Where’s Krogoth?

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  • Thu, Dec 18, 2008 - 11:22pm

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    BBBooBoo

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    Re: Where’s Krogoth?

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  • Fri, Dec 19, 2008 - 12:47am

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    gregroberts

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    Re: Where’s Krogoth?

Delete their accounts and their posts, if there is nothing constructive in them.

  • Fri, Dec 19, 2008 - 01:01am

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    AnOregonian

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    Re: Where’s Krogoth?

[quote=LaFanze]

Addition: Would like to hear others’ thoughts…I am farely new to these forums and not so sure I have a complete perspective.

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Please see my point of view in comment #23 in [Re: My 2 cents…Censorship].

Sam….

  • Fri, Dec 19, 2008 - 01:32am

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    Re: Where’s Krogoth?

hi chris

i hope you are getting a chance to bathe now and again.

this is a tough situation to be in. i am glad it is not me

in your shoes.

i have been here for a while and the site is still very good but i miss the old days when it was a lot quieter, and there was more chris. but change is inevitable and i am still learning things here. i appreciate the give and take and the lively debates. the people here are some of the most passionate i have encountered on the web. they are passionate abut the things which are of the utmost importance to each of us and by extension the planet.

i have posted a thread on community which was an attempt to bring to light the dynamics of community. not many got involved. i find it strange that many would get involved on a topic like global warming endlessly debating the issue and not get involved in figuring out how a community functions. you have been very clear that you believe in strong community and this is what may be our solution. thom hartmann said the same thing in the last hours of ancient sunlight.

i think if more people understood dialog these things would not come up as frequently. be that as it may i stated before and i will say it again the forum is a boisterous and rowdy place. passons run high and sometimes a few will go over the line. it is your site and you make the rules. if were my site i would not have rules, i would have agreements. this would empower each member to be a resposible citizen of the forum. i would have each new registrant to agree to conduct themselves in accordance with the mores of the forum. i would outline in a series of guidelines what is expected and in return they receive an "ownership" that is they own their rights to post and with that right comes certain resposibilities.

distractions are harder to quantify. who is going to be the arbiter of what is a distraction? some investors two years ago might have thought peter schiff was a distraction. there are many threads i check in on and do not follow because to me they are a distraction. as long as people do not use profanity and abusive behavior i think everything is open season for dialog. in my opinion if it were my site i would not get personally involved in the debates such as have come up lately. if i were on staff volunteer or in any way involved with the administration of the site i would be very circumspect in getting involved in the debates. i would try to remain nuetral. not saying i would succeed as i have been known to get passionate about an issue or two and i am not suggesting that anyone not engage , just to have a higher level of awareness.

what to do when people go over the line is your decision or the moderator if you can find one or two. i do not believe anyone really went over the line. i did not read any profanity or abusive language. maybe some was deleted. i would have to look at the contributions people make. it would seem that (without rehashing the sordid details) erik has made great contributions to this project. it would also seem that krogoth made great contributions in a very different way. his voice is obviously missed. maybe a back channel email would be the best solution. ie just ask the participants in a "distraction to take it elsewhere. i certainly could see certain people in the global warming debate going back channel.

again it is your site and you do what you feel is right  if it ever comes down that i do not feel it is working for me i will go elsewher. like a tv you can always change the channel.

om shanti

joe

ps chaos is good not to be feared but to be embraced, it is out of chaos that order arises.

  • Fri, Dec 19, 2008 - 01:46am

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    kowanalynn

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    Re: Where’s Krogoth?

Chris

My suggestion is that you very explicitly define your purpose for having this site, and for having these forums.

Any posts that do not forward the purposes stated should be deleted, with an explanation to the person posting.

I am here because I want to be exposed to vital information in a timely manner, that could influence my future. 

I personally find that the emotional quibbling that I have observed in posts here and there, to be distracting to the important issues, and denigrades the site.

Posts that share new sources of information, and offer solutions to problems posed are very valuable.

Chris, you are doing an amazing job – there will always be a percentage (very small) in any group that find fault and want to leave, due to their real or imagined injustices.

The important thing is to stick to doing what you are here to do, and ensure posts that do not align with your purposes are be removed, to preserve the highest value of this site.

Lynn

 

 

 

  • Fri, Dec 19, 2008 - 01:46am

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    Re: Where’s Krogoth?

Chris

My suggestion is that you very explicitly define your purpose for having this site, and for having these forums.

Any posts that do not forward the purposes stated should be deleted, with an explanation to the person posting.

I am here because I want to be exposed to vital information in a timely manner, that could influence my future. 

I personally find that the emotional quibbling that I have observed in posts here and there, to be distracting to the important issues, and denigrades the site.

Posts that share new sources of information, and offer solutions to problems posed are very valuable.

Chris, you are doing an amazing job – there will always be a percentage (very small) in any group that find fault and want to leave, due to their real or imagined injustices.

The important thing is to stick to doing what you are here to do, and ensure posts that do not align with your purposes are be removed, to preserve the highest value of this site.

Lynn

 

 

 

  • Fri, Dec 19, 2008 - 04:45am

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    Re: Where’s Krogoth?

[quote=cmartenson]

[quote=BonnieBoo]See the "Hero’s" thread and and the " My 2 Cents " threads….from my observations it will be very eveident where they went and Why…? [/quote]

BonnieBoo signed up, dropped in two somewhat unhelpful and inflammatory posts, and then requested that her account be canceled.  Clearly there’s no intent to engage constructively over time.

Here’s a question – what should we do with such drive-by registrants and their postings?

The options are:

  1. Delete their accounts as requested
  2. Delete their accounts and their posts 

This is important because I am bringing on a few moderators to help and I’d like to be able to provide some clear guidance so that they can manage these situations with my complete blessings….

My goal is to create a safe, fun, open place for posting and I really feel that some people take away more than they give, the current example a perfect case in point.

Diversity is important, but so is avoiding necessary distractions.

I will consider all points of view.

Best,
Chris Martenson

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I don’t think we should do either except in the case of freeing up memory and space if needed.  If someone is going to spend time registering (for whatever reason), they must have a reason for it.  Let’s give them the benefit of the doubt.  Most of us should have enough sense to either ignore agitators and/or sever our communication relationship with them.  If we are unable to do this then I think it says more about us, than them.  I say give them six months and state, on the sign up page, that "inactive accounts older than six months will be automatically removed from the site and/or any archived entries" (or however you want to do it).

  • Fri, Dec 19, 2008 - 10:13am

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    ckessel

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    Re: Where’s Krogoth?

[quote=kowanalynn]

I personally find that the emotional quibbling that I have observed in posts here and there, to be distracting to the important issues, and denigrades the site.

Posts that share new sources of information, and offer solutions to problems posed are very valuable.

Chris, you are doing an amazing job – there will always be a percentage (very small) in any group that find fault and want to leave, due to their real or imagined injustices.

The important thing is to stick to doing what you are here to do, and ensure posts that do not align with your purposes are be removed, to preserve the highest value of this site.

Lynn

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The above summarizes my opinions very well and I agree with Lynns recommendation.

  • Fri, Dec 19, 2008 - 10:22am

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    ckessel

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    Re: Where’s Krogoth?

[quote=barrt]

you know i bet he’s here, just reading and not venting

although mayeb his is, under a new name, would you spot him do you think?

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Barrt,

Does it seem curious to you that Krogoth would decide to remove himself from the site just because someone else made a donation and used their real name? 

He was not being asked to reveal his identity or to pay anything but his upset seemed to be that another was doing so and that CM chose to acknowledge those efforts. 

That it would cause him such an upset tells me their is more to that story than maybe this site needs. Just a thought.

Coop

  • Fri, Dec 19, 2008 - 11:33am

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    barrt

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    Re: Where’s Krogoth?

I believe very passionately in FREEDOM and TRUTH, i think a lack of these two things are what has got the world into this mess, therefore what we need is more of both, IMHO anyway

So, don’t delete any posts, lunatics and fools must also be heard (the chaos part of Joe’s community building) and what’s a profanity amongst intelligent adults?

we need freedom badly, including freedom to swear, freedom to be an idiot, freedom to upset people, as long as the community have the freedom to slap you down, to ignore or ostracise you. Only that way can we find true community without tyrants or unjust laws, right Joe?

and coop from what i understand, Krogoth didn’t leave for those reasons but because one of his posts (probably a little abusive) was deleted. I think that was a mistake, if it was that vile a post then the community would have chased him off

Freedom, Truth, Love, Peace, Laughter, in that order please Wink

Love you guys x

barrt

oh and P.S, perhaps one of these drive bys is the big K, i would be very suprised if hes not lurking around, theres no way a guy like him could resist

Hi Krogoth! come back dude, we miss you Cry

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