and thought she had been extremely selfish in having us. She said there were simply too many greedy selfish people in charge, and without a hero to turn the tide there’s nothing to stop this from being a complete disaster.  Words don’t exist that can describe how enraged I am at the irresponsible power-hungry douchebags running the country (and world) into the ground who can send a strong, wonderful woman like my mom to such levels of despair; for this and threatening my family’s future, they will not receive any mercy or compassion from me.  Anyway… I know there are many heroes out there doing all they can, but let’s face it, they are so outnumbered it’s depressing.  So it’s up to those of us (who are able) to step up.  I don’t think ”Hero” is an even remotely proper adjective to describe me, but maybe I can do enough to at least be a hero to my family.  

– Nickbert

(just so there’s no misunderstanding, I don’t feel indignant, insulted, or anything like that by the question. I’ve simply been in a dark place for awhile, and some venting on this subject is unavoidable)

 

  • Fri, Oct 23, 2009 - 11:23am

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[quote=Amanda V]

Thanks you guys for the responses.  Ok I get it !   Just needed to hear how it was for you.  I guess from my point of view all I hear about is how awful everything is in the US (including CM site).  So that is why I was wondering. 

I hope you are right though.  I hope there really is no true collapse, ao.

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Hey Amanda, good to see you pop up here.

Seems to me that whatever comes, leaving aside the very real possibility of mayhem leading to my personal demise (or the demise of a good many people here in Yankland), it’s our mess.  Whether by action, inaction or utter cluelessness (or all three), nobody else did this to us (never mind the rantings of the Joe McCarthys and other latter-day paranoid demagogues & manipulators/twisters of reality).  It’s ours to deal with the consequences of our rapacious appetites and disregard of the future.  

And, in the wake of discovering my wife is going to need a hip replacement soon — and the reaction within our fledgling l’il community — I’m so heartened by the outreach of concerned people wanting to help that I’d be an utter ingrate to think of bailing out.  Most of our community are not on board with the realities of the Crash Course, but I now know that once they are — and they eventually will be — we’ll be cooking with gas [as my Kiwi friends used to say back in Tauranga].  So alongside the despair at the magnitude of what’s coming, there’s an even larger knowing that at least we’re going to stick together and try and build/rebuild something sustainable and righteous.  And just knowing we’ll work together on that effort is enough.

VIVA! — Sager

 

 

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  • Fri, Oct 23, 2009 - 11:58am

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    Re: Why aren’t more of you (Americans) leaving the country ?

hmmm,

Well I will be the lone voice here. I am an American born and raised, from parents also born and raised American. I can safely say I AM looking at plans to move out of the country with my wife and possibly son (dependant on his age, and what he wants to do).

My decision to look overseas for a better life isn’t souly because of the serious potential of a collapse (those that think it could never happen are fooling themselves…no offence).

 I am looking at life as a whole. I love my home, but do I want to be working in a dead end job…or the way the economy is going….multiple part time jobs until I am 70 just to make ends meet. Do I want to stay military knowing how that can end up, as well as the crazy illogical way it is run (way too much detail about military to fit into one post, keep in mind I don’t regret joining one bit, but there are some issues I have with how things are run). Do I want to be in a position where I barely make rent, or require AMAZING credit, just to get the opportunity to pay a mortgage back for the rest of my life with my 3 part time jobs?

Now, what about the fact that I will have my electricians license….true, I am in a productive field, also true, I can make some money working A LOT in it, but what happens if I get injured and can’t work, and even though this is a possibility in any job, I would still have to WANT to work to the bone well into old age. Is this what I want? Because the way the states (and England for that matter) is going that’s where we will be. As Dr. M said, the next 20 years will be nothing like the last…..and personally I think it will be longer, and as long as we adjust now as all of us here know, it won’t be as shocking of a change.

I am in the middle of putting step two of my plan in place to get to Asia…..most likely the Philippines, since that’s where my wife is from, but weighing options. I won’t bore anyone with the details, In the end, I know it will work like a champ though, and my family and I will have a nice self sufficient place to call home where I won’t need to work 3 jobs, 55+ hours a week in something I don’t like or enjoy just to get by.

I even taught myself how to build solar panels, wind generator, and even have some practice in rain collection…..and planted my first garden this last spring for practice…..

Loving ones home country doesn’t make a bad thing to find better, more comfortable living elsewhere. As global as this is, there are still better places one can go if they choose.

 

I guess it boils down to….’to each their own’

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