Where is the Outrage on the Left?

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  • Wed, Jan 13, 2021 - 07:50pm   (Reply to #20)

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

Failed or court cases that were not even looked at? They weren’t given a chance. Also, the Georgia “pipe burst” was recorded we saw boxes of ballots being scanned when everyone went home. The truth is out there if you care…

Mathematic probabilities do not matter in 2021.

  • Thu, Jan 14, 2021 - 06:08am

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

Show me a leftist who isn’t completely brainwashed seemingly beyond repair. There are a few (Glenn Greenwald being a major example) , do you happen to know one? (I’ve never been a conservative btw.)

>@jturbo68
>Probably 25% of the left, I would label as progressives. This wing is hated by the right and particularly hated by the corporate branch of the left left.

Hated but used very effectively as useful idiots.

>The ‘far left’ is very concerned about censorship as historically the tools of the state come down first on the far left as has been done for decades already.

That’s upside down (as everything the left believes): Communism is ALL about censorship, and cannot persist without it. Truth is kryponite to every tyrant, including the few real examples of far-right governments you can point to (which does not include German national socialism or Italian fascism which was also left-wing).

Best tip I could ever give you: TURN. OFF. TV. EVERYTHING they say is lies, and far-leftism (as you are indoctrinated with in university) is even stronger, more enslaving, lies. How many deaths by socialist/communist governments are required for you to perceive them as what they always are/become?

[Why does this post get censored???? What’s the trigger????]

  • Thu, Jan 14, 2021 - 07:03am   (Reply to #20)

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

 

I was aware of the ‘suitcase’ claim and had even gone looking for analysis of what was going on in he video.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/14/fact-check-georgia-suitcase-video-missing-context/3892640001/

For persons already convinced that the fix is in, im sure the above analysis is not relevant as the MSM is corrupt so cant be trusted…  As they say, when evidence against the conspiracy is proof of the conspiracy…..

So lets consider another angle.   Georgia, during the 2018 governor election, was in control of conservatives enough that the Sec of State ( Brian Kemp) was able to oversee his own race for governor while not stepping down as the sec of state.   And Surprise!  He won!  And now, with him still firmly at the helm of the Ga govt, now the conservative GA govt is so powerless that anyone can just overturn their elections with suitcase drops and even though there is a complete paper trail of balloting in the state, no one can put together the evidence?

Another tell tale sign of where the truth might be …  consider this:

For a while I was receiving funding requests from the President to chip in to fund the legal fight against the election steal happening.  I even went to the donation page and read the terms.  Lo and behold.  Unless an individual donation was over something like $5000, none of the money even went to the election fraud fund! Essentially the President and the RNC were fleecing their supporters for one last round.

Here is some supporting analysis for this claim:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-save-america-pac-is-raking-in-donations-what-can-that-money-be-spent-on/

 

 

 

  • Thu, Jan 14, 2021 - 07:14am   (Reply to #20)

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

There has been plenty of analysis of the court cases as well.

And a number of cases in multiple states have been heard and found to be without merit.  When you have dozens of cases across multiple stages that are dismissed out of hand, that does not strengthen your case.  It weakens it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/08/trump-and-the-gop-have-now-lost-50-post-election-lawsuits/?sh=11e0bfdc2960

Again, the usual applies.   When evidence against the conspiracy is evidence of the conspiracy….

 

  • Thu, Jan 14, 2021 - 07:30am   (Reply to #23)

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

Are there even any communists holding elected office in the united states?  Im sure there are individuals in the country who believe in communism, but they have essentially no power.

So why would they even matter, let alone be enough of a concern to mention here?

The MSM is a reflection of corporate power, so not worth watching.  So I dont.

 

  • Thu, Jan 14, 2021 - 08:16am

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

https://navarroreport.com/#342e5f15-d44c-436a-bb58-9051a9397783

Pennsylvania received more mail in-ballots than sent out. Counties in Michigan had more votes than people. Hundreds of sworn affidavits on fraud. Count every ballot no matter what. No QC process to see if they are legit. No signature match and no verification. People who do not have the power changed election laws which is unconstitutional. The fix was in. GOP and DNC wanted him out (besides a few). Look at the data and the teams mining it.

You can’t bring up conspiracy theories after watching the left push the fake Russia hoax. If the left is accusing you of of something, it’s because they are doing it. Trump got impeached twice for things Biden has actually done!

  • Thu, Jan 14, 2021 - 10:47am

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There has been plenty of analysis of the court cases as well.

And a number of cases in multiple states have been heard and found to be without merit. When you have dozens of cases across multiple stages that are dismissed out of hand, that does not strengthen your case. It weakens it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/08/trump-and-the-gop-have-now-lost-50-post-election-lawsuits/?sh=11e0bfdc2960

Again, the usual applies. When evidence against the conspiracy is evidence of the conspiracy….

Some have openly said it’s because they fear riots/mobs/MSM. And it’s no wonder. Others are corrupt or blackmailed by the corrupt. The reality is that you can’t legitimately just choose to ignore the actual evidence. Let’s bring up one at a time (as you’ll just ignore it all if I dump it on you all at once). Like >100% turnout in many places, how do you explain that? Please explain!

And yeah, “You can’t bring up conspiracy theories after watching the left push the fake Russia hoax.” You’re believing the biggest liars in history. Truthful information (i.e. ALL of us independent sources exposing their unbelievable crimes) is STILL not reaching you. How incredibly foolish of you! At this point it’s almost as if they could come and start shooting at your family and you’d still believe their gaslighting.

  • Thu, Jan 14, 2021 - 12:30pm   (Reply to #27)

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

 

I glanced thru the Navarro report.   Essentially this report is the same laundry list of allegations that the President was still claiming on his call to pressure Brad Raffensperger the GA sec of state into overturning the GA elections.

I listened to the hour long call, back in the day, it is quite illuminating in terms of how the president praises, threatens, cajoles and pivots back to his talking points.  Perhaps more importantly, the GA sec of state is quite firm that the allegations related to GA were wrong.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html

The 60ish court cases were the forum for the  allegations to be investigated.  And they were, several all the way to state supreme courts and also at least two to the supreme court.

The 50 States also stand behind and certify their elections as accurate.

You may not like the results, however, there were many chances for Trump to gain traction, and also across many state judicial and election systems.   It is telling that they weren’t able to make headway across any of them.

This lends credibility to the overall narrative that the elections were largely fair, and not corrupt enough to overturn the result, for whatever amount of fraud may have been committed.

The 2020 election was won by Biden by over 7 million votes, and yet the electoral college victory hinged on somewhere around 80K votes in 6 swing states.  Perhaps the real tragedy is that despite a crushing popular vote win, this election was still almost close enough to be stolen thru the Electoral college.

The 2016 election was won by the democrats in excess of 3 million votes and yet lost by 40K votes in 3 swing states.   Yet there were no widespread ongoing campaigns to undermine our democracy and ‘stop the steal’.   The 500K women in pussy hats didnt storm the capitol or kill anyone.

I do feel sorry for Trump, and my fellow 400K dead citizens.  If he had taken C19 seriously, he would have been re-elected almost assuredly, and had he won, the left would have accepted the results of the election, and we would be in process of surviving another four years of President Trump.

 

  • Thu, Jan 14, 2021 - 12:48pm   (Reply to #28)

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    Where is the Outrage on the Left?

TBP,

You will have to point me to the 100% turn out allegation.  That one wasnt even in the Navarro Report from what I saw.

Given that 95% of the country voted on systems with a physical paper trail, the allegation is probably easy to refute, however, I will wait for the allegation of when and where this occurred, and then see what investigation took place.

The russia gate allegations (whether true or not), are irrelevant to this discussion of the election fraud. So ill just stay on topic.

  • Thu, Jan 14, 2021 - 09:20pm

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What an interesting forum, it looks like normal rational people posting here! Immediately had to sign up.

I have wondered the same. I am not a US citizen, but following the politics closer than my home country. Actually, I was wondering where is the outrage from EVERYBODY. The censorship and propaganda going on at the moment is literally like an extract from george orwell’s 1984. Trump being a poor stand-in for Emmanuel Goldstein and the two minutes of hate in the media with shows like The Daily Show. Now Big Tech has apparently gotten the go-ahead to censor voices and the social justice warriors on Twitter is the Thought Police, getting people fired for saying something that doesn’t align with their beliefs.

I would identify as liberal/democrat. I used to watch shows like Bill Maher and other political satire (all left/liberal/democrat) and would laugh at the jokes about the silly republicans living in their bubble shielding them from the truth.

I would still consider myself left/liberal but it seems that doesn’t mean the same thing I used to think it did. Freedom of speech being the biggest thing.

My opinion on this topic is probably mostly in line with what has already been said:

1. The people really in power love the fight between Dem and Rep, keeps people distracted.

2. The biggest problem in my mind is the media. First off, it seems the media is overwhelmingly left (in most countries) or at least cater/pander to the left. But it seems journalism in the west these days is purely a propaganda machine, pushing a narrative. Articles from all major outlets are identical  – as if it came from a third party that pushes these articles to all the mainstream media outlets.

3. Before I’ve always had a good level of mistrust of the media, but with the pandemic and HCL/Ivermectin I have completely lost faith in media/goverments/government institutions. So the comment saying that Ivermectin might be the catalyst – for me it was and is a huge thing. I cannot believe every day that is passing with people dying needlessly. In my country of birth (South Africa) it is even worse – there they have outlawed ivermectin. People can literally only get animal grade there, and then they tell people how dangerous it is to use animal grade.

4. I don’t think this (Ivermectin etc) will be enough though. The control of the media, social media especially, (and it seems scientific institutions) is just too great and they can control the rhetoric too easily. Unless huge lawsuits with a lot of media coverage and fanfare brings the crimes committed against humanity to light in a very public manner, they will just say that “we followed the science – there wasn’t sufficient good quality evidence. Once the evidence came it, we change our recommendation (which they will delay for as long as possible and eventually they will be forced to do). They will “enrolar” as they like to say in Brasil (delay/buy time) until enough people have been vaccinated, then they will accept the science on Ivermectin, but they will say that it is inconsequential, because we have these great vaccines that will completely wipe out the disease. And if you don’t vaccinate, you are a morally reprehensible “anti-vaxxer” that probably also believe the earth is flat.

I would still classify myself as left/liberal. I still don’t like Trump, I think he is an immoral opportunistic ego-maniac that wanted to become president only for his personal ego and gain. But I also believe the media coverage of his presidency was extremely biased and untruthful. I support a lot of the same things (not all) that the typical Trump supporter believes. Specifically the distrust in the media (which the media has now proven beyond a shadow of a doubt). The “swamp” – I still don’t understand how Lobbying is any different from bribing? What is lobbying anyway? Why does other countries call it bribery and corruption, but the US calls it lobbying? I really don’t know the details and rules around lobbying, so I might be totally off and it could be a perfectly good system, but it seems like if you have enough money to spend you can get your way.

I also believe that this election probably didn’t have any more fraud than previous elections, but that the election system in general is not very secure. The fact that polls even from conservative polling aligned a lot with the outcome is one reason I believe that there wasn’t a concerted effort to steal the election (although, I now doubt whether one can trust any of these polls, since if they can blatantly lie about something that can save thousands of lives, why would they not lie about anything else).

The real fraud has been the media.

And they have used Trump and the Pandemic very effectively to justify their censorship.

“How can you justify ‘giving a platform’ to somebody so ‘dangerous’ and ‘hateful’ like Trump”.

“How can you allow the quacks (look up the FLCCC doctor’s credentials) to sell their snake oil (look up ivermectin research)”.

The Capitol riot was unfortunate, but it seems to have been blown out of proportion. I didn’t really follow it, but even the footage and reporting from the MSM is not that outrageous. It seems like there was more of a failure from the police than an insurgence. Once people entered the capitol, they dont seem to do much of anything. But the media makes it sound like politicians were being hunted down.

Anyway, sorry for this huge rant, but it feels like the world is rapidly slipping into an authoritarian nightmare.

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