Where is the solution Chris

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  • Sat, Feb 13, 2010 - 06:50pm

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

Mike will discuss/talk pretty soon here:

http://www.themicroeffect.com/listenlive.htm

Microeffect Listeners, On Saturday afternoon, Feb. 13, 2010, between 3 to 5 PM (Eastern), 2 to 4 PM (Central), 1 to 3 PM (Mountain), Noon to 2 PM (Pacific), Liberty’s Hammer & Anvil radio show (hosted by Larry Becraft and Tom Cryer) will be broadcast on the Microeffect Radio Network, and you may listen over the Net here: http://www.themicroeffect.com/listenlive.htm We will have 2 guests. Mike Benoit is a Libertarian from southern Cal, and his website is here: http://www.michaelbenoit.org/ Mike Montagne built this website: http://www.perfecteconomy.com/ The general topic of discussion will be the battle against abusive govt and the economy, and both of these men are well schooled on these topics. Please remember that the French helped in the American Revolution. If you have a question, give us a call: (208) 935-0094 Larry

  • Sat, Feb 13, 2010 - 06:51pm

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

[quote=idoctor]

… part of the solution is us to come to grips with a better form of sustainable responsible living.

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McMansions != Sustainable Responsible Living

Also, I’d predate the problem to 1913 and the creation of the Fed or back to the bankers that jacked up Andrew Jackon’s fine work.

 

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

[quote]The point i am trying to make is that without solution you can only extend your own failure by taking measures against the possible outcome, but failure is still inevitable.[/quote]

I’ll echo Mark and Strabes.

Failure is the solution, and preparing for failure becomes the problem.
This is an individual/family task that when approached by families in cohesion, becomes a community task.

If we view this mathematically, we have determined that this situation is null.
There isn’t a viable solution that puts us at a plain that is >0.

With this in mind, you can begin now detaching yourself from the situation by increasing your level of self productivity.
This differs self-sufficiency in that you can still use the resources that are in place.

Make the most of it. Dr. Martenson doesn’t have answers for us as individuals. He has simply outlined the problem, and shown that the likely outcome is that without a massive paradigm shift in our levels of consumption / production, we will soon pass the point of no return.

Plan accordingly.

Cheers,

Aaron

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

Please not the Mike mess again…..

  • Sat, Feb 13, 2010 - 07:29pm

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

Romans,

How can you say such thing? Unless you studied his material and can disaprove his thesis you have no right to express these populists remarks.

Your message has no content whatsoever and is only meant to upset people. Go somewhere else please or contribute to the discussion in an adult manner.

 

 

  • Sat, Feb 13, 2010 - 07:51pm

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

 

Have studied his material…have every right to express.  Your own words are in bold below.

Sincerely, a grown-up

Mike predicted our coming financial Armageddon over 30 years ago – to maybe the exact year – but no one seems to care.  An incredible achievement when one recognizes that they have also used “artificial sustention” (ZIRP) as he predicted, to push off the inevitable.

  • Sat, Feb 13, 2010 - 08:20pm

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

Yes, Aaron, Mark, and Strabes are all correct……  we have to have the crash, we must wipe the slate clean. We must cancel all the debts….

This notion of mine was met with howls of derision when I first suggested it on this site in 2008, but just think about the debt destruction already occuring… it’s merely cancelation in slow motion.  Once debts are canceled, we can wipe the floor of all the detritus and parasites (called banks!) and get on with switching to a sustainable society.

Decentralise EVERYTHING ( a la Transition Town), discourage breeding to reduce population, recycle evrything that has already been built/made, melt down motorcars to make wind turbines, the list is long….

And the solutions will vary depending on where you live and how you live. A CEO on millions a year will have to make far larger adjustments than I ever will!!  🙂

Mike

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

[quote=dtm]discourage breeding[/quote]

I for one have no interest in bringing a child into the world at this point unless I find a very different environment in another hemisphere.  I think beautiful little human beings deserve better.  Once I became aware of these issues and how in my opinion governments are going to try controlling the inevitable collapse–we’ve seen it many times before–no way would I force my children into it. 

Now I just need to figure out how to adjust to a society that believes the only thing an adult has to live for is pumping kids through the school system and talking about their grades and sports!  I’m viewed as a freak now.  Laughing  (not intending to offend any parents; just trying to lighten up an otherwise grim post)

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

Good presentation on what caused this mess, and how to prepare when tshtf….but you don´t offer SOLUTION.

So let me ask you again Mr. Martenson, what solution do you offer if any?

Your question assumes there is a solution. Perhaps there isn’t one.  Also, solution for what? Which problems? Energy, Water Use, Resource Depletion, Population, Fiat Money? I don’t believe we are going back to the way things were and the prepartion for when TSHTF are likely to be the new norm:  Self reliance, simpler life style, less energy use, sound money.

Welcome to stage Denial? Maybe Fear?

 

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

Self reliance, simpler life, less energy use, sound money, a community of people who arent out to predate upon each other, this sounds like advance not collapse………….

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