Where is the solution Chris

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  • Sat, Feb 13, 2010 - 03:03pm

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    Where is the solution Chris

Good presentation on what caused this mess, and how to prepare when tshtf….but you don´t offer SOLUTION.

So let me ask you again Mr. Martenson, what solution do you offer if any?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

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Good presentation on what caused this mess, and how to prepare when tshtf….but you don´t offer SOLUTION.

So let me ask you again Mr. Martenson, what solution do you offer if any?

[/quote]How many people are aware of the entire problem?

I’m not speaking for CM but my take on it is that his work is critical. Without enough people understanding the (entire) problem there won’t be a fix.

We ourselves made a lifestyle change that involved an entire “new” way of living. That “new” way of living is actually a toss-back to the way people lived before the insanity of McMansions and massive consumerism. IMO that way of living, where less is better, is a major part of the “fix”. Until folks come around to this any other fix is going to be window dressing because of population stressing resources.

 

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

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Good presentation on what caused this mess, and how to prepare when tshtf….but you don´t offer SOLUTION.

So let me ask you again Mr. Martenson, what solution do you offer if any?

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IMO a large part of the problem is that too many people are standing around waiting for someone to tell them what to do.  Seems to me thoughtful intelligent people can — once they understand the nature and the magnitude of the issues confronting us — begin almost immediately to figure out numerous actions they can take to prepare for the changes that’re coming.  YMMV, naturally.

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

My experience in life is that most problems are way beyond what one person can understand or solve.  The solution(s) can only come from groups or teams, which is why we come here.  We are hoping to share ideas and experiences to help develop the answers.

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

The first step towards any solution is that we should collectively use less of the finite energy resources of the planet. If we can do this, and it’s a very big if, then we can both make those resources last longer, and put some of them to use in creating substitutes. 

This can only happen collectively if we do it individually. Change starts with the individual.

 

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

“Be the change you want to see in the world” ~Gandhi

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[quote]That “new” way of living is actually a toss-back to the way people lived before the insanity of McMansions and massive consumerism. IMO that way of living, where less is better, is a major part of the “fix”.[/quote]

The system would’ve crashed in the 80’s, before the mcmansion/consumer craze, had Wall St / DC not extended the system.  The problem is not mcmansions.  It is the 1st E, debt-based money and the exponential growth necessary to support it, whether via production (corporate growth causing the other 2E problems) or credit inflation (mcmansions). Once it stops growing, it must contract.  Stability is not possible. 

The solution to that is simple,but requires collective political action that goes against the most powerful interests in the country.  That CM takes no stance on that issue is possibly why turtle asked the question. 

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

Solution LOL….there is no true or absolute solution that I can see (man doesn’t seem capable of living in the confines of physical reality). IMO Chris alludes to part of the solution is us to come to grips with a better form of sustainable responsible living.

When the plug gets pulled & the music dies I just don’t want to get caught with that deer in the headlights stare LOL.

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

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Good presentation on what caused this mess, and how to prepare when tshtf….but you don´t offer SOLUTION.

So let me ask you again Mr. Martenson, what solution do you offer if any? 

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Your comment seems to imply that the presentation clearly defines the problems, but is somehow incomplete for not providing an ultimate solution.  If the solution was the same for everyone, and if it was possible to implement without a lot of pain, suffering, and sacrifice on the part of millions, if not billions of people, then perhaps you might be able to logically expect Dr. Martenson to provide something as convoluted and complex as a simple solution.  That seems like an awful lot to expect from one individual.  The solution is not as easy as solving a mathematical equation.  This problem is actually a vast collection of problems that involve abstract areas of economics, politics, sociology, and human psychology… topics that by themselves have no concrete solutions agreed upon by people who specialize in any one area of expertise, let alone have expertise in all of them.  If anything, you should be able to conclude that there is no solution; only a multitude of individual ways for different people to decide upon which approach is most practical and applicable to their own lives.     

Is there any one person capable of providing this solution?  I doubt it; moreover, it seems rather inappropriate or at least naïve to expect this as a condition for qualifying the significance of the daunting task of clearly defining the problems and explaining them in easy to understand language, as well as providing them free of charge to anyone willing to spend the time to educate themselves on the various aspects of the situation.  Before a solution can be discovered, a problem must be defined, and the Crash Course defines the problems with more clarity than any other production I’ve ever encountered.  The blogs provide for solutions or alternatives to standard ways of life that we all have access to and the ability to choose which we want to further explore. 

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    Re: Where is the solution Chris

The point i am trying to make is that without solution you can only extend your own failure by taking measures against the possible outcome, but failure is still inevitable.

It´s easy to market products and services based on the ¨underbelly feelings¨ most people have , but it´s a total different ball game to come up with real solution and to have that accepted up to a critical mass.

By offering solution at the same time CM´s advise would make more sense as to have some sort of defense during a transition period. But apparently he doesn´t have solution at hand which makes his message less relevant.

I know off one person that offers real solution. I studied his material for months (and still do) and his theory is the only one i found that makes perfect sense.

His name is Mike Montagne. http://www.perfecteconomy.com

Mike predicted our coming financial Armageddon over 30 years ago – to maybe the exact year – but no one seems to care.  An incredible achievement when one recognizes that they have also used “artificial sustention” (ZIRP) as he predicted, to push off the inevitable. (Thanks Larry)

But i agree with Strabes here, that it goes against the most powerfull interests in the world, it even goes against my interests to a certain extend but i am willing to make an offer for humankind in general. ARE YOU?

 

 

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